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For Euro Zone, a Cyprus Exit Would Have Little Impact
A Cyprus exit from the euro union, if it comes to that, would have a devastating effect on the country’s citizens, who are among the most indebted in the euro zone. And for European unity and diplomacy, the Cyprus debacle has already been at least a short-term disaster.
From a financial standpoint, what is most noteworthy is that the combined debt of the Cypriot people, companies and government is 2.6 times the size of the country’s gross domestic product. Only Ireland, still struggling to recover from the banking collapse that required an international bailout in 2010, has a higher debt-to-G.D.P. ratio among euro zone countries.

As debts in Europe mount in inverse proportion to the ability of its citizens, companies and governments to make good on them, the view is forming in Berlin and Brussels that a signal must be sent that citizens and investors must start accepting losses for the euro zone to survive in the long run.
Eric Dor is a French economist who has studied the mechanics of how a country might remove itself from the monetary union. By his calculations, the euro zone — through its central banking system and its national banks — has just 27 billion euros in outstanding credit exposure to Cyprus. That is a mere rounding error compared with the euro zone G.D.P. of 9.4 trillion euros.

Estimates of the potential cost if Greece had been forced into a disorderly euro exit have ranged from 200 billion euros to 800 billion euros, given the larger exposure that the European Central Bank and European banks had to the country.
So when the president of Cyprus admitted this week that his country did not have the money to backstop the 30 billion euros of guaranteed bank deposits — a figure greater than the Cypriot economy itself — a crucial bond of trust between a government and its citizens was snapped.

“It is the first time ever that the leader of a euro zone country has admitted that he could not afford to pay the guarantee,” Mr. Dor said.
Analysts project that the de facto devaluation would be not only immediate — estimates range from 30 to 40 percent — but extremely punitive, given the high household and corporate debts that burden Cypriots.

That means that in addition to Cyprus’s defaulting on its debts, many individuals and small businesses, the backbone of the country’s economy, would go bankrupt and the country would face a depression that could rival Greece’s in its severity.


“You would see genuine poverty in a euro area country,” said Gabriel Sterne, an analyst at Exotix, a London-based investment bank that specializes in distressed debt.
The price of imported oil in particular would soar, with profound economic impact because oil is used to produce electricity that already costs more than almost anywhere else in Europe, according to Alexandros Apostolides, a local economist engaged in such a study.

Already, Mr. Apostolides, points out, there are hints that Cypriots are bracing for the inflation that would accompany a devalued pound: many proprietors demand cash, refusing to accept credit and debit cards.
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Cyprus: The Sum of All FUBAR - Krugman - In full
At this point the Cyprus situation is pretty clear — and clarity does not bring reassurance. In fact, it looks as if Cyprus has managed to combine in one place everything that has gone wrong elsewhere.

1. Runaway banking. Cyprus has a huge banking system — assets around 8 times GDP — based on a business model of attracting offshore money with high rates and good opportunities for tax avoidance/evasion.

I’ve done some asking around, and cleared up something that was puzzling me. Officially, only about 40 percent of the deposits in Cypriot banks are from nonresidents, which would imply resident deposits of almost 500 percent of GDP, which is crazy. But the answer is that I do not think that word “resident” means what you think it means. Some of the money is from wealthy expats living in Cyprus; much of it is from rich people who have resident status without, you know, actually living there. So we should think of Cypriot deposits as mainly coming from non-Cypriots, attracted by that business model.

And the business model only works until there’s a big loss somewhere; since Cypriot banks were investing in Greece and in their own domestic real estate bubble, doom was inevitable. Which brings me to:

2. Big domestic real estate bubble, Spain or Ireland-sized. Not yet fully deflated, which means lots more losses to come. And the combination of the real estate bubble and the income from dodgy banking also led to:

3. Massive overvaluation, with Cypriot prices and costs having risen much more than in the rest of the euro area. In 2008 the current account deficit was more than 15 percent of GDP!

