Understanding the US - Again

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 11 Nov 2019 00:27

ramana wrote:A VP candidate should bring something to the electoral college. California will.anyway vite Democrat. So.unlikely any Ca politician will become VP.

That makes sense. So, Harris as VP is a low probability event. The nominee has to bring in somebody from the heartland. Raja Krishnamoorty is from IL, a dem stronghold. He is out. They might pick an African American woman from Missouri/St. Louis area.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 11 Nov 2019 01:45

Ideally Florida. FL was marginal in 2016, it is huge, and is now the home base of DT. DT has been baiting/trolling HiC for failing to campaign in FL. Overturning DT in FL is feasible. But no leadership seen, surprisingly.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 11 Nov 2019 02:09

UlanBatori wrote:Ideally Florida. FL was marginal in 2016, it is huge, and is now the home base of DT. DT has been baiting/trolling HiC for failing to campaign in FL. Overturning DT in FL is feasible. But no leadership seen, surprisingly.

Republicans DeSantis and Scott (previous Governer) won Governor and Senate seats by thin margin. However since 2018 elections FL Governer DeSantis did good job and his approval rating went way up. FL seems to be Republican state comfortably and Trump is in good shape unless something changes by election time next year.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 11 Nov 2019 02:11

One good hurricane can change the approval rating, if Trump does to FEMA what Dubya did (Hurricane Katrina). But I suspect that Mar Largo assures good FEMA in FL.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 12 Nov 2019 02:03

Nikki Haley outing Tillerson and Kelly and charging them with trying to back stab T. So she wants to become Weepey?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 Nov 2019 03:21

After Trump's tape where he talks about grabbing pu**y etc., it seems Pence was contacted by several donors to replace Trump on the ticket. Pence kept silent to see which the chips would fall. This was said by a journalist in an interview I heard on NPR.

Trump might cut him loose in 2020 and get Randhawa as a VP, especially so if there is a woman P/woman VP ticket from the Democratic party.

On the other hand, she has presidential ambitions. The question is whether her play is for the long term or for the short term.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Nov 2019 03:29

Halley can bring SC votes but I think SC is hardcore elephant anyway, since, {as much as I hate to say this..

} these days SC elephants are the Keepers Of The Flame on the burning cross of the KKK

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 Nov 2019 05:56

UB ji, more importantly, she would be able to bring in the educated white women vote. "sona bandar" (CR Yagnasri) is damaged goods as far as educated white women of the 'burbs are concerned, or that is what is told to amru public by seeennenn and NoYork teams.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Nov 2019 07:26

Kashmir is violent and not safe like US cities

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Nov 2019 09:51

Vayutuvan wrote:After Trump's tape where he talks about grabbing pu**y etc., it seems Pence was contacted by several donors to replace Trump on the ticket. Pence kept silent to see which the chips would fall. This was said by a journalist in an interview I heard on NPR.

Trump might cut him loose in 2020 and get Randhawa as a VP, especially so if there is a woman P/woman VP ticket from the Democratic party.

On the other hand, she has presidential ambitions. The question is whether her play is for the long term or for the short term.

Nikki is broke. She has been in politics for so long, there is no income stream. I don't think she wants political office, but will write books, give speeches and setup some sort of paid political appearances like all other Amreeki high politicos.

I'm hoping Trump replaces Pence with Kanye West. He and Kim K would make a welcome addition to Duplicity DC. They're all big asses in that town and now they'll literally get one.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Nov 2019 01:23

If one has to understand India, one can do by understanding the political parties, the key players in political parties and their support base - objectively. Key is objectively. Of course WaPos and NyTimes of the world miss completely because they are *not* objective. They are racist and everything is then viewed from their narrow prism.

Same goes for understanding US.

Julian Castro as predicted is trailing. He has moved on to Nevada and I am not sure where he is at on South Carolina. He needs to end his campaign.

Next battleground is shifting to S. Carolina and then the big kahuna - California.

