Indo-UK: News & Discussion

[Haresh]

India must surrender (for the sake of British Appeasement)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... hools.html


And more gutlessness:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Hamas.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nance.html

[Raghavendra]

India must surrender (for the sake of British Appeasement)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... hools.html

The refusal of queen of england to wear burkha and members of the royal family to behave chastely is found to be the leading cause of extremism among british pakistanis, a report in the state run BBC said today

[Gerard]

Whatever happened to their "fair share of life and power"?

Muslims must embrace our British values, David Cameron says

[Raghavendra]

^Communal PM imposing kafirism

[krisna]

British Muslims on jehad trip to Somalia: WikiLeaks

British Muslims are travelling to Somalia for ''jehadi tourism'' to get training for terrorist attacks in Britain, secret US diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks have revealed.
The UN special envoy to Somalia was so worried about rebels linked to the Al Qaeda that he urged the US to launch targeted strikes against extremists in the region, the Daily Telegraph reported Friday.

But to the frustration of the Americans, Britain was slow to grasp the scale of the threat from Somalia, despite warnings that the largely lawless country was an "incubator" for terrorism.
According to the daily, MI5, the British security agency, now believes jehadists from the al-Shabaab movement in Somalia represent a significant threat to Britain. Jonathan Evans, the director-general of MI5, publicly warned of the threat last year.
Al-Shabaab controls large parts of the lawless south and has been linked to Al Qaeda. Pakistan was previously regarded as the training ground of choice for British terrorists, the report said.

out sourcing IT. soon clamour for jobs in IT within ukstan onlee.

[jagga]

WikiLeaks cables: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets

Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week.The fact that the Americans used British nuclear secrets as a bargaining chip also sheds new light on the so-called “special relationship”, which is shown often to be a one-sided affair by US diplomatic communications obtained by the WikiLeaks website

Number of comments are about to reach the mark of 2500 .Read the comments, lots of "Rona Dhona" by mango Brits.

[rsingh]

More then 2500 comments.............massive loss of H&D who think RAF alone defeated Nazi Germany. Average Brit is tuned to hate Russia.........what ever may come. I am following British media for last 25 years...............not a single positive news about Russia.

[krisna]

Chinese cyber spies hit British computers

British foreign secretary William Hague told a security conference in Munich that his office repelled an attack last month by 'a hostile state intelligence agency'.
Although Hague did not name the country behind the attacks, intelligence sources familiar with the incidents made it clear he was referring to China, the daily said.
In his speech Hague talked about concern within the government about increasing threat posed by cyber espionage to steal the country's defence, diplomatic and commercial secrets.

The foreign secretary said the attack came in the form of an email sent to three of his staff 'which claimed to be about a forthcoming visit to the region and looked quite innocent'.
'In fact it was from a hostile state intelligence agency and contained computer code embedded in the attached document that would have attacked their machine. Luckily, our systems identified it and stopped it from ever reaching my staff,' Hague said.
In another attack last year, the foreign secretary said Britain's defence industry was 'deliberately' targeted.
'A malicious file posing as a report on a nuclear Trident missile was sent to a defence contractor by someone masquerading as an employee of another defence contractor,' Hague was quoted as saying.
'Security meant that the email was detected and blocked, but its purpose was undoubtedly to steal information relating to our most sensitive defence projects.'
Hague said that a third attack had succeeded in evading Britain's defences with a version of the Zeus malware widely used to extract banking information and other personal details from targeted computers.
'In late December a spoof email purporting to be from the White House was sent to a large number of international recipients who were directed to click on a link that then downloaded a variant of Zeus,' he said.
The foreign secretary said that experts were able to clear up the infection, 'but more sophisticated attacks such as these are becoming more common'

What - from ombaba home, greek god and ?? all are conspiring against the gr8t britain.
Likely from wikileaks -- ombaba sent it to russia where it was given to dlagon for some maal.
Mr Hague- are you listening.

[Varoon Shekhar]

"Average Brit is tuned to hate Russia.........what ever may come. I am following British media for last 25 years...............not a single positive news about Russia."

And all this antipathy without having fought a single war against Russia, experiencing terrorism on their soil sponsored by Russia, illegal infiltration from Russia, claims on British territory by Russia.