What can be done? First off, Cypriot banks cannot honor their debts, which unfortunately overwhelmingly take the form of deposits. So a default on deposits is inevitable.

As I now understand it, the initial screwup was a joint error of the Europeans and the Cypriots. Europe didn’t want an explicit bank resolution, which would among other things have given clear seniority to small insured deposits; instead, it wanted this essentially fictitious tax scheme. Meanwhile, the Cypriot government still has the illusion that its banking model can survive, and wanted to limit the hit to the big overseas depositors. Hence the debacle of the small-deposit tax.

In the end this probably comes, in some version, to what it should have been from the start — a big haircut on deposits over 100,000.

But even then the situation is by no means under control. There’s still a real estate bubble to implode, there’s still a huge problem of competitiveness (made worse because one major export industry, banking, has just gone to meet its maker), and the bailout will leave Cyprus with Greek-level sovereign debt.

So then what? As a number of people have pointed out, Cyprus is arguably better positioned than Iceland to do an Iceland, because devaluing a reintroduced Cypriot currency could bring in a lot of tourism. But will the Cypriots — who haven’t even reconciled themselves to the end of their round-tripping business — be willing to go there?

Truly awesome stuff.
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Negotiator New to the Game Takes Blame for Cyprus Failure
BRUSSELS — Did the Cyprus bailout announced in the wee hours last Saturday fail because two central players were new to the complex game of European politics?
The decision to impose the levy on small depositors “was not stopped by me because it was a compromise which brought together the different interests and the different goals that we share,” said Jeroen Dijsselbloem, president of the group of finance ministers whose 17 countries use the euro. “As the Eurogroup president, I will take responsibility,” he said, but added that the levy was “a joint decision.”

“Whether we are incompetent or not, I’ll leave up to you to judge,” he told lawmakers at a scheduled hearing that turned into an accounting for the turmoil after the announcement, which frightened savers by proposing to tax their deposits and raised additional doubts about the viability of the euro currency.

Further complicating matters, Nicos Anastasiades, the newly elected Cypriot president, involved in negotiations last Friday night, blocked a proposal to lower the tax on small depositors, fearing that a higher tax on bigger depositors would cause them to flee and hollow out the island’s vital financial services sector.


Mr. Dijsselbloem said that he should have “communicated more right from the start” on why the levy — particularly on deposits of less than 100,000 euros, or $130,000 — should not be seen as a threat to savers across Europe. He insisted that there had not been “a huge loss of confidence” in a blocwide rule that guarantees deposits up to 100,000 euros.
“I know that you can get around it, calling it a wealth tax, or a levy or whatever,” Ms. Bowles said. But, she said, many citizens across the European Union had “a lot of concern” and wanted to know: “Is this a new tool in the toolbox? Are they safe? And what is to be expected?”

She suggested that Mr. Dijsselbloem’s presentation had been clumsy and should have included “more sensitivity” to concerns about whether the 100,000-euro deposit guarantee was still valid. She noted that he had waited two days to issue a second, clarifying statement.

Mr. Dijsselbloem conceded errors.

“Of course we should have spent more time, more wording, right from the start, on the distinction between a one-off wealth tax, a contribution, etc., which is a completely different thing” from the blocwide deposit rule, he said.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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I have feeling that Cyprus episode is a concerted effort by EU-financial centers to destroy all potential candidates who wants to be new financial centers. I see the hand of Britain and Switzerland.

How come it is wrong for Cyprus to have financial assets that 500% GDP but it is ok for London to be the same?
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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@RamaYji, you are absolutely correct. But many forget that financial assets with backing of political power (supported by military power) is essential to become a financial center. A strong lesson for India to development holistically and not perceive lopsided development as growth.

