Bharat Rakshak

If needed we can always be diplomatic and ask for Indian treasure to be returned etc…
and for the guy who says Indians are unsentimental and ruthless negotiators, well you ain’t seen anything yet but still much better than the Chinese who line up his pockets for the stiff upper lip

EAM Jaishankar has mentioned 45T may times in various interviews. This number is based on a study but I think it is a huge underestimation compared to the loot that Britain did with India. India kept its wealth in Temples (like Tirupati of today) but they were not kept in obvious places like within the temple. The many wars between Rajas would unearth these treasures. The Brits would observe the feuding at a distance and they would swoop down on the victorious kings and snatch away the gold and treasures and duly cart them away to England. There was huge amounts of gold that India had accumulated over centuries due to its trade of spices and other goods. All of them disappeared into the Bank vaults of Queen of England.

One topic that can be discussed is the reparations for the number of soldiers that died in WW1 & WW2 - 350,000, what are human lives worth, oh lecturer of human rights and morality? The Kohi-noor diamond is another. BTW the palace even today feeds a few ravens to keep away bad luck to the throne of England. The diamond was recut by the British and they have no idea about diamond cuts that can prevent such bad luck.

UK is never going to pay even 25% of 47 trillion leave alone 300 T. The time is better spent trying to make them accept a large number of immigrants from India to the UK as well as joint rights for India in their IPR, at least those IP which the UK govt. owns outright. They must be having quite a bit in BAE (Marconi for example), Nuclear, and O&G sectors.

Vayutuvan wrote:UK is never going to pay even 25% of 47 trillion leave alone 300 T. The time is better spent trying to make them accept a large number of immigrants from India to the UK as well as joint rights for India in their IPR, at least those IP which the UK govt. owns outright. They must be having quite a bit in BAE (Marconi for example), Nuclear, and O&G sectors.

make a public demand for reparations and compensations

Pass a resolution in parliament, naming and shaming these racists

push and keep the britshits' on the backfoot

Also, demand denominational and doctrinal contrition for the goan inquisitions and declare a day of mourning in memory of the Hindus who perished in these heretical genocides

chetak wrote:push and keep the britshits' on the backfoot

That too. But we should squeeze what we can out of them using saama first.

There are fallacies surrounding how Britain looted wealth from India. Sure plenty of physical artifacts were looted. But that is not the primary manner of wealth extraction.

Only around 200,000 tonnes of gold have ever been mined in all human history. Approx 2.5K tonnes are mined annually. In comparison around 3 billion tonnes of iron ore are mined in a year. All the gold ever produced adds up to ~$8 trillion today, less than the lower end of what is estimated to be stolen from India.

A common argument about the plus side of colonialism is that Britain gave India modern industrial products. Train system. cars, and more. Hidden in this argument is the mercantilist theft involved. This needs to stop, not just because its paternalistic, but because it ignores the completely obvious reality - those examples themselves are acts of theft. Those things are not assets - they are depreciating consumable goods. This is like poor people in the US using credit and payday loans to buy 60" flatscreen TVs and SUVs.

They were simultaneously destroying the domestic industrial base, forbidding the acquisition of technical and industrial knowledge, extracting raw material, embargoing exports of finished products from India, and importing their production into India. India was exchanging iron ore and ruinous taxation on agriculture, for those nice cars and trains.

A country gains wealth by leveraging its relative advantages, available capital and technology to produce value added goods. India was compelled to quite literally the opposite paradigm - stay an agrarian pre-industrial economy, yet have resources and wealth extracted from it to pay for industrial goods and urban infrastructure that it had no base of economy to pay for - almost all of it imported from the UK which happily took the resources, produced goods and billed us for it, then billed us for the maintenance and disposal. This theft exceeds that of gold by a long distance.

No automobiles were made in India until the mid 1940s, when Mahindras got a Willys license, among others. In 1950, New Zealand (population 1.9 million) produced more automobiles than India (population 360 million). 99% of all rolling stock in use in India up to 1947 was imported, except the few hundred locos produced at Ajmer Loco Works between the 1890s and 1940s. We know of Tata's being discouraged from starting Tata Steel. The tracks were imported. Indian 'value addition' was the legacy of the coolies laying tracks, in India, Africa and elsewhere.

