Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 10 May 2014 19:24

Loyalty or not isn't the question. Once the dispensation changes, it is imperative old guards have to go. It will provide a clean slate for the next administration. He could be god's gift to humanity, but there never is just one and only one god's gift to humanity.
If it is so, then it is poor reflection on the country to not even have many people of same or better skill set to accomplish the task. Please to stay away from Sally's cat syndrome.

Especially more so, when he is not opposed to getting fired as articulated by himself. Such articulation in corporate environments are recipe for swift removal.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 10 May 2014 19:43

Is he in sync with BJP economic policies and ideas? If not he need not be there. I have no doubt about his intelligence or ethics or capacity to deal with monetary policy. Do we not have a person who could be RBI Gov and be in sync with changing Govt. Talking of independence , even in context of his relation with recounting minister, at this juncture, is like telling that he would not abide by new Govt's economic policies and that he would charter his own course.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 10 May 2014 19:47

JE Menon wrote:RRajan hasn't done a bad job with what he had in hand... why this random accusations of him being a puppet or whatever...

This knee jerk reaction of calling people puppets of some group or the other just because he says or does something one may not agree with is not on...

I have said this even before. This is not in relation to what Rajan has said.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 10 May 2014 20:04

What Rajan said abroad is what people who have an interest in investing in India want to hear. IOW, he is saying we are not a banana republic that changes monetary policy with every change in govt and that continuity is hardwired into India's central bank policies regardless of govt. This is the norm in all developed countries and in many successful developing ones too. That said, he is certainly not indispensable and there are many other Indians who would be at least as qualified as him.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 May 2014 20:07

He did one good thing last week. All pre payment penalty on any loan are gone now.
doesn't look like a regime loyalist or pc mentee.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 10 May 2014 20:11

Yes, there is nothing on Rajan yet to cast aspersions.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 10 May 2014 20:13

I think RR should stay if his policies are in sync with Modi's. If not, he needs to resign. And from what I see, he seems to be a good fit.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 10 May 2014 20:15

I think Ranjan's statement is fair. He made the statement in Switzerland and is a signal to the world on what's coming next. Business does not like uncertainty. He has his opinions and policy preferences, and if BJP differs from it, they are free to replace him. In fact, if he was a power-hungry person, he would have said just the opposite (or kept quiet like MMS). The onus is on BJP to determine if they agree with his direction or not.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 10 May 2014 20:19

Just watched CNN IBN channel via India 18 channel for the first time in my life. There was this karykaram about youth and Indian Election. No BJP Rep. Kongi and Paapi were praising each other. Today I came to know that RG baba is a great speaker and Khujli is Gandhi in making.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 May 2014 20:20

The way inner gov works is what is denied happens.

RR is on watch list. PC contaminated the issue.

Lets see.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 10 May 2014 20:21

KJoishy wrote:I think RR should stay if his policies are in sync with Modi's. If not, he needs to resign. And from what I see, he seems to be a good fit.

That is the same what I am saying but in another way. However the bolded part is where I disgree. He may be a good fit but then there are many who could be better fit and be in sync with new policies and requirements.

However going by NaMo style of functioning, he would give chance to existing ones to prove themselves and only if failed would be sent to cold storage.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 May 2014 20:22

devesh wrote:seriously, you people need to stop. this euphoria, and messianic worshiping is getting alarming. Narendra Modi is one man. not a God. don't make him one!!

this comparing of him with some idol found in IVC remains is silly. more importantly, we are elevating this man to a stature that need not be done. it only increases the chance of his elimination. and it also paints saffron entirely with whatever he does. that is a dangerous risk.

First, taking your point on the risk of his elimination what you say is valid. A projected leader always stands the risk of being eliminated or his followers taken away. It comes with the territory.

Next, on your point about worshiping.
The Western civilization frowns upon elevating an individual to Messiah (as there can be no challenge to the previous Messiahs) or to "God" (because there is only ONE god up in the sky with a wavy beard and tresses of hair clothed in white flowing fabric).

What is wrong in worshiping, eh? Your use of "God" with a capital "G" points to the familiar singular entity that arose in popularity from the Middle East. Within an Indic setting, worshiping and elevating humans to the level of deities is norm. Rama, Krishna, Mahavira, Buddha ityadi became gods because of their thoughts and actions. Indians worship their mata, pita and guru; and of course their ancestors.

