Re: Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013
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Sure, I have said that they are currently limited in what they can do. Where is the issue?First, banks dont "issue money". I dont know if you know what issuing money is. The only "issuer of money", in the sense you seem to mean it, in any country is the central bank (RBI here).
Second, these licenses are being given for "payment banks". Do read up on what payment banks are all about. They represent a very narrow and small segment of what constitutes banking activities in normal commercial banks, ie, small money transfers and remittances.
Third, Reliance is in a JV with SBI for this venture. If anything, this will be a sort of "joint sector" company, or PPP!
The Butterfly Effect holds that a butterfly flapping its wings in some place can, in theory, cause a hurricane somewhere else weeks down the line. The term, coined by Edward Lorenz, came into vogue as weather forecasters saw that a small variation in initial atmospheric conditions can lead to completely unanticipated weather outcomes elsewhere.
Yesterday (19 August), Reserve Bank Governor Raghuram Rajan flapped his wings and set off what could turn out to be a revolutionary storm in the Indian banking system - a storm bigger than the one created when private banks were first given licences in the 1990s.
Eleven private parties were given licences to set up "payment banks" - banks which can do everything a regular bank can do - take deposits, pay bills, issue cheques and drafts, et al. The only thing they can't do is lend to you and me. Payment banks can only lend to the government and almost anybody with Rs 100 crore in his pocket can, in future, set up a payment bank, assuming they pass the RBI’s “fit and proper” norm (which basically means if you are not a crook, or someone who has cocked a snook at the regulator, you can get a licence). This means payment banks will theoretically be the safest of banks since they have only the government as borrower – and governments don’t default. In future, payment bank licences may be available on tap, and we could see even 50-100 such banks being set up. India will be fully banked over the next decade.
That payment banking is a big deal is evident from who’s got the initial set of licences – the big boys and billionaires are there. Among them: the Aditya Birla Group, Reliance Industries (majority owner of Network 18, which publishes Firstpost), the big telcos (Airtel, Vodafone), the National Securities Depository (which holds almost all of India’s stocks in demat form, and provides the backbone for a tax information network), PayTM (India’s biggest mobile wallet company), Tech Mahindra (one of the Top Five IT companies in India), and Sun Pharma’s Dilip Shanghvi. Billionaires wouldn’t be filling in forms at the RBI’s window if they didn’t think payment banking was the in thing, though they might prefer to become regular banks, if that were possible. Since the RBI does not want corporates in banking, they are going for the next big thing that’s available – payment bank licences.
The reasons why payment banking will revolutionise money movement are many. Consider the areas they will touch, and how their mere presence will impact everyone.
First, and foremost, payment banks will bridge the last mile (or last 10-20 miles) between bank branches and the remote customer living in a rural hamlet. Payment banks will essentially rely on technology to reach payment services to all customers, using mobiles as the vehicle of banking. Mobiles go even where humans don’t. Physical bank branches (or bankers or ATMs) will still be needed for some functions - opening an account, depositing cash, etc - but all day-to-day payments, including peer-to-peer payments) can be done remotely. The mobile phone will become the virtual ATM and small-payments cheque-book. In less than 10 years, every Indian will have a bank account. Payment banks are the key enablers.
Second, banking costs will come down due to intense competition driven by the expected proliferation of payment banks. Currently, we pay through our noses for banking services, whether it is above-limit ATM transactions, additional cheque-books, big money transfers, maintenance of minimum balances, or draft issuance fees. These costs will come down as payment banks start offering zero-balance accounts and low-cost services. Currently, efficient private banks like HDFC Bank, ICICI Bank and Axis Bank make huge profits from their low-cost current and savings bank accounts, but a big chunk of this will move to payment banks, who may offer higher savings bank rates of 5-7 percent. The HDFCs mint money since they only have to compete with slothful public sector banks. Now, they will have nimbler rivals to worry about. The customer will finally be Queen.