When a country has to be compelled to deindustrialize (eliminate its secondary economy) and pay for secondary and tertiary goods and services with little more than its raw material and agricultural production, what you get is mercantile theft. It seems Indians simply do not articulate the simple reality of the commonest British statement of their benevolence - same as the poor American who thinks they're getting a great flatscreen TV. No, you're not getting any benefit, you've just been robbed blind.

Vayutuvan wrote:

chetak wrote:push and keep the britshits' on the backfoot

That too. But we should squeeze what we can out of them using saama first.

they are not going to give anyone anything

it will open the floodgates

so, it's best to keep them off balance

Also i have to add. I tend to shame every bigot from poodlistan who argues online. shame them until they log off.

One of the arguments against the quantum of loot, that Britain tries to prop up to the rest of the world, is that there wasn't much that India had, for it to loot. This is a fallacy. The Indian share of World GDP is well documented and studied and prior to the Brits, India was the leading economy in the world by a wide margin. When the Brits left, India was a poor and paupered nation with very little left in the exchequer and its share of the world GDP was miniscule/negligible. With the Mughal invasion into India, the share of world GDP remained high since there was no disruption of trade and goods/services were produced in India. The only disruption that India faced was the ruler, who thankfully did not cart away stuff to Samarkhand. Based on such reading in today's terms the figure of 300 T is not a stretch. The US Market Cap currently exceeds 500+T.

bala wrote:One of the arguments against the quantum of loot, that Britain tries to prop up to the rest of the world, is that there wasn't much that India had, for it to loot. This is a fallacy. The Indian share of World GDP is well documented and studied and prior to the Brits, India was the leading economy in the world by a wide margin. When the Brits left, India was a poor and paupered nation with very little left in the exchequer and its share of the world GDP was miniscule/negligible. With the Mughal invasion into India, the share of world GDP remained high since there was no disruption of trade and goods/services were produced in India. The only disruption that India faced was the ruler, who thankfully did not cart away stuff to Samarkhand. Based on such reading in today's terms the figure of 300 T is not a stretch. The US Market Cap currently exceeds 500+T.

From the start of the Islamic rule, one of the biggest exports of India was slaves - Indian slaves for central Asian/Persian horses. Indian slaves exported in such massive numbers that entire areas of northern India were completely depopulated - Rohilkhand and northern Punjab, for instance. Indian slaves were ~60% of the population of many places of central Asia - both for re-export to various other places and for local use, where they generally perished fast due to poor work conditions and travelling hazards - Hindu Kush has seen millions of poor Indian peasants die miserably when being marched off to Central Asia. The unskilled labour was so callously exploited that the attrition of slaves was horrendous. I generally never plug my own articles, but here is an example of what happened to Indian slaves in the Islamic era. And Islamic slave trade was massive - the numbers involved are larger than what the Europeans did to the Africans. Consequently, they did bring down Indian GDP quite a bit - from the ~33% in the pre-Muslim era to ~20-25% in the Muslim era, but India was a huge place, so our GDP was still around 20-25% in 1800, before the Brits did their final destruction of India.

https://anamikabharatiya.wordpress.com/ ... f-kashmir/

Abduction of Indian women for sex-slavery was also huge. While the numbers are not comparable, it hit some areas where the beauty of women pleased the Islamists - Kashmir, NWFP, Eastern Afghanistan, etc, for example. Every two bit Jihadi wanted Kashmiri and Kalash women in his harem, and there were organised bands of Jihadis working to achieve this goal. They had a huge role in the Islamisation of these regions.

Indian craftsmen and weavers were in huge demand and were sold in as far away places as Samarkand, Baghdad, and Istanbul - and I suspect, also Cairo. These were valuable merchandise and were treated a bit better. While the destruction done by the British was humongous, the damage done by the Islamists was no less. They just couldn't do it in as organised a fashion as the Brits.

bala wrote:.... Based on such reading in today's terms the figure of 300 T is not a stretch. The US Market Cap currently exceeds 500+T.