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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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Neither Switzerland nor UK are in the EU monetary union / Eurozone. The former is not in the EU at all.
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India Says: 'There Is No Direct Correlation Between IP And Innovation'
http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation ... tion.shtml
Techdirt has been pointing out for years that more patents is not the same thing as more innovation, even though many around the world would have us believe otherwise. It seems the message is finally getting through: here's a remarkable statement from India on the subject of innovation and small- and medium-sized companies, made at a TRIPS Council meeting:
there is no direct correlation between IP and Innovation even for the Small and Medium Industries. The technological progress even in the developed world had been achieved not through IP protection but through focussed governmental interventions like compulsory licenses, cross licensing, government funding, and competition policy. It is unfortunate that some of the technologically developed countries would like to showcase the positive effect of IP on innovation, when historically these countries including the proponents of this Agenda Item have reached this stage of technological development by focussing solely on the development of their own domestic industry without caring for the intellectuals property rights of the foreigners or the right holders. After achieving a high level of development, they are now attempting to perpetuate their hold on their technologies by making a push towards a TRIPS plus regime.
The last part is a clear dig at the US, which began as a pirate nation, but is now trying to impose the highest level of protection for intellectual monopolies on countries that are still at an early stage of their development, through the many bilateral treaties it has signed with them, as well as things like ACTA and TPP. The statement from India goes on
their agenda is not to create an environment where developing countries progress technologically, but to block their progress through the stringent IP regime. It is therefore essential that the flexibilities provided by the TRIPS Agreement need to be secured at any cost, if the people in the developing countries are to enjoy the benefits of innovations.
That is, far from acting as a spur to innovation in countries like India, intellectual monopolies prevent small- and medium-sized companies there from progressing to the point where they are able to compete in global markets with the Western enterprises that are pushing for stricter enforcement of patents and
trademarks. This is why emerging countries would do well to think twice before signing up to restrictive FTAs and wide-ranging agreements like TPP that are specifically designed to keep them at a lower level of technological development.
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Euro banks lobby the Fed over regulations squeeze.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive ... 30504.html
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RamaY wrote:I have feeling that Cyprus episode is a concerted effort by EU-financial centers to destroy all potential candidates who wants to be new financial centers. I see the hand of Britain and Switzerland.

How come it is wrong for Cyprus to have financial assets that 500% GDP but it is ok for London to be the same?
London does not offer the income tax evasion/avoidance or the lack of transparency that Cyprus does.
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Cyprus Approves Capital Controls in Rush to Secure Bailout
Cypriot lawmakers approved capital controls and legislation to wind down banks as they scrambled to secure a European bailout and avert a financial collapse of the Mediterranean island.
Even with the raft of last night’s laws, Anastasiades may still find himself short of the 5.8 billion euros required to satisfy EU leaders. Winding down Cyprus Popular Bank Pcl, the nation’s second-biggest bank, would only bring the bill down to 3.5 billion euros, said Averof Neofytou, deputy president of Anastasiades’s ruling Disy party.
Cyprus Popular Bank depositors with more than 100,000 euros will face losses, he said.

“They will wait for many years before they see what percentage they will get back from their savings -- 30 percent, 40 percent, 50 percent, 60 percent, it will be seen,” Neofytou said during the debate in parliament. “At the same time this political decision to support this harsh law completely safeguards another 361,000 savers of a total of 371,000.”
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Eurozone's mistakes could destroy Cyprus, warns former president
It's not just the partitioned island's membership of the European Union, which Vasilliou deftly negotiated back in 2004, that is now at stake, or the imminent threat of national bankruptcy. It's what happens next if Cyprus is to have a scintilla of a hope of restoring confidence in the financial services sector that, alongside tourism, underpins the tiny nation's economy.

"Cyprus is not just an island in the sun. We have developed a unique service sector which was based on confidence in the banking system," he told the Guardian.

