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ramana wrote:
Retired Air Marshal M. Matheswaran, a former deputy chief of the Integrated Defence Staff, said the LCA was obsolete.

"It is a very short-range aircraft which has no relevance in today's war fighting scenarios. If you are trying to justify this as a replacement for follow-on Rafales, you are comparing apples with oranges."

He said the plane was at best a technology demonstrator on which Indian engineers could build the next series of aircraft, not something the air force could win a war with.
He is plain dead wrong. LCA is a replacement to Mig-21 genre of aircraft which are also short legged.
No one is saying LCA is a Rafale replacement.

He is misusing his position as an aerospace expert to spin nonsense.
And some folks were wondering about why I was pointing to this gentleman's salutary (non) contributions to the LCA program.
He reflects a point of view which cannot see anything positive in indigenous development. His prior quotes were similarly contemptuous quips attributed to foreign vendors and what not. In service, he was asked to do an audit of the program. His later statements implied he did his level best to stop the program as it stood and recast it in a manner which would have delayed it further and made it completely irrelevant. I for one am glad he is no longer in decision making circles and is out. Can you imagine him as the HAL head, if he were appointed as was attempted? The LCA would have been a goner.
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Gyan wrote:So many co-ordinated articles could not have appeared without unofficial off the record briefing. I wonder if it had the blessing of Air Chief as his body language was not enthusiastic when he talked of 6 sq of LCA and he referred to 6 sq of MMRCA as loved relative who may not survive.
Note though that most articles DONT quote IAF folks apart from a few chaps like Matheswaran who have an obvious conflict of interest-proMMRCA and antiLCA. I quoted a series of articles quoting 1-2 liners from IAF guys. They were positive.

Then a deluge of antiLCA articles appears. Most are from papers who are anti-BJP and pro-Congress. Reuters, NYT, BBC and Economist etc also loath any nationalist GOI run by "hindu nationalists". They will pick up their cues from local reportage as long as it is negative.

To his credit, Shukla despite being an INC insider through and through, did not play politics with this decision since he is pro indigenization and pro Tejas. His colleagues/peers though don't share even that. They are out and out political hacks and hence this deluge of articles to run down the BJPs superb decision for Make in India positivity. Instead before BJP could take credit for this decision - the negativity has been brought in quickly, to draw it down.

This is after all the MSM strategy. Run down anything Modi and the BJP do.
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ACM Naik was another strong votary of MMRCA deal.
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We are discussing today on what-could-have-been scenarios. What-if LCA mark 0 version had been ordered scenario.
This is hindsight of a successful mark-1. and plans/work for mark 1A and mark2 already started.

but if mark0 had gone to IAF service prematurely, there would have been enough opponents to kill the entire project.
there would have been no shortage of rtd AMs claiming that it is a 1-legged cheetah.
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Guys go easy on reporting posts.
Everyone has known opinions and if those are re-quoted to bring out the POV its not new stuff.

IAF has mixed emotions and that is shown by the comments from retired folks.
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I like Air Marshall Matheswaran. He talks bluntly and does not like the LCA mostly because the delivery and performance promises given to him (IAF) by DRDO/ADA were hollow. I liked him saying something like "DRDO folks should stop celebrating Foundation Day etc with lectures and sit down & do some work". He should be made the DRDO chief.
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Products are built by providing support and enhancing user experience. We have a business to support LCA, at least in this dhaaga. No?

Smashing a product as something as 'obsolete' and making a big political move will not carry anyone for that matter any higher than what one has already achieved. IMHO, he made a wrong move there. I like him too, on the analysis part and on the constructive criticisms.

LCA can't be born obsolete when it was created for the very purpose of replacing an obsolete aircraft. This is seriously wrong statement. We need a big introspection and clarification from him on this. He is much respected by many, so it matters.

We don't want million pakis yelling the same!
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ramana wrote:Guys go easy on reporting posts.
Everyone has known opinions and if those are re-quoted to bring out the POV its not new stuff.

