NEW DELHI: French Defence Minister Jean Yves Le Drian is set to arrive here on September 22 along with CEOs of Dassault Aviation, Thales and MBDA to seal the 7.87 billion Euros deal for 36 Rafale fighter jets.
Defence sources said if all goes well, the Inter Governmental Agreement (IGA) will be signed on September 23.
Never never. This thread should never be closed. There are still so many things to discuss prices, specs, kickbacks, alternatives, killing Tejas, reviving Tejas, Killing AMCA, reviving AMCA, Russians will feel bad, give Americans a chance, give the Swedes a chance, why not Eurofighter, cut the Rafale order, enhance the Rafale order, Egypt got them cheaper, we got them cheaper, Make in India, communalism in defence deals, gauraksha, khat pe charcha, integrating Russian weapons, integrating Brahmos, testing Garuda and Gruthma on Rafale, integrating Astra, Killing Astra, reviving Astra. Even 20 years is not enough for the MMRCA discussionramana wrote:We should close this thread once deal is signed.
shiv wrote:Never never. This thread should never be closed. There are still so many things to discuss prices, specs, kickbacks, alternatives, killing Tejas, reviving Tejas, Killing AMCA, reviving AMCA, Russians will feel bad, give Americans a chance, give the Swedes a chance, why not Eurofighter, cut the Rafale order, enhance the Rafale order, Egypt got them cheaper, we got them cheaper, Make in India, communalism in defence deals, gauraksha, khat pe charcha, integrating Russian weapons, integrating Brahmos, testing Garuda and Gruthma on Rafale, integrating Astra, Killing Astra, reviving Astra. Even 20 years is not enough for the MMRCA discussionramana wrote:We should close this thread once deal is signed.
Al-hakimi remains unsurpassed 
Very talk of closing this thread causes in me withdrawal symptoms 
At least wait till the deal is formally announced, and its contours become clear.ramana wrote:It will be new saga after the deal is signed.
Time to retire this thread.
Thanks for feedback.
ramana
Rafales for the Indian Air Force will be tailor-made fighters. The $2 Billion customizations include:
~ Integration and testing of Indian weapons, HMDS and targeting pod
Indian weapons customization includes Astra BVRAAM, Brahmos-NG ALCM and other munitions under development including PGMs and NGARM.
The costs will include integration and testing which is very expensive and time consuming as each change will have to be validated for RCS and SPECTRA suite’s calibration among other normal tests like separation, configuration etc. It also includes the cost of integrating the Topsight HMDS and Litening pod.
~ Higher thrust/ Improved engine
IAF wanted a higher thrust than the current 75KN wet thrust. Dassault/Snecma proposed the M-88-3/4E upgrade which would increase the thrust to 90KN which would translate to increased overall performance including an additional 1 Ton payload from the original 9 Ton, without compromising on fuel efficiency and life of the engine.
The improvement is done in such a way that the air-intakes doesn’t need a design change.
~ High altitude and Hot desert performance increase
The engine upgrade was the result of IAF requirements that the Rafale should be able to operate in both these conditions without losing performance, and payload capacity.
This translated to the overall aircraft and engines being modified to withstand searing temperatures and sand ingestion while operating in the western frontier as well as bone chilling cold while retaining its ability for short take-off with payload while operating out of Leh-Ladakh.
~ Anti-corrosion/ Harsh weather treatments
Indian jets are prone to a large variation in climatic condition while operating in different parts of the country.
This can adversely affect the aircraft’s life and availability. IAF has taken a leaf out of its experience in operating older jets under these condition and want the Rafales covered for these situation. The MKI fiasco was another reason why this clause was added to the requirements.
Definite nonsense. India is buying Rafales in the spec F3R configuration with the existing M88-4E engines. The proposed 90 kN engine required modifications to the air intake.~ Higher thrust/ Improved engine
IAF wanted a higher thrust than the current 75KN wet thrust. Dassault/Snecma proposed the M-88-3/4E upgrade which would increase the thrust to 90KN which would translate to increased overall performance including an additional 1 Ton payload from the original 9 Ton, without compromising on fuel efficiency and life of the engine.
The improvement is done in such a way that the air-intakes doesn’t need a design change.
~ High altitude and Hot desert performance increase
The engine upgrade was the result of IAF requirements that the Rafale should be able to operate in both these conditions without losing performance, and payload capacity.