"If that confidence is lost then you have nothing left. Everything that has been created will be destroyed, with formidable repercussions."
Vassiliou, an ardent supporter of the euro project, is the first to say the island's exit from the single currency would be disastrous. But, he avers, the decision to slap levies on depositors in the quest to save the Mediterranean island from economic armageddon had also been "a bomb to the foundations of the banking system".
"Often when [officials] meet in closed rooms and under pressure with their calculating machines there is no cool thinking about what the repercussions of a decision will be," he said. "In this case the decision to impose an unprecedented tax or haircut on ordinary people and businesses. If, tomorrow, the services sector collapses, as a result there will be unemployment over 50% and total lack of prospect."
"They gave all this [bailout] money to Greece, Spain, Ireland and Portugal in the hope that it will help those countries start recovering but in the case of Cyprus they say there is a limit and they take a measure that undermines confidence in the banking and services sector" he said, shaking his head.

"With that decision they are ensuring the destruction of Cyprus … an event, that if it happens, will have huge effects on the whole European system."
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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^^Nothing will happen. They should bite the bullet and collapse and restructure their economy and society. Rewarding bad behavior isn't the answer.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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RamaY wrote:^ The swiss banks already have a restriction of $250k/yr limit since 2008.
These state guarantees of depositor's funds are bogus and the amount insured is meaningless.

If you've ever contacted these state insurance outfits like FDIC, CDIC..etc. and asked how much capital they actually have to back deposits, you will be shocked to learn its about 1% ! In other words, if there are 6 trillion of deposits out there, they only have 60 billion in reserve to back it.

Do you think someone who only has $1000 on reserve can insure you for 100X that amount? At best he can only insure you for the loss on your first $1000 and then you suffer a 99% loss.

In a systemic collapse, deposit insurance cannot possibly cover even a fraction of the total losses. The only thing this insurance is good for is to cover the collapse of one or two medium-to-large bank and then its out of funds.

Deposit insurance schemes in some countries have a small line of credit from the govt which will perhaps cover an addition 3 to 5% of total deposits. Line of credit is a loan that has to be paid back with interest. Guess who will pay that interest - the rest of the depositors through Cyprus type confiscation.

It might be prudent to get some of your money out of the bank and in cash and put it under the mattress for the next couple of years. The amount of physical cash relative to unpayable credit out there is miniscule.
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FDIC isn't intended to backstop a systemic collapse. By definition, such a collapse would overwhelm everything preventing it, including deposit insurance. Instead, FDIC is a fund meant to recapitalize accounts of a limited number of failed banks. Banks failing is a regular occurence in any economic economic system, since not all capital can be efficiently deployed despite due diligence, and projects fail in the real world. The existence of deposit insurance is intended to assure deposit holders that a limited instance of a bank failure will not result in the loss of their holdings there.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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Absolutely on dot Nishant ji

Insurance is only to bolster confidence to live not try dying.

Insurance is only to " keep hope alive" if not the person

While most often other pray for the insured death to collect money


In this case neshant ji is saying don't count on any guarantees when it's systemic collapse


It would be nice to refer to Solvency II
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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WTF! We can understand when Germans ask for their gold from NY. What does it say when a state wants it...

Tarrant lawmaker seeks to create Texas Bullion Depository
Call it the Rick Perry gold rush: The governor wants to bring the state's gold reserves back from a New York vault to Texas.

And he may have legislative support to do it. Freshman Rep. Giovanni Capriglione, R-Southlake, is carrying a bill that would establish the Texas Bullion Depository, a secure state-based bank to house $1 billion worth of gold bars owned by the University of Texas Investment Management Co., or UTIMCO, and stored by the Federal Reserve.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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Cyprus says its is now looking to seize 25% of the balance in big deposit accounts....

Would not be surprised if the russian mobs burned by this take their revenge by targeting the cypriot govt.
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shyam wrote:WTF! We can understand when Germans ask for their gold from NY. What does it say when a state wants it...

Tarrant lawmaker seeks to create Texas Bullion Depository
Call it the Rick Perry gold rush: The governor wants to bring the state's gold reserves back from a New York vault to Texas.

