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Pioneer reports from PTI
Cong top brass hold deliberations over Telangana

January 15, 2011 12:35:04 AM

PTI | New Delhi

Grappling with the issue of a separate Telangana state out of Andhra Pradesh, Congress top brass, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and party chief Sonia Gandhi, held deliberations here tonight on the subject.

The growing clamour for a separate Telangana has been a ticklish issue for the party which is divided over it on regional lines in the state.

Home Minister P Chidambaram was present at the meeting after which sources said there would be further consultations with party MPs from the state, especially from the Telangana region.

With the Congress buffeted by Telangana issue and Y S Jaganmohan Reddy's rebellion, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee had held a meeting with Congress MPs from Telangana and had asked them to "co-operate".

The MPs have remained firm on their demand insisting that there was no question of going back. "We are not going to rest with anything other than the separate state of Telangana", has been the refrain among them.

Seeking to buy time, Congress high command appears to be toying with the idea of having a Deputy Chief Minister and PCC chief in Andhra Pradesh from Telangana region amid a growing clamour for a separate state.

Only today, the AICC announced that PCC Chief D Srinivas, who hails from Telangana, would continue till further orders.

Congress is so far maintaining a wait-and-watch approach on the challenge :?: thrown up by the Srikrishna Committee report on Telangana, which has given various options, including keeping the state united as well as formation of a separate Telangana.

{Did they expect the SKC to bail them out by giving yes or no decision?}

The party is banking heavily on newly installed Chief Minister Kiran Kumar Reddy to tackle the situation.

The deliberations by the top Congress leadership were the first after rebel leader Y S Jaganmohan Reddy took his battle to Delhi by organising a one-day fast here, which was attended by two dozen Congress MLAs including a few from the Telangana region.
With INC they mean opposite of what they say. Most likely they will move the CM and spin it. They seem to think that the main problem is INC T section. So that would be one solution. If they retain the Central govt till 2014 then many things can be arranged. This would freeze the problem while they handle Jagan's group.

I guess KCR with get back Shipping ministry.
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^ Ramanagaru,

SKC infact given a clear yes/no decision. It was a NO.
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Then what is the challenge?
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If they read the report for what it is and implement the recommendation, how can they keep the state boiling? That means the administration has to

- Rule (take on responsibilities)
- Complete jalayajnam projects (money has already been used up and the have to start giving water to corps)
- face YSJ.
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vishnua wrote:Absolutely.. The current generation of the T folks do not really care that is ppl under 40. Don't bring in OU students as they can be "used" for all sorts of agitations as long as the directives are coming from certain type of leaders ( read left/naxals)

But older generation still have fantasies about seprate T due to various facotrs.

Hint: The naxals are less active or not at all where there is strong presence of "settlers"

Madhu Yakshi purely won on T- facor in 2009 as he did not implement single development project as an MP from 2004 and 2009.
Hence you see his statement now. He wants to have his cake and eat it too... i..e keep supporting T-factor publicly but will still stay with Cong. Once TRS is "merged" with Cong he is golden...He is betting or has inside info.

Not many elected folks from T area can say this.
Could you eloborate on this post? It is very interesting to know that Naxal Vs. "settlers" equations.
Regarding older generation having fantacies of "T", I do not think it as anything based on ambition to carve out something of the pie. It is just that feeling of we still do not own anything since the times we are occupied by Nizam.

I really did not go through the movers and shakers portion of current T-movement as I just took the baseline that this T-Sentiment is existing and it is perrenial. In fact exactly around 2004-2005 timeline, DC has conducted a survey in which there are about 51% opting for T-state and that surprised me as I was expecting around 75% people may be wanting T at that time.

Regarding the movers and shakers, I did not give that much of an importance when Dasari in his pretty good summary noted that T-NRIs as the movers. Now when you are referring to Madhu Yakshi (who is returned NRI to win the elections. He was a New York attorney when he was in US per Wiki) it looks like there is link after all. This fellow will join TRS and there should be no surprise.

I guess he is elected from Nizamabad. Is there a lot of T sentiment in Nizamabad? Is it a perceived one or real? It is one of the agriculturally progressing district and there are abundant number of "settlers" too.

Does the wealthy wanted T to create their own crony capitalism like that created by folks from Krishna+Guntur districts? This will end as a disaster for T.

For all practical purposes T is not forming. However, the anxiety is only because India currently have an extremely un-natural governance mechanism that is not really dicated by what is in the interest of the nation or even ruling party. There are no emotional or vision based attachments to the country or its progress. In the past inspite of illiteracy and corruption of the ruling elite there are certain ground rules which made it easy to predict. For example, Rajiv Gandhi went ahead with Assam Accord inspite of the fact that Congress will lose Assam. He lost the polls but he did not lose Assamese feelings on that day.
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Muppalla garu,
Without disclosing too much personal info ( I have been on BRF since 1999 but not as active as someothers) I will try to expand or explain as much as I can.
Muppalla wrote:[Could you eloborate on this post? It is very interesting to know that Naxal Vs. "settlers" equations. .
I should clarify that settlers here mostly refer to are from Krishna and Guntur districts. Most of these people migrated after AP formed or around that time frame upto early 60’s. In recent years (late 80’s and early 90’s) you will see people for Godavari districts as well .