IAF has mixed emotions and that is shown by the comments from retired folks.
Its not about the person making the post at all, but about giving more ammo to the media to do FUD. right now aim should be to just get the a/c into service and with minimum fuss.
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GunterH wrote:I like Air Marshall Matheswaran. He talks bluntly and does not like the LCA mostly because the delivery and performance promises given to him (IAF) by DRDO/ADA were hollow. I liked him saying something like "DRDO folks should stop celebrating Foundation Day etc with lectures and sit down & do some work". He should be made the DRDO chief.
Yes indeed, he was upset each time the LCA was given any publicity and praise and later on we even got to know why. When the plane lands its biggest order he promptly takes to media to run it down and attempt to second guess the Govt of the day. If he was made the DRDO chief, he would have shown incredible sagacity, like shutting down all the programs and starting an import chain which would have made proper sense and what not, claiming in turn Indian R&D should start, new programs that would have come good in the year 2040+. Meanwhile India should have merely imported billion dollah equivalents which would look good on all the Republic Days, as there would have been no budget to actually buy spares for any of the darn planes.
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First the massive order for the LCA Series
then the deluge of article dismissive of the LCA.

I was saddened indeed.
and then I saw the light...

almost all of the articles had one message and a few had even written it.

The Government of India is trying to remove us from being one of the world's leading arms importers.
The withdrawal symptoms have kicked in as we find out the supply of the good stuff is limited.

and this maybe the super uber secret import lobby hiding in the bathrooms of Air Force HQ or the general batch of retired folks who do not have trust in technological capability of the Indian Research and Manufacturing.

I see withdrawal symptoms everywhere.

So lets congratulate ourselves as we find ourselves, the subjects of a government that went the furthest to take us off this path and onto the path of self reliance in the Defence and give thanks that we find ourselves fortunate enough to see many of these decisions being actioned.

2015 and 2016 will be written as the golden chapters of Indian Aerospace Industry.

Please note: I have not mentioned the influence of foreign arms makers as we are solely to blame, as we are responsible for translating their pressure and applying to general public.

Gentelmen of Bharat-Rakshak .... tonight India won again.
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+1 Khalsa ji.. another big night soon to come when Modiji and Putin sahib exchange words
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pragnya wrote:ramana,

it was planned as a mig 21 replacement but has far outgrown that testified by the TPs themselves as equivqlent to M2K upgraded!!

as for Sir Matheswaran, he is not wrong 'but' deliberate.

as Dileep put it nicely somewhere - those who fly it swear by it, those who never flew diss her.
The incredible part is how these chaps misuse their position to make all sorts of claims which nobody from ADA or even the IAF itself can counter openly since it would reveal classified info in some cases. For instance take a look at his claims about supersonic performance and this and that. We know for a fact that the LCA is far superior to the MiG-21 in the area given the NFTC pilots statements. We know the MiG-21 is still regarded as a rocket by many of the pilots who have used it creditably against supposedly superior platforms. We know in terms of turn rates etc, the IAF can't reveal specifics and nor can ADA but we do know in turn, unlike as was originally envisaged at the time of ASR, the LCA has a HMS with HOBS missiles which coupled with high ITR make it lethal in the close range fight as versus relying on STR w/limited aspect earlier gen missiles. We know for all his claims about LCA not having AESA and hence being merely a TD, no fighter in the IAF today has AESA including the upgrades which IAF signed off on, and IAF pilots have stated the aircraft is equivalent to an upgraded Mirage 2000. But how many people have the interest or inclination to string this together? Instead we have this man attempting to run down a prominent national program right at the cusp of success.

Basically its this, all folks have their own bias but some of these gents have let their planet sized egos affect national programs to their detriment and more and more, we are getting to know the manner in which their "interventions" were motivated by their bias as versus unbiased judgement. Here we have an AF which is struggling with 3Gen aircraft barely upgraded to 4Gen standards in most cases, with performance way behind that of the LCA. Yet, this man is busy spreading the impression that this is Ok, whilst the LCA can only be a technological demonstrator etc.