And he may have legislative support to do it. Freshman Rep. Giovanni Capriglione, R-Southlake, is carrying a bill that would establish the Texas Bullion Depository, a secure state-based bank to house $1 billion worth of gold bars owned by the University of Texas Investment Management Co., or UTIMCO, and stored by the Federal Reserve.
Yep, yet this wont be enough to some on BRF who believe accumulating gold is a futile endeavor. Central banks, individuals, now states within the US are partaking in the action and these Keynesian stick their head into the sand.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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despite being a gold bug myself, there's no guarantee that gold will attain primacy in the global monetary system anytime soon.

for now the petro-dollar remains solidly in the helm with US attacking/overthrowing/assasinating leaders in one petro state after another from Venesuela to Libya to Iraq to soon Iran to solidify its grip over oil resources.

NATO expansionism is the theme of the early 21st century.
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Cyprus makes last-minute deal with lenders
Cyprus clinched a last-ditch deal with international lenders to shut down its second largest bank and inflict heavy losses on uninsured depositors, including wealthy Russians, in return for a €10-billion ($13-billion) bailout.
Swiftly endorsed by euro-zone finance ministers, the plan will spare the east Mediterranean island a financial meltdown by winding down Popular Bank of Cyprus, also known as Laiki, and shifting deposits below £100,000 to the Bank of Cyprus to create a “good bank”.

Deposits above €100,000 in both banks, which are not guaranteed under EU law, will be frozen and used to resolve Laiki’s debts and recapitalise Bank of Cyprus through a deposit/equity conversion.

The raid on uninsured Laiki depositors is expected to raise €4.2-billion, Eurogroup chairman Jeroen Dijssebloem said.

Laiki will effectively be shuttered, with thousands of job losses. Officials said senior bondholders in Laiki would be wiped out and those in Bank of Cyprus would have to make a contribution.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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Cyprus bailout deal with EU closes bank and seizes large deposits
Laiki, or Cyprus Popular Bank, is to be closed. Its €4.2bn in deposits over €100,000 will be placed in a "bad bank" and could be wiped out entirely. Those with smaller deposits will see their accounts transferred to Bank of Cyprus.

The Cypriot government reportedly fought hard for Bank of Cyprus to be spared, but the island's biggest bank will face huge restructuring. No bailout money will be used to the recapitalise it. Instead shareholders and bondholders will be hit. It is thought depositors with more than €100,000 at the bank will also be involved in the recapitalisation, and are expected to face losses of around 30%.
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Singha wrote:Cyprus says its is now looking to seize 25% of the balance in big deposit accounts....

Would not be surprised if the russian mobs burned by this take their revenge by targeting the cypriot govt.
Beebs says it will be around 40% for >E100,000.
Laiki (Popular) Bank - the country's second-biggest - will be wound down and deposit-holders with more than 100,000 euros ($130,000; £85,000) will face big losses.
My gut feel is that Putin did not support Cyprus for following reasons -
1. The Russian rich moved their money to cyprus often illegally. Saving Cyprus will not bring that money to Russia. More over they should have paid 30-40% taxes to Russia and make it legal instead of running to cyprus. In one shot both his enemies (anti-putin russian rich and EU) will get weaker

2. Cyprus did not accept Russian geopolitical offers. Then why should Putin save cyprus, an enemy camper? If Cyprus became a member of Russian federation, even then Putin would have demanded a 40% haircut for the russian rich as a tax cut ;)
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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Afaik the income tax in russia is only a low 9%?

Ofcourse for oligarchs with millions of liquid cash even 9 percent can be a pinch.
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Cyprus bailout model was to be one off or was it?

Interview: After Cyprus, eurozone faces tough bank regime: Eurogroup head
(Reuters) - A rescue programme agreed for Cyprus on Monday represents a new template for resolving euro zone banking problems and other countries may have to restructure their banking sectors, the head of the region's finance ministers said.