If you take a map any district and mark out the areas (Around talukas or villages or village camps) where “settlers” are present there is absolutely or zero influence of naxals. The reasons being that “settlers” stand up or stood up ( There is lot of migration to HYD in last couple of decades) to the naxals. When I say stood up I mean literally (physically and theologically) which includes women as well. I am taking about examples where women refused to give money to naxals when they visited them at home. (The men were out on the field). This is from personal family/relatives experience. If the Naxals touched the women then the Naxals will meet their maker. It has to do with the strong common bond and then there is definitely unity among them.

It is the same thing for the minority community as well. I cannot go into too much details.

“Settlers” fight to keep what they earned through hard work and dedication. Kal moktha banchan Dora was what the attitude of rest of the people was. They have been dimitified and also have been under feudal so long that it is tough for them resist. But that is changing though. I have personal friends who grandfathers were absolute rules in their respective villages. But these guys now don’t pull anything close to that. Urbanization is really helping.

You might already know a village in certain districts typically has 2 names. For example Village A will have Village A camp and Village A. Camp is the section of the village where all the settlers live and is obviously prosperous than the other section.
Regarding older generation having fantacies of "T", I do not think it as anything based on ambition to carve out something of the pie. It is just that feeling of we still do not own anything since the times we are occupied by Nizam. .
This is true. Their logic especially for the older generation is than even though they know that by getting T they will see any significant improvement, it will be at least our people who be “eating”. They think they will better shot at eating more.
Starting with NTR and then CBN there is a perception that all the eating is done by Andhra people. There is where YSR brilliance comes in. He made sure his people in Cong in T also got the share of the loot.

I really did not go through the movers and shakers portion of current T-movement as I just took the baseline that this T-Sentiment is existing and it is perrenial. In fact exactly around 2004-2005 timeline, DC has conducted a survey in which there are about 51% opting for T-state and that surprised me as I was expecting around 75% people may be wanting T at that time. .
I am telling you if not for the crap that is being peddled in the last few months this % might be down even further. It would be interesting to see the breakdown of the 51% by district. Rajmata has opportunity to fix this. I think in coming months we will see something to that effect. Don’t rule out CM post for TRS people as well as some cabinet posts. Watch for Harish Rao for cabinet. I am not sure he is an MP or MLA.
Regarding the movers and shakers, I did not give that much of an importance when Dasari in his pretty good summary noted that T-NRIs as the movers. Now when you are referring to Madhu Yakshi (who is returned NRI to win the elections. He was a New York attorney when he was in US per Wiki) it looks like there is link after all. This fellow will join TRS and there should be no surprise.

I guess he is elected from Nizamabad. Is there a lot of T sentiment in Nizamabad? Is it a perceived one or real? It is one of the agriculturally progressing district and there are abundant number of "settlers" too. .
I don’t think T-NRIs have that kind a influence but they donated heavily initially for T. Remember KCR trips to US back in the day. He collected tons of money. But I am not sure donations are still pouring in at the same level.

As per MY, yes he is from Nizamabad and his wife is a physician. He is just making sure that he can get elected for the 3rd time.

As per T sentiment, it more in the lines of let us be more like pandavas and kauravas. It is funny. Some of the T- people vote of congress and then complain about YSR going on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem after elections.
Does the wealthy wanted T to create their own crony capitalism like that created by folks from Krishna+Guntur districts? This will end as a disaster for T. .
Not really… They just want bigger share of the loot and total dominance of the Andhra people is causing these bellyaches and mostly it is the jealousy piece.
For all practical purposes T is not forming. However, the anxiety is only because India currently have an extremely un-natural governance mechanism that is not really dicated by what is in the interest of the nation or even ruling party. There are no emotional or vision based attachments to the country or its progress. In the past inspite of illiteracy and corruption of the ruling elite there are certain ground rules which made it easy to predict. For example, Rajiv Gandhi went ahead with Assam Accord inspite of the fact that Congress will lose Assam. He lost the polls but he did not lose Assamese feelings on that day.

I could not have said better. The current leaders just want to stay in power no matter what ..National interest and larger strategic vision not in terms of economy but overall to build a state is completely lacking or is devoid of their thoughts. They think economic progress is panacea y of all the issues and everything will fall in the line which is not 100% true. In Cong ,Chindu, I think is better bet for the longer term.
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Now Pranab is looking after T issue. So we can see some inteligent steps from Delhi. at least it will not get worst
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vishnua wrote:
ramana wrote:Soon after 2004 elections I had ridiculed CBN's empahsis on Hyd and neglecting the rural which led to his displacement. The image about him was he was callous about the farmer suicides and led to disenchantment.
I called that Naidunomics. I think he has learned the lesson and the state and country paid dearly for that.
This is right on the money. CBN I think got "carried away" by focusing only on HYD or atleast giving that impression.