Sir, I am not an economist but US market capitalization of USD500+T looks like a stretch. As of 2020, the entire world's market cap is USD90-100T. US' market cap may be around USD40-50T. Can you please verify your numbers?

Note: That said, I am open to getting USD300T from Brit*rds

You are right Sir. The 500T was a study done by Wall Street types on all the futures, stocks not just US (that is a mistake) alone and other Ponzi schemes that are in play worldwide. The official worldwide market cap in 2022 is around 125T. The other thing I would like to point to is that the loot is not restricted only to UK, there are other Euro countries like Germany, Switzerland, France and others in the helping. Many of the current Euro/UK banks were capitalized with the loot from India. UK and Germany had a deep connection since UK Royalty is Gothe Saxon. Many of the "original" text of Vedas of India ended up in Germany.

The 300T is my bill with interest payment, supporting the UK for 200+ yrs in India, reparations for dead soldiers, famines payment, etc.

chetak wrote: make a public demand for reparations and compensations
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push and keep the britshits' on the backfoot

Also, demand denominational and doctrinal contrition for the goan inquisitions and declare a day of mourning in memory of the Hindus who perished in these heretical genocides

Sorry to point this out Chetak, your enthusiasm for compo is clouding your mind. The Brits were not responsible for the Inquisition. In fact they would tell you that they too were victims of the Inquisition if they were careless enough to fall into Spanish hands.

The Inquisition was a Spanish invention and was introduced to Goa to identify "Christians" who were actually fake ie practicing Hindus in private. It was done at a time when Spain and Portugal were united when the Spanish King married a Portuguese princess who inherited the Portuguese throne. So this one should be directed to Madrid/Lisbon.

Suraj wrote:There are fallacies surrounding how Britain looted wealth from India. Sure plenty of physical artifacts were looted. But that is not the primary manner of wealth extraction.

Only around 200,000 tonnes of gold have ever been mined in all human history. Approx 2.5K tonnes are mined annually. In comparison around 3 billion tonnes of iron ore are mined in a year. All the gold ever produced adds up to ~$8 trillion today, less than the lower end of what is estimated to be stolen from India.

A common argument about the plus side of colonialism is that Britain gave India modern industrial products. Train system. cars, and more. Hidden in this argument is the mercantilist theft involved. This needs to stop, not just because its paternalistic, but because it ignores the completely obvious reality - those examples themselves are acts of theft. Those things are not assets - they are depreciating consumable goods. This is like poor people in the US using credit and payday loans to buy 60" flatscreen TVs and SUVs.

They were simultaneously destroying the domestic industrial base, forbidding the acquisition of technical and industrial knowledge, extracting raw material, embargoing exports of finished products from India, and importing their production into India. India was exchanging iron ore and ruinous taxation on agriculture, for those nice cars and trains.

A country gains wealth by leveraging its relative advantages, available capital and technology to produce value added goods. India was compelled to quite literally the opposite paradigm - stay an agrarian pre-industrial economy, yet have resources and wealth extracted from it to pay for industrial goods and urban infrastructure that it had no base of economy to pay for - almost all of it imported from the UK which happily took the resources, produced goods and billed us for it, then billed us for the maintenance and disposal. This theft exceeds that of gold by a long distance.

No automobiles were made in India until the mid 1940s, when Mahindras got a Willys license, among others. In 1950, New Zealand (population 1.9 million) produced more automobiles than India (population 360 million). 99% of all rolling stock in use in India up to 1947 was imported, except the few hundred locos produced at Ajmer Loco Works between the 1890s and 1940s. We know of Tata's being discouraged from starting Tata Steel. The tracks were imported. Indian 'value addition' was the legacy of the coolies laying tracks, in India, Africa and elsewhere.

When a country has to be compelled to deindustrialize (eliminate its secondary economy) and pay for secondary and tertiary goods and services with little more than its raw material and agricultural production, what you get is mercantile theft. It seems Indians simply do not articulate the simple reality of the commonest British statement of their benevolence - same as the poor American who thinks they're getting a great flatscreen TV. No, you're not getting any benefit, you've just been robbed blind.