Iowa and NH just came back giving 6% to Tulsi, 4% to Andrew Yang and 1% to Kamala. This has catapulted Tulsi to 5th position. She still needs some additional 7k supporters and one more poll to get into December debate.

Kamala's best bet is to get the coloured voters in S. Carolina to stay in to California. But the going is getting tough for Kamala already. If Tulsi stays in December debate, gets a good percentage in S. Carolina, then Tulsi is most likely to make history in California. Jan-March is going to be hot in California.

Warren committed another major gaffe in S. Carolina. At this point, Warren is just a side show. The race is between Biden and Sanders. Mayor Pete has significant donations coming from Wall Street. His showing up in 4th place shows how corrupt and corporate driven the DNC has become.

Jan-Mar is going to be interesting. If things go as I hope, Tulsi may become the 3rd or the 4th runner. It is now down to S. Carolina, California, some 7k supporters and one poll.

Shankas · Post by **Shankas** » 13 Nov 2019 02:23

disha wrote: Iowa and NH just came back giving 6% to Tulsi, 4% to Andrew Yang and 1% to Kamala. This has catapulted Tulsi to 5th position. She still needs some additional 7k supporters and one more poll to get into December debate.

If Indians donate thru their relatives in the US amounts of $21, $51, or $108. It would be for a great dharmic cause and the donation amount will also send a subtle, but clear message to Tulsi.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Nov 2019 02:47

Where is dishaji seeing this? SeeEnn just now, says Iowa Poll puts TG at 2%. Poll is of "likely kakoose-goers". Pls clarify, thx. Is SeeEnnEnn lying on that scale?
Mayor Pete looks like a snake-oil salesman.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Nov 2019 02:53

NBC reports that Mina Chang, a senior State Dept official, embellished her resume, claimed falsely to be a Harvard grad and created a fake TIME magazine cover with her face on it

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 13 Nov 2019 03:04

Meanwhile the DACA deal news is the headline everywhere.

Supreme Court Appears Ready to Let Trump End DACA Program

The justices are considering whether the Trump administration can shut down a program that shields about 700,000 young immigrants from deportation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/s ... amers.html

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 13 Nov 2019 03:08

UlanBatori wrote:Where is dishaji seeing this? SeeEnn just now, says Iowa Poll puts TG at 2%. Poll is of "likely kakoose-goers". Pls clarify, thx. Is SeeEnnEnn lying on that scale?
Mayor Pete looks like a snake-oil salesman.

Real Clear Politics puts TG less 2% composite of all polls. I hoping for TG to break out but the Donkeystanis with their superdelegates will lock this up for Sleepy Joe.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Nov 2019 03:25

UlanBatori wrote:Where is dishaji seeing this? SeeEnn just now, says Iowa Poll puts TG at 2%. Poll is of "likely kakoose-goers". Pls clarify, thx. Is SeeEnnEnn lying on that scale?
Mayor Pete looks like a snake-oil salesman.

UB'ji, if you ask the kakooses among yak herders, you get a kakoose-poll!

The above poll on Iowa is among Caucus Democrats. The Caucus democrats herd themselves where Hillary (or Obama) ask them to get herded.

The numbers I am getting is from the NH Quinnipiac University poll, which is what the democrat party voters poll to -> https://poll.qu.edu/new-hampshire/relea ... aseID=3648

This is an interesting quote:

Independent voters, known as "undeclared voters" in New Hampshire, who are likely to vote in the Democratic primary are divided in their top choice. Biden receives 16 percent support among these voters, while Sanders and Buttigieg get 14 percent each, and Warren and Gabbard receive 10 percent each. Among registered Democrats who are likely to vote in the primary, Biden has 25 percent, Warren has 24 percent, Buttigieg receives 16 percent, and Sanders gets 14 percent.

That is the moderate, conservative, independent democrats (yes that species exist and is larger than the progressives) have equal preference for Tulsi and Warren!

