Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

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I think we are in trouble. Look at the kind of society the Michels move in!!!

Queen of the Lit parade

Queen of the Lit Parade...

Back in the early 1990s, when publishing suddenly became sexy, the sexiest of all publishers was Caroline Michel. Lissom, effervescent and charming, she wore Chanel and lived in Belgravia. Her lustrous hair was said to have once knocked a waiter over in the Groucho Club. In a world in which pipe smoke and leather elbow patches had long been de rigueur, these were indeed unusual qualities.

A graduate in Sanskrit, she could also speak fluent hyperbole. She had started out in publicity and, even in a trade that thrives on overstatement, her facility with superlatives made the rest of the field seem doleful by comparison. She employed words like 'wonderful', 'amazing' and 'brilliant' the way other people use 'it', 'the' and 'and'. She was, people said, a gusher. Strangely, the people who said this tended to be male journalists who, in their own descriptions of Michel, could themselves gush like a freshly drilled oilfield. 'She seemed to be in colour while everybody else was in black and white,' wrote one accuser-cum-admirer. 'She was tanned and smelled gloriously expensive,' recalled another, who spoke longingly of her 'dark hair and black olive eyes'. 'She had IT,' he insisted, 'capital I, capital T.' (We can assume the writer was not referring to information technology - this was pre-computers.)

Note the poignant, obituary-like past tense of these testaments. To widespread bachelor mourning, Michel had just hooked up with her future husband, Matthew Evans, the then head of Faber and Faber. While the relationship may have dampened a certain desperate ardour, if anything it increased her glamour. She was now the better-looking half of a 'power couple'.

Not long after, she landed the publisher's job at Vintage, Random House's paperback imprint. Yet somewhere beneath the noise of the headlines and the tinkling of wine glasses there remained a suspicion that Michel was really a publicist rather than a publisher, a woman of limitless style but questionable content. Unkind stories circulated, some of them apocryphal (it was said that she mispronounced Goethe), and some of them more accurate. There was, for example, The Kapuscinski Memo. It sounds like a Robert Ludlum novel, but it was a now legendary note, regarding the Polish author Ryszard Kapuscinski, that Michel sent an editor during an unhappy year she endured at Granta. By all accounts, both its logic and grammar were experimental. Much bookish sniggering ensued.

A decade on and Michel has just been made managing director and publisher of HarperPress, the literary division of the publishing giant HarperCollins. She has long since proved her doubters comprehensively wrong. But her new job will nevertheless demand all her promotional skills and should also test the depths of her seemingly bottomless supplies of optimism.

To put it bluntly, the glaring problem with HarperCollins, as far as the bien pensants of British literary life are concerned, is that it's owned by Rupert Murdoch. To make things worse, a few years back Murdoch appeared to intervene to prevent HarperCollins from publishing Chris Patten's book about his time as governor of Hong Kong. As one rival publisher put it: 'They're seen as being a little philistine.'

I met Michel in the multi-storey atrium of the HarperCollins building in Hammersmith. Were I inclined to gush, I would observe that she did not walk down the stairs so much as descend to earth, a deus ex machina in Dolce e Gabbana. Instead, let's just say that she made an elegant entrance in a little black dress, gold fishnets and leopard-skin heels.

Requiring neither the lift nor the stairs, she floated back up to her office, where I asked her about HarperCollins's tarnished image. At first she was reluctant to acknowledge the issue, but then said: 'I think if there are vestiges of that around I'm very keen that we dispel them quickly.' She also admitted that before accepting the post she had asked Victoria Barnsley, the CEO and publisher of HarperCollins, if interventions from above were part of the deal.

'As far as I can gather there is no editorial interference whatsoever,' she concluded. 'I've never got to the bottom of what happened in the Patten affair, I don't know if you have, but it was a very unfortunate incident managed perhaps not terribly well.'