Even people who stauch TDP supportes voted for cong's canditate in 2004 elections.

The idea for YSR padayatra originated NRI's in USA. It was modelled after NTR's yatra's.

2009 elections is different story.

PRP in 2009 was like Ralph Nader in 2000 + Money factor. Chiru had absolute clue less people advising him or he himslef is not up to the task.

We need NTR's "arrongance" and self belief now. May be someone will show up .

T is dead for atleast another few years unless someone again in 10 or 20 years loses their plum posting and decides to bring back T again.

1970's it was Chenna reddy ...2000's it was KCR.. who know who will be in 2020' s or 2030's

Hopefully by then T will be much more developed as compared to today...

btw, I am from interior T ( similar to Muppalla's back ground but more in T) have exposure to Seemandra and Rayalaseema as well..
CBN's excessive emphasis on Hyderabad is also one of the reasons that telangana has become an important issue. All the rich people in seema andhra areas like vijayawada selected hyd to invest and has led to huge inflation of real estate prices and also the boom in IT and bio-tech has also led to the great growth in hyd and its sorrounding.

But the real estate was dominated by contractors from seemandhra. So now there are so many conflicting forces. Some really powerful and rich. Some of the telangana politicians have also been propagating bad tales. The telangana politicians are talking to distributing the ramoji film city to the poor and giving the areas in Hi-tech city to poor people.

There are a lot of forces in play some pushing this way and some the other. It is interesting so see that in between the middle class is not even interested
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vishnua garu that was a great post. The one that you wrote about Naxal-people interaction at village level is very important. Everyone on the forums go by just news items but no one has real knowledge of ground level interaction. Naxal-settlers thing is interesting. I have relatives who are original T folks and they cannot confront the Naxals and hence sold their lands for cheap.

Regarding TRS becoming part of gevernment, I would prefer KCR to go to center and Harish Rao becoming CM. Harish is at the least articulate on issues and does not talk like a drunkard. Not that my perception will matter. :)
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There is lot more to that as well. It is double edged sword wrt to settlers vs naxals.

Some of the most ardent supporters of naxals are indeed settlers both intellectually, operationally and some cases financially as well.

For your folks to sell the lands at cheap prices it has to be that area did not have much of "settlers".

One of my close friends father was beaten to death by naxals due to fact that he did not follow their dikhat which was not so sell the crop which he did. He had 5 sons . 4th and 5th ones are close friends of mine. It was only 30 kms from my place..

More on this later..
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Vishnua Garu...If you have more such ground happenings to share....please start a blog so that your information is not loosely scattered here on BRF.
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Unfortunately I cannot do that at this time i..e have a blog. There are I think plenty of them already.

Muppala and Venkarl, that is correct.There is lot more to the naxals issue in AP than that is being said in the news reports.

The ground situation is lot different than as to what is being reported. I have very close relatives who are supportes of CPM and are significant influence with them. You would be surprised what are the funding sources of these people and how these guys ended supportes of naxals movements.

Some of it is the legacy/left over of communist movements that swept india particularly AP before and right after independence. Lot of these folks eventually came back to Indic fold but some are still hanging on to it for various reasons.

Possible scenarios for AP.

1. CM from T (who is T-supporter and who is a current Cong MLA) area along with some cabinet posts in the center. TRS does not have to merge with Cong on this one. If it merges then it would smoother but the AP left that is supporting T will have a field day as they will say TRS sold out to Cong for power and money. Gaddar lready stated this as the reason for starting new party. One thing for sure . Naxals really want T more than anyone else.

2. KKR (current CM) can do what YSR did as per the spreading the loot and containing the T- movement.

3. Ramana's idea of separate council for T as way of giving major share of the loot. This will be tricky in the long run. This means Rayalaseema and Andhra will ask for the same and obvisouly Andhra will get bigger share. The creteria to establish these councils would be crucial.

4. Just buy time with more chai and biskoot. Where is IG for india and NTR for AP when we need them ??

One of the reasons for extortion by TRS could be that there is no more of NRI funding the way it used to be as well as greed from TRS. It would interesting to find out where the the extortion is being taking place. I bet my one year's paycheck that it is not across all of the T- districts.

I am still trying to find out how and when the T-seed got installed in KCR brain (apart from usual stuff that we all know) and who were the initial backers, movers and shakers especially operationally and financially. If we find right answers for these then may be there is a possibility that we can avoid the 30 year cycle..

As per BJP, BJP continuosuy messes up it's chances in T. There is strong undercurrent support for some of the BJP ideas in T areas.
Hint:1. Only BJP MLA out of twin cities is from Nizambad whom I know from child hood( don't ask how) who happened to defeat D. Srinivas (PCC president). YSR also played role in this. But that fact remains that BJP won one seat out of 2 ( I think) in Nizamabad.

2. Lot of karsevaks went to UP in 1992 from these areas with their own money.

It still has a chance but only if it can adjust and actually modify the entire policies within the party in AP.