If Democrats need a minority, woman candidate who appeals to Democrat centrists (as opposed to Ilhan Omar-AOC 'progressives' a.ka 'commies') then they have a candidate in Tulsi already!

And some more URLs for Mort'ji.

https://reason.com/2019/10/30/tulsi-gab ... n-support/

Do read the above in full.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/q ... hampshire/

As for the bottom-tier, Quinnipiac finds Kamala Harris posting her worst polling result of 2019 in New Hampshire a couple weeks after the California senator fired her campaign staff and closed campaign offices in the state in order to redirect her diminishing resources to Iowa.

And here the staff at WaPo is definitely wondering where did all the Yaks go when they were supposed to be herded and would have voted for Hillary! And they are hoping that the Iowians will somehow influence NH

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... hampshire/

And this

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/p ... c-primary/

Tulsi is just one poll away in Nevada/S. Carolina or Iowa to cross >=5% in polling and come on Nov. debate. Her chances are v. good for Nov. debate and good for Dec. debate. If she crosses both Nov and Dec, it is battleground California. That is where the fun begins.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Nov 2019 05:11

vimal wrote:Meanwhile the DACA deal news is the headline everywhere.

Supreme Court Appears Ready to Let Trump End DACA Program

The justices are considering whether the Trump administration can shut down a program that shields about 700,000 young immigrants from deportation.

Trump claims he'll strike deal for Dreamers with Dems if SCOTUS overturns DACA

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Nov 2019 05:45

Ayyo...

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... 020-070318

11/12/2019 05:19 PM EST

Hillary Clinton on Tuesday declined to rule out launching a future presidential campaign after her two failed bids, saying “many, many, many people” were pressuring her to enter the race.

“I, as I say, never, never, never say never,” the former secretary of State said on BBC Radio 5 Live. “I will certainly tell you, I’m under enormous pressure from many, many, many people to think about it.” My estimate: anyone who hears that quote in isolation, and is asked to guess the speaker, has a 90% probability of saying "Donald Trump."

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Nov 2019 05:51

I know someone whose "friends" went to watch inter-varsity boxing, and came back very subdued after seeing the blood and blows up close. They brightened upon seeing him:

Why don't YOU take up boxing, yaar? We will all come to watch and cheer!

That's what I call irresistible pressure from many many many many "aMAzing" people!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Nov 2019 05:51

OK, how do we whip up some support for TGji? The time is now...

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Nov 2019 06:05

Meanwhile, and of FAR greater concern to Yindoos...

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... dom-069595

Trump weighs conditioning foreign aid on religious freedom

The proposed change in U.S. policy could complicate relations with countries like Egypt and India.

It was obvious from the moment Trump chose Mike Pence as his VP running mate that this would happen eventually.

Trump is very anxious about losing votes from among the core support base who backed him in 2016. Christian Evangelicals are a massive component of this. The fact that Trump-backed Republican Governor Matt Bevin lost his re-election bid in Kentucky... a Bible Belt state with a vast Evanjehadi constituency... seems to have panicked him. Pence and the EJ gang have come up with the remedy to win them back... beat up on the Heathens, using USCIRF as a stick.

Aides to President Donald Trump are drafting plans to condition U.S. aid to other countries on how well they treat their religious minorities, two White House officials said.

The proposal is expected to cover U.S. humanitarian and development assistance and could be broadened to include American military aid to other countries. If the proposal becomes reality, it could have a major effect on U.S. assistance in a range of countries, from Iraq to Vietnam. Its mere consideration shows how much the White House prioritizes religious freedom, an emphasis critics say is really about galvanizing Trump’s evangelical Christian base.

Let's remember that, however much it may have had the support of some Democrats, the use of USCIRF "Religious Freedom" reports to bully other nations into allowing free rein for Christian Missionary activity has always been, primarily, a Republican-driven process. USCIRF was constituted under the G W Bush Regime. During the Bush regime, the USCIRF had Christian, Jewish, Muslim but NO Dharmic representatives at all... and the ONLY foreign leader whom they ever banned from receiving a US visa was Narendra Modi (so much for "religious freedom").