Third, the public sector banks are sitting ducks for bankruptcy and taxpayer bailouts if they do not change. Between then, efficient payment and private sector banks will take away their lucrative businesses and prized customers, as they will be both well capitalised and efficient. The government should privatise the weaker banks quickly if it is not to be stuck with feeding white elephants permanently. It can’t cope with one Air India; if it does not privatise, it will have several Air Indias on its hands. The weaker public sector banks are dead ducks.
Fourth, the arrival of payment banks - including India Post - will transform social welfare and subsidy schemes. Even if the Modi government does no other reform but this one, government subsidy payments to the poor - whether for LPG, kerosene or even food and fertiliser - can now be routed through regular and payment banks. India Post is already there in places where banks aren't there (with over 1.5 lakh post offices), and tomorrow Airtel and Vodafone and Idea (and Reliance Jio, when it enters mobile telephony later this year) will reach customers through mobile-enabled payment systems. The holy triad of Jan Dhan no-frills bank accounts, Aadhaar IDs and mobile banking will enable direct payments to the poor, eliminating fake recipients, ensuring cash in zero-balance accounts, etc. Inclusive banking and subsidy reforms are simply the biggest things to happen during the Modi government, even though the seeds for this were planted by earlier governments. The difference between State Bank and Airtel is simply this: both have over 200 million customers, but Airtel can go where State Bank cannot with a branch.
Fifth, mobile banking will create the conditions for cash-less banking. This means, over time, the mobile will perform the same role as credit and debit cards, obviating the need for too many cash payments. Even ATM expansion can now be slowed down in cities, and focused on distant villages or towns.
Sixth, we now have one additional tool to eliminate black money in large parts of the financial system. A government that wants to eliminate black money - which the Modi government says it wants to - can effectively ban cash transactions once a 95 percent mobile and Jan Dhan penetration rate is achieved. India is close to reaching a mobile user base of one billion, and Jan Dhan is said to have reached all households. The next target for Jan Dhan should be universal adult coverage through mobile, payment banking. It is achievable in five to 10 years, with some public and private investment in financial literacy education and empowerment of rural citizens, especially women.
Seventh, the government will be one of the biggest beneficiaries of payment banking, as payment banks will expand its access to cheap funds. Currently, banks are the major investors in government bonds. While this will remain so even with the entry of payment banks, the sheer impact of additional money coming into payment bank accounts which can only invest in short-term government bills of up to one year's maturity means short-term rates will come down, and the government can borrow more cheaply.
Eighth, bank depositors can expect to earn higher short-terms deposit rates from payment banks, and the old 4 percent savings bank norm will probably fade away.
After payment banks, the RBI will license “small banks”, which have to focus loans on small borrowers and not big corporates. Once this happens, non-bank finance companies will become "small banks" and make financial inclusion more complete from the small borrower's point of view.
Between them, payments banks and small banks will make Indian banking more competitive and more inclusive on both the assets and liabilities sides – that is, for both depositors and borrowers. The era of the consumer is finally at hand.
I think postal systems are dying everywhere because of electronic means of communication. I don't know about the financial health in India but as you know, in the US it is under loss in billions. I am sure that in India it will soon get to the same as we progress and it will have to be supported as a loss making but essential service.Rahul M wrote:this just might rejuvenate the desi postal system.
The US Postal system is in financial trouble mainly because of politics in the US Congress that prevent it from doing anything, from raising prices, to restructuring. Congress also required it to deposit enough money to cover the pension obligations for the next 75 years within a 10 year time span - which makes no sense. It receives zero tax dollars for its operation, by the way.KJo wrote: I think postal systems are dying everywhere because of electronic means of communication. I don't know about the financial health in India but as you know, in the US it is under loss in billions.
Sar,Theo_Fidel wrote:Hnair was saying that even a simple ATM has operating cost ~ 1 Lakh/month.
Can this postal delivery system be cheaper? I think it is going to be tough to match that.