KA can be used as template for AP with AP flavour. Once this is done TN is not far away.. Malluland is different beast but has a chance as well.

Btw, I used be hardcore BJP supporter but not any more...I now support in whatever way I can people like Nitest Kumar and Modi types irrespective of the party. There are still nationalists in cong but their numbers are going down or have different idea ( which is correct in their minds) but may not be suitable for long term . Before all this 2g's need to be handled as well as outside influence and I will go on and say there should be no more "GANDHI" name(except for one whose is the real Yuv Raj) in power for atleast 2 to 3 generations in the center. I am willing to "sacrifice" him from power i..e not be in power in order to completely remove the name.
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vishnua garu - When time permits, you should put the ground realities in villages with respect to Naxals in the Red Menace thread. A lot of BRF ites are urban folks but the realites of our villages and the problems from the villagers perspective are not really covered well. All we do is collect various news items and links and try to decipher. A lot of folks do a good job of that but it still lacks the grassroot level information.
vishnua wrote: 1. CM from T (who is T-supporter and who is a current Cong MLA) area along with some cabinet posts in the center. TRS does not have to merge with Cong on this one. If it merges then it would smoother but the AP left that is supporting T will have a field day as they will say TRS sold out to Cong for power and money. Gaddar lready stated this as the reason for starting new party. One thing for sure . Naxals really want T more than anyone else.
The strategy seems to be going in this direction and the the governor is very clear. There are no massive protests or agitations anywhere in the T except in OU location of the city. If this is dragged on and on then people will lose interest and if "political" T is not sustained beyond a point using cabinet ministers, CMs and what not, then the whole movement will be branded as "for Naxals and by Naxals". Once the branding comes that is the day this stuff will be closed.

However, current wheels-in-wheels at central governance structure can pull some stupidest stuff too.
vishnua wrote: 2. KKR (current CM) can do what YSR did as per the spreading the loot and containing the T- movement.

3. Ramana's idea of separate council for T as way of giving major share of the loot. This will be tricky in the long run. This means Rayalaseema and Andhra will ask for the same and obvisouly Andhra will get bigger share. The creteria to establish these councils would be crucial.
The ace for this is still Jagan. INC should rollback the entire stuff they did since the death of YSR and make Jagan as CM ASAP if they can. All other things are useless and hopeless from INC's point of view. INC in T is also literally scared as either Jagan and/or KCR will take every available space there. T-TDP is the serious challenger and I will not write them off even if they lose all seats.

Jagan is also playing TDP game of waiting for the central congress moves on T. It is like let them screw themselves and then take care from there. I am sure he will jump into fray and his strength will not be as much as his strength on the otherside. However, he will swallow INC and cut down a bit of KCR for sure. The larger chunk of current T-INC will join KCR and for those who have caste calculations will go with Jagan.

Regarding T-council, it is a good idea to first break the Andhras-loot-complaint. I beleive once the council is setup, there will be no AP budgetary allocations to T. T will have its own budget by the finance T-Council's Finance Minister. However I am not sure how and who will decide the larger projects and the financing of such projects. For example how and who will decide Polavaram type stuff.
vishnua wrote: One of the reasons for extortion by TRS could be that there is no more of NRI funding the way it used to be as well as greed from TRS. It would interesting to find out where the the extortion is being taking place. I bet my one year's paycheck that it is not across all of the T- districts.
Extortion is only in twin cities and it is only from the industrial establishments and I do not think they have any capabilities to extort from T-folks at this time as that will discredit them. There is an emotional part of T-movement and they just cannot afford to lose that support. If that is gone everything will be lost for KCR.
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What do you guys think about the impact of the upcoming world cup cricket on the current telangana agitation? Any hope it would slowdown the protests and focus, so that the central govt. can take advantage of, by buying some time.
I keep wondering how come OU students are so actively involved in this movement. What about students of JNTU, Kakatiya university etc. What % of the OU student population is really active and who? Why would they jeopardize their future when they have good job prospects and opportunities unlike in the past (30 yrs back)? Whats really driving them?
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The Myth that OU students are involved is to seriously challeged. No serious student is studing in univercity. The are all doing BE's in some useless subject so that they can get a software job. It is only scolorship eathing "reaserch scaloors" who are involed in this agitation most of them are time pass in education and active in all kind of radical activities. Do we really call them student. Avarage people in entire AP wants their kids to BE and MBBS andf that is all. It is only leftist activists who do arts most of the time at the higher level rest do not have time or inclination to do that.
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This article is an excellent write up on Osmania University and why it is a representative of the telangana region.

Telangana is taught here
Its alumni include PV Narasimha Rao and Shyam Benegal, as well as Maoist leaders. Osmania University, epicentre of the Telangana movement, has always said yes to a protest movement.