"What we've done last night is what I call pushing back the risks," Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem, who heads the Eurogroup of euro zone finance ministers, told Reuters and the Financial Times hours after the Cyprus deal was struck.

"If there is a risk in a bank, our first question should be 'Okay, what are you in the bank going to do about that? What can you do to recapitalise yourself?'. If the bank can't do it, then we'll talk to the shareholders and the bondholders, we'll ask them to contribute in recapitalising the bank, and if necessary the uninsured deposit holders," he said.
There is the signal...If you want your money to be safe and out of reach of the government....you got to move it...
After 12 hours of talks with the EU and IMF, Cyprus agreed to shut down its second largest bank, with insured deposits - those below 100,000 euros - moved to the Bank of Cyprus, the country's largest lender. Uninsured deposits, those accounts with more than 100,000 euros, face losses of 4.2 billion euros{100% loss above 100,000 @ this bank that is being shut down.}.

Uninsured depositors in the Bank of Cyprus will have their accounts frozen while the bank is restructured and recapitalised. Any capital that is needed to strengthen the bank will be drawn from accounts above 100,000 euros.{At this bank, a portion of the uninsured deposit may be returned, depending on how much is need to recapitalised the bank. So a possibility exists that here too the uninsured depositors may lose up to 100%}

The agreement is what is known as a "bail-in", with shareholders and bondholders in banks forced to bear the costs of the restructuring first, followed by uninsured depositors. Under EU rules, deposits up to 100,000 euros are guaranteed.

The approach marks a radical departure for euro zone policy after three years of crisis in which taxpayers across the region have effectively been on the hook for resolving problem banks and indebted governments via multiple rescue programmes.
Welcome to the new world of euro banking!
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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Insurance is the new layer on top of banking? First world monetory systems don't got it all insured by default? What is the need of this in first world ever perfect monetory systems? What is the need of insurance in first world system anyway?

If Russians had insured all monies then what happens to others? Will bond market help someone with 100,000 +1$ bank deposit?

Any "insurance on top of banking 101 guide for dummies" please?
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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With such a banking system in place, how can all these EU ba*turd nations get AAA ratings?

When a nation's banking system doesn't guarantee cash accumulation >E100,000 then how can it be a AAA rated country?
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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I'm having a hard time saying this but this is the right move. The banks must go under and the large depositors and bond holders wiped out.

Of course when it came to French and German money in Ireland this was not acceptable.....

Look for Cyprus to recover, a la Iceland. Still needs a income haircut.
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Another nugget, between 2002 and 2008 Cyprus per capita income sky rocketed fro $13,000 per capita to $32,000 per capita. This is not a developed country by any means but pretended to be so.
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Sooner or later this contagion is going to hit South America. It always does, eventually. If you have any money invested there take it out.
My prediction is for the implosion to begin in Brazil. Why do I say this you ask.

From 2002 -2011 Brazils per capita income has skyrocketed from $2,500 to $14,000!! Brazilians companies and folks are now strutting about buying chunks of USA at really bad prices. They are buying poor cash flow operations at wildly overpriced rates. Crash is coming.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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SNAFU perspective from US that makes Cyprus/Greek and even EU situations look like a walk in the brindavan gardens:
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The Dijsselbloem Principle
If a gaffe is what happens when a politician accidentally tells the truth, what’s the word for when a politician deliberately tells the truth? Dutch finance minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the current head of the Eurogroup, held a formal, on-the-record joint interview with Reuters and the FT today, saying that the messy and chaotic Cyprus solution is a model for future bailouts.

Those comments are now being walked back, because it’s generally not a good idea for high-ranking policymakers to say the kind of things which could precipitate bank runs across much of the Eurozone. But that doesn’t mean Dijsselbloem’s initial comments weren’t true; indeed, it’s notable that no one’s denying them outright.

