Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 14 May 2014 11:27

Victor wrote:I'd be watching with great interest which countries NaMo decides to visit before he goes to NYC for UN meeting later this year as the leader of World's Largest Democracy. My list in order of visit is:
1. Japan
2. Russia
3. China
4. Iran
5. Vietnam, Mongolia, S. Korea, Singapore
6. Germany
7. Brazil
8. France
9. UK
10. US

I hope he never visits the US.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 14 May 2014 11:30

LokeshC wrote:The leftwing,west-phillic and islamophillic fascist will already have planned their next moves by now. One Mr. Poonwallah has decided to move to countercurrents.org. Expect such comparisons with Hitler and the accusation of 'dictator' to reach a fever pitch pretty soon:

http://www.countercurrents.org/poonawalla120514.htm

This is a subliminal signal to the western elites that India is in dire straits and in need of interference from the west.

The old man of 'poonawalkah' stables - perhaps daddy dearest of Shehzad and Tehseen, said in a TV interview and I paraphrase- the Hindu is docile so we are able to get away with display of wealth. God help us when he awakens.

Unfortunately I cannot find a youtube clip.

However from the same interview here is a Anita Ambani clip showing how clueless these rich people are.

http://youtu.be/bftCjs6CjqU

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 14 May 2014 11:41

Sumeet wrote:I agree with whoever said LKA should be President. Can someone tweet this idea to BJP leadership and Mrs Lekhi ?

I would prefer to see Dr. Kalam again as President. LKA would be the same to NDA as Pranab was to UPA - i.e. pissed off at being moved to a position without (much) power. He could prove spiteful and try putting a hurdle in any moves made by NDA.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 14 May 2014 11:42

Rahul M wrote:
Victor wrote:I'd be watching with great interest which countries NaMo decides to visit before he goes to NYC for UN meeting later this year as the leader of World's Largest Democracy. My list in order of visit is:
1. Japan
2. Russia
3. China
4. Iran
5. Vietnam, Mongolia, S. Korea, Singapore
6. Germany
7. Brazil
8. France
9. UK
10. US
I hope he never visits the US.

+1000.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 May 2014 11:43

ShankarCag wrote:On a serious note those that send these posts to Namo's team please take note of this skullduggery that is happening right in front of our eyes.
In a first, collegium moots two lawyers as Supreme Court judges
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 078900.cms
Both Subramaniam and Nariman have been AGs/SGs and are needed for questioning in 2G and Coal scams. In this respect four SC judges conspiring to get these people out of the line of inquiry is a bit dubious. One could even demand their impeachment.

This Collegium Business of appointing SC /HC judges by SC Judges has to stop. They have misappropriated the powers which was never there in the Constitution in the first place. I hope NaMo looks into some mechanism like Appointments Commission for Judges which would recommend the panel of names so that this incestuous mechanism worked out by SC Judges is put to rest.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 14 May 2014 11:45

Rahul M wrote:
Victor wrote:I'd be watching with great interest which countries NaMo decides to visit before he goes to NYC for UN meeting later this year as the leader of World's Largest Democracy. My list in order of visit is:
1. Japan
2. Russia
3. China
4. Iran
5. Vietnam, Mongolia, S. Korea, Singapore
6. Germany
7. Brazil
8. France
9. UK
10. US
I hope he never visits the US.

+1000

niran · Post by **niran** » 14 May 2014 11:46

Sumeet wrote:I agree with whoever said LKA should be President. Can someone tweet this idea to BJP leadership and Mrs Lekhi ?

fikar not saar, this has been the plan since 1-1.5 years ago and me had posted about it here when the thread was in 2 digits onree.
(no one pats me back!! will do a self pat) susuma most proily will be videsh mantra with a mandate to visit each and every country
within an year. so she will be absent from MSM :mucho relief on ears, no?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 14 May 2014 11:47

Modi should NEVER visit USA! Maybe he can have a 1-1 with the US Prez by installing 3D booths both in 7RCR and the White House.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 14 May 2014 11:48

Whatever don't make Sushma the I&B minister, 18 saal purana KLPD abhi bhi yaad hai

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 14 May 2014 11:49

harbans wrote:Modi should NEVER visit USA! Maybe he can have a 1-1 with the US Prez by installing 3D booths both in 7RCR and the White House.

In fact Obomber should be denied visa to visit india because of his awful human rights record

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 14 May 2014 11:49

harbans wrote:Modi should NEVER visit USA! Maybe he can have a 1-1 with the US Prez by installing 3D booths both in 7RCR and the White House.