One also has to wonder what the British reaction would be if they go through one or two more major terrorist attacks on their soil, after the London Tube attack. You would have to expect a backlash of sorts toward immigrants from the subcontinent, and probably established ethnic Indians as well. Forbid.

[Nihat]

UK pruned job list to hit skilled Indian migrants

[Prem]

British Karmic Cycle Spinning, Chacha Churchil Must Be Churning in his Grave.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/02/ ... -britain/#
A Bold, Courageous Move to Confront Islamists In Britain
Quote:
This weekend, British Prime Minister David Cameron delivered the most important speech of his premiership so far. His address to the Munich Security Conference was a powerful condemnation of a deadly Islamist ideology that threatens the very fabric of British society, as well as a wholehearted rejection of “the doctrine of state multiculturalism.” All the more remarkable, this bold speech came amid a suffocating culture of political correctness in the United Kingdom, which has frequently stifled open debate during the past two decades.
The British government has identified Islamist extremism as the number one threat to national security. Cameron was absolutely right to point out that “the biggest threat that we face comes from terrorist attacks… we have got to get to the root of the problem, and we need to be absolutely clear on where the origins of these terrorist attacks lie. That is the existence of an ideology, Islamist extremism.”It is easy to see why these remarks were necessary. In 2009 British intelligence services revealed that there are 2,000 extremists involved in Islamist terrorist plots in the UK, with many more providing backing. MI6, the UK’s foreign intelligence agency, has since warned of a new wave of suicide bomb attacks by home-grown terrorists, with mounting fears over the radicalization of British Muslims.In his speech Cameron called for an end to the self-imposed cultural segregation of some Muslim communities, calling on all Britons to adopt “a clear sense of shared national identity that is open to everyone.” He also made it clear that the days of engagement by the British government with extremist Islamic groups that claim to be moderate are over. This is a clear, and welcome, break with the lax policies of his Labour predecessors.Prime Minister Cameron’s words in Munich were a huge step in the right direction. His government now needs to put them into action to ensure that the Islamist terrorist threat is emphatically defeated, both at home and abroad. That includes a commitment to winning the war in Afghanistan, and ensuring the Taliban do not retake power, as well as a determination to isolate the extremists at home, and crush the Al Qaeda networks that proliferate across the UK

[Haresh]

Begging for Business???

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =EUR&s=AIR

[Gus]

Sarkozy has also said recently that mult-cult has failed. Didn't Merkel also say something like that...maybe without explicitly using the 'failed' word. UK, France and Germany - the big three in EU saying the same thing...

[Lalmohan]

the current government in the UK has realised that relying on the US has major limitations... there is quite a lot of decent defence R&D in the UK, but often insufficient take up or funding due to other budget priorities and then pressure from the US to kill off rival technologies to theirs... with the right framework - and we are not there yet - this could be an interesting development. the french tend to go it alone, the germans are still shy of building weapons. interesting times ahead

[partha]

Secret filming at Muslim schools in Birmingham and Yorkshire shows pupils being beaten and 'taught Hindus drink cow p***'

‘You’re not like the non-Muslims out there,’ the teacher says, gesturing towards the window. ‘All that evil you see in the streets, people not wearing the hijab properly, people smoking . . . you should hate it, you should hate walking down that street.’
He refers to the ‘non-Muslims’ as the ‘Kuffar’, an often derogatory term that means disbeliever or infidel.
Welcome to one of Britain’s most influential Islamic faith schools, one of at least 2,000 such schools in Britain, some full-time, others part-time. They represent a growing, parallel education system.

[Hari Seldon]

Begging for Business???

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i= ... =EUR&s=AIR

From the farticle:

"Britain has a potent ally and a true friend in India, and there is no reason the relationship should not be as important and as deep as the one we have with U.S.A. as India regains her place in the world," Luff said.

Ally and friend, eh? I see.

Sure, we should discuss issues of mutual interest and gain and all that, even with the brits. But better to be extra careful while having any dealings with them, period. They for one know subcontinental piskology really well and will flatter to receive then deceive like nobody's business.

As for defence production tie-ups, why not? How about proof of sincerity first, esp given our odious and onerous history and trust deficit from the past, eh? So, let's start with discussing rolls-royce JV for jet engine production lines in namma Bengaluru, to start with, shall we?....

/sarc off.

But more seriously, always better to start with setting ridiculous public expectations when dealing with the briturds, IMHO only....