Humans ---> Heroes ---> Extra-ordinary Heroes ---> Deities. is a valid path in India.

Viewing it from another Indic angle, we are ALL gods; however even the devas needed a leader and got one in Devendra (not to be confused with Narendra

) to ensure Asuras remained in check.

Modern and western psychological terms like role-models appeal to us more. Role-models are chosen by societies to teach valuable lessons. Does one want to play cricket like Sachin or Azharuddin/Manoj ? Why is Sachin revered so much in India? For the joy and pride he brings to Indians, no? Aren't MKG and JLN worshiped too? Is Modi a good role-model for future politicians? That is question to be asked and discussed. The Western psychology and way of life is slowly making changes that appears to be more Indic. Discerning observers can easily identify small changes in life - be it at the grocery shop, local gyms, coffee shops, work, health clinics, malls ityadi.

The point becomes in identifying the correct individual for worship, not the the act of worship. Does Narendra possess the necessary qualities for future generations to worship him? Only time will tell. People have put him on the Ivory Pedestal. Modi's thoughts and actions after he becomes the PM will determine if he is toppled or if he will remain in the memories of people for centuries. We still remember our saints and heroes who helped the people of this land thousands of years ago, no?

There is no shame in worshiping the right/worthy person, it is shameful to worship the wrong person. People have made their decision. Like Devendra, will Narendra also be tempted by power and arrogance? Or will he bestow a Ramarajya ? It is in NaMo's hands. If NaMo fails and falls down, people will be dejected/fooled, however in a few years there will arise another human who will capture people's imagination and traverse the same path and go through agnipariksha. Samsara continues.

This is not rationalization, but an observation of our Indic history and practices. This is what we were, will we be like this for ever?

Sanju · Post by **Sanju** » 10 May 2014 20:35

+108
aap ke muh mey ghee shakkar!!!

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 10 May 2014 20:44

One of the biggest challenge dharmic faiths have is their individualistic nature when it comes to matters of faith compared to the congregational structure of Abrahamic faiths. The congregation was a vital source to help define, spread and preserve their agenda.

In some way social media has become the congregation for dharmics. We can now discuss ideas, collaborate on how to implement them and also spread them. Not exactly the classic congregation but still achieving something similar.

Reminds me of the mainframe vs the internet analogy.

Prior to the internet Dharmics were like local clusters but they could not communicate with each others. Thanks to the internet we now have a vast collective pool of Dharmic people.

How should this ecosystem evolve? Does it need some more established super-nodes or is the current model good?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 May 2014 20:56

JE Menon wrote:RRajan hasn't done a bad job with what he had in hand... why this random accusations of him being a puppet or whatever...

This knee jerk reaction of calling people puppets of some group or the other just because he says or does something one may not agree with is not on...

JEM garu,

Based on the info at hand every recruitment of UPA admin since 2004 should be seen with suspision. Everyone in that cabal is guilty until proven otherwise.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 May 2014 21:13

Adding one more point to the aspect of worshiping: Worshiping the right person (guru) elevates the individual and sets the path; worshiping the wrong person makes one servile. {all trademarks to moi onlee}

brat · Post by **brat** » 10 May 2014 22:29

Shonu wrote:
"I determine the monetary policy. I say what it is. The government can fire me, but the government doesn't set the monetary policy. So, in that sense, am I independent! Well, I am happy to talk to the government. I am happy to listen to the government but ultimately the interest rate that is set is set by me," he said at St. Gallen Symposium in Switzerland.

This guy needs to be fired before he creates political storm for the new govt. All stooges of previous regime needs to go to cold storage.

This comment is taken out of context (imho), I did see this interview on BBC where he made this comment & the Qs were related to him and Chidu's working relationship.

which program was the interview on, newsnight?? Is there a link online?