Free Skype Call, via mobile.

niran · Post by **niran** » 14 May 2014 11:53

ShankarCag wrote:^^^Digvijay Singh !!!

digy is a court jester, Sakuni was supposed to be amongst the most intelligent men of his era.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 May 2014 11:53

LKA would be a disaster, he would probably keep sulking for the whole term, and with a frown face great every state guest

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 14 May 2014 11:54

Modi and Putin should jointly visit Crimea and issue a joint statement announcing a new currency replacing Dollar.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 14 May 2014 12:02

krishnan wrote: with a frown face great every state guest

I some how think that would be a good thing.

negi · Post by **negi** » 14 May 2014 12:07

Mahendra wrote:Whatever don't make Sushma the I&B minister, 18 saal purana KLPD abhi bhi yaad hai

Sirr MMJ ko bana denge

; phir Astha jaise 10 channel aur dekhne padenge.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 14 May 2014 12:15

Breaking:Curfew imposed in Hyderabad Old City. Stone pelting and street fighting between Muslims and Sikhs. More info will update..
This is just the beginning of challenges and booby traps for Modi to handle. Results haven't been declared and we already have first shot fired from Owaisi. Sign of things to come?
Unfortunate. Some Muslims died in police clashes. This will go up..

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 14 May 2014 12:16

Mahendra wrote:Whatever don't make Sushma the I&B minister, 18 saal purana KLPD abhi bhi yaad hai

No ftv, bhajans in trains

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 14 May 2014 12:17

negi wrote:
Mahendra wrote:Whatever don't make Sushma the I&B minister, 18 saal purana KLPD abhi bhi yaad hai
Sirr MMJ ko bana denge ; phir Astha jaise 10 channel aur dekhne padenge.

Teri shaadi ho chuki hain, ab tu astha hi dekh

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 May 2014 12:18

12:52 LIVE! BJP top brass to decide LK Advani's fate today: Top BJP leaders, including its president Rajnath Singh, his predecessor Nitin Gadkari and Leader of the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley, will be meeting Narendra Modi in Gandhinagar today to discuss their party's strategy after the counting of votes for the Lok Sabha polls. Rajnath Singh and Gadkari met Sushma Swaraj earlier this morning.

Among the issues that is likely to be taken up for deliberations is to craft a proper role for the party patriarch, L K Advani, commensurate with his stature and standing. It is believed that the exercise has been undertaken at the behest of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or the RSS, the BJP's ideological mentor. -- NDTV

rediff

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 14 May 2014 12:24

niran wrote:
ShankarCag wrote:^^^Digvijay Singh !!!
digy is a court jester, Sakuni was supposed to be amongst the most intelligent men of his era.

Fully agree. I would say Shakuni Mama is MSM and/or foreign funded NGOs

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 14 May 2014 12:28

Who is Kejriwal ? -- Shikhandi ?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 May 2014 12:29

Big win in Lok Sabha polls may not end NDA anxiety in Rajya Sabha

Devil is in details. NDA needs majority in RS as well and it currently does not have. hence there is no point in burning bridges at this time. Crucial states and NI doesn't have BJP numbers in RS from them. Need to Build up organisation from grounds up by participating in local bodies and building local cadre and getting local leaders. The first five years term , I would suggest not to have many hopes as BJP would be firefighting the remnants of Dienasty and hangers-on and friendly forces jousting for their share of crumbs in the pie.

The exit poll indicators might be music to the ears of the BJP, but the task of governance may turn out to be rather a bumpy ride for the new government. The reason: The BJP-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA) does not have adequate numbers in the Rajya Sabha to enable it to get important legislation passed.

Of the existing House strength of 240 members (with five vacancies), the strength of the BJP-led NDA accumulates to 64 — well short of the half-way mark of 121.

If the numbers predicted by the exit polls hold, the NDA will find it extremely difficult to reverse the numbers game to its advantage in the short run.

Besides the existing five vacancies, 12 new vacancies will be created in the council of states this year.

Seven of these vacancies will arise in Uttar Pradesh, two in Karnataka and one each in Uttarakhand, Mizoram and Arunachal Pradesh.

While it will be a tall order for the BJP or NDA partners to win these seats, even the hypothetical possibility of winning all these seats will not take the coalition to the majority mark.

Essentially, the NDA coalition will need to heavily lean on the support of regional parties, including Mamata Banerjee’s Trinamool Congress or Jayalalitha’s AIADMK, to get the Rajya Sabha’s sanction on the legislation it proposes.