...

Two White House officials confirmed the basics of the religious freedom aid-conditioning plan. They stressed that the idea is in its early stages and an executive order is still being drafted, meaning questions about whether military aid will be covered remain unanswered.

One said imposing sanctions is being weighed as a method of punishment, too.

...

As they try to push that vision forward, administration aides are considering using the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom’s lists of offending countries as their guide for deciding which countries should have their aid withheld or face sanctions, the White House officials said.

The commission's regular reports rank countries in tiers. Its lists can differ from countries of concern separately designated by the secretary of State, and they often are longer. Among its Tier 1 countries — considered the worst offenders — are U.S. partners such as Saudi Arabia and adversaries such as Iran.

Representatives from the National Security Council, the Domestic Policy Council, the State Department and Vice President Mike Pence’s office have been meeting to discuss the executive order, which Trump has not yet seen, the White House officials said.

Pence’s role could prove a flashpoint.

He’s a deeply conservative Christian and a key liaison to evangelical Trump backers. And while his message is generally couched in terms of the need for all people to have religious freedom — he has criticized China’s mistreatment of Uighur Muslims, for instance — critics say he emphasizes Christians. Pence also is facing scrutiny for his role in directing U.S. aid to favored Christian groups abroad.

Asked for comment, his press secretary, Katie Waldman, said, “The vice president is always proud to support religious freedom both here at home and abroad.”

One evangelical leader close to Trump hailed the idea as something that’s been needed “for a long time.”

...

He said that, depending on how strictly the administration interprets the idea of “religious freedom,” it is likely to hit national security concerns about protecting certain allies. Egypt and India, for example, arguably have religious freedom issues, he noted, but both receive U.S. aid.

Egypt, where the Christian minority has long complained of discrimination from majority Muslims, receives roughly $1.4 billion in U.S. assistance a year, most of it for security purposes. India, where tensions between Muslims and Hindus are on the rise, has received tens of millions in U.S. aid in recent years, government data shows.

The religious freedom commission categorizes both as Tier 2 countries.

...

On a macro level, the Trump administration is generally hostile to foreign aid, having proposed multiple times to slash it significantly. Congress has prevented such cuts. No comfort to us... the Democratic-controlled US Congress has amply demonstrated its hostility towards India with the Kashmir kangaroo-court hearings. The will have no problem with using USCIRF as a means to advance their pro-Islamist agenda while Republicans use it to pressure India on FCRA and anti-conversion measures that limit Evanjehadi activity. We are scr3wed both ways.

The linking of aid to religious freedom would not be a surprising move by Trump given his administration’s intense focus on the issue.

During the U.N. General Assembly in September, Trump announced a $25 million commitment to support religious freedom.

Weeks earlier, his administration launched the International Religious Freedom Alliance, a vehicle that brings together countries to promote the cause. The administration also has held two major gatherings of foreign ministers focused on promoting religious freedom.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Nov 2019 06:38

I think this is fine. If in 2020 the cretins equate the freedom in India with that in EGYPT, then there is no room for negotiation: slam them. I think DT will use this stick liberally, but not against India.
Primarily, this is not about Eqypt or India. It is about Islamic nations - and to use as a threat against cheen, though Trump in his heart I am sure, supports cheen in their kindness towards the Uighurs. And Myanmar too.
Pence is toxic, sure. Big question is whether Trump will dump Pence and how he will do it. The guys is at best a deadweight. I don't know of any great number of yahoos (outside Indiana of course) who support Trump BECAUSE they support Pence.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 13 Nov 2019 07:09

Rudradev wrote:Meanwhile, and of FAR greater concern to Yindoos...

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... dom-069595

Trump weighs conditioning foreign aid on religious freedom

The proposed change in U.S. policy could complicate relations with countries like Egypt and India.

It was obvious from the moment Trump chose Mike Pence as his VP running mate that this would happen eventually.