My apologies, was channel surfing when i caught that program, it was interview with RR where the Q was about his relationship with FM and if he is can make monetary policy independently without being influenced by the chidu or others, to which he said, we (he and FM) meet discuss but "I determine the monetary policy. I say what it is. The government can fire me, but the government doesn't set the monetary policy. So, in that sense, am I independent! Well, I am happy to talk to the government. I am happy to listen to the government but ultimately the interest rate that is set is set by me,"

The "fire me" thing (imho) was more to say he would do his job (monetary policy) based on the need of the hour, if the govt does not like it they can fire.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 10 May 2014 23:16

After a long time, I peeked at the Politics Party guy's red-blue colorful website. The dude is claiming Lord Shiva sent Modi, BJP-NDA will reach 333 and Modi will rule for 20 years.

Just curious where does he get his information? Does he have any source, or it is just from thin air. How many of his predictions have turned out even half-right? He says Modi has won all UP and Bihar seats in the 9th phase - the last phase that is yet to happen.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 10 May 2014 23:23

he claimed left would retain WB by a landslide.

when even my pet bird knew TMC was going to decimate it.
so....

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 May 2014 00:10

To start the festivities on May 16th

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 11 May 2014 00:28

I don't see anything wrong with Rajan's work so far. He's working with a very limited arsenal. His statement can be parsed simply into 'I'm not one of these GoI people, I am independent!'. While RBI may face pressure to follow FinMin interest rate diktats, they are still nominally independent. He should be left alone by the next administration, but with FAR better economic policymaking to enable him to do his job. There are lots of regime hanger ons who can and should be replaced. The RBI head is not one of them.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 11 May 2014 01:15

harbans wrote:Huff Post-Mehdi Hussian-Modi: India's Milosevic

This guy is a hardcore Islamist who masquerades as some sort of left wing liberal.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt-0Q

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=mehdi%20 ... attle&sm=1

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-mu ... hdi-hasan/

satya · Post by **satya** » 11 May 2014 02:24

Ranjan will complete his tenure .

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 11 May 2014 02:32

JE Menon wrote:RRajan hasn't done a bad job with what he had in hand... why this random accusations of him being a puppet or whatever...

This knee jerk reaction of calling people puppets of some group or the other just because he says or does something one may not agree with is not on...

Agree. He is brilliant economist and right person for the job. Inflation kills and I agree with his strategy.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 May 2014 03:13

Tweeple are 'daystreaming' about BJP getting only about 180 seats and allies about 20-30. So there is an air of hope that NDA+ will wrap around 220 seats.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 May 2014 03:23

sunnyP wrote:
harbans wrote:Huff Post-Mehdi Hussian-Modi: India's Milosevic

This guy is a hardcore Islamist who masquerades as some sort of left wing liberal.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hpfqFt-0Q

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=mehdi%20 ... attle&sm=1

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-mu ... hdi-hasan/

WOW!

AAP, Sid Varadrajan,CMehdi Hussian are all in bed together. Islamists,Libtards, naxals all unite in every cause to terminate kaffirs each for their own reason

Islamists pose as Liberals and appeal to Liberalism with Libtard scums

When that work is done, Islamists remove their mask

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 11 May 2014 03:34

ashish raval wrote:
Agree. He is brilliant economist and right person for the job. Inflation kills and I agree with his strategy.

True most the time. However, deflation is far worse. Today, Japan gets giddy when inflation rises

Reason? people buy today what they would have postponed till tomorrow because in a deflationary environment it will be cheaper.

Deflation kills economic growth. Even zero inflation is conducive to growth. Some inflation is desirable.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 11 May 2014 03:37

I am glad BJP has learnt to reply congress in their language

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 May 2014 03:47

So why not register a case and investigate?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 May 2014 03:59

Manik Tyagi ‏@maniktyagi 1h
A seat projection, which I find balanced and reasonable pic.twitter.com/0BWn79jsgD

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 11 May 2014 04:21

Now even machines know Kaun Banega Pradhan Mantri!