I said I thought the bottom of the affair was simply that Murdoch, mindful of his Sino-media interests, did not want to publish Patten's book because it was critical of the Chinese.

'You'd have to ask Victoria or people who are closer to what happened,' she stonewalled and gave me a smile that can only be termed diplomatic.

She then went on to celebrate the 'extraordinary', 'brilliant', 'innovative' staff and writers in the HarperPress stable, which is made up of Fourth Estate, Flamingo and HarperCollins non-fiction imprints. 'I want us to be a natural home for quality fiction and non-fiction,' she continued. 'I want the best writing in the world to find a home here.'

A recent poll in the Bookseller magazine placed HarperCollins at the foot of an 'author-care' table. This is one area of publishing where it's safe to assume Michel will make a rapid impact. She offers the kind of author-care that would please even Hollywood's most demanding film stars. When she was at Vintage, she made certain to send a bouquet of flowers to each of her authors on the paperback publication of their books, no matter where in the world they might be.

In a process dubbed by her former colleagues at Random House, as 'Micheling', she would love-bomb writers, as well as staff, with compliments. She once began a letter to Jeanette Winterson: 'The biggest misery for me is finishing a book by you.' At Vintage, she formed intimate bonds with the A-list of British authors, among them Salman Rushdie, Martin Amis, A.S. Byatt, and Winterson.

It was not without reason that Rushdie supposedly responded to news of Michel's departure from Random House with the words: 'But what's going to happen to me?' The novelist Howard Jacobson has known Michel since her first days in publishing. He keenly appreciates the comforting balm of her attentions. 'She has the gift of making you believe you are her favourite author,' he told me. 'And even as I'm saying it, I still somehow want to believe it.'

When I mentioned this comment to Michel, she stared at me with an expression of sincerity bordering on incomprehension and said: 'But Howard is special.'

I wondered if perhaps, stripped of such tenderness, her authors at Vintage might feel a little abandoned. 'My successor, Rachel Cugnoni, is terrific, really, really terrific,' she replied.

But still, I persisted, you've built up a close relationship with those authors. 'Well I love what they do. I love what they write, and a lot of them have become great friends over the years.'

So will they not feel a tad bereft? 'Well I hope not. Because I'm always here for them to call, to talk to.'

You wouldn't mind Random House authors calling you here at HarperCollins? 'I'd love it.'

Would that be a matter of having one eye, perhaps, on attracting them to HarperCollins? 'That's not for me to say.'

Why? 'I think they have to make up their own minds about what they want to do.'

Of course. But one can always encourage them. 'I think they would have to...' she broke off. 'It's not for me to say.'

Her background is haute-cosmopolitan. She spent her early years in Harrogate, moved to Geneva, and then returned to Britain when she was nine. Her father is the controversial Wolfgang Michel, who describes himself as 'an agent of high-technology deals'. She used the term 'commodity broker'.

After a misconceived year studying postgraduate law, she took a job on William Cookson's poetry magazine Agenda. 'I spent a great deal of time rejecting my own poems,' she jokes, 'which I'd sent in under a different name. So I knew I wasn't destined to be a poet.'

Next stop was the publicity department at Chatto. This was 1981, when, to use Jacobson's phrase, publishers were all about 'creaking old stairs' and author tours were almost unheard of. 'I can remember the Times phoning to interview Bernard Malamud,' Michel recalls, 'and my going to Nora Smallwood for his phone number. She said: 'Our authors write books, they don't talk about them.' That's how it was. And then Carmen Callil arrived after six months and literally took me by the scruff of my neck and taught me everything I know about publishing. She was very publicity-driven.'

She moved on to a series of different publishers, including a 24-hour stint at Weidenfeld. In that single day, however, it has been said that a short skirt she wore was the crucial factor in persuading the late Alan Clark to publish his diaries with Weidenfeld. The following day she joined Bloomsbury, the publishing sensation of the late Eighties and early Nineties. She became a phenomenon and it was to be her last job in publicity.