“The situation might turn out to be quite problematic,” said an observer.

The AIADMK has 10 members in the Rajya Sabha against 12 of the TMC, 14 of the BSP, nine of the SP, six of the BJD, nine of the CPM and two of the CPI.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 14 May 2014 12:31

Sumeet wrote:Who is Kejriwal ? -- Shikhandi ?

Definitely not. Shikhandi was on Pandavas' side. You would need to find another role for Kejri.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 May 2014 12:32

Sumeet wrote:Who is Kejriwal ? -- Shikhandi ?

No Shikhandi was on Dharmic side. He is Aswasthama.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 14 May 2014 12:35

niran wrote:
Sumeet wrote:I agree with whoever said LKA should be President. Can someone tweet this idea to BJP leadership and Mrs Lekhi ?
fikar not saar, this has been the plan since 1-1.5 years ago and me had posted about it here when the thread was in 2 digits onree.
(no one pats me back!! will do a self pat) susuma most proily will be videsh mantra with a mandate to visit each and every country
within an year. so she will be absent from MSM :mucho relief on ears, no?

susuma ji does not like to be bidesh mantri? circulating paid khabar for raksha mantri, paswan circulating kahabar for rail/agri mantri.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 May 2014 12:35

krishnan wrote:LKA would be a disaster, he would probably keep sulking for the whole term, and with a frown face great every state guest

LKA should be declared a state pest. Just waiting for him to start his demanding antics again. He wants his willing daughter and equally eager son in the political business.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 May 2014 12:40

Shamlee wrote:
niran wrote: digy is a court jester, Sakuni was supposed to be amongst the most intelligent men of his era.
Fully agree. I would say Shakuni Mama is MSM and/or foreign funded NGOs

Shakuni is someone who is intelligent and in the centre stage yet not in the centre. He is the immediate cause of Mahabharata yet never in the limelight. Who could be this person in Present day Kuru vansha? The one who wears dark glasses? or the one who remains in the dark shadows of 10Sampath err Janpath? Your pick.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 14 May 2014 12:42

niran wrote:
ShankarCag wrote:^^^Digvijay Singh !!!
digy is a court jester, Sakuni was supposed to be amongst the most intelligent men of his era.

nothing of that sort, saar. Shakuni seems to be just another fellow in Dhuryodhana's coterie. Shakuni gave advice to Dhuryodhana that he liked which happened to be 'how to harm Paandavas'. Whenever Shakuni tried to gave some other sort of advices, Dhuryodhana did not listen to him.

It seems all sorts of mystique is attached to Shakuni in people's minds. People wonder what his motivations could be. People wonder what sort of a person he must be. People think that he is some sort of an evil genius. But all that seems to be unnecessary. Shakuni was just another ordinary fellow from a simply royalty who got into the powerful kuru court because of marriage of his sister(infact, the gaandharas may have agreed to marry their daughter to blind person because of the power that they may get by being associated with the kurus). It seems he knew some gambling tricks which he learnt in gaandhara. Other than that, there does not seem to be any big evil plan by Shakuni. All other plans to kill Paandavas were hatched by Dhuryodhana himself. Eg: poisoning Bheema, burning the lac house, ...etc.

Even in gambling, Shakuni's role is limited to the gambling. The rest of the scenario is dominated by Karna, Dhushasana and Dhuryodhana with connivance from Dhrutharaasthra.

It was Karna's idea to disrobe Dhraupadhi. Dhuryodhana liked the idea. And Dhushasana tried to implement it. Dhrutharashtra did not stop it. Shakuni has no role in her disrobing.

Also, Shakuni seems to love Dhuryodhana and tries to give advice that is liked by him. Stories doing rounds that Shakuni secretly hated the kurus because they killed his father and brother are not supported by Mahabhaaratha. According to Vyasa MB, Shakuni's father Subala was never killed by Dhuryodhana. He was hale and hearty. He even attended Yuddhishtira's raajasuya. So, that story is nonsense.

In conclusion, Shakuni seems to be a just ordinary fellow who was at good at gambling because he knew some tricks(or in simple terms, he cheated).

Altair wrote:Breaking:Curfew imposed in Hyderabad Old City. Stone pelting and street fighting between Muslims and Sikhs. More info will update..
This is just the beginning of challenges and booby traps for Modi to handle. Results haven't been declared and we already have first shot fired from Owaisi. Sign of things to come?
Unfortunate. Some Muslims died in police clashes. This will go up..