[shyam]

It is seems the UK visitor visa has been jacked up by a big margin.

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply ... afeesvisit

May be India also should make the visitor visa for people for UK to the same level. Money should be charged equally when people travel in either direction.

[Pranav]

Was London bombing accused a US informer? - http://www.indianexpress.com/news/was-l ... r/749854/0

See also The al-Qaida supergrass and the 7/7 questions that remain unanswered - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/1 ... -questions

Not a surprise.

[Hari Seldon]

From twitter:

In India, UK aid of 280m pounds will be focussed on Bihar, MP and Orissa, Mitchell tells BBC Radio 4. Via @GlenTarman http://bbc.in/ey054m

All naxal affected states. Who're the NGO beneficiaries?

The default position with regard to western, and particularly brit, 'humanitarian' munificence towards the turd world is "what's the catch?". This bears closer screw-tiny at all levels only. Hopefully, our khakis are on the job.

[Gerard]

Mosque school arrest following Channel 4 documentary

The Birmingham footage was obtained by an undercover reporter posing as a volunteer, using a hidden camera. It showed a preacher at Darul Uloom, a fee-paying school in Small Heath, making offensive remarks about Hindus, ranting about non-Muslims and telling pupils they face torture in the afterlife if they adopt western customs such as dancing or listening to music. He tells them to avoid more liberal Muslims. "The person who's got less than a fistful of beard, then you should stay away from him the same way you should stay away from a serpent or a snake."

Another group are told in an assembly: "The disbelievers, they are the worst of all people. The Hindus do, they drink piss, I've told you this. Do they have any intellect? No."

[putnanja]

Mosque school arrest following Channel 4 documentary
...

Of more concern is the liberal MP for Yorkshire saying the madrassa didn't do any wrong. From the report above ...

...
John Hemming, the Liberal Democrat MP for Birmingham Yardley, criticised the documentary: "If Channel 4 thinks this is a school where racism and intolerance is accepted in any way, they have got their facts seriously wrong. [The school] have already had hate mail, and now they are having to close for the safety of their pupils. This kind of documentary is ideal fodder for the [far-right] English Defence League. Channel 4 is putting the safety of children at risk by criticising a school which is doing its job properly."
...

[Charlie]

Mosque school arrest following Channel 4 documentary

The Birmingham footage was obtained by an undercover reporter posing as a volunteer, using a hidden camera. It showed a preacher at Darul Uloom, a fee-paying school in Small Heath, making offensive remarks about Hindus, ranting about non-Muslims and telling pupils they face torture in the afterlife if they adopt western customs such as dancing or listening to music. He tells them to avoid more liberal Muslims. "The person who's got less than a fistful of beard, then you should stay away from him the same way you should stay away from a serpent or a snake."

Another group are told in an assembly: "The disbelievers, they are the worst of all people. The Hindus do, they drink piss, I've told you this. Do they have any intellect? No."

Does anyone have link to this documentary?

[sum]

Debate on multiculturalism — again

From time to time in Britain, a cry goes up that multiculturalism has failed. The debate then quickly, almost seamlessly, turns to the problem of “integrating” the Muslim community with the wider British society and — its implied consequence — the rise of “Muslim extremism.” Once again, like the proverbial Groundhog Day, we are in that familiar territory after Prime Minister David Cameron recently used a speech at an international security conference in Munich to declare that the time had come to bury “state multiculturalism.” It had, he contended, encouraged “different cultures to live separate lives” with “segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values.”

Mr. Cameron then went on to conflate the supposed failings of multiculturalism with the issue of radicalisation of Muslims (always the elephant in the room whenever Britain's social ills are discussed), which he blamed on a policy of “hands-off tolerance.”

Calling for a more “muscular” defence of western values (remarks that one commentator termed the “politics of body-building” rather than social cohesion), the Prime Minister said: “Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism.”

From this point on, Mr. Cameron's speech slipped, as such debates invariably do, into a not-so-veiled attack on Muslim behaviour. In remarks that were strikingly similar to his Labour predecessor Tony Blair's “macho” speeches in the wake of 9/11 and the July 7, 2005 London bombings, he made clear that Muslims living in the West must abide by western “values” of tolerance, free speech and respect for women's rights.

He further proposed an official boycott of separatist Muslim groups, urging Ministers to refuse to share platforms or engage with them. They should also be denied access to public money, he suggested, alluding to the Labour government's policy of wooing groups such as the Muslim Council of Britain with funds.