Presumably the NFTC and the ADA etc were twiddling their thumbs for the past decade and all those test flights were for time pass. Of course, despite knowing the situation, he deliberately chose this time to shoot his mouth off, because the "MMRCA" his singular achievement, is under threat. He didn't contribute to the LCA much, but the MMRCA program is his, and if one threatens the other, down with it. Such was the state of affairs and was allowed to fester by a toothless MOD. No wonder then that despite TPs slaving over the aircraft, and IAF orgs themselves doing their most, AHQ itself would remain non committal about the future of fhe program.

Thank goodness we now have a more effective leadership that finally broke through this sordid mess. In turn as the aircraft proves itself, AHQ will do more with it. And in turn I hope HAL stays far far away from this gentleman. The need of the hour is to convert the LCA into a war winning tool with all of HALs resources devoted to this task. With his sort of "focus", he will clearly do all he can in the opposite direction as an advisor with every aircraft but the LCA getting attention. We have been down the path already with IJT and HTT sort of lunacy and it need not be repeated.
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Yagnasri wrote:Alas we may soon lose the tag of largest defense importer of the world tag.
That is exactly what is galling those press persona who are in cahoots with foreign MICs. Commish will dry up too, you know.
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^^goes to good posts on a straight home run
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1. AM Matheswaran does not believe in a small sized fighters, especially the LCA. His snide remarks on the LCA, and its developers are way below him in my humble opinion. I think he goes out of his way to sully the latter.
2. He believes that IAF should have many medium sized fighters, which are probably the optimum size to operate. I kind of agree with him on that, but not when they come at 200-300 million a piece. It could literally be gold-plated at that price range.
3. He does not have faith in DRDO/HAL. He should not be singled out on that. There are many like him, probably not as vocal.
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indranilroy wrote:1. AM Matheswaran does not believe in a small sized fighters, especially the LCA. His snide remarks on the LCA, and its developers are way below him in my humble opinion. I think he goes out of his way to sully the latter.
The more he speaks, the more we get to know of the reality of the "opposition to the LCA" which many people used to quote as some sort of "it has to meet IAF standards onlee".. not knowing it was no longer about standards wagehra but plain and simple bias.
2. He believes that IAF should have many medium sized fighters, which are probably the optimum size to operate. I kind of agree with him on that, but not when they come at 200-300 million a piece. It could literally be gold-plated at that price range.
IAF has many medium sized fighters today, few of which have the capabilities envisaged for the LCA, which is what makes it truly ironic.
3. He does not have faith in DRDO/HAL. He should not be singled out on that. There are many like him, probably not as vocal.
Yet he has faith in furren suppliers who have done 10x of what DRDO/HAL have done in several cases.. as I said before unlike the good AM, I won't dig up stuff which shows the level of rot of some of the stuff we have acquired (our AM of course feels that running down a prime piece of to be inducted eqpt is all good and does not devalue our deterrence) but if I were to detail it, from open sources alone, it would show the level of incompetence and brazen fakery our furren suppliers have engaged in, and the IAF has merely taken it on the chin. The Rafale is now our new hero which will save our SDRE skin. Meanwhile its availability in French AF per reports isn't that great either. In recent news, France even shut down its local bomb manufacturer since it was too expensive.Good going. Wonder how much they'll charge for the MLU. Probably an Indian state.
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indranilroy wrote:1. AM Matheswaran does not believe in a small sized fighters, especially the LCA. His snide remarks on the LCA, and its developers are way below him in my humble opinion. I think he goes out of his way to sully the latter.
This highlights a problem in the methodology in selecting the top leadership of IAF.

