The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 21 Aug 2011 18:31

^^
Who is the leader with credibility who can communicate or defend any thing.

The 2G scam artists of the dynasty are like emperors. They never talk to the lowly Indians. They only address them through their chamchas and anti-national/anti-Hindu NGO looters.

The MMS mumbles in press conference for few selected press people. The only time he will go berserk when he see Advani. He gets energized and starts yelling.

The Dogvijay, Sibal, Manish Tiwari, and Chidu have -100 credibility. They are pieces of trash who can talk RSS and Hindu terror on every topic.

Who will address this constituency which has been ignored for all these years?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 21 Aug 2011 18:45

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
— Omar Khayyám

Lo,the "writing is on the wall" and the Congress heedeth it not.Neither the head at the banquet table, nor the members of his family heedeth the writ of moving finger.In their power drunken stupor they laugh and jeer at the growing tide of humanity outside their palace,steeped in their delusions of invincibility and permanence.Harken to the pages of history Man Mohan Singh,it has to thee a tale to tell.

Daniel 5:1–4 describes "Belshazzar's Feast" in which the sacred vessels of Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, which had been brought to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar at the time of the Captivity were profaned by the company. The narrative unfolds against the background of the impending arrival of the Persian armies.

"King Belshazzar gave a great banquet for a thousand of his nobles and drank wine with them. While Belshazzar was drinking his wine, he gave orders to bring in the gold and silver goblets that Nebuchadnezzar his father had taken from the temple in Jerusalem, so that the king and his nobles, his wives and his concubines might drink from them. 3 So they brought in the gold goblets that had been taken from the temple of God in Jerusalem, and the king and his nobles, his wives and his concubines drank from them. 4 As they drank the wine, they praised the gods of gold and silver, of bronze, iron, wood and stone."
In consequence of this, during the festivities, a hand was seen writing on the wall of the chamber a mysterious sentence mene mene tekel upharsin, which defied all attempts at interpretation. Some Rabbinic interpretations (notably the mention in the Babylonian Talmud) say that the words were written in code, one possibility was that it was an atbash cipher, another being that the written Aramaic and Hebrew looked very different, even though they were pronounced similarly. Still, their natural denotations of weights and measures were superficially meaningless: "two minas, a shekel and two parts.". In the verb form, they were: mene, to number; tekel, to weigh; upharsin, to divide—literally "numbered, weighed, divided". When the Hebrew Daniel was called in, he read and interpreted the words. The last word (prs) he read as peres not parsin. His free choice of interpretation and decoding revealed the menacing subtext: "Thou art weighed in the balance and art found wanting". The divine menace against the dissolute Belshazzar, whose kingdom was to be divided between the Medes and Persians, was swiftly realized: in the last verse we are told that Belshazzar was slain in that same night, and that his power passed to Darius the Mede.

The Greek historians Herodotus and Xenophon also record that there was a festival in the city of Babylon the same night it fell to the Persians.[2]

This Biblical story is the source of the popular phrase "the writing on the wall" as a euphemism for impending doom that is so obvious only a fool would not see it coming. It also provides the origin for the similar expression "your days are numbered."

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 21 Aug 2011 18:59

^^ +400%

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 21 Aug 2011 19:05

abhishek_sharma wrote:10 Most Corrupt Indian Politicians

How sweet! not a single Congressi?

What about Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi, P Vhidambaram, etc?

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 21 Aug 2011 19:05

I hope NDA channels this frustration and anger among people to create a wave against this discredit crackpots who thing discrediting reforms, middle class and Hindus is the only way to rule India.

Hope this happens. How much is the pro-reforms stir? And anti -reservation?

Because the kind of people I saw on the TV, it seemed that commi ,sick-oo-larists,maoist triad had a good time.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 21 Aug 2011 19:15

pandyan wrote:Did Medha Patkar come on TV "It is unfair that Anna is getting so much attention...when farmers go on fast, there is no media coverage. but when BR and Anna go on fast everyone wakes up and listens. This is unfair and Anna should immediately stop his fasting". [This is how she explained her logic in one of the TV Shows...on why people should not protest except for her of course]

Probably Anna is trying to to get rid a little bit of Naxal and foreign-funded NGOs image. Jitters in Harsh Mander, Medha Patkar, Aruna and Dhothi roys too.