Trump is very anxious about losing votes from among the core support base who backed him in 2016. Christian Evangelicals are a massive component of this. The fact that Trump-backed Republican Governor Matt Bevin lost his re-election bid in Kentucky... a Bible Belt state with a vast Evanjehadi constituency... seems to have panicked him. Pence and the EJ gang have come up with the remedy to win them back... beat up on the Heathens, using USCIRF as a stick.

Politico is making a story about nothing and trying to scare Indian origin people in the US. I think it plays better to the crowd who are already leaning to the Donkeystanis.

No doubt about it. Trump needs the vote of the EJ and Pence is easily manipulated for that purpose. I know EJs who did not vote for Trump in 2016 (they were NOTA), but they sure do love Pence and the EJ federal judge appointees.

For Trump this is quite easy. India gets very little foreign aid from the US (mostly public health issues which the US govt. wants around $42 M) and it receives NO US military aid unlike the Eurotrash, Israel and Egypt. India buys with cold hard cash. He also knows it is no more Howdy Modi type events which can be politically leveraged.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 13 Nov 2019 07:32

disha wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Where is dishaji seeing this? SeeEnn just now, says Iowa Poll puts TG at 2%. Poll is of "likely kakoose-goers". Pls clarify, thx. Is SeeEnnEnn lying on that scale?
Mayor Pete looks like a snake-oil salesman.
UB'ji, if you ask the kakooses among yak herders, you get a kakoose-poll!

The above poll on Iowa is among Caucus Democrats. The Caucus democrats herd themselves where Hillary (or Obama) ask them to get herded.

The numbers I am getting is from the NH Quinnipiac University poll, which is what the democrat party voters poll to -> https://poll.qu.edu/new-hampshire/relea ... aseID=3648

This is an interesting quote:

Independent voters, known as "undeclared voters" in New Hampshire, who are likely to vote in the Democratic primary are divided in their top choice. Biden receives 16 percent support among these voters, while Sanders and Buttigieg get 14 percent each, and Warren and Gabbard receive 10 percent each. Among registered Democrats who are likely to vote in the primary, Biden has 25 percent, Warren has 24 percent, Buttigieg receives 16 percent, and Sanders gets 14 percent.
That is the moderate, conservative, independent democrats (yes that species exist and is larger than the progressives) have equal preference for Tulsi and Warren!

If Democrats need a minority, woman candidate who appeals to Democrat centrists (as opposed to Ilhan Omar-AOC 'progressives' a.ka 'commies') then they have a candidate in Tulsi already!

And some more URLs for Mort'ji.

https://reason.com/2019/10/30/tulsi-gab ... n-support/

Do read the above in full.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/q ... hampshire/

As for the bottom-tier, Quinnipiac finds Kamala Harris posting her worst polling result of 2019 in New Hampshire a couple weeks after the California senator fired her campaign staff and closed campaign offices in the state in order to redirect her diminishing resources to Iowa.
And here the staff at WaPo is definitely wondering where did all the Yaks go when they were supposed to be herded and would have voted for Hillary! And they are hoping that the Iowians will somehow influence NH

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... hampshire/

And this

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/p ... c-primary/

Tulsi is just one poll away in Nevada/S. Carolina or Iowa to cross >=5% in polling and come on Nov. debate. Her chances are v. good for Nov. debate and good for Dec. debate. If she crosses both Nov and Dec, it is battleground California. That is where the fun begins.

Tulsi already qualified for Nov debate.
One poll away from Dec debate

She is polling 6% in NH

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Nov 2019 07:37

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ds/600757/

The United States is undergoing a transition perhaps no rich and stable democracy has ever experienced: Its historically dominant group is on its way to becoming a political minority—and its minority groups are asserting their co-equal rights and interests.

Instead of reaching out and inviting new allies into its coalition, the political right hardens, turning against the democratic processes it fears will subsume it. A conservatism defined by ideas can hold its own against progressivism, winning converts to its principles and evolving with each generation. A conservatism defined by identity reduces the complex calculus of politics to a simple arithmetic question—and at some point, the numbers no longer add up. Trump has led his party to this dead end, and it may well cost him his chance for reelection....