“Let's properly judge these organisations: Do they believe in universal human rights — including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism? These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organisations,” he said.

Mr. Cameron took care to make a distinction between the religion of Islam and the political ideology of Islamist extremism, saying it was wrong to link strong religious faith with radicalism. But the alarmist tone of his speech, urging Europe “to wake up to what is happening in our countries,” left many (and not just Muslims) uncomfortable. While it is generally agreed that there is perhaps a need to promote a sense of wider collective national identity, critics say Mr. Cameron's attempt to link terrorism with the issue of Muslim integration risks fuelling Islamophobia and reigniting the post-9/11 rows over Islam.

Timing significant

There have also been questions about the timings of his remarks, which coincided with an aggressive march in the predominantly Muslim town of Luton against the “Islamisation of Britain” by the far-right English Defence League (EDL). Anti-fascist activists have accused him of “writing propaganda” for the EDL while a spokesperson of the Muslim Council of Britain, one of the groups Mr. Cameron was thought to have in mind when he called for self-appointed “gatekeepers” of the Muslim community to be shunned, said: “Again it seems the Muslim community is being treated as part of the problem rather than part of the solution.”

Even independent liberal observers, who acknowledge that there is downside to laissez faire multiculturalism, believe that Mr. Cameron was wrong to link it with security and counter-terrorism. “We are all for an ‘active, muscular liberalism,' and accept it can require uncomfortable choices. But David Cameron was wrong to link it with the fight against terrorism,” commented The Independent editorially describing this part of his speech as “worse than naïve” and “counter-productive.”

“By linking Islamist terrorism with the issue of integrating Muslims, he managed to suggest that Muslims are a threat,” it said, arguing that his remarks showed “muddled thinking” over why young people turned to political violence.

There is a view that Mr. Cameron 's speech reflected a growing backlash against multiculturalism — and anxiety about Islam — across Europe with European leaders jostling with one another to push a populist “integrationist” agenda in the name of “defending” western values and fighting terror. Last autumn, German Chancellor Angela Merkel sparked a polarising debate when she said multiculturalism in her country had “utterly failed” to integrate its four million Muslims. Similar debates are going on in France and Italy — and in a more virulent form in Austria, Denmark and other European countries.

Madeleine Bunting, a leading British commentator on race and religion, said it was “disturbing” that Mr. Cameron should want to associate himself with such a “hysterical and extremely unpleasant” debate. “What kind of ambition and projection on the European stage prompted Cameron to deliver what is essentially a speech aimed at a U.K. audience? [The finer details of which Muslim organisation to work with can hardly be expected to interest a European security conference.] It could get very nasty if Cameron is jostling with [French President] Sarkozy and Merkel to establish his credentials to articulate European anxiety about Islam,'' she wrote in The Guardian.

“This Government is enthusiastically funding schools for separatists — from snooty white middle classes to… purist Hindus …, evangelical Christians and introverted, uncompromising Muslims. How does that foster integration?” asked The Independent columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown.

Mr. Cameron, she said, had been “selective” in singling out Muslims for criticism. “Many of us Muslims would be with David Cameron if his speech hadn't shown to be selective, hypocritical, calculating and woefully indifferent to Muslim victims of relentless racism and chauvinism,” she said.

WTF is a purist Hindu in Britain?

Love the way that despite more and more people/countries feeling bit let down by ONLY the muslims ( and not Hindus, Jews, Sikhs etc), there is steadfast refusal to introspect and the only way out is to blame all the guys who are asking the Brit/European Muslims to look within and reform to the "European way" if they want to saty there.

[Charlie]

Does anyone have link to this documentary?

Got the Links...

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kau7SItY ... r_embedded
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ksfbGh ... r_embedded
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hQpk1c ... r_embedded
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQmZfm_h ... r_embedded
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9e69MU ... r_embedded


SAD to see that our meek Hindu Organizations or regular Brit-Indians have nothing to say on this abomination and we are completely absent from the general British Political discourse on multiculturalism. For gods sake we number more than Pakis in UK and still are open season to every other religion to completely walk all over us..