A platoon of Andhra Pradesh Special Police, some calm, others fidgeting, closes ranks as a rally of seething, agitated students, protesting against the Srikrishna committee’s report on the demand for a Telangana state, charges towards them at the Osmania University campus. The battle lines have long been drawn. The students are intent on taking their fight out of the campus — and on to the streets of Hyderabad, where they would be more visible and cause more damage. The brief for the police is simple: keep them inside. When the 500-odd students find their way blocked, they advance towards the police line, raising pro-Telangana slogans and taunting the policemen. “Here, open fire, open fire,” they shout, pointing to their chests. The policemen move in to disperse the crowd.

The retreat is strategic. The students reassemble, and this time are armed with stones. The first hail of pebbles rains down where the policemen are standing, holding up fibre or cane shields to protect themselves. For the next three hours, there is not a moment’s respite as stones hit them from all sides. Just when things appear to be going out of control, the police charge in with batons, lob stun grenades and fire from pellet guns. Twelve students and eight policemen are injured. Task Force Additional Deputy Commissioner M Srinivas Rao takes a hit on his head. One more bloody session of the agitation at Osmania University has come to an end.

Everyday life runs its uninterrupted course in Hyderabad, indifferent to the raging movement to carve out the state of Telengana from Andhra Pradesh, though it is a battle in which the city itself is the prize. But at Osmania University in the heart of the city, where an imposing sandstone structure looms over a lush green campus, no other struggle is as important. When the movement gathered steam in November 2009 after the UPA government promised to start the process of state division, Osmania hostels turned into war rooms. It was here that students organised into groups, brainstormed over protest programmes and resolved not to let the fight fizzle out. Nearly 6,000 students live in the university’s hostels; 98 per cent are from Telangana. “The energy and passion of the students cannot be bridled. A lathicharge is a minor deterrent, they are willing to face bullets. They say they will sacrifice their lives for Telangana, and many already have,’’ says M Kodanda Rama Reddy, a professor of political science and the convenor of the powerful all-party Telangana Joint Action Committee (TJAC) heading the agitation on campus.

But what drives 21-year-olds to face gunfire or douse themselves with petrol and strike a match?

The list of Osmania University alumni is illustrious: from former Prime Minister PV Narasimha Rao to former India cricket captain Mohammad Azharuddin, filmmakers Shyam Benegal and Nagesh Kukunoor to cricket writer Harsha Bhogle. The names that university authorities don’t trumpet could hold a clue to its character: Maoist Central Committee member Sudhakar Reddy, who was killed in an encounter in Warangal in 2009, was a former student; major leaders of the Maoist insurgency such as Muppala Laxman Rao alias Ganapathi and Mallojula Koteshwar Rao alias Kishanji have old links with the university’s student leaders, and have found shelter at its hostels many times.

Students of the university have always been at the front of various social movements in the state, from peasant opposition to the zamindari system to the Naxal movement. “Student leaders, professors, thinkers and philosophers directed and gave fillip to various movements. And through all these years, the demand for Telangana remained the focal point. But violence was rare,’’ says Hyderabad-based writer and analyst I Venkat Rao. That changed in 1969, when the Centre withdrew special benefits guaranteed to Telangana when it merged with Andhra Pradesh in 1956, and the campus erupted in anger. The movement spread to the entire region of Telangana. At least 360 students were killed in police firing and violence. The flames of that agitation have not been doused.

Every year, thousands of students from remote villages and small towns of Telangana come to Osmania for a university education. They work in catering firms, serve food at weddings, and do odd jobs on film sets because their parents cannot afford to send them money for their studies. “If a student says he is from Adilabad or Nalgonda, you can be sure that his parents are farm labourers, that he walked miles to go to school, and that he struggled a lot to get here. He is determined to study hard, get a job and help his family come out of the wretchedness,’’ says B Surender Rao, an arts student from Sircilla, Karimnagar. Clad in a fading jeans and a crumpled shirt, Rao is a typical Telangana student. His parents live in Sircilla, a weaver town, and work in a textile dyeing unit. “My parents live in penury but they toil to support me and my brother who is in junior college. I want to take up a good job and help the family. I want to ensure that they do not have to work anymore,’’ he says.


It is a dream that can sour quite soon. For the thousands of Telangana students who pass out every year, even a university education is not a ticket to a better life. There are no jobs to go back to in Telengana. Except for Hyderabad and Warangal, Telangana has no other city or town that is developed. In Hyderabad, mainly the hub of IT and pharma companies, the odds are stacked against them: many of them come from Telugu-medium schools and are uncomfortable with English. They also have to compete not just with students from Andhra Pradesh, but from the rest of the country. One of their main grievances is that 80 per cent of government jobs in Telangana (nearly two lakh) have gone to people from Coastal Andhra or Rayalaseema. “The fear is that we will end up going back to villages with our degrees but continue to work in the fields or do odd jobs. All Telangana students feel that if they have their own state, things might change. And so they become politically active,’’ Rao says.

Osmania is one of the largest universities in the country, with over 3 lakh students in nearly 1,000 affiliated colleges. Around 15,000 students study at the main Hyderabad campus. There are hundreds of students from north India, Maharashtra, West Bengal, and other states. There are at least 650 foreign students from 46 countries pursuing post-graduate courses this year. All of this makes the university a multilingual and multicultural hub.