Adam Przeworski, a political scientist who has studied struggling democracies in Eastern Europe and Latin America, has argued that to survive, democratic institutions “must give all the relevant political forces a chance to win from time to time in the competition of interests and values.” But, he adds, they also have to do something else, of equal importance: “They must make even losing under democracy more attractive than a future under non-democratic outcomes.” That conservatives—despite currently holding the White House, the Senate, and many state governments—are losing faith in their ability to win elections in the future bodes ill for the smooth functioning of American democracy. That they believe these electoral losses would lead to their destruction is even more worrying.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 13 Nov 2019 07:57

Mort Walker wrote:Politico is making a story about nothing and trying to scare Indian origin people in the US.

Now that sound eerily similar to waving away of the Congressional hearing and the voices emanating from Democratic camp against India and Hindus.

Mort Walker wrote:India gets very little foreign aid from the US (mostly public health issues which the US govt. wants around $42 M) and it receives NO US military aid unlike the Eurotrash, Israel and Egypt. India buys with cold hard cash. He also knows it is no more Howdy Modi type events which can be politically leveraged.

Today it's (negligible) foreign aid and once the precedence is established, tomorrow it would be a pretext for something else- sanctions, embargoes etc. Please do not try and spin this as nothing substantive, much like Democrat-supporters have been doing.

India and Indians should accept that we can count on neither Dems nor Repubs. It will be Ekla chalo re.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Nov 2019 08:19

Politco cares two hoots whether Indian origin people will vote Dems or Repubs. As Rudradev said, it was Bush that constituted the Evangelical fundamentalist USCIRF. Now Trump is going a one step ahead. Fact of the matter is whether its Islamist leaning Dems or Evangelical leaning Repubs, they will try to screw Hindus and India.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Nov 2019 08:25

Gee! Its the diehard optimism that brings me to PeeAreph every din.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 13 Nov 2019 09:48

Kashi wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:Politico is making a story about nothing and trying to scare Indian origin people in the US.
Now that sound eerily similar to waving away of the Congressional hearing and the voices emanating from Democratic camp against India and Hindus.

Mort Walker wrote:India gets very little foreign aid from the US (mostly public health issues which the US govt. wants around $42 M) and it receives NO US military aid unlike the Eurotrash, Israel and Egypt. India buys with cold hard cash. He also knows it is no more Howdy Modi type events which can be politically leveraged.
Today it's (negligible) foreign aid and once the precedence is established, tomorrow it would be a pretext for something else- sanctions, embargoes etc. Please do not try and spin this as nothing substantive, much like Democrat-supporters have been doing.

India and Indians should accept that we can count on neither Dems nor Repubs. It will be Ekla chalo re.

No one is trying spin this away as nothing substantive. If you bothered to read what I wrote, perhaps you may understand. The Rethuglican EJs have always held great influence on the party, but they have not held sway on the Orangeutan in chief. If it was any other war mongering Rethuglican, there would be concern, but with Trump it is much less of an issue. The best sign we saw was the issue of the S-400 deal, since it turned out to be a don't ask don't tell type of deal. USCIRF + EJs + Trump = 0.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Nov 2019 12:08

vijayk wrote: Tulsi already qualified for Nov debate.
One poll away from Dec debate

Thanks for the correction. Yes, Tulsi qualified for November 20 debate on Nov. 7. For December debate, she is still short (very short) by some 7k individual donors and one more poll that puts her in 6% from one more state out of Iowa, S. Carolina or Nevada.

Hope a surge from the debate will help Tulsi go over to December.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Nov 2019 12:14

Rudradev wrote:Meanwhile, and of FAR greater concern to Yindoos...

Rudradev'ji, let me tell a parable.