I've never met an ex-literary publicist who hasn't complained about the neurotic self-absorption of authors, but Michel is the exception. 'I loved it,' she says. 'I absolutely loved it.'

For someone whose name frequently crops up in lists of powerful women, Michel retains an enthusiasm for her work that is positively girlish. Even so, I felt sure there must have been horror stories. 'Yeah,' she eventually concedes, 'I remember being chased around a Manchester hotel by Derek Hatton, who then pounded on my door saying, "I've got a really good video you can come and watch in my room." An offer which I turned down.'

With her husband, Lord Evans, the government whip in the House of Lords, she is a regular on the so-called New Establishment dinner party circuit, which features other such liberal luminaries as (Lord) Richard and Ruthie Rogers, Alan Yentob and (Lord) Melvyn Bragg. She amused colleagues once when, in a discussion on the merits of advertising on the London Underground, she argued that it didn't work because she couldn't remember a single Tube poster. It was swiftly pointed out to her that this might be because she had never travelled on the Tube. 'She's very friendly,' said another one-time colleague, 'but essentially disconnected from ordinary people.'

From the outside, it could seem that she was little more than a social dilettante who knows how to massage swollen egos. But that would be to overlook not only her considerable achievements but also the daunting amount of work she gets through. One former workmate described her as 'weirdly dedicated. It's not just ambition, it really is her vocation.'

She reads six or seven manuscripts per week as well as a further six or seven proposals, and has done pretty much every week for the past 10 years. That's somewhere in the region of 750,000 words a week, 40 million a year, 400 million in a decade. I try to compute these figures but as my bedside is still littered by a neglected copy of Robert Musil's The Man Without Qualities that I began reading about three years ago, it all proves too much. 'I've always got pages of manuscripts in pockets in every single bag, wherever,' she explains. 'I can't sleep unless I read. I don't sleep a great deal.'

It turns out she reads every night in bed until 1am, and also tries to get up in the middle of the night for further reading. 'It drives Matthew mad. I read in the morning, read at the weekends. The great thing is, I'm lucky because when I sit with the kids at the weekend and they're watching The Simpsons I can switch off and I can read.'

As I left, she loaded me up with six recent HarperCollins hardbacks. Or roughly four days' worth of Michel reading. One of them was Jonathan Franzen's collection of essays, How to Be Alone. In a piece entitled Why Bother?, which bemoans the dwindling importance of the novel in contemporary culture, Franzen recalls his post-student romance with books: 'I was in love with literature and with a woman to whom I'd been attracted in part because she was a brilliant reader.'

He could have been writing about Michel. There has been no shortage of novelists attracted to her in part because she is a brilliant, or certainly prodigious, reader. But will her draw prove quite so magnetic from behind the force field of the Murdoch empire? The Caroline Michel story, you sense, has a few twists in it yet. For the time being, it's just a matter of reading on.
And about the father


When Libya tried to tempt Labour with cash
Libya secretly offered a huge donation to the cash-strapped Labour party as part of its attempts to end its international isolation, the Guardian can disclose. Ministerial sources say the Libyan proposal was instantly rejected.
But a Guardian investigation has uncovered other recent attempts by Libya to use back channels to get close to Labour politicians.

These include an offer of lucrative deals with the arms company BAE Systems, and a plan to publish a biography of Colonel Gadafy in Britain.

Libya's offer of an enormous donation came at a time when Labour had a £10m deficit last September. It originated from Ahmed Gadaff Al Daim, Col Gadafy's cousin and a senior figure in the regime, and was passed to the Labour peer, Lord Evans of Temple Guiting, by a London-based businessman, Wolfgang Michel.

{From above story Lord Evans is Wolfgang Michel's son-in-law and publisher of Faber and Faber!}

Lord Evans rejected the offer out of hand and informed the party's general secretary, David Triesman. "The proposal was absolutely ridiculous," said a Labour source. "Even if foreign donations were not outlawed, we never would have considered it. The Libyans want to rub shoulders with British politicians and seemed to think this was a way."