But since 2000, the profile of the campus has changed significantly. The majority of students, especially in the arts and commerce faculties, belong to Scheduled Caste, Scheduled Tribe and OBC communities — and they are the ones leading from the front. “Only the science faculty has a few students from educated and upper-class families. It is among the students from the socially and economically backward classes that passion for Telangana runs very high,’’ says P Ravi, a student of Telugu literature and member of TSJAC.

It is also, unsurprisingly, a campus divided: between Telangana students and those from other parts of the country. Especially because the agitation has affected studies and led to exams being postponed many times. “It does not concern them. So, they are not interested or bothered about the agitation. We understand their problem,’’ says leader of Telangana Rashtra Samithi’s youth wing M Suman, “but they should also respect our sentiments.” There is too much on the line to step back, the students say. “Everything is at stake for Telangana students,” says C Narasimha, a student.

For the moment, though, there is a fragile quiet on campus. The students are back in their hostels; classrooms are empty; the police wait outside tetchily. But there is no doubt that another face-off is not far away. “This generation knows that if we don’t make Telangana happen, our lives will remain the same — backward and poor. That is why we are willing to fight tooth and nail,’’ says Marri Vijay Kumar, an arts student.
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You can see the seeds of "dochukunnaru" being planted in the campus. The vast majority of the students don't get jobs after graduation and this is blamed on the settlers.

Also OU campus has professional students like T Mallikarjun, former student leader of the earlier T agitation who parlayed that to a career in the Central ministry. Most post graduate students are ~35 years and above and stay in hostels and brain wash the gullible rural youth who came to study and find a better life. The Uty administration/faculty factions are in cahoots and keep them on campus as shock troops to be used to settle scores among the factions! They grant them scholarships and put them in easy majors so they have ample time for politciking and agitations. Quite few new wave Telugu movies show this reality of professional campus scholar/goondas.
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nvishal, thanks for sharing that article. It is in line with my thoughts but also did bring couple of other new aspects.
A few of my relatives are strong supporters of telangana. One of them graduated from JNTU hyd about 15 yrs back. I believe that the current movement is mainly a political game (dont know about it in the past) for looting the immense wealth opportunities from the economic growth. Having said that, I also believe that there are some genuine grievances that need to be addressed. However these do not justify/warrant a division of state considering the pros and cons from such move for the telugu people on the whole and in the long run. With this belief i try to sway my relatives' opinion. My relatives partly agree that the politicians who are leading this agitation are doing for personal gains, but are okay with as long as it is our (telangana) people eating and remains here, as vishnua mentioned in one of his posts. Couple of points my relative (JNTU grad and worked from dubai) made were - 1) His observation that most telangana people are not able to derive the same level (reasonable) of benefits for similar effort compared to their andhra peers due to their advantage in having the network of people, right connections in the state machinery and financial power. The local people are getting stuck at the lower to middle levels, whether in public or private sector. 2) Impact on the local culture. The local rituals, practices, language etc are losing out with over emphasis and promotion of the others. 3) Lack of development projects in the rural belt and agricultural economy.

Keeping the above in view, any solution to satisfy just the politicians alone will not be a lasting solution for united Andhra. The issue will creep up again in future, especially when there is significant impact to the demographics. It will bring up social issues. Globalization and economy may make it a mute point but we dont know and cannot ignore it. I feel and believe there should be more integration of people in all the regions. This can occur only when people move in both directions and not just one way. This the govt has to facilitate.
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Dsreedhar and others. About local customs getting swamped out. Last night we had a Pongal dinner at home. One of our Telangana friends asked if could bring some "chaddulu"? I said sure why not. And sure enough it was fantastic series of rice dishes like "gus-gusalu", putnala pappu, coconut rices. We has lemon rice and chakkara pongalli. The rest of the people related to that it was an enriching experience.
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Local culture is not going to be an issue sir. Any and everything is made an issue by politicos and radicalised OU gangs. I agree that in private sector the networking helps. But as for as IT is conerned I dont think that one is the case as there is (was) lot of requirement and people are comming to Hyd from all over the nation.
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There is a speculation in media that Congress high command is going to take a firm decision on future of Andhra Pradesh by end of this month . We can only speculate what that would be. However let us hope that any decision is not dropped like a bomb and plunge the region into deep turmoil. One would hope that there are no more PC dramatics like 'the formation of T has begun', instead he should first reveal all the implementation details of any option they chose. Considering the sensitivity of this issue, choosing any option with more dramatics and less details, would be a disaster. If they don't have all the implementation details, then defer it until they have. However, if they decide to continue the status quo, then it is a different case altogether.
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Dasari wrote:There is a speculation in media that Congress high command is going to take a firm decision on future of Andhra Pradesh by end of this month . We can only speculate what that would be. However let us hope that any decision is not dropped like a bomb and plunge the region into deep turmoil. One would hope that there are no more PC dramatics like 'the formation of T has begun', instead he should first reveal all the implementation details of any option they chose. Considering the sensitivity of this issue, choosing any option with more dramatics and less details, would be a disaster. If they don't have all the implementation details, then defer it until they have. However, if they decide to continue the status quo, then it is a different case altogether.
Best thing Centeral Congress can do is status-quo with some future promise of state/SRC and by maintaining carrot for Telangana and stick for non-Telangana. If T-vadis antagonize Congress they can forget state for a few decades and at the same time non-T antagonizes they can face Congress wrath with threat of split. At this time all Tvadis can aspire for is a T-state without Greater Hyderabad. To get something they need to lose more.