There were stray pigs around my house and one of the days the municipality decides to get rid of the pigs and goes after chasing and collecting them. Pigs being pigs, they end up in my yard and in all the skirmishes between the municipal and the pigs, my entrance gets damaged. Done.

USCIRF note on religious freedom and withholding financial and weapons aid will hurt countries like Turkey more.

The damage to India will be like a skirmish between the municipal and the pigs.

Point is simple, with radical islamic terrorism, we will not be even able to live to the day where we can morally fight against EJ'ism. Hence getting rid of radical islamic terrorism must be the primary goal. And in that, even the EJists will help, since they also face the same mortal threat from radical islamic terrorism.

Hence the conditioning of foreign aid must be looked from that angle.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Nov 2019 17:50

When USCIRF was constituted by EJs, everyone thought their primary target would be Muslim countries. But guess what, muslim countries got only sermons at the most. The only leader who was ever banned from receiving a US visa by USCRIF was Modi. The same might happen again. We may think that muslims countries will bear the brunt of the damage but countries like pakistan, turkey have transnational relationship and have US by the balls in Afghanistan and Syria and they wont be touched. In fact, in order to compensate for that and to show they are impartial and care for Muslims, EJs might go after muslim (and christian issues) in India and China. IMVHO

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 13 Nov 2019 18:26

What makes anyone think the India-US relationship is not transactional? When India becomes the 4th or 5th largest trading partner, most likely by 2025, the situation may be very different. Note I said maybe because USCIRF can be used by the left and right wing political parties in the US to beat up on India. Clowns like Jaypal to the left and jokers like Pence on the right. However, as time goes on the probabilities become less.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Nov 2019 18:30

Shanmukh @maidros78

I spent a long time over this weekend listening to the entire US Congressional testimony over Kashmir. Some things were eye opening.
1) Anyone who plays the US-India bhai bhai song is an out and out liar. The line taken by the US Congress was purely Islamist.

9:39 PM - 11 Nov 2019

follow the thread here

https://twitter.com/maidros78/status/11 ... 3903026176

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Nov 2019 18:59

6999 to go if Shanmukhji does something about it other than

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Nov 2019 22:43

RD, Just today info released that India banned 1807 NGOs for FCRA violation..
Frankly you need to remove the Orange sunglasses and see the view.
Distortions are no expected from you. Lots of people rely on you.
Don't lose them.

UB, As I told you thats is one more confirmation of Hillary bibi running.
watch for Romney to support her.

Shanmukh needs to be realistic.
Democrats need Muslim votes in US.
Indians don't even register to vote!!!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Nov 2019 23:37

For the Indo-US Relations dhaga really: Someone should compare the number of Anti-India US ****** to the number of Anti-US Indian ******. I think "we" win hands down... u can interpret that any way u want.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Nov 2019 23:54

disha wrote:
Rudradev wrote:Meanwhile, and of FAR greater concern to Yindoos...
Rudradev'ji, let me tell a parable.

There were stray pigs around my house and one of the days the municipality decides to get rid of the pigs and goes after chasing and collecting them. Pigs being pigs, they end up in my yard and in all the skirmishes between the municipal and the pigs, my entrance gets damaged. Done.

USCIRF note on religious freedom and withholding financial and weapons aid will hurt countries like Turkey more.

The damage to India will be like a skirmish between the municipal and the pigs.

Point is simple, with radical islamic terrorism, we will not be even able to live to the day where we can morally fight against EJ'ism. Hence getting rid of radical islamic terrorism must be the primary goal. And in that, even the EJists will help, since they also face the same mortal threat from radical islamic terrorism.

Hence the conditioning of foreign aid must be looked from that angle.

I completely disagree.

Also, please note it isn't "foreign aid" that is the problem... bhhaad mein jaaye American foreign aid, as far as India is concerned.

It is the very strong likelihood, being advocated by Pro-Trump EJs as well as White House Officials, of this "Religious Freedom" executive order being expanded to cover both (1) "Military Assistance".... now that we're actually buying defense-related stuff from America and (2) Deployment of Sanctions.