It would be better and cheaper to conduct transactions via ATM. No need to wait for postal guy and live at his/her marzi… ..24/7/365 access.
Longer term everything is being done on smart phone. Even in India this will happen.
Rahulji,Rahul M wrote:this just might rejuvenate the desi postal system.
Not really, it depends on "how" you want to save the postal system. The built up network and logistics supply chain is simply too valuable to allow it to just wither away. Please see my previous comment.RoyG wrote: Rahulji,
With internet penetration increasing, saving the postal system will be like saving Air India.
I do happen to know a little bit on modern bankingRoyG wrote: Sure, I have said that they are currently limited in what they can do. Where is the issue?
It seems like you need to read up on modern banking and how it works. Every time you deposit money in the bank they hold some and loan some in the form of credit. Credit = money!
The RBI buys gov bonds and then the gov prints physical and in the form of public spending credit. So in a sense, it's a joint responsibility.
Now luckily for us, most of the banking in India is state owned and the family isn't broken so fiscal responsibility of the household is very much intact.
Maybe because he is a real "guru", unlike most BRF gurusYagnasri wrote:RBI Gov seems to contradicting views of the brf gurus
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opi ... 552799.cms
These new banks will not go to rural areas and operate or provide connectivity etc there. They only will try to do business in towns and cities, which are already having these services. Further most of existing banks have mobile banking etc and this will only force them to do better delivery.
It took almost a year for RBI to do this work. That is the pathetic performance.
PO Savings bank is a neat idea, actually. India Post already has the brick and mortar - more extensive than anyone else. Its target audience wont have an issue with a depo cap of 1 lac. And it can pitch itself as the primary carrier of govt cash doles - LPG, MNREGA et al.Singha wrote:>>I believe Khan, while doing a reasonable job of re-purposing, errs massively in ignoring the older gen and their attachment to PO services
thats not a PO khan problem, its a general khan problem. the old are being shoved out and left to fend for themselves on every front. youth rules.
its probably not a great country to be old and ill in, unless one is very rich or has devoted children living close by.
Not merely a huge savings bank but probably the biggest in the world by deposit base with $3 trillion in deposits . They also have ATMs all over the place that also work at hours when the regular ones seemed to be out of service, in my experience.VijayR wrote:Japan Post is actually a huge savings bank as well as an insurance company
Postal revenues are a small part of its total turnover
precisely.amit wrote:Not really, it depends on "how" you want to save the postal system. The built up network and logistics supply chain is simply too valuable to allow it to just wither away. Please see my previous comment.RoyG wrote: Rahulji,
With internet penetration increasing, saving the postal system will be like saving Air India.
Payment banks cannot extend credit - they will deploy their monies in G-Secs. They could theoretically be vehicles of funding govt subsidies in cash.Suraj wrote: The new payment bank system and recent moves were telegraphed months ago in the Economic Survey document released with the Budget . It describes a lot of the grand plan to fix the subsidy and credit delivery system . It doesn't make for a big budget speech but the effects will be dramatic when millions of MSMEs go from pays % rates per day to similar rates, but levied on a per year basis .
But they are intended to be the 'last mile' in credit delivery across the country - and therefore expected to play a key role in bringing down the cost of credit to the financially underserved.somnath wrote:Payment banks cannot extend credit - they will deploy their monies in G-Secs. They could theoretically be vehicles of funding govt subsidies in cash.
That's a slogan, not a business model. As of now, they can't underwrite any credit, first mile or last mile. Credit is delivered by someone underwriting it.Arjun wrote:But they are intended to be the 'last mile' in credit delivery across the country - and therefore expected to play a key role in bringing down the cost of credit to the financially underserved.somnath wrote:Payment banks cannot extend credit - they will deploy their monies in G-Secs. They could theoretically be vehicles of funding govt subsidies in cash.