Any discussion on details are triangular matter. What is good for a region is not agreeable to another. How are they going to distribute water will be complicated one given recent judgment which made water a moving target to agree on one aspect. There needs to be another committee for how to split and what is agreeable to all.
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The Congress high command is holding an urgent meeting with Seemandhra MPs on Jan 20th. This is the first time that SA MPs rush to Delhi after SKC submitted the report. Also they called Rosiah immediately to Delhi. Combine this with the News that Congress high command has decided to take a decisive action on separate T, is it a case of high command pressurizing SA MPs to accept separation ?
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The indications are status quo for present. They may do some symbolic but non dramatic steps like giving minister posts, appointing AG from telanagan (already done) and so on. Unfortunately INC being party inwith national level stakes has to look beyond Telangana agitation. There is Vidharbha, Gurkaland ( and Alagiri's Madhurai state ha ha ha) etc flames which can burn the prospects of INC into ashes if they handle Telangana badly. Naxal takeover of Telangana ( which means Hyderabad) is also seems to be a serious considaration. Further as per the belief of the Delhi gang, Jagan gang is weak in Telangana. So they need that area to balance his gains in rest of the AP. Any dramatic actions will be met with what has happend in December 10th of 2009. Rest of the AP MPs have an option in Jagan gang and also financially more strong then Telangana MP's. So they can blackmail Delhi gang. Pranab is known to be anti telangana man (may be due to his fear of Gurkhaland demand) and he is now incharge.
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The seemingly overwhelming command and remote control the INC has over national media - where inimical news can be blacked out completely by fiat (e.g., in the demolished mosque row) appears to be strangely absent in the AP-T row. Thanks to a proliferation of vernacular channels and politically affiliated channels (sakshi etc).

So, on the balance, more the tv channels even if openly partisan, the better. Makes it harder for elitemen to collude and suppress inconvenient truths. only.
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All non-T MPs are for United Andhra. They conveyed that if Congress divides state it will be wiped out.

http://www.eenadu.net/archives/archive- ... panel1.htm

So non-political member committee said to keep state united. Political majority said to keep it united.
Only remains is shrill of Tvadis to push division.
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^Seemandhra always had a democratic leverage over telangana and they will successfully oppose the bill in the parliament. That is expected and telangana protagonists want that to happen.

"Alliances" are both an asset and a liability.

Naxals are more likely to get recruits if telangana is not formed.
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nvishal wrote:^Seemandhra always had a democratic leverage over telangana and they will successfully oppose the bill in the parliament. That is expected and telangana protagonists want that to happen.

"Alliances" are both an asset and a liability.

Naxals are more likely to get recruits if telangana is not formed.
Hence we should give T instead of fighting Naxals. It is a funny national discource these days:
(1) Naxals will do !@#!@#!@# so we should give-in to them and give T
(2) Paki-Terror will rise its head in valley and hence we should not fly Indian falg but Paki flag is fine.

What is the use of a nation, culture and rule of law etc if this is the type of argumentation that takes mainstream? This is a clear encouragement of blakmailing the nation to take decisions on behalf of blackmailers.

T-Movement started with partial treatment by Andhras, then rhetorically made it as independence from Andhra-thieves. Sri Krishna commission disproved all such fancy theories with proof. Yes T is backward when compared the deltas and that is fact of life but discrimination-NO.

Now the next line is already started - naxals will increase. I say -my foot- for that argument. Put more funds to Greyhounds and insas will take care of them.

Nation cannot give into blackmailers.

T can still form for other reasons and definitely should not be allowed if it is for this crap.
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And let Naxals contest in elections and get to decide how the resoruces/money will be spent. Cant blackmail showing them as the threat while the current gang loots.
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Many cripto naxals are already in politics in AP. Take Paritala Ravi (Ananthapur dist - Vivek obrai charactor in Rakthacharithra movie) . This thread itself mantioned many people who are naxals and in politics now. The method of the naxals seems to have political activities of open support to naxals and their agenda by front organisations. Even BJP leaders are sitting with people like Gaddar in some meetings. Many MLA's etc in Telangana areas have no guts to say anything against naxals and support their cause for safety even now.