I (not having been raised in India) first became aware of this some twenty-five years ago when Shashi Tharoor spoke in a debate to the Oxford Union. I apologise for mentioning him as I know he is not popular around here. However he opened the eyes of the British students (and myself) to the lengths the Brits went to suppress industries in India and keep their colonies as clients for their inferior products. It is no coincidence that British industry collapsed when there were no longer colonies to buy their goods.

There was subsidiary speaker, an Indian lady economist who explained how the East India company required anyone who wanted to trade with India had to lodge the payment in gold at the EIC in London. They than paid the Indian supplier in rupees (at a favourable rate to the EIC). The rupees were obtained from the poll tax that evert Indian had to pay for the privilege of being in the Empire. I cannot recall the economist's name but I know that she wrote a book about it. This all brings to mind some of the injustices done to Indian indentured migrants to the West Indies, Fiji and even S. Africa who were paid in "chits" that were only redeemable at company stores at rates determined by their employer.

Aldonkar wrote:

chetak wrote: make a public demand for reparations and compensations
.
.
push and keep the britshits' on the backfoot

Also, demand denominational and doctrinal contrition for the goan inquisitions and declare a day of mourning in memory of the Hindus who perished in these heretical genocides

Sorry to point this out Chetak, your enthusiasm for compo is clouding your mind. The Brits were not responsible for the Inquisition. In fact they would tell you that they too were victims of the Inquisition if they were careless enough to fall into Spanish hands.

The Inquisition was a Spanish invention and was introduced to Goa to identify "Christians" who were actually fake ie practicing Hindus in private. It was done at a time when Spain and Portugal were united when the Spanish King married a Portuguese princess who inherited the Portuguese throne. So this one should be directed to Madrid/Lisbon.

Aldonkar,

the britshits are protestants and the inquisitionists are/were not.

The inquisition was and may be still is, a group of institutions within the catholic church whose aim was to combat heresy, conducting trials of suspected heretics and the inquisition had its start in the 12th-century Kingdom of France

what did you think was meant by "demand denominational and doctrinal contrition for the goan inquisitions"

I have been saying right from the beginning that there will be no compensation made by the britshits, so name them and shame them publicly and knowing all this, still make the demand for reparations and compensation publicly so that it gets high lighted and thereby discussed. The africans are bound to pitch in and help us so as to also high light their own cases

the britshits of today have no knowledge of what evil their ancestors were up to or even capable of getting up to because their school syllabi had of all traces of colonialism white washed many decades ago

for them, the past is all about spitfires, churchhill (the fag racist), the romanticism of the royal navy, heroism and valor of their soldiers, crushing the evil nazis and winning WWII all by themselves.

If at all, India is mentioned, en passant, there are romantic recollections of the raj, railways, and regally attired viceroys benignly governing civilizing the natives, and how much the India of today is beholden to them.

the cat o' nine tails, and the rum and bum part of the benevolent, as opposed to the factually correct, malevolent world wide britshit empire is never mentioned.


The cat o' nine tails, commonly shortened to the cat, is a type of multi-tailed whip that originated as an implement for severe physical punishment, notably in the Royal Navy and British Army, and as a judicial punishment in Britain and some other countries.

Well unfortunately India got a Chacha who was more a Chicha ... unlike Mao remembering his 100 years of humiliation we got a guy missing 100 days of Edwina! I hope some day in Delhi at least (but Kolkata my first choice as it was the 1st capital) we have our own museum of humiliation with excellent English typefaces explaining this loot and insult for the rest of our generations. I hand it to the Koreans, they spend every effort in their movies and dramas to rub it into the Japanese and ensure that despite their current trade and cultural relations, there is a trail of evidence and memories for the next generations.