SA deposit are very profitable, they are the second lowest cost of any liability instrument.Yagnasri wrote:Cost of credit also depend on cost of funds ( deposits). If payment banks take most of the saving accounts then cost of the funds will increase and due to the cost of credit also.
You didn't understand...they are not in the business of lending or underwriting. They would be intermediaries, delivering institutional credit from third-party financial providers. 'Last mile' access would be provided for institutional credit, in regions which had not been reachable earlier.somnath wrote:That's a slogan, not a business model. As of now, they can't underwrite any credit, first mile or last mile. Credit is delivered by someone underwriting it.
How would the "institutional" credit provider underwrite the risk, if it doesn't have access to the borrower?Arjun wrote:You didn't understand...they are not in the business of lending or underwriting. They would be intermediaries, delivering institutional credit from third-party financial providers. 'Last mile' access would be provided for institutional credit, in regions which had not been reachable earlier.somnath wrote:That's a slogan, not a business model. As of now, they can't underwrite any credit, first mile or last mile. Credit is delivered by someone underwriting it.
Actually collection of small savings is a good job done by India Post. They can actually leverage their infra better by being a payment bank. They won't be a monopoly but the most scale player in that spaceTheo_Fidel wrote:India posts already does the following.
- Money orders.
- Pension payments
- Life insurance
- Small savings
- Forex
- Western Union
- Aadhar Cards
None of these has had an appreciable impact on the economy or even the Postal service, well except maybe the small savings.
Making it the monopoly in yet another financial instrument will probably only doom the instrument involved.
Lets keep in mind India post already has annual loss ~ Rs 7,000 Crore per year.
I cannot understand this Payment bank bijeess ji. Doesn't India Post already collect deposits and make money transfers, and as for as I know that has been done like forever! Everyone and his great grandfather has probably sent and received a money order in the old days, including probably the "telegraphic money order" .Actually collection of small savings is a good job done by India Post. They can actually leverage their infra better by being a payment bank. They won't be a monopoly but the most scale player in that space
The payments bank would collect all documents required for underwriting and pass on to the underwriting bank....there are also BC models permitted by the RBI.somnath wrote:How would the "institutional" credit provider underwrite the risk, if it doesn't have access to the borrower?
Like everything else in India it is all 'maya'. In the sense that nothing is what it appears to be on the surface. Payments bank is actually a 'deposits' bank which may or may not do 'payments'. The bank is freed of priority sector lending and such other pesky little things that RBI imposes. I suspect if a particular deposit is linked to a transaction of loan it would could be structured as a payment. So there you are, a full fledged finacial intermediation masquerading as a money order transaction.vina wrote:I cannot understand this Payment bank bijeess ji. Doesn't India Post already collect deposits and make money transfers, and as for as I know that has been done like forever! Everyone and his great grandfather has probably sent and received a money order in the old days, including probably the "telegraphic money order" .Actually collection of small savings is a good job done by India Post. They can actually leverage their infra better by being a payment bank. They won't be a monopoly but the most scale player in that space
So, what is this Pay-e-ment Bank Bijness ji. A rebranding eggsercise ?
Being a DSA isn't part of its approved list of activities.Arjun wrote:The payments bank would collect all documents required for underwriting and pass on to the underwriting bank....there are also BC models permitted by the RBI.somnath wrote:How would the "institutional" credit provider underwrite the risk, if it doesn't have access to the borrower?
Actually a bit more as well. A payment bank can open bank accounts without branches. Collect deposits outside of a branch. And have a liabilities distribution that is outsourced. All this is better than what is allowed for full banks.nandakumar wrote: Like everything else in India it is all 'maya'. In the sense that nothing is what it appears to be on the surface. Payments bank is actually a 'deposits' bank which may or may not do 'payments'. The bank is freed of priority sector lending and such other pesky little things that RBI imposes. I suspect if a particular deposit is linked to a transaction of loan it would could be structured as a payment. So there you are, a full fledged finacial intermediation masquerading as a money order transaction.