How did they let a person with such a huge bias and ego issues lead the air force ?! :shock:
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one doesn't always rise to the top without having a huge ego - goes with the territory. am sure there are others in AF who silently supported the LCA and got it along. they unlike matheswaran are not vocal or as aggressive in giving media soundbytes. which doesnt mean they dont exist. the presence and continued support of NFTC means they do.

the problem is the lack of institutionalization for support for localization within the IAF that leads to one man's opinion having a disproportionate effect. some programs do well, others can be waylaid.
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Karan M wrote:
GunterH wrote:I like Air Marshall Matheswaran. He talks bluntly and does not like the LCA mostly because the delivery and performance promises given to him (IAF) by DRDO/ADA were hollow. I liked him saying something like "DRDO folks should stop celebrating Foundation Day etc with lectures and sit down & do some work". He should be made the DRDO chief.
Yes indeed, he was upset each time the LCA was given any publicity and praise and later on we even got to know why. When the plane lands its biggest order he promptly takes to media to run it down and attempt to second guess the Govt of the day. If he was made the DRDO chief, he would have shown incredible sagacity, like shutting down all the programs and starting an import chain which would have made proper sense and what not, claiming in turn Indian R&D should start, new programs that would have come good in the year 2040+. Meanwhile India should have merely imported billion dollah equivalents which would look good on all the Republic Days, as there would have been no budget to actually buy spares for any of the darn planes.
Fundamental question is what qualification does AM Matheswaran has to be proposed as a head of a R&D or production institution? Very different than running AirForce. As his biased statements show, he doesn't get it.

Besides if you look at ADA, they are promoting services guys, like Cmde Balaji (retd) to director, who have been working with them. Earned on merits.
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I think the articles meant he compared it with Rafale, w.r.t "short range" and not "short sized".
Retired Air Marshal M. Matheswaran, a former deputy chief of the Integrated Defence Staff, said the LCA was obsolete.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 254055.cms?
"It is a very short-range aircraft which has no relevance in today's war fighting scenarios. If you are trying to justify this as a replacement for follow-on Rafales, you are comparing apples with oranges."
He knows it is not a replacement for Rafales, but Mig21. He is annoyed at more Rafales being shot down is vivid in this statement.
He said the plane was at best a technology demonstrator on which Indian engineers could build the next series of aircraft, not something the air force could win a war with.
so, all these weapons integration trials were just for technology demonstration without any user requirements for war fighting?

Rahaji wants 6 squadrons of MMRCA bumped up to against what we ordered. Also note there would be 4 squads of pak-fa/similar to Rafale deal by cancellation of joint venture (imho, thinking like Modiji would do/ Thanks for this math exposure to public. ;) )

We will see AMCA gaining more dominance now. Mk2 becoming AMCA. Thanks for the constructive criticisms.

Dassault: declines to comment and goes chup chaap!
Gripen: chillaoing to secure huge gaps in MMRCA requirement - @NDTV Vishnu must be happier person now.

BTW, the ToI news linked is from Reuters rather TNN! please pay keen attention.

Another constructive criticism to note is "53 shortfalls" from CAG report in May 2015, heavy weight, fuel capacity, speed and safety. They never mentioned which version of the LCA this must be addressed. They never complained on MMRCA/medium role match up. CAG never questioned about requirements.

IOW, Mr Math is questioning ASR rather LCA... while giving a big push for the expensive Rafale.
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Most targets IAF would have to strike on the Western front are a scant 2-300 kms away from our forwards airbases. Why does a little fighter need to have such long legs?
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sudeepj wrote:Most targets IAF would have to strike on the Western front are a scant 2-300 kms away from our forwards airbases. Why does a little fighter need to have such long legs?
Not just that. LCA can take on almost anything Pakis have and likely to have in near future barring some advanced version of F 16s and even those I think can be met with reasonable chance. ( my mango estimate) China also have a large section of aircrafts which are not so advanced and they are inducted fairly recently and will continue to be used for decades to come. So LCA in most of the aspects seems to be ok for the role it was made which is a bread and butter AC to replace mig21s etc
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There are two names to look out for in Reuters India - Sanjeev Miglani and Tom Wilkes. Any information about whom they speak to or meet in the MoD and IAF would be useful. Tom Wilkes in fact may be the point man. These are the names associated with the import lobby news item
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/10/0 ... D720151007
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This is what 350km combat radius reach looks like.