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 11 May 2014 04:52

Indra D
That clipping is of Sanjeev Bhatt who was hounding Modi and has made tons of cash with his wife contesting on Congress ticket in Assembly election. This pic was out two weeks ago. He is a womanizer and has been stalking a lot of woman using his power including the snoopegate lady. My local chaiwala says the snoopgate is related to this guy. The surveillance was done to trap this guy.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 May 2014 05:08

RajeshA wrote:To start the festivities on May 16th

Modi Victory wil quench the centuries long thirst of Sons of Soil. He is but a man but changes , awarenss, hope he brought are no less than mirculous. He has set certain things in motion which once realized will have Yuga scale impact.
Nadiya Chale Chale Re Dhara - Manna Dey -

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 May 2014 05:43

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/11/world ... .html?_r=0
In Indian Candidate, Hindu Right Sees a Reawakening

VARANASI, India — Shortly after dawn in the village square here each day, two dozen boys and men dress up in crisply laundered khaki shorts and fall into military-style formation behind a saffron-colored flag, brandishing bamboo sticks as if they were rifles.They spend the next hour performing highly structured drills that interweave physical training with religious indoctrination, ending with 108 repetitions of the chant “Ram Ram,” which refers to a Hindu deity, and a song whose refrain is, “The nation should awaken.” This is a local branch of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, an ideological organization whose fortunes have ebbed and flowed for decades with the influence of Hindu nationalists in New Delhi. With India’s national election campaign in its final stages, the R.S.S. has thrown its weight behind Narendra Modi, who has been active in the group since childhood and is now the front-runner for prime minister, India’s highest office. The group’s leaders describe the current voter-turnout drive as the biggest mobilization since 1977, when R.S.S. workers went door to door encouraging people to vote against Indira Gandhi, sometimes going so far as to wheel them to the polls on manual tricycles.
Narendra Modi at a rally last month in Sidhauli. India’s nine-phase election, which began April 7, will end on Monday. Credit Daniel Berehulak for The New York Times These activists count Mr. Modi as one of their own and see in him a chance to move long-cherished goals to the top of the national agenda. For years, they have sought a rollback of laws and programs tailored to India’s Muslims, the opening of Kashmiri property to buyers from other parts of India, and the redrafting of public school textbooks, among other goals.As a candidate, Mr. Modi has made economic growth and development his central theme, building a vast electoral base that includes moderates and minority groups. He has pushed traditional Hindu-right projects to the margins of his campaign, and canvassers from the R.S.S. and its affiliates have avoided controversial subjects, limiting themselves mainly to exhortations to vote.But in interviews, many expressed certainty that, with the election over, Mr. Modi would take action on a religious and cultural agenda.“We can all see it now, that it is happening — that the awakening is happening,” said Praveen Rai, 38, who leads the morning drills here in Varanasi, one of India’s spiritual capitals. “Political churning is not very important for us,” he added. “What we believe is that we are the most advanced race in the entire world. We will convert the whole world into the Aryan race: So we have decided. We believe that Indian culture has been the best civilization in the world.”Mr. Modi has practical reasons to distance himself from the Hindu right wing. His campaign, which has won the support of large corporations, has focused on a pledge to attract investment and manufacturing, a goal that demands domestic stability and collides with the R.S.S.’s protectionist tradition. He is known as an independent decision-maker who, in 12 years as leader of the state of Gujarat, regularly resisted attempts by R.S.S. leaders to influence him, journalists who covered his tenure say.Asked last month about the R.S.S.’s muscular assistance, Arun Jaitley, a top official in Mr. Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party, dismissed the notion that the group would have a place in a postelection government.
Continue reading the main story “People who do have a lot of ideological affinity to us have been extremely active and helpful in this campaign, not so much as organizations but as individuals,” Mr. Jaitley said. “As far as governance is concerned, we have been in power as a political party, and I can assure you we take our own decisions.”Ambiguity has long surrounded the R.S.S. It was founded in 1925 by Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, an independence campaigner who had split from the Indian National Congress party over what he considered “undue pampering of the Muslims,” according to “R.S.S.: A Vision in Action,” published by the group in 1988. Its central ritual and recruiting tool is the morning drill, known as the daily shakha, which was designed to “create an all-Bharat national consciousness.”The Indian government banned the R.S.S. for 17 months in 1948 after a man associated with the group assassinated Mohandas Gandhi, and for brief periods in the 1970s and 1990s. Its opponents say it fuels religious conflict. For many years, the group has maintained that it has no involvement in Indian politics, saying its mission is focused on character-building. But many of its members have gone on to become candidates for the Bharatiya Janata Party, whose spokeswoman recently referred to the R.S.S. as the party’s “ideological fountainhead.”