But more to the point:

The EJs are a far greater threat to India and Hindu civilization than any Radical Islamists. We are already seeing to the Radical Islamists. Nothing, repeat Nothing, that the Dhimmicrats do can in any way stop us from dealing with the Radical Islamists as we must and as we choose to.

The chief obstacles to India dealing with Radical Islamists are and have always been internal to India--- the local Jihad-pasand Muslims of course (including all layers of Shiv's Oil Drop), but very importantly the Congis and Left and their ecosystem. The second biggest problem... and after Balakot etc. it's a very distant second... was Pakistan.

The US was annoying at best when they had "human rights hearings" on Kashmir but they were never, ever, able to substantively affect how India dealt with Radical Islam. Not in 1971 when a (Republican) President sent a CBG into the Bay of Bengal to threaten us on behalf of Radical Islamists... and certainly not today.

Our main takleef with the Ilhan Omars, Pramila Jayapals, Ro Khannas of the world is, let's face it, a perfectly justifiable moral indignation (that these scumbags who talk of "social justice" and "peace/harmony" act as complete mouthpieces, via CAIR, for Islamic supremacist Hinduphobic propaganda). But what could they ever really do? "Jalaao" us with opeds in WaPo and NYT? Who cares... even the average Joe Democratic voter who reads those rags has hardly any infinitesimal amount of attention to give to Indian Subcontinent Hindu-Muslim Affairs. Only we get jalaaoed... for the vast majority of Dems and Lefties in the US, it's in one ear and out the other.

Compare this with just one instance of what USCIRF did under the Republican George W Bush administration. The Modi Visa Denial was predicated on the "2002 Riots" calumny... but that was only for public consumption. The real reason USCIRF wanted to shut down Modi was entirely Christian-inspired, and two fold. It was based on RSS' successful countermeasures against rampant EJ activity in the Dangs of Gujarat, and on the international EJ nexus that sought to install Sonia Gandhi as India's leader at any cost, which (correctly) saw Modi as the chief potential threat to INC-mediated Christian domination of India in perpetuity.

What the EJs are capable of, through economic and other types of leverage, the Radical Islamists themselves could never hope to achieve (let alone the Dhimmicrat supporters of Radical Islamists).

By the way, the very fact that USCIRF EJs used the Godhra-Ahmedabad violence to slander Hindus exclusively, effectively obscuring the fact that jihadis burned a train car full of 59 Hindu women and children, shows how wrong your perception is that the "EJs will help us". They know that they, too, can handle the Islamists eventually. But they will not hesitate for one second to use Islamists as a tool to undermine and destroy Hindu civilization. They have been doing exactly that for decades.

EJists have the measure of Islam very well. They fought them in the reconquista, crusades, colonial era, world wars, cold war... and for the most part they dominated Muslim civilization completely. Big picture, even a 9/11 (of which the Islamists haven't been able to repeat even one more comparable instance) matters little. The Christian West knows that it can assert its prerogatives over Islam any time... they do not pose any "mortal threat" which the Christian West isn't perfectly capable of handling.

We are a much bigger civilizational challenge... impossible to fathom, difficult to pin down, rapidly rebuilding our national power, and increasingly asserting our independence at a level that Western Christian supremacists find very alarming.

Hence what we hve is a choice between the annoying, barking pomeranians of the Democratic Party and the quiet, but highly poisonous snakes of the Republican party.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 14 Nov 2019 00:03

ramana wrote:RD, Just today info released that India banned 1807 NGOs for FCRA violation..
Frankly you need to remove the Orange sunglasses and see the view.
Distortions are no expected from you. Lots of people rely on you.
Don't lose them.

Ramana I don't understand. India has been cracking down on FCRA-violating NGOs since 2014. That is an act of NDA2 and now NDA3 governments of India. What is the connection to US politics?

Also, can you point out where it is that I am introducing distortions? As for colored Rep/Dem sunglasses I think I am one of the few people who (on this thread, at least) does not wear any.