Dijsselbloem’s interview can be summed up simply: we’re not bailing out banks any more. Instead, we’re going to let them fail.
Such a principle would have consequences, of course, both intended and unintended. Paul Murphy provides the requisite parade of horribles:
It’s a direct call to depositors across the eurozone — retail and corporate alike — to move cash now and spread it across a portfolio of the largest available banks. It’s direct advice to dump bank debt. And it’s a direct invitation to speculate that the EFSF, the ESM, and the rest of the alphabetic bailout soup is going to be discarded in favour of calling on depositors’ money across the Continent.
Still, the toothpaste is out of the tube now, and the traders selling off bank shares were acting entirely rationally. The chances of European banks being allowed to fail are higher now than they were pre-Cyprus. As a result, we should expect uninsured deposits to continue to flow from the periphery of Europe towards the center. Which in turn means extra pressure on Italian and Spanish banks, just when it’s least needed.
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Cyprus: It’s not over yet
This was not a good weekend for Russian billionaires. First, Boris Berezovsky was found dead at his English country estate. Now, all the uninsured depositors (read: Russian plutocrats) at Cyprus’s two largest banks are going to be hit much, much harder than they feared they might be when the Cyprus crisis first erupted last week.

Back then — a long, long week ago — Cypriot president Nicos Anastasiades stood firm: there was no way he would allow uninsured depositors to lose more than 10% of their money. What a difference a week makes: now, if your uninsured deposits are at the Bank of Cyprus, you’re probably going to lose about 40% And if they’re at Laiki, you’re going to lose everything.
In the Europe vs Russia poker game, the Europeans have played the most aggressive move they can, essentially forcing Russian depositors to contribute maximally to the bailout against their will. If this is how the game ends, it’s an unambiguous loss for Russia, and a win for the EU.
Much more importantly, the two main vectors of contagion — hitting insured deposits, and exiting the euro — have been avoided. And most elegantly of all, from the Troika’s point of view, the whole thing has been constructed under existing bank-resolution authorities, which means that no vote needs to be put to the Cypriot parliament, and therefore no amount of Russian pressure can veto the deal in Nicosia.

Of course, the game does not end here. It’s unlikely that Russia will appear bearing a better deal at some point in the next 24 hours, but the hit to Cyprus’s GDP is going to be so enormous that staying in the euro over the long term, absent another round or two of massive debt relief, is going to be extremely difficult. The deal as constructed is, in Pawelmorski’s wonderful phrase, “Iceland without the fish”: Cyprus, as Iceland did before it, is letting its banks fail, since they’re too big for the government to bail out. But Iceland has other industries besides banking — and, more importantly, has a floating currency as well, which by weakening can make those industries more competitive.

In order to truly become Iceland, then, Cyprus is going to need to devalue and default. If it doesn’t, then it will live unhappily under the yoke of Europe-imposed austerity until such a time as the parliament revolts, the austerity measures are revoked, and the island drops out of the euro, and probably out of the EU as well.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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US Housing Bubble 2.0 in progress http://www.financialsense.com/contribut ... -trying-to

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The Federal government and Federal Reserve are trying to inflate another housing bubble to save the "too big to fail" banks from a richly deserved day of reckoning.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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Capitalism like communism turns out to have big flaws.

There's no such thing as free market capitalism because inevitably banking crooks hijack the system and turn it into crony capitalism. i.e. a legalised system of plundering the people.

I've traced this cancer to its roots and I'm certain the corruption of capitalism begins with corruption of the monetary system by banking goons. Its the seed from which all mischief springs as Andrew Jackson put it.