Either Rahul and Anna patchup via a kodak moment or Anna is a safron facist in the next step.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 21 Aug 2011 19:18

BR ? bharat rakshak ?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 21 Aug 2011 19:20

gakakkad wrote:BR ? bharat rakshak ?

Baba Ramdev a.k.a Bharat Rakshak

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 21 Aug 2011 19:37

watching we the people...zoya hassan bashing economic reforms and medha bashing sadhus....and burka ofcourse laughing her a** off. Middle class is now an issue. Sec-Left never fails to amuse

vina · Post by **vina** » 21 Aug 2011 19:47

Hmm. This Anna movement seems have tapped into something latent and deep inside the Mango Abduls and it has come boiling to the surface and there is now a seething mass movement.

Over the weekend, esp today evening, i saw crowds of people at multiple intersections (including the Jayadeva hopsital one on Bannerghatta Road, in front of Eye Eye Yumm earlier, a couple of places in Jayanagar, of course in the Cantt Area) and I am sure all in multiple places all over Bangalore and across the country as a whole. I thought this was a TV /Dilli based thing, but it is lot more widespread. The Govt better get shivering in it's dhotis. If the f*ck around now and try pussy footing, they are going to get wiped out in a tsunami of silent anger in the next election ,exactly what happened with the DMK in TN.

It seems like Spectrum Raja with his 2G, Kalmadi with his CWG and the gross and blatant looting that happened under Shri Yeddy's watch, and not to mention the total kleptocracy under Dr Artiste, seems to have been the straws that broke the camel's back. The Politicos will be shivering in their Dhotis now , and if this Anna business goes through, the unaccounted wealth squirreled away in Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Bermuda and other shady locations, including Londonistan is going to be shaken.

What can I say, it is simply awe inspiring and very humbling to see democracy in action.

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Aug 2011 19:57

this is a direct result of govt pricing of petroleum, the scooter, autorickshaw, motorcycle & m800 walas have now taken over. Until now the govt thought that only diesel lobby needed to be placated and petroleum users could be heaped with any number of hikes and insults and they would just take it lying down. Out with Ambani pricing of petrol by Ambani-stooge Pranab/Deora etc and bring in transparency and reduce the level of expenditure a normal lower-middle class person can bear and maybe we will see some cooling of tempers.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 21 Aug 2011 20:00

Artist?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Aug 2011 20:14

Anna speaking the maoist language
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... -voice-380

. The Naxalite movement was intellectually driven since its inception by middle class ideologues. The Anna Hazare crusade too has a middle-class leadership

Neither the Maoists nor Anna pay any heed to the Indian Constitution or to electoral system. Both the Maoists and Anna want to decide who is corrupt and who is clean, without, however, making any effort to join the political mainstream.

Maoists see a congruence in the final objective, though the routes are different.

Anna has spoken about rural India and the fight to save 'jal, jungle, zameen (water, forest and land)'. This has Maoist overtones. The Maoist statement in support of Anna read: "This is one rebellion which will test the resilience of the Indian state as never befor

The question is, where does Anna go from here or how can he stop the Frankenstein’s Monster he is creating. Branding all politicians corrupt virtually challenges the electoral process to choose a democratically-elected government.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 21 Aug 2011 20:15

pandyan wrote:the one who said the bridge between india and SL is fake

thx

sumishi · Post by **sumishi** » 21 Aug 2011 20:15

RoyG wrote:watching we the people...zoya hassan bashing economic reforms and medha bashing sadhus....and burka ofcourse laughing her a** off. Middle class is now an issue. Sec-Left never fails to amuse

Psy-ops Topic Heading there: Anna and Middle Class Mania. Not Protest, but "Mania."

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 21 Aug 2011 20:29

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Caution: While the $1.5 trillion figure is probably true, this website itself seems to be a Paki propaganda website.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 21 Aug 2011 20:33

Psy-ops Topic Heading there: Anna and Middle Class Mania. Not Protest, but "Mania."