“The B.J.P. and the R.S.S. are married to each other,” said Dilip Deodhar, an analyst whose family has been active in the R.S.S. for generations. “The power is there, but it is like that of a mother over her children. The mother does not use it for anything but the child’s welfare. There is no abusing it.”
The current campaign has thrust the group into an unusually public role. In October, the R.S.S.’s leader, Mohan Bhagwat, ordered the group and its affiliates to press for 100 percent voter turnout, according to Ram Madhav, a spokesman for the organization. Last week in Varanasi, an intense electoral battleground, some 5,000 R.S.S. volunteers were circulating — nearly as many as the 6,000 sent out by the B.J.P., according to Ashok Pandey, a B.J.P. spokesman.Pramod Kumar — an R.S.S. propagandist, based in Varanasi — praised Mr. Bhagwat’s order.“It was a very good feeling — that we were going backwards; the country’s religion, integrity and culture was on the back foot; and that we are going to set it straight,” he said. “Ever since I was born, I have been waiting for good things to happen in this country. Most definitely, that moment is here.”
Asked what changes he hoped to see after the election, Mr. Kumar reeled off a laundry list. He began by saying that Wendy Doniger’s book “The Hindus: An Alternative History,” recently withdrawn from publication in India, “should not be out in the Western press.” He called for an overhaul of government textbooks, which he said included insulting language about Hindu gods and excessive praise of the Muslim emperor Akbar. He also said he expected the reconstruction of the Ram temple in Ayodhya, on a spot where a 16th-century mosque once stood.“It’s deep inside of our hearts, the Ram temple, and it’s on — 75 percent of the work is done,” Mr. Kumar said, adding that he did not mind the B.J.P.’s decision to soft-pedal the issue in its election manifesto. “I can just fold my hands and quietly say the temple must be built, or someone can make a big hue and cry about it. It makes no difference. The temple must be built. It’s normal. It will happen after the election.”Others, however, were irritated. “It is with a lot of slyness that the B.J.P. has included this only on the last page,” said Praveen Kumar Chaubey, 24, avolunteer with Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad, a student group affiliated with the R.S.S. “I feel it has been pushed down because they don’t want to hurt the sentiments of certain groups. Our sentiment is that it should be a magnificent reconstruction of the temple, and we are there.”
In the meantime, the R.S.S. has provided many of the same electoral advantages for the B.J.P. as megachurches in the American heartland do for candidates: a highly disciplined and structured canvassing force, and village-level networks of contacts.Ashwani, 29, an R.S.S. propagandist, was going door to door in the village of Baburi on Monday. When one of his subordinates mentioned a divisive subject — the lifting of Article 370 of the Indian Constitution, which grants Kashmir a degree of autonomy — Ashwani chided him.“Our biggest theme is the politics of development,” he said. “I’ll give you an example. If the road is built properly, a Muslim will walk on it, a Sikh will walk on it and a Hindu will walk on it. If electricity is flowing, a Muslim can use it, a Sikh can use it and a Hindu can use it.”Modi fever seemed to have taken hold in the village. In the narrow street, where storefronts offered piles of iced pomegranates and fired earthen pots, a stereo blared a delirious pop tune whose lyrics were “Har har Modi,” a slogan that echoes Hindu prayer. “This is Modi’s tea — you must have it,” one shopkeeper said exuberantly, thrusting a clay into a visitor’s hand.A Muslim shopkeeper across the street watched, stone-faced. When asked about Mr. Modi, the shopkeeper, who refused to give his name, referred to bloody religious riots that broke out under Mr. Modi’s watch in 2002. “Do you think we are going to vote for the murderer?” he asked.Ashwani did not hear that exchange, because he was chatting on the phone with an acquaintance who was interested in joining the R.S.S. Hanging up, he said he expected the organization’s membership to surge in the coming years. “Society is with the Sangh,” he said.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 11 May 2014 06:51

JE Menon wrote:Rahul Mehta,
Didn't we create a special thread for you to vent at one time? .... This thread is about Modi vs Dynasty.

The what is this post on Raghuram Ghazani doing here in this thread? And can you see who posted this post?