[Lalmohan]

^^^ not entirely, there is plenty of hindu activism, but unfortunately of the wrong sort. it needs to be intellectual and ideological rather than knee jerk reactions based on prejudice. e.g. i have no time for hindu priests who refuse to accept sweets from a muslim shop - on the basis of religion alone.

[ajaytripathi]

^ Its natural for anyone to keep distance from muslims when they set a price for your sisters head for conversion to islam

who knows what is inside the sweets, drugs? poison?

[Maram]

the current government in the UK has realised that relying on the US has major limitations... there is quite a lot of decent defence R&D in the UK, but often insufficient take up or funding due to other budget priorities and then pressure from the US to kill off rival technologies to theirs... with the right framework - and we are not there yet - this could be an interesting development. the french tend to go it alone, the germans are still shy of building weapons. interesting times ahead

Lalmohan ji,

You are right... In Medicine, for example CT scan was invented by Geoffrey Houndsfield.IVF treatment was discovered here.Cloning the sheep was done at Roslin Institute,Edinburgh. Think of any scientific field.. Biology,Chemistry,engineering,Medicine etc.. etc... some of the doyens in the past are all British. Alexander Fleming for penicillin,edward jenning for developing the concept of vaccines(he invented small pox vaccine) ofcourse Newton,Darwin .. etc... etc... If artistic renaissance took place in Italy and France and Spain, scientific rennaisance took place in the UK in my opinion.

The reason for that is, in the UK, people who think out of the box, your eccentric inventors are handled appropriately. the culture encourages rebels, people who are loose cannons etc... Out of 100 s uch people will emerge a Single Darwin or Newton. Our culture encourages subservience,respect and obedience. Such an atmosphere will never encourage scientific innovation. The kamasutra was radically different for its day.. heck even today. Can any writer in India write a kamasutra today? We are a nation where free speech and free thought are trampled upon by just about everyone... How can a culture of fear produce innovation?

In the defence field, think of all major innovations like RADAR, Jet Engine, Delta Wing Concept, Thrust Vectoring etc.... are all british innovations. The problem is they can't buy enough of this stuff to keep the price of the product down. So far the only avalilable option was the US.Now with a 14 Trillion Dollar deficit US is in Big Trouble..... Britain realises it. So they are trying to assidously cultivate the relationship with us. We have a highly skilled man power base, that will radically reduce the cost of manufacturing and we hare going to have a relatively young population making us a good market.

Our universities still test "memorising of facts".. heck every entrance exam is just a test of your memory! There is a place for memorising of facts, but what about design,innovation, ability to think and deliver a concept on budget on time, team working, trying to manage individual egos and still being able to manage to deliver results as a team, teaching the citizens of tommorow how to manage work-life balance... Our education is woefully not prepared for the 21st century! We don't even have a common curriculum(nationwide)...

I am amazed at India's development, because it is despite the best efforts of politicians,we are succeeding as a nation! Imagine how much we could achieve, when our politicians will work for our nation's development, work to unite us not divide us!The dream of a Happy,United and Prosperous India is worth pursuing.

[RajeshA]

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kau7SItY ... r_embedded
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ksfbGh ... r_embedded
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hQpk1c ... r_embedded
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQmZfm_h ... r_embedded
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9e69MU ... r_embedded


SAD to see that our meek Hindu Organizations or regular Brit-Indians have nothing to say on this abomination and we are completely absent from the general British Political discourse on multiculturalism. For gods sake we number more than Pakis in UK and still are open season to every other religion to completely walk all over us..

I think Britain under Cameron, needs to get really serious about such discourse in the madrassas in Britain. Perhaps one first step to get the disease under control is to stop naturalization of Pakistanis, and stop giving them British Passports. Through cousin marriages and what not, they will manage somehow to get in and get visas, but Britain can still stop naturalization altogether. That would allow Pakistanis to be deported when necessary. Otherwise they can be allowed to live with a visa. There is nothing inhumane in disallowing naturalization, and it can be done with little difficulty.

In fact Naturalization of Pakistanis should be stopped across the whole EU, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

[Hari Seldon]

^^^IMHO, things will get worse before they can get better.

If indeed the creeping power of political islam is such a big deal in UKstan, then the EDL type of parties wouldn't still be fringe-only loonies now, would they? Votebase polarization along ethno-religious lines will happen after some tipping point which is still some distance away, as I see it.