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A simple answer to 'why are obsolete aircraft being forced on the IAF' is:

'Because we cannot afford to buy super-duper modern aircraft' :)
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Folks,
While we are discussing this article by Sanjeev Miglani dissing the LCA, it looks like a classic hit job by the #Presstitutes - Look at Sanjeev Miglani's other articles on Reuters:

India plans new townships to resettle Hindus in Muslim-majority Kashmir
Indian opposition politicians criticize conversion of Muslims
Man and myth collide as Indian Hindu nationalist Modi eyes final ascent to power

Check his twitter link for the worthie's tweets. Also check his FB profile: the worthie's daughter just passed out of the American School. A classic MUTU if there was!
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saumitra_j wrote:Folks,

A classic hot job by the #Presstitutes - Look at Sanjeev Miglani's other articles on Reuters:

India plans new townships to resettle Hindus in Muslim-majority Kashmir
Indian opposition politicians criticize conversion of Muslims
Man and myth collide as Indian Hindu nationalist Modi eyes final ascent to power

Check his twitter link for the worthie's tweets. Also check his FB profile: the worthie's daughter just passed out of the American School. A classic MUTU if there was!

Why & how is this relevant to LCA ? This should be in DDM thread or under general discussion thread.
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SohamM - We are discussing this article dissing the LCA by the worthy Sanjeev Miglani- I have edited my post to provide the context.
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sohamn wrote:
saumitra_j wrote:Folks,

A classic hot job by the #Presstitutes - Look at Sanjeev Miglani's other articles on Reuters:

India plans new townships to resettle Hindus in Muslim-majority Kashmir
Indian opposition politicians criticize conversion of Muslims
Man and myth collide as Indian Hindu nationalist Modi eyes final ascent to power

Check his twitter link for the worthie's tweets. Also check his FB profile: the worthie's daughter just passed out of the American School. A classic MUTU if there was!

Why & how is this relevant to LCA ? This should be in DDM thread or under general discussion thread.
It is relevant because it shows the agenda of the author who is happily bashing the LCA - this miglani fellow; good to know his leanings as such, not that this is some political rally point but it helps to know which way a journo's tendencies lie....allows one to put things in perspective.
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Cain Marko wrote:
It is relevant because it shows the agenda of the author who is happily bashing the LCA - this miglani fellow; good to know his leanings as such, not that this is some political rally point but it helps to know which way a journo's tendencies lie....allows one to put things in perspective.
Miglani and his reuters colleague only publish what they are paid for - more important is to see who their contacts are and who is feeding them with this information. It may be a serving or retired government official. In general they never name their sources and typically say "Senior officials in the government who are familiar with the process.."

Those "senior officials" need to be identified. It may not be impossible. There may well be people among us who attend the same parties and meet a similar group of people...
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Doval ought to start a very serious investigation under PMO oversight and crush these serpents once and for all. hang them high and let it be an example to future smear campaigns.
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reuters has been around for a very long time - I remember news items in the papers when I was a boy that said "reuters" which I used to read as "rewters". A news agency cannot survive on news. No one is interested in news. They publish what they get paid for and they in turn pay people to get information that can help them get paid more. For example all foreign arms makers will pay reuters to dig up and publish dirt about Indian programs. That money will be passed on as favours to Indian officials.

If DRDO pay reuters they will publish exactly the opposite
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idrw says
Tejas MK1-A to get EW Suite in a Pod _?_
Previous Gen Tusker EW POD developed by DRDO for Mig-27

Chief of Indian Air Force (IAF), Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha while addressing a press conference ahead on 82nd Air Force Day celebration had informed that MK1-A a new variant based on MK-1 Airframe will have 4 Key new requirements like New Radar (AESA), EW Suite, In-Flight Refueling (IFR) probes and New Beyond-visual-range missile air-to-air missile (BVRAAM).

According to a report prepared by prominent journalist Ajay Shukla advanced electronic warfare suite with inbuilt jammer might come only in a detachable Pod which is attachable to the under-wing of Tejas aircraft.

idrw.org contacted its sources and tried to verify and was informed that Tejas-PV1 light combat aircraft is only aircraft currently been integrated with electronic warfare suite with inbuilt jammer, PV1 was pulled out of its semi-retirement only to be used as a Testbed aircraft for testing EW Suite meant for MK-2 aircrafts.