^^^
What is going on here. Guys keep it simple. Look like retired CPI member spreading gyan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... hem-not-us
The Guardian view on non-dom tax status: them not us
Editorial, Thu 7 Apr 2022
It is not the legality of what the chancellor of the exchequer and his wife do with their money that matters; it’s the message that their choice sends about inequality and unfairness in Britain today. Rishi Sunak lives in Downing Street with his wife and their two children. As chancellor of the exchequer, he is in charge of the UK’s tax system and the country’s finances at a time when everybody’s living costs are soaring and public money is extremely tight. Mr Sunak naturally pays UK taxes on his earnings and assets. His wife, Akshata Murty, does not.
Although she has lived here for much of the past decade, Ms Murty holds non-domiciled tax status in the UK. This means that she pays no UK tax on her overseas earnings, on the basis that her permanent home is not here. Ms Murty is very, very rich indeed. Her stake in her Indian father’s technology business alone is worth an estimated £690m. She would have received around £11.5m in dividends from these shares in the last tax year. If she was a UK taxpayer, the Treasury would have taxed that at a rate of 38.1%, bringing in well over £4m a year to the public finances.
Ms Murty has broken no law by shielding that money from the Treasury. Her office stresses that she has also paid overseas taxes on the earnings. The UK’s independent adviser on ministerial interests has approved the arrangements. Non-dom tax status, after all, has existed since the colonial era. Regrettably, it remains legal. It is based on the idea that while a person may live here all year round, as Ms Murty does, they regard a foreign country, in this case India, as their true home. At the last count, some 75,700 individuals claimed non-dom status, thus depriving the Treasury of nearly £8bn in taxes and national insurance.
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Gautam

Brits did their final destruction of India

Besides economics, this part needs more elaboration, not here but in its own thread. Many people in India don't know about the DevaDasi System instituted by the Brits in India and conveniently putting the blame on Temples of India. Similarly the Sati system that the Brits incessantly kept pushing in their narratives as if it was a custom of India. The amount of hubris in British history about these topics is fake and false. I am not going to dwell on the above because it has a lot of unsavory stuff. Suffice to say the Brit soldiers and officers posted in India behaved similar to what the US soldiers did in Manilla, Phillipines.

bala wrote:

Brits did their final destruction of India

Many people in India don't know about the DevaDasi System instituted by the Brits in India and conveniently putting the blame on Temples of India.

Sir,

Could you please provide some links related to the above? What I had studied in school is that families in ancient Tamil kingdoms dedicated one of their daughters in the service of the local deity. Such people were held in high esteem in society. Over a period of time this institution got corrupted.

By accepting to discuss and self examine the Devadasi topic, we are already buying into western colonialist narrative. As if various forms of female exploitation didn't exist in the west like inquisitions, crusades, witch burning, slave trade, crusades, church pzaedophelia and colonisation.

Even for a moment assuming all that the west says about devadasis is true, it pales in comparison to their atrocities on their own people and others, they have no moral standing whatsoever to raise this topic with India(ns).

Cyrano wrote:By accepting to discuss and self examine the Devadasi topic, we are already buying into western colonialist narrative. As if various forms of female exploitation didn't exist in the west like inquisitions, crusades, witch burning, slave trade, crusades, church pzaedophelia and colonisation.

Even for a moment assuming all that the west says about devadasis is true, it pales in comparison to their atrocities on their own people and others, they have no moral standing whatsoever to raise this topic with India(ns).

I am not accepting anything nor am I under any mistaken impression that western society was a paradise on earth. I was asking this only to correct my understanding - if it was a western narrative - in contrast to what we were taught in school.