Although I am not in favor of this hammer, this is a different hammer for a different nail. This is to keep foreign states at bay and misadventure. This seems like what was proposed for the strategic command decade ago.MohdKav wrote:Whats the point of all the shiny toys, when 4 idiots in camo can cross over the border and kill at will.
I have had it to the hilt
The admin of that page is slowly showing his depth, rather the lack thereof.Manish_Sharma wrote: https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
Mig 29K can't even handle fuel tank properly, leave our Brahmost Missile :Philip wrote:BMos NG or BMos-M,the smaller lighter version ,will also be carried by MIG-29/Ks as well....
Sure and we all feel your pain but we don't get your attitude.MohdKav wrote:Whats the point of all the shiny toys, when 4 idiots in camo can cross over the border and kill at will.
I have had it to the hilt
My response hereMohdKav wrote:Whats the point of all the shiny toys, when 4 idiots in camo can cross over the border and kill at will.
I have had it to the hilt
about 218 million euros per plane including armament + spares + maintenance + 50% offset.New Delhi: The government has cleared the much anticipated deal with France for 36 Rafale fighter jets which will cost 7.878 billion Euros and will be signed on Friday in the presence of French Defence Minister Jean Yves Le Drian.
Defence sources said that deal for the aircraft, the first fighter jet deal in 20 years, comes with a saving of nearly 750 million Euros than the UPA era one, which was scrapped by the Narendra Modi government, besides a 50 percent offset clause.
This means business worth at least three billion Euros for Indian companies, both big and small, and generating hundreds of jobs in India through offsets. The Rafale fighter jets, deliveries of which will start in 36 months and finished in 66 months from the date contract is inked, comes equipped with state-of-the-art missiles like Meteor and Scalp that will give the IAF a capability that had been sorely missing in its arsenal.
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The contract for the deal was already cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security earlier. The price of the contract was fixed in May, sources said. Sources said the "vanila price" (just the 36 aircraft) is about 3.42 billion Euros. The armaments cost about 710 million Euros while Indian specific changes, including integration of Israeli helmet mounted displays, will cost 1700 million Euros.
Rest of the cost include spare parts, maintenance among others. Besides other features that make the Rafale a strategic weapon in the hands of the IAF is the Beyond Visual Range Meteor air-to-air missile with a range in excess of 150 km. Its integration on the Rafale jets will mean the IAF can hit targets inside both Pakistan and across the northern and eastern borders while still staying within India's own territorial boundary.
PARIS — A prospective Indian order of the Dassault Aviation Rafale fighter jet is representative of offering long-term ties with France, a link that would help strengthen French security interests in the Indian Ocean, said Camille Grand, the next NATO assistant secretary general for defense investment.
Grand, who is currently the director of the think tank Fondation pour la Recherche Stratégique, will leave FRS and take up the post at NATO on Oct. 4, succeeding Patrick Auroy, a former senior official of Direction Générale de l’Armement, the French procurement office.
The NATO brief for Grand includes management of three key programs, namely ballistic missile defense, alliance ground surveillance, and the next-generation airborne warning and control system.
“For France, India is of major importance,” Camille told Defense News. A deal with India, a major power, is “very special as India has been a customer since the early 1980s,” he said. Dassault initially pitched its Mirage 2000 before offering the Rafale in New Delhi’s search for medium multirole combat aircraft.
“We’re close to a conclusion,” he said. The negotiations have been extremely complex, reflecting organizational complexity of the Indian government. A deal would open the door to long-term cooperation, as India will not stop at 36 units and intends to develop a fighter fleet over time. “I remain optimistic, and very cautious on the timeline,” he said. {I think this is a reasonable expectation. While it may not directly contribute to Make in India but the offset will make up to a certain extent.}
A pick by the Indian Air Force would be a major reference for the Rafale, which has already won deals with Egypt and Qatar, he said.
Winning an arms deal with New Delhi also has a geopolitical significance as France has long-standing defense and security interests in the Indian Ocean, along with India and Australia, he said.
France sees a role in the Pacific — a view shared by Britain — although that is more limited than the US interest. But the countries in the Asia-Pacific region are keen to see a European engagement, to rely not solely on the US.
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On the media leak on the DCNS Scorpene submarine for India, there are “dirty tricks” in the arms business, with the leaks often arriving at a sensitive time in negotiations, Grand said. Australia is right to ask for tight security procedures and it remains to be seen if the Indian submarine has truly been compromised.
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