JE Menon wrote:RRajan hasn't done a bad job with what he had in hand... why this random accusations of him being a puppet or whatever... This knee jerk reaction of calling people puppets of some group or the other just because he says or does something one may not agree with is not on...

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JE Menon wrote:Boss I meant it in the most affectionate way... Know RM on the forum for years and years. He needs to have a voice. If we can give the slAAP aadmi and the commies a voice why not RM? But he sometimes does not realise this delicate balance and thinks his views are desired by the majority... Which is fine if not overdone. Kind of like the graciously invited single uncle at the party who monopolizes the young girls conversation under the self-impression that he is a lothario - until his sister calls him in, gives him a drink and tells him to sit in the kitchen until she calls him for dinner....

Now I am putting ONLY 1 post per day or even less in this thread. So above allegation is NOT applicable at all.

My points are

1. I am NOT spamming into this thread. One post per day, or less, can no way help me in monopolizing

2. All my posts are on NaMo only. So they are very much with topic. In fact, my posts show increasingly growing similarity between NaMo and Congressmen. In fact, many postors here posts varied issue from Raghuram Ghazani to plain vanilla Congress bashing etc. There are posts on love life of Digvijay Singh, which were all OST. In contrast, every sentence in every post of mine is related with NaMo and actions he took, statements he made, actions he didnt take and statements he didnt make, and causes behind them.

Now, these posts may cause takleef = khujali to NaMo-andh-bhagats. But that should hardly be reason for admin remarks, right? IMO, all NaMo-andh-bhagats should be asked to "ignore" my posts, right? Finally, I will re-state. I am posting less than 1 post per day in this thread. So I am not making any attempt to hijack or spam this thread. .

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ShankarCag wrote:I like RMji for his analysis of issues but don't always agree with his solutions. If it is true that the onus of VAT payment is on the buyer in case seller doesn't pay it then it is definitely against small business.

Thanks . Now please see http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... t-governor . NaMo added sub-section 7 A to Section 11 of Gujarat VAT Act in around feb-2013. It says that "if a vendor has not paid tax collected on sales to the government treasury, the buyers' 'input tax credit' will be disallowed to that extent". And chances are high that NaMo will put that section in the coming GST as well. Some say that now it is not there. But I checked with my CA cousin just yesterday, and he says that it is still valid. IOW, the every time a person claims input tax credit, he has to check on Gujarat Commercial Tax dept's website that the VAT collected from him by the seller has been deposited or not !! And if not, then he cannot claim that credit. Many NaMo-andh-bhagats want such issues be buried under the carpet. And since the big bang, I have been of the opinion, that voters should be informed about such issues ASAP. To reduce the pain to NaMo-andh-bhagats, I confine to one post per day or less in this thread. But the tribe of NaMo-andh-bhagats want even that one post to be kept out !!

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Vriksh wrote:I agree with Rahul Mehta and believe that many of his ideas will be implemented by NaMo. I am also afraid of us placing too much faith in one man. However his interview with Arnob seemed to indicate that NaMo is a systems man and has always emphasized putting proper systems in place that improve the human condition. If Rahul Mehta's systems are good then I have no doubt that they will be implemented by NaMo and his team

Partial thanks , because you at least gave me some benefit of doubt that my proposals might be good

. Now many in Gujarat have been believing since 2002 that NaMo would implement such good proposals in State Govt level. That didnt happen. It isnt fault of NaMo. The proposals can convert too many powerful people in elitedom , judocracy, babudom etc into enemies that no CM or PM can handle. Which is why I give newspaper advt of these proposals, and also send pamphlets to all small time activists as well as voters with full drafts etc. , but I never ask a neta to carry this burden. And finally, the interview with Arnab must have been 100% scripted. So please dont conclude anything from that interview.

mnavnith wrote: RM ji I have been a lurker in these forums for almost a decade now, would not like to derail this thread but your views are a little alarmist, so I will try to add my few paise to this.

1.) Any purchase and selling of goods will involve negotiation between the buyer and seller on the price, taxes etc, now what namo did was remove the ambiguity of who has to pay the tax, the onus is now on the buyer, so the buyer will have to formalise the taxes to be paid within his agreement with the seller this will bring greater transperancy to the entire purchase order. Also GSAT is something that has to be brought in.