When that tipping point is reached, then things'll heat up quite a bit, I reckon. Either way, I don't see how ghettoization, ethnic tensions, occasional rioting, no-go areas and the like don;t come to fore evermore. karma is a beach indeed.

[Lalmohan]

emigration from the indian subcontinent has dropped massively over the past few years
the issue is not with large numbers of radical pakistanis arriving in ukstan, but home born and bred pakistani origin people - who are radical by choice
i dont think the tipping point is very far away - tensions are brewing and simmering

[Singha]

by some accounts the british born jihadis are more fundie and unrealistic than the pakis and north african neo-jihadis. thats because the indocrination happens younger, and they have hardly seen the reality in their parental nations and have no pragmatism to temper their wild enthusiasm....they are pretty well fed either on their parents money + british social security and use that as a machan to look down on poorer kafirs.

[Mahendra]

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kau7SItY ... r_embedded
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ksfbGh ... r_embedded
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7hQpk1c ... r_embedded
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQmZfm_h ... r_embedded
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L9e69MU ... r_embedded





In fact Naturalization of Pakistanis should be stopped across the whole EU, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Why saar are you being so unfair to South America, Japan, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea and Burundi?

[Lalmohan]

british born pakistanis are taught rebellion and questioning of authority by the british 'system', some of which is osmosis from society at large
they feel excluded from british society due to racism and other forms of discrimination
they see their parents as hypocrites who say one thing and do another
many are shipped off to pakistan for extended periods where they come under conflicting societal pressures and plenty of the hatred agenda
they see the outside world as a hostile place and their internal world as being a sham and without identity
into all this chaos steps in the manipulative mullahs of the movement (3M!)
next thing you know you have a bunch of radicals willing to do something for the cause

[RajeshA]

Mahendra ji, thanks for the correction. Burundi too by all means.

[Haresh]

India, a friend in need?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/tele ... -need.html

[jiteshn]

I do not understand why BRF members are bleeding their hearts out over islamist gaining foot in the west.

I have no problem with it. In fact, i'd encourage these developments.

IMO, A chaotic west means unkil will have more interest in its own back yard and less interest in the developments in the indian sub-continent. I seriously think we should encourage islam to split europe. The only possible trickle down of conquests in unkil land is through white converts and that can only come through the people of europe.

[Hari Seldon]

^^^LOL, jiteshn, where were you all this while, my friend... yours truly long ago coined an old slogan only: "UKstan deserves every packee it has. x10."

Anyway, schadenfreude aside, one must also be tempered with realism and consequence analysis, I suppose. Like Yogi Berra said, "it's hard to make predictions, esp about the future". Who knows what a resurgent political, graphic and demographic islam within western borders portends for us kuffr SDREs now, eh?

[jiteshn]

You mean the future "islamic west"? That's a very long stretch. India has been combating islamic conquests ever since it invaded our sub-continent a few hundred years ago. What im interested in is the "long" chaos in the middle. That'll give us some time to breath. That'll send the joshua project type organisations back to their own land to preserve their own country.

Its a fact that the west has never been challenged the way islam has challenged it. We should appreciate it for what its worth.

What happens when the pure and the lesser pure come across each other? Only the pure survive. Im sure the white converts have it in them.

[RajeshA]

I do not understand why BRF members are bleeding their hearts out over islamist gaining foot in the west.

1. Because the remittances from West to Pakistan strengthen the capacity of the Tanzeems there.

2. Because the Pakistani population in the West can exert influence on the foreign policies of Western countries.

[jiteshn]

1. Because the remittances from West to Pakistan strengthen the capacity of the Tanzeems there.

How much material capacity does it need for a jihadi to land in india and go on a killing spree? A few thousand dollars? What is the next step for these organisations? Suppose they make 10 million dollars in collection; what will they do with that sort of money?

Strengthening organisations mean more attacks on the PA also, no?

2. Because the Pakistani population in the West can exert influence on the foreign policies of Western countries.

Like the west's foreign policy isn't already negative towards india?

We expected the new nation to fall after the partition but the west floated them for 50 long years, didn't they? They pumped in arms and liquidity into the new state. They still continue to do that. Back in the days, they did it to keep india busy. Today, they do it to keep both the jihadists and the indians busy.

The indians, the pakistanis and the jihadis were all just pieces in unkils game. The west never suffered a major casualty in this game until 9/11. India needs to utilize and channel this jihadi power at the west and break the whole game.