The model of having naxals in politics is mililar to they being in Universities etc and acting as NGO Jholawalas. In Gachigolli Maharastra many village surpaches are said to naxal fronts.
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Court notice spells fresh trouble for Jagan, his firms
It was the main opposition Telugu Desam Party (TDP), which had long been trying to expose the young businessman-politician for his ill-gotten wealth during the reign of his father, but now the ruling Congress party, which was once defending him, is out to target him on the same issue.
With Jagan recently resigning from the Congress party, deciding to float a new outfit and openly challenging the government with the support of over two dozen legislators, political observers say Congress now appears to have decided to hit back.
Rao, a bitter critic of the late YSR and his son, pointed out in his letter that Jagan's assets, which were only Rs.11 lakh in March 2004, had now gone up to Rs.43,000 crore. YSR, who became chief minister in 2004, died in a helicopter crash Sep 2, 2009, a few months after he assumed office for the second term.

Treating Rao's letter as a writ petition, a division bench of the high court Monday issued notices to Jagan, his newspaper Sakshi, Indira Television, his companies Carmel Asia Holdings Limited, Sandur Power and to 43 entities and individuals who invested in Jagan's companies. Notices were also issued to the CBI and six government departments.

The court gave three weeks' time to the respondents and posted the next hearing to Feb 14.
Jagan is floating his new party on Feb 15.

One of my frineds who is from AP said that Jagan is spending money like crazy- few crores daily!! to keep up the pressure on cong govt, retain people etc. He has enough money to last till next elections whenever they are held.
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As per the rumus mill Jagan is spending 2 Cr per day. He got lot of cash and is spending it now when there is heat on. Similar is the case of TRS lot of extorsion money and is being spent on organising attacks on the ministers etc doing public meetings. Seems to be a mathc fixing between Congress and TDP to keep matter cool and continue the governament for some more time. In fact as long as possible.
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KVP apparently has not given 1400 cr to Jagan and left for Dubai. dont know how much is true
http://www.greatandhra.com/viewnews.php ... 15&scat=16
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Narayana Rao wrote:As per the rumus mill Jagan is spending 2 Cr per day. He got lot of cash and is spending it now when there is heat on. Similar is the case of TRS lot of extorsion money and is being spent on organising attacks on the ministers etc doing public meetings. Seems to be a mathc fixing between Congress and TDP to keep matter cool and continue the governament for some more time. In fact as long as possible.
At that rate, he will spend 730 crores per year. For 3 years, he needs approximately 2200 crores. Does he have that much cash to burn? In the end, can he maintain the people's interest for 3 years?
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^ If rumors were correct, he can spend ~30-50 years at that rate :P
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As per Naxals influence and in this case P. Ravi' s case it was his father who started that. This is not due to the fact that they sympatize with naxals agenda but to gian some muscle power due to faction rivarly in their respective villages.

This especially true around Dharavaram taluk in Anantapur dist etc...

NTR took Ravi under TDP knowing very well as to where his "power" comes from. You would surprised how much Ravi was worth.

Again, ppl tend to leverage whatever they can to "move up" the society ladder.

As per AP BJP leaders the less said the better.

Actually, naxals contesting elections may not be bad idea as long as their ability to threaten people with physicial damage is reduced. This is especially true in the long run in AP. This is where economic development will play significant role. Once people see the fruits of it naxals can kiss good bye. This with combination of programs like using greyhounds will solve the problem relatively quickly. That is similar to what YSR was doing. The only difference was that YSR did not do actual development but provided loans and implemented schems to write off loans in a fiscally irresponsible way to farmers.

Watch waht CBN is doing now exclusively focuing on farmers issues.

Last target the funding soruces of "intellectuals" who support naxals and you will see significant change.

You can go and ask anyone either be it samll farmer (who owns acre or 2 )or labourer who was poor back then i..e 80's and 90's and now can afford John deer tractor and John deer crop cutting machine each around 5 to 6 lakhs due to various reasons about naxals. That will give you true picture of support naxals have.
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Today KCR said that all Andhra people are Rakhasa people and they are shameless and not going out of Telangana evenafter getting spit on their faces.There was lot of cheers to him when he made the statement and Tv channels like TV9 and TV5 which recorded the same were not ready to show the recording. This shows the kind of fear TRS inspite on the press particularly on TV Channels.

Some times I seriously wonder if KCR really wants to have Telangana or KCR is now too much intoxicated with the feeling of power.
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The latest news is that PRP (Chiranjeevi party) is joining the ministry by giving support to Congress. With support from 16 MLAs from PRP and 7 MLAs from MIM, Congress is extending their majority to withstand any jolt from YS Jagan. With this consolidation, they may even have the luxury of suspending some MLAs from Jagan group and give strong message to any fence sitters. There is also a rumor that Chiru may even merge the party with Congress depending on what kind of positions that PRP leaders get.

This is perhaps the best indication so far that separate T will not be formed and it may not be in the agenda in 2014.
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I think PRP will merge with Inc and then high command will start operation Jagan. MIM will give outside support if push comes to shove.

Looks like INC want to hold the state, while it goes for mid-term polls in center. The FDI fleeing eroding indian wealth is an indicator.

This is the right time for INC to gain maximum MPS from the state, instead of 2014.
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I have a doubt if PRP can treansfer the votes to COngress
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