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... hem-not-us
The Guardian view on non-dom tax status: them not us
Editorial, Thu 7 Apr 2022
It is not the legality of what the chancellor of the exchequer and his wife do with their money that matters; it’s the message that their choice sends about inequality and unfairness in Britain today. Rishi Sunak lives in Downing Street with his wife and their two children. As chancellor of the exchequer, he is in charge of the UK’s tax system and the country’s finances at a time when everybody’s living costs are soaring and public money is extremely tight. Mr Sunak naturally pays UK taxes on his earnings and assets. His wife, Akshata Murty, does not.
Although she has lived here for much of the past decade, Ms Murty holds non-domiciled tax status in the UK. This means that she pays no UK tax on her overseas earnings, on the basis that her permanent home is not here. Ms Murty is very, very rich indeed. Her stake in her Indian father’s technology business alone is worth an estimated £690m. She would have received around £11.5m in dividends from these shares in the last tax year. If she was a UK taxpayer, the Treasury would have taxed that at a rate of 38.1%, bringing in well over £4m a year to the public finances.
Ms Murty has broken no law by shielding that money from the Treasury. Her office stresses that she has also paid overseas taxes on the earnings. The UK’s independent adviser on ministerial interests has approved the arrangements. Non-dom tax status, after all, has existed since the colonial era. Regrettably, it remains legal. It is based on the idea that while a person may live here all year round, as Ms Murty does, they regard a foreign country, in this case India, as their true home. At the last count, some 75,700 individuals claimed non-dom status, thus depriving the Treasury of nearly £8bn in taxes and national insurance.
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Gautam

Well they don't pay tax on their earnings but pay tax for everything they do or buy in the UK !!

ONLY US taxes foreign earnings for its citizens

Kanoji wrote: Could you please provide some links related to the above? What I had studied in school is that families in ancient Tamil kingdoms dedicated one of their daughters in the service of the local deity. Such people were held in high esteem in society. Over a period of time this institution got corrupted.

Such teaching are instigated by the Brits. India was a society wherein women had a major role. The ancient India provided freedom for a women to express her god given talents. Temples were one avenue to express talent such as dance and music and other arts list below. You can see in South India even today women drawing "Kolam" in front of their houses, decorations with flowers/rice and much more.

64 Kala (Arts) for girls
Every girl in ancient Hindu India, were trained by her parents and by teachers to be proficient in the following 64 kalas:

1-Geet vidya – art of classical singing
2-Vadya vidya – art of playing on classical musical instruments
3-Nritya vidya – art of classical dancing
4-Natya vidya – art of theatricals
5-Alekhya vidya – art of painting
6-Viseshakacchedya vidya – art of facial makeup / figure upkeep
7-Tandula-kusuma-bali-vikara – art of Hindu ritual offerings using rice and flowers
8-Pushpastarana – art of decorating with fragrant flowers
9-Dasana-vasananga-raga – art of attractive personal grooming, finer things
10-Mani-bhumika-karma – art of decorative mosaic
11-Sayya-racana – art of bedroom arrangements and home science
12-Udaka-vadya – art of playing on scale music with part liquid filled tumblers
13-Udaka-ghata – art of fluid mechanics
14-Citra-yoga – art of mixing colors and dyes
15-Malya-grathana-vikalpa – art of floral designs
16-Sekharapida-yojana – art of attractive head adornments
17-Nepathya-yoga – art of fashion dressing
18-Karnapatra-bhanga – art of jewel decorating the ear
19-Sugandha-yukti – art of practical application of aromatics
20-Bhushana-yojana – art of using jeweled ornaments
21-Aindra-jala – art of entertainment by magic
22-Kaucumara – art for exuding charm, social grace
23-Hasta-laghava – art of manual dexterity
24-Citra-sakapupa-bhakshya-vikara-kriya – art of preparing varieties of delicious food
25-Panaka-rasa-ragasava-yojana – art of beverage and colourful desserts
26-Suci-vaya-karma – art of needlework and handloom weaving
27-Sutra-krida – art of fashion embroidery
28-Vina-damuraka-vadya – art of playing on veena and small drum
29-Prahelika – art of making and solving riddles
30-Durvacaka-yoga – art of poetry games
31-Pustaka-vacana – art of reading and reciting verses
32-Natikakhyayika-darsana – art of enacting short plays and entertaining anecdotes
33-Kavya-samasya-purana – art of solving enigmatic verses
34-Pattika-vetra-bana-vikalpa – art of canework
35-Tarku-karma – art of spinning fine threads by spindle
36-Takshana – art of carpentry
37-Vastu-vidya – art of vastu architecture
38-Dhatu-vada – art of metallurgy
39-Raupya-ratna-pariksha – art of testing ornaments and jewels
40-Mani-raga jnana – art of charming by tinkling jewels
41-Akara jnana – art of mineralogy
42-Vrikshayur-veda-yoga – art of medicinal herb horticulture
43-Mesha-kukkuta-lavaka-yuddha-vidhi – art of training animals and birds
44-Suka-sarika-prapalana (pralapana) – art of training parrots and mynas to speak
45-Utsadana – art of aroma therapy
46-Kesa-marjana-kausala – art of fashion hair dressing
47-Akshara-mushtika-kathana – art of coded communication
48-Mlecchita-kutarka-vikalpa – art of speaking in code language
49-Desa-bhasha-jnana – art of knowing provincial dialects
50-Nirmiti-jnana – art of conscious predictions and gut feelings
51-Yantra-matrika – art of mechanics
52-Dharana-matrika – art of memorising
53-Samvacya – art of tactful conversation, host /guest manners
54-Manasi kavya-kriya – art of composing extempore verse
55-Kriya-vikalpa – art of perceptive decoding and diagnosis
56-Chalitaka-yoga – art of puja room and spiritual etiquette
57-Abhidhana-kosha-cchando-jnana – art of the use of lexicography and meters
58-Vastra-gopana – art of artful dressing apt for the occasion
59-Dyuta-visesha – art of playing dice for social entertainment
60-Akarsha-krida – art of use of magnets
61-Balaka-kridanaka – art of making dolls and toys
62-Vainayiki vidya – art of etiquette and personal discipline
63-Vaijayiki vidya – art of dharmic winning
64-Vaitaliki vidya – art of physical culture, self carriage