I am truly confounded by all this attack against the middle class Indians!

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 21 Aug 2011 20:43

pandyan wrote:Did Medha Patkar come on TV "It is unfair that Anna is getting so much attention...when farmers go on fast, there is no media coverage. but when BR and Anna go on fast everyone wakes up and listens. This is unfair and Anna should immediately stop his fasting". [This is how she explained her logic in one of the TV Shows...on why people should not protest except for her of course]

Exactly my point. It is not easy to just take a high moral ground and garner massive support to make govt think.

Even Medha Patkar cant garner much support what Aruna Roy, Arundhati Roy or others from NAC can mobilize.

***

Just came back from unprecedented rally ever held in Mumbai, at 4:45 the crowd was stretching 2-3 kms upto Khar (from bandra). Very disciplined and decent people joined the rally which is still going on. People are joining and leaving. At one point it was almost stretching 5 kms.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 21 Aug 2011 20:44

Muppalla wrote:
gakakkad wrote:BR ? bharat rakshak ?
Baba Ramdev a.k.a Bharat Rakshak

Mupalla, very witty. Good one!

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 21 Aug 2011 20:49

The question is, where does Anna go from here or how can he stop the Frankenstein’s Monster he is creating. Branding all politicians corrupt virtually challenges the electoral process to choose a democratically-elected government.

AH's Score is
6 Ministers
400 Bureaucrats

He is still capable to score much. He can still increase his score as a pastime.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 21 Aug 2011 20:52

Hazare telling gov to go if lokpal not implemented. Where is sonia btw? Agnivesh and others around hazare make this whole thing stink. However, i get the feeling that lefties are being let down. Don't really know where this whole movement is going.

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Aug 2011 21:00

How sweet! not a single Congressi?

What about Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi, P Vhidambaram, etc?

When Yeddi ( who is a micro babe in the politico corruption world) makes top 10, you know that the article is BS.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 21 Aug 2011 21:01

Let the movement go anywhere (ultimately it will go to parliament), government's corruption is exposed to public. This is bringing little bit of transparency. People now know how the things move in parliament and who exactly are responsible for very sorry state of affairs of the nation.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 21 Aug 2011 21:17

I don't know where the AH movement will lead, but I do know that it has unleashed a beast which the politocos are going to find difficult to subdue...All this outpouring from the mango-abdul is spontaneous The attitude of GOI to AH has become synonymous with treatment of mango-abduls at the hand of NBPJ....it personifies the struggle and yearnings of the aam-aadmi.

I also saw the debate on NDTV...there is only one to describe this channel and its hosts - "shameless". Some how, an attempt is been made to make the AH movement 'middle class' centric and show it as not meeting the aspirations of others (OBC/SC/ST/Tribals). As usual, you can some real bleeding heart liberals and BD was using her usual tactics to channel the debate in one direction. What these ch**t@ don't get is that the middle class is as much Indian as anyone else. Its aspirations are as valid as rest of Indians. It is the backbone sustaining all the economic development and 'Shining India'...also, it is not beholden to anyone for its success and in general, does not require mai-baap to succeed.

I think what has happened is that the support to AH was not expected by the political class. These people have all these years learned to game the traditional voting class...the reaction of middle-class is something which India, and our politicians, has never seen and hence, the complete lack of strategy on part of GOI to tackle the situation. They have tried x and y and z, hoping something will stick but to no avail. Another important variable is the 'information-war'...the people do not need the channels or newspaper to form an opinion and more importantly, disseminate the same. The opinions have been formed and disseminated using twitter and FB and SMS and what not.....see the difference here between use of technology in London riots and AH movement!!! This group of people can take on BD or any Aruna Roy or xyz and debate with them. Information - opinion formation and dissemination-is no ones prerogative and this has made all the difference Debates on NDTV are nit worth anything...

All in all, I'm a happy citizen....the future of this nation is in right hands.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 21 Aug 2011 21:20

chackojoseph wrote:I have not seen anyone comparing Anna With Jesus in media or anything. Please show me where it has been done.