Whenever, the kongis are in power, there seem to be clashes in Hyd. TDP had controlled these clashes quite effectively. But obviously, they did not remove the root cause. As long as the root cause is not removed the malady will not be cured.

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MB seems to be complicated. Not everything is what it seems. For example, Karna was on dhaarmik side if one understands that he is an avthaar of Surya. So, Karna's role is to create confidence in Dhuryodhana to fight and then lead him to destruction. Of course, in the process Karna will also have to sacrifice himself. Whether Karna himself was aware of it or not is open to speculation but ultimately Karna helps the dharmik side. Abhimanyu's role is to earn fame. Krushna's mission is dharma samsthapanaya...

In a way, Dhuryodhana and Krushna have the same goal. Remember that Dhuryodhana is supposed to be an avathaar of Kali(not Kaali).

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Ideally, all those who played important role in the previous regime should not be part of the new regime. So, Jet-li, Sushy aunty, Joshiji, Loh Purush, ...etc should not be part of the plans. Let the new regime begin with a clean slate and chart a new course.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 14 May 2014 12:51

It seems Manly Mohan is a more successful and older version of Fordriwal.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 14 May 2014 13:22

From Twitter:

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 14 May 2014 13:23

johneeG wrote:It seems Manly Mohan is a more successful and older version of Fordriwal.

Exactly my thoughts.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 14 May 2014 13:30

harbans wrote:Modi should NEVER visit USA! Maybe he can have a 1-1 with the US Prez by installing 3D booths both in 7RCR and the White House.

Well, I think he should visit ONLY if there is fully honoured state dinner with address to joint sessions of US senate in HINDI and then visit to university campuses where he was denied access!
i.e he should get the full Monty!

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 14 May 2014 13:32

Enjoy Amit Shah ripping Sardesai. Some nice details of Amit Shah's magic in UP campaign in this video.

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/471637/exi ... -shah.html

NRIs/IIMs grads worked on this campaign were offered a token amount of Rs 800/month. Hats off to these dedicated Indic souls.

Video van visited each village twice saying Modi is coming.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 May 2014 13:37

What is this obsession with visiting US. This is not the biggest issue facing the nation. Us has to be treated as just another foreign nation. With the primary objective of strengthening the Indian Interests. Every thing else is secondary.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 14 May 2014 13:38

L K Advani for Speaker!
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ls-el ... 140514.htm

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 May 2014 13:41

ndtv

Sources: Narendra Modi may want NDA chairmanship, LK Advani keen on post of speaker

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 14 May 2014 13:46

negi wrote:
Mahendra wrote:Whatever don't make Sushma the I&B minister, 18 saal purana KLPD abhi bhi yaad hai
Sirr MMJ ko bana denge ; phir Astha jaise 10 channel aur dekhne padenge.

I propose Ratan Tata for President. Our only Non Political president was the most popular and non controversial one in recent memory. RT has done more for the country than MMJ and LKA put together.

Moreover it would be a good PR display to put a minority (Other than a Muslim) candidate as President for NaMo.

Sushi Aunty should be made minister of Earth Sciences While MMj can be minister for Culture.
LKA can be made Deputy Chairperson of Planning Commission.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 14 May 2014 14:19

Prithviraj Chauhan &Muhammad Ghori /Narendra Modi & Sonia Gandhi

It is worthwhile here to recount the story of Prithviraj Chauhan & Muhammad Ghori, because it has a strong moral for today.

Prithviraj Chauhan was born at Ajmer in 1166 A.D. & Muhammad Ghori in 1149 in Afghanistan. Ghori’s obsession was India, which he attacked savagely many times, though he was first routed in present day Gujarat ...by Rajputs and again in Kayadara near Mount Abu, in 1178 A.D. He then decided to enter India through the Khyber passe and first encountered Prithviraj Chauhan at the battle of Tarain in 1191. Prithviraj’s cavalry charged and routed the Muslim cavalry and captured Ghori. Ghori begged for his life & Prithviraj allowed him to go, despite his generals telling him not to do so.

And surely enough, the following year Ghori came again. Prithviraj advanced with his army and sent a letter to Ghori, asking him to turn back as he had been already defeated was spared his life. Ghori replied that he was in India on the orders of his brother, Ghiasuddin, and that he could only retreat after he got a word from him. This letter was sent in the evening and thereafter Ghori moved his camp back a few kilometres to feign retreat. On receiving this letter and seeing Muhammad move his camp back, Prithviraj assumed that Ghori got the message. But Ghori, knowing that Rajputs did not fight in the night, attacked in the early morning hours when Prithviraj and his army were sleeping and thus was able to win this one battle. 40, 00,000 Rajputs were taken prisoners and executed & 22,000 women and children were captured & enslaved.