2,3.) Everyone in the financial community knows about maritius and we also know its a honeytrap, the reason for its existence is to allow a few things to come through which would otherwise be completely hidden. Its all about rothschild is just paranoia, quite a few indian businesmen have also done things which would make us laugh on thier audacity.

4.) Dont know much about womb surrogacy but I can assure you that decling birth rates in the west are not due to decling Fertility but due to rising costs in raising children which womb surrogacy will not address.

Regarding interest rates believe us it is extremely Important to have and as pehaps you can google and find, any Islamic style banking will end up only for charity or banktupt, it simply isnt sustainable.

The financial community loves modi since 2005 so be assured on finance and economy when it comes to Namo.

All that may be fine. But someone does need to tell the voters that NaMo is supporting Mauritius route, supporting womb rental laws and that NaMo is supporting "the buyer may end up paying twice the tax if the seller didnt pay VAT he collected from buyer" clause in VAT and coming GST. Each voter is smart enough to decide whether Mauritius route is good, womb rental is good , this VAT clause is good or bad, and voter is also smart enough to guess why NaMo is supporting all such laws. Each one is on his own.

Now about "interest on loans" , I am NOT saying that interest on loans should go. My point was something else. In 700 AD, Islam made a major innovation by removing interest on loans with profit sharing partnerships and that enabled Muslims to improve craftsmanship and make better weapons. Instead of copying that innovation or doing something better, all Hindus did was worshipping Hemchandra. And I see same trend today. MNC-owners and Missionaries are advancing because of several innovations in their administration. Instead of copying those administrative system or giving better drafts, we are just resorting to Hemchandra-worshipping. And that trend is worrying to me.

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Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 May 2014 07:02

^^The NYT type of propagandu pieces are - yawn - losing their lustre on any intended target audience in India. I blame social media for the same. Now folks have a much wider choice of reading sources.

Of course, if the target is the westerner, fine, go ahead. With a strong and stable Modi sarkar in the saddle, we can weather some browbeating and negative-PR threats the west routinely issues anyway. Will over time serve to immunize our people and our body politic from the bully (silly?) pulpits of the western propagandu mouthpieces. Good, good overall.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 11 May 2014 07:12

Modified Dissent

When she first came to campaign in her Vidisha constituency, Sushma Swaraj refrained from mentioning Narendra Modi in her poll speeches, referring instead to only Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan. But that changed after Swaraj discovered she was not as comfortably positioned as she had assumed. Voters were upset that she had ignored her constituency. Swaraj decided she needed all the help she could get and had per force to use the M word in her speeches. A similar turnaround took place in Kanpur, where Murli Manohar Joshi was initially peeved about not getting a ticket from Varanasi. Party workers took to chanting “Modi, Modi” during all of Joshi’s speeches to send home the message that Modi was the real vote-getter. L K Advani, another Modi detractor, also surrendered to the Modi juggernaut. In Sultanpur, however, Varun Gandhi held out in the belief that he could win on his own without invoking Modi.

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... man-rekha/

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 11 May 2014 07:43

Cosmo_R wrote:
ashish raval wrote:
Agree. He is brilliant economist and right person for the job. Inflation kills and I agree with his strategy.
True most the time. However, deflation is far worse. Today, Japan gets giddy when inflation rises Reason? people buy today what they would have postponed till tomorrow because in a deflationary environment it will be cheaper.

Deflation kills economic growth. Even zero inflation is conducive to growth. Some inflation is desirable.

sire, it has been explained often times that in India 'generalised 'deflation is unlikely..unlike the west our problems are of supply side...so there can't really be deflation unless demand is killed even more than production..an unlikely event I say..

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 11 May 2014 07:52

vivek.rao wrote:Manik Tyagi ‏@maniktyagi 1h
A seat projection, which I find balanced and reasonable pic.twitter.com/0BWn79jsgD

Little bit generous I would say. If we take 10% out we still end up with 230 for BJP and about 42-45 for allies. If this pattern holds I think we are very close. Seeing MH numbers just melts my heart. 20+18 means that NDA has decimated Cong and NCP (6+4 or 6+3+1). Little bit generous. I would be happy with 230+42.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 11 May 2014 08:04

NaMo will lose onlee.