Not that I advocate a return to the gold standard but people who earn the wealth should definately have a right to choose a parallel monetary system outside the control of private aka central bankers. The present system forces people into the worthless fiat monetary system through taxation & violence (threat of imprisonment & wealth confiscation). That's just criminal.
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"Suspending mark-to-market accounting, in essence, suspends reality.” – Beth Brooke, global vice chair, at Ernst & Young
'...Wall Street desired all the billions of upside from creating new markets for new products. Their creativity knew no bounds as they crafted MBOs, MBSs, CDOs, CDSs, and then chopped them into tranches,selling them around the world with AAA stamps of approval from the soulless whore rating agencies. When the net result of a flawed systemof toxic garbage paper was revealed, there was no room at the exits for the stampede of investment bankers. The toxic paper was on the banks’books and no one wanted to admit the greed induced decision to purchase these highly risky, volatile “assets”. The trade had not gone bad, the ponzi scheme had unraveled. Suspending FASB 157 has been an attempt to hide this fraudulent business model from investors, regulators and thepublic. By hiding the true value of these assets, the financial systemhas never cleared. The banks remain in a zombie vegetative state, with the Federal Reserve providing the IV and the life support system....'


http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest- ... ets-friend
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"Suspending mark-to-market accounting, in essence, suspends reality.” – Beth Brooke, global vice chair, at Ernst & Young
'...Wall Street desired all the billions of upside from creating new markets for new products. Their creativity knew no bounds as they crafted MBOs, MBSs, CDOs, CDSs, and then chopped them into tranches,selling them around the world with AAA stamps of approval from the soulless whore rating agencies. When the net result of a flawed systemof toxic garbage paper was revealed, there was no room at the exits for the stampede of investment bankers. The toxic paper was on the banks’books and no one wanted to admit the greed induced decision to purchase these highly risky, volatile “assets”. The trade had not gone bad, the ponzi scheme had unraveled. Suspending FASB 157 has been an attempt to hide this fraudulent business model from investors, regulators and thepublic. By hiding the true value of these assets, the financial systemhas never cleared. The banks remain in a zombie vegetative state, with the Federal Reserve providing the IV and the life support system....'


http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest- ... ets-friend
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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FED assisted DEBT induced and goosed up Markets continue to the sky, as if 2008 never occurred!

2008x10 will be repeated DEFINITELY but NO one knows when? B/c 'extend and pretend' acts continue to kick the can down!

From where? just like in 2008 the TIME BOMBS are ticking in the DERIVATIVE markets which is still OPAQUE and UNREGULATED. Now the cronies of Wall ST in Congress are introducing more 'deregulations'!!

Educational tutorial on DERIVATIVES:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/03/ ... it-in.html

The charade continues!
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown- (Nov 28 20

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^^^^^ Hmmmm, the Fed has responded to the debacle as follows:

They are currently evaluationg companies for their importance to the financial system to the US. If judged as too big to fail, that is the Fed must step in and keep it afloat then there are consequences.

1. the Corp will get the designation "SIFI". That is Systemically Important Financial Institution.

2. The Corp must obey Fed regulatory practices and rules.

3. It goes w/o saying there will be Fed audits involved to insure the number 2 is followed.

4. A SIFI designation can be applied to practically any Corp but especially to Investing firms and brokerages and *Insurance* companies! Retail banking has already been covered for years.

This means executive compensation schemes will be reviewed among other things as well as sufficiency of reserve requirements, etc based on riskiness of the book of business.

It is my thought that a good share of the above is happening because the SEC has abdicated their authority as result of yeears of hamstringing by Congress.

A number of companies are crying and saying they are not SIFI and do not want to be included in the designation. Too bad, so sad.
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Virtually ALL Regulators (Treasury of State, FDIC,OCC,SEC,CFTC - you name it!)are captive to regulated and actively NEUTER any one rightly applying the RULE OF LAW.

Political Process and Regulatory apparatus in America is corrupt to the core. MSM is the silent partner b/c 90% of MSM is controlled by 6 mega Corporations.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/03/ ... banks.html
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If you need to know the real picture of the market & the Economy, read this ( SLIDE presentations with DATA)


http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/10/mi ... -about-it/

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/10/tb ... entations/
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