Prithiviraj was beaten-up and taken in chains to Ghor in Afghanistan There, he was presented before Ghori and fearlessly looked straight into his eyes. Ghori who ordered him to lower his eyes, whereupon Prithiviraj told him how he had treated well Ghori as a prisoner and that the eyelids of a Rajputs are only lowered in death. On hearing this, Ghori flew into a rage and ordered that Prithviraj's eyes be burnt with red-hot iron rods.
Prithiviraj was regularly brought to the court to be taunted by Ghori and his courtiers and ultimately put to death.

There is a absolutely no doubt that Mr Narendra Modi is going to become India’s next PM. Will he, like a good Hindu, like Prithviraj Chauhan, forgive Mrs Sonia Gandhi, who has been mercilessly going after him for the last ten years, ruthlessly & shamelessly using the arms of the law, the CBI, the IB, the judiciary, compliant judges, the Election Commission, etc. ?

Don’t laugh: Mr Vajpayee did it before him. He came to power & could have done anything he wanted, but gave orders to leave Sonia Gandhi alone. His Friday man, Brajesh Mishra, is even said to have rescued Rahul Gandhi, when he was caught in the US with a suitcase full of dollars. Did it earn Sonia Gandhi’s gratitude? Not at all! The BJP lost the next elections, as Prithrivaj lost his next battle to Ghauri, and Mrs Gandhi mercilessly went all out after the BJP and Narendra Modi. If she could have had Mr Modi imprisoned, or maybe indirectly killed by Islamic terrorists, as nearly happened in Patna, Mrs Gandhi would not have shed a tear.

This is not about good or bad, as in the American cartoons. Certainly, Mrs Sonia Gandhi has qualities, otherwise she would not have earned so much respect from her peers in the Congress. But its still about truth and Dharma. The values Mrs Gandhi stands for – westernisation, socialism, anti-Hinduism, Marxism - are values which are inimical to India and harmful to her interests. Even if she is not in power anymore, she will be there watching and waiting in her fortress of 10 Janpath, & the dynasty syndrome which grips India, could allow Rahul to take over. Even if Rahul is not there, Pryanka might become the darling of Indians, always in love with the scions of their rulers, however worthless they are. Then, incumbency , boredom, desire of change, might allow the Congress to come back another time

It is thus important that Narendra Modi goes after Sonia Gandhi once the BJP is in power. There are plenty of legal justifications to do so: the Gandhi family have stolen from India huge amounts of money: in the Forbes list, Sonia Gandhi is listed one of the richest politicians in the world. Priyanka’s husband has unethically multiplied his fortune by 600 times in a few years. Moreover, this family who has ruined India since independence, and it has ruthlessly been after Hindus, side-lining them, ostracising them, imprisoning their gurus, allowing Islamists to bomb their temples & kill them.

The danger is that once Mr Narendra Modi becomes PM and comes to Delhi, it’s a whole different game from Gujarat. Here in this luxury ghetto that is Delhi, there will be so many buffers between him and the people of India, not only because of security concerns, but also because of the Nehruvian power apparatus, which he won’t be able to get rid off so easily & finally because Delhi is an artificial capital, far away physically and psychologically from the South and Central India. Sonia Gandhi may then appear then the least of his problems.

This is why a couple of us friendly journalists have suggested to him that he should constitute an independent Advisory Committee of journalists, of twelve members, friendly to the causes of the BJP, but not affiliated to any party. They will provide him with an outside window on how the people of India feel about his government once he is in power. For he BJP’s last tenure has proved three things: 1) That the Indian (and foreign press) do not really reflect the people’s sentiments; 2) That at some point the BJP lost sight of the Indian voters’ sentiments. 3) That the BJP tried to please the Indian press & foreign media (and failed). This committee should meet with the PM and his Cabinet once a month and its criticism or suggestions should be taken (or not) into account. The mandate of each member is for one year, to be renewed at his discretion.

May God protect Mr Modi & the mistake of Prithivaj Chauhan be not repeated

François Gautier

* Author of “ A history of India as it Happened” (Har Anand, New Delhi)

https://www.facebook.com/francoisgautierofficial#

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 14 May 2014 14:27

Careful and systematic destruction of mafia and its roots and its support structure is a must for Indic forces to service. The total destruction of mafia is the only way out otherwise no way we can service another bout of mafia rule.