To accommodate EW Package in PV-1 aircraft other equipment had to be removed and it was the only way possible to accommodate an EW Suite on-board. MK-2 aircrafts will have EW Suite on-board while EW Suite in MK-1A will be carried by a detachable Pod.</

EW suite which MK-1A will get is also equipped with Jammer. It gives the pilot an additional capability of nullifying the effect of detected Radar threat by appropriate mode of jamming. Existing EW systems fitted on various combat aircrafts are basic EW equipment known as Radar Warner Receiver to provide a warning to the aircraft pilot in case of detection of a Radar threat.
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yawn!!! this is an old piece of news

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An advanced electronic warfare (EW) suite developed by the DRDO was successfully tested onboard the country’s Light Combat Aircraft Tejas-PV1 at the weekend.

“After obtaining due flight clearances and certification, the first flight sortie of LCA PV1 with the EW equipment operational took place today. The equipment was noted to be detecting radar signals operating in and around the flight path,” a Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO) release said here.

In addition to the Radar warner, the EW suite, tested in Bengaluru, was also equipped with a jammer, which gives to the pilot an additional capability to nullify the effect of detected radar threat by an appropriate mode of jamming. Existing EW systems fitted on various combat aircraft were basic equipment — Radar Warner Receiver to provide warning to the aircraft pilot in case of detection of a radar threat.

The advanced EW suite was developed by the Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE), a DRDO laboratory specialising in avionics and electronic warfare systems for combat aircraft, the release added.
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Mathesawaran ji has just proven himself to be irrelevant. No one will believe his BS. The LCA is not going away any time soon.

Wait and watch - all the motivated armed forces personnel will be sounding off one by one - withdrawal symptom is to put it mildly. We should make a list of all that fall out of the woodwork. These would have been the people that have stood in the path of domestic products in the past.

Iterative development will take care of all issues.
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dragon wrote:Hi Guys,

I have been long time reader (anonymous reader of the blog) and am a aerospace enthusiast.Well there is lot of speculation the NAVY LCA MK1 (NP2) has shown really good results related to the STR/ITR performance and some one is speculating that it this version (with reduced drag and some new internal avionics that would become LCA MK1a .What do you guys think .is it possible that IAF will order the LCA NP2 ?


Aslo regarding the new order ,correct me if i am wrong ,isn't the GE 404 line closed ? where is the engine ..last time i checked kaveri was scrapped and can't be used.I believe we should have tested it in the current form in LCA TD1 and probably upgraded it once the DMRL is able produce the production grade SCBs.
Well Come,

In its first flight from INS Hansa, NP1 displayed almost double climb rate than what was anticipated. Aerodynamic improvements in MK1 are planned so as weight reduction of 800 KG. A possibility should be studied to check that if all features of NP (May be Lavcon addition) and proposed aerodynamic changes and weight reduction may result into how much improvement in performance. Scientists say that with weight reduction and aerodynamic improvements, MK1+ Shall come very close to IAF requirement.
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Is NP1 also got 404 engine? I thought navy wants 414.
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There was a case long back called the Nambi Narayanan case in which a scientist who was working on the indigenous cryogenic engine was arrested after accusing him of being a spy. Later it turned out to be a CIA operation to delay India's progress in the cryogenic engine technology. They succeed. These kind of articles that comes from the U.S could be seen as such an attempt to delay India's progress in the Aero sector. Not an isolated attack. Currently propaganda against the current government, scientific community, society and military is in full swing.

Bihar elections are also around the corner. They are attempting something similar to Delhi to control power in India through their agents/sympathizers.
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Yagnasri wrote:Is NP1 also got 404 engine? I thought navy wants 414.
F414 INS6 will be produced 2016 onwards. So currently we have F404 IN20 only. Not unusual to have different engine than the intended one for a prototype.

http://idrw.org/ges-f414-ins6-engine-fo ... -ge-india/
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any change in engine or thrust would send the design team rehashing every aspect of the airframe, to produce a near optimal fighter jet. the digital controls might change sometimes depending on the engine upgrade.
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