The bharatiya naari gives herself in gratitude to her husband and children and is fulfilled by seeing them thrive and receiving their love, respect and gratitude.

bala wrote: 64 Kala (Arts) for girls
Every girl in ancient Hindu India, were trained by her parents and by teachers to be proficient in the following 64 kalas:

1-Geet vidya – art of classical singing
2-Vadya vidya – art of playing on classical musical instruments
3-Nritya vidya – art of classical dancing
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62-Vainayiki vidya – art of etiquette and personal discipline
63-Vaijayiki vidya – art of dharmic winning
64-Vaitaliki vidya – art of physical culture, self carriage

The bharatiya naari gives herself in gratitude to her husband and children and is fulfilled by seeing them thrive and receiving their love, respect and gratitude.

Thank you sir. Appreciate you taking time to type this detailed reply.

a non stop blitzkrieg on Rishi Sunak regarding his wife offshore income has his chances of becoming PM destroyed. Reports of him moving out of 10 Downing street office

Rishi Sunak’s hopes of becoming prime minister are over, say top Tories https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... top-tories

Rishi Sunak urged to disclose private investments, amid warnings over his role as Chancellor https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -warnings/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tatus.html
Rishi quits Downing Street! Chancellor and his family MOVE OUT of their grace and favour flat following backlash over his wife's non-dom status - as friends suggest he could also quit the Cabinet to spare them
Rishi Sunak moves family out from No 11 flat amid public scrutiny over tax affairs
Friends of the Chancellor said he considered quitting the Cabinet over backlash
Opponents called on the White House to investigate his previous US green card
US rules say card holders should not be ‘employed by a foreign Government

'Understand British sense of fairness': Akshata Murty says will pay all taxes in UK https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 745432.cms

His wife's rebuttal

The Income has already been taxed in India at 36 plus percentage, for which she will get credit as per Double taxation agreement, at best she might end up paying 0.25% more on the infosys dividend.

If I am right in early 2000's she joined KPMG Bengaluru for Article ship, don't know to what level she progressed in Indian CA before moving for foreign masters

But henceforth the Exchequer will get the tax money, not India! Keeps husband Rishi in the race.

Cyrano wrote:But henceforth the Exchequer will get the tax money, not India! Keeps husband Rishi in the race.

Nope since Dividend is from India, it is taxed in India and taxes paid at 30% plus Cess 20% plus on this 36% 4% Education cess.