A (Hazare) = B(Gandhi) A new 'Gandhi' shakes India

B (Gandhi) = C(Jesus) A new 'Gandhi' shakes India and Aiyar objects to Jayalalithas demand

Therefore, A = C. Yes, I know its hyperbole, and I find it strange that people are going overboard, but I automatically made the association after reading these two articles.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 21 Aug 2011 21:24

^^^ Rohit

I think a byproduct of AH agitation is that it has brought people across linguistic, caste and religious lines together.

Our constitution is supreme and treats all indians as ==

The DDM's and their political masters have prefected the art of dividing us along those lines. If they have any brains, they should realise that slowly they are getting painted into a corner!

if anyone is guilty of rubbishing the supremacy in our constitution, it is them only!

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 21 Aug 2011 21:32

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 21 Aug 2011 21:42

vera_k wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:I have not seen anyone comparing Anna With Jesus in media or anything. Please show me where it has been done.
A (Hazare) = B(Gandhi) A new 'Gandhi' shakes India

B (Gandhi) = C(Jesus) A new 'Gandhi' shakes India and Aiyar objects to Jayalalithas demand

Therefore, A = C. Yes, I know its hyperbole, and I find it strange that people are going overboard, but I automatically made the association after reading these two articles.

Sir, I read it. I cannot connect to what you are saying. Now you call it overboard.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 21 Aug 2011 21:47

CJ, I understood it.

According to Mani Aiyar: Priyanka= Jesus=Gandhi

Now since someone called Hazare=Gandhi

Thats were it comes from.

Twisted out of shape. Connecting things out of context. Whoever thought of this, I will be polite enough not to comment about their......whatever, or lack of it.

Chill CJ

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 21 Aug 2011 21:52

chackojoseph wrote:Sir, I read it. I cannot connect to what you are saying. Now you call it overboard.

I think its overboard to compare Hazare with Gandhi and Gandhi with Jesus. But it has happened, so make a note of it, because it can influence what happens (like with the viceroy).

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 21 Aug 2011 22:02

rajanb

vera_k,

Ok mate. I am not out to get ya! I request you not to say things that brings out the bad taste in such an auspicious moments like fight against corruption. Its time for unity. There are John Dayals who can't fathom this, don't react to such people. You know, when Anna hazare and us common men win, they will have to see our point of view.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 21 Aug 2011 22:04

Baba Ramdev a.k.a Bharat Rakshak

No thanks

sumishi · Post by **sumishi** » 21 Aug 2011 22:11

What a loony toon is this Rahul?? (Headlines Today), doing a Karan Thapar (CNN IBN) on Arvind Kejriwal and Prashant Bhushan right now. Seems like he has a lot of ants in his nether parts.

The guests are doing quite well, BTW

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 21 Aug 2011 22:15

sumishi wrote:What a loony toon is this Rahul?? (Headlines Today), doing a Karan Thapar (CNN IBN) on Arvind Kejriwal and Prashant Bhushan right now. Seems like he has a lot of ants in his nether parts. The guests are doing quite well, BTW

I saw that. but Kejriwal stuffed him nicely.

Infact I continued watching it so that I could enjoy the polite screws.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 21 Aug 2011 22:15

Surya wrote:
Baba Ramdev a.k.a Bharat Rakshak
No thanks

+1000% no thanks

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Aug 2011 22:24

From PTI-Advani asks for PM's resignation, asks for election.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 21 Aug 2011 22:26

VAT about sonia yaar?

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 21 Aug 2011 22:30

Muppalla wrote:
gakakkad wrote:BR ? bharat rakshak ?
Baba Ramdev a.k.a Bharat Rakshak

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 21 Aug 2011 22:31

RoyG wrote:VAT about sonia yaar?

She will come and accept Lokpal and give AH a glass of water.Rahul does charan sparsh and India celebrates! Rahul becomes PM.MMS fired for incompetence and will be blamed for all corruption inc in India!!

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 21 Aug 2011 22:36

Altair wrote:
RoyG wrote:VAT about sonia yaar?
She will come and accept Lokpal and give AH a glass of water.Rahul does charan sparsh and India celebrates! Rahul becomes PM.MMS fired for incompetence and will be blamed for all corruption inc in India!!