All she will do now is enter this amount in UK Tax return as Income and tax paid. There will no gain to the UK exchequer.

Usually, the tax is paid where the individual is tax resident and then claim double tax avoidance in the other country. For instance, being an Indian resident, I pay tax in India for selling US shares (I got long ago as ESOP), but I claim that by filling W8-BEN form in US.

Similarly, this lady should have ideally paid the tax in UK for the dividend and then claimed exemption from paying tax to India using DTAA.

The Indian tax rate for NRI is 20% for dividends. I'm willing to bet that UK tax rate is much much higher, so she opted to pay at Indian rates than UK. I'm sure she's got lot of lawyers & accountants to figure out the fine print, but it is legally sound but politically insane.

Frankly, I am ok with what happened. Goras will never allow unwashed brown like this fellow to become their PM. Period. That too a Hindu ( Is he still a Hindu?) I am prejudiced against Moorthis from the day Papa Muoorthy said singing the national anthem in a function wherein our President may make his gora guests uncomfortable or some rubbish like that and still try to become President of India by some smart ass indirect campaign.

Yagnasri wrote:Frankly, I am ok with what happened. Goras will never allow unwashed brown like this fellow to become their PM. Period. That too a Hindu ( Is he still a Hindu?).

yes, very much so , includes fasting as well.. i for one, for whatever it is , all for the kamala ( flower) being president across the Atlantic and Rishi as PM on the other side

just to rub it in

Cyrano wrote:But henceforth the Exchequer will get the tax money, not India! Keeps husband Rishi in the race.

Indian and presumably Hindu

sunak was never in the race

the liberals usually try to paint a rosy picture but their true colours will, sooner, rather than later, always show

and the "nekkid" face of racism and cultural supremacy is quite familiar to India and the Indians, since the beginning of their colonial days

sunak couples penalised for being rich Hindus. On side note it is certain if Kamla was purely Hindu India she had no chance of becoming VP/

If you scratch the surface, Lords, Ladies, Barons and Baronesses on both sides of the divide are rolling in the moolah. Cameron' inherited wealth, Blair's corporate wealth and lib dem Clegg Face book job are cases in point.

Kanoji wrote:

Cyrano wrote:By accepting to discuss and self examine the Devadasi topic, we are already buying into western colonialist narrative. As if various forms of female exploitation didn't exist in the west like inquisitions, crusades, witch burning, slave trade, crusades, church pzaedophelia and colonisation.

Even for a moment assuming all that the west says about devadasis is true, it pales in comparison to their atrocities on their own people and others, they have no moral standing whatsoever to raise this topic with India(ns).

I am not accepting anything nor am I under any mistaken impression that western society was a paradise on earth. I was asking this only to correct my understanding - if it was a western narrative - in contrast to what we were taught in school.

Whenever some Xian brings Devdasi system to me, I tell them Christians have the oldest Devdasi system: It is called nuns (Jesus Brides).

sanjayc wrote:

Kanoji wrote: I am not accepting anything nor am I under any mistaken impression that western society was a paradise on earth. I was asking this only to correct my understanding - if it was a western narrative - in contrast to what we were taught in school.

Whenever some Xian brings Devdasi system to me, I tell them Christians have the oldest Devdasi system: It is called nuns (Jesus Brides).

This reminds me: Swami Vivekananda was once asked in the US if Hindus burned their widows. His immediate reply was- No, we do not. Neither do we burn witches. It was in Massachusetts and everyone knew about the Salem Witch trials. The reporter changed the topic.
Gautam

Has anyone realized why India has a high population of Anglo-Indians. The Brits were supposedly not mingling with Indians, tis not like Sir McCauley wed Devi Karnavati Jha or Herr Max Mueller wed Ivneet Kaur Singh, no siree, none of that happened. Nor did Madam Jane Buttercup Windsor marry Prasad Rao Subramaniam. Which leaves you wondering what the heck happened.

If any wealthy Hindus observe how the white world works, what happened in the UK is a lesson for them. But alas, most of them may not care to observe or are happy to serve the whites.