A number of Libya's approaches have been made through Mr Michel. The German-born 74-year-old, who lives in Chelsea, describes himself as an agent on hi-tech international deals.

Mr Michel has done business deals with many of the world's most controversial regimes, including Iraq, Russia and Iran
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According to his associates, Mr Michel sought to arrange a 1998 meeting between the Libyans and Labour politicians. Libya was secretly offering £6bn-worth of aviation deals in return for the permanent lifting of sanctions.

Mr Michel sought to use as an intermediary Matthew Evans, the Labour peer and former chairman of the publishers Faber and Faber. Lord Evans is Mr Michel's son-in-law and was recruited to the Blair government in December as a whip
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Separately, confidential talks did eventually get off the ground between BAE, Britain's biggest arms manufacturer, UK officials, and Mr Gadaff Al Daim on behalf of Libya, with meetings in Switzerland and London. But they remained inconclusive.

The two countries are continuing to edge closer. Last August, the Foreign Office minister Mike O'Brien flew to Tripoli to meet Col Gadafy in the first such encounter for 20 years.

Sources at Faber and Faber say Mr Michel suggested the firm publish a biography of Col Gadafy. But Lord Evans told the Guardian he rejected the deal in September 2001. 8)

"I went to a meeting with Ahmed Gadaff Al Daim who wished to talk about a biography about his cousin. I made the point it would have to deal with Lockerbie and the regime's funding of terrorism. After discussion with my colleagues at Faber, we decided not to pursue the idea."

Mr Michel confirmed that he had raised "a possible publishing opportunity". But he told the Guardian that he did it on his own account, "not on behalf of Ahmet Gadaff Al Daim".

Government sources say Lord Evans has been meticulous in disclosing his family connections, and that he has kept Wolfgang Michel and his Libyan link "at arm's length". Lord Evans' government job does not involve defence or international issues, they point out.

Mr Gadaff Al Daim first received unwelcome publicity in 1989, when the former international call girl Pamella Bordes said she had had a long affair with him while he was negotiating commercial tie-ups between Libya and the Italian car firm Fiat.

Mr Gadaff Al Daim, approached through the Libyan embassy in London, last week did not respond to invitations to comment.

Mr Michel, who said he knew Mr Gadaff Al Daim, cloaks his business affairs in mystery via a Liechtenstein offshore trust. Records show a UK investment company ultimately controlled by him - Entera Corporation - has brought into Britain more than £2m in commissions earned from India.

Associates say he has acted to sell arms on behalf of Russia, but Mr Michel denied this. He said he had "negotiated legitimate sales of civil aircraft to India". He points out his commissions include earnings from the export of jute.

Company records show he also has a business link with the French state-owned aero engine company Snecma, which powers Mirage fighters, the Airbus, and Russian trainers. Mr Michel denies he has been their agent
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Questions have been raised as to whether he was involved in negotiations to sell Mirage fighters to Saddam Hussein in Iraq - a deal promoted by the French government which collapsed in 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Mr Michel said he had visited Iraq once but not in that period. He agreed he had concluded agricultural deals with the Iranians in the company of such controversial figures as the Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, and the late tycoon Tiny Rowland. Mr Michel's lawyer emphasised last week he had not been involved in any improper or illegal military sales or business dealings.

So what happened to AKA's dictat of no middleman in any deals with MoD. This Michels looks like a arms dealer if there was one.


And also shows why the deal was with UK subsidiary of FM and not the Italian company itself.


Wonder if Labour and INC funding is linked to arms deals all along? Price of Independence?
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shaurya wrote:
Caution on the ACM is in order, till cleared.
cleared by whom?? CBI ???

the problem there is no institution in India which anyone can trust. ok maybe CAG but they cannot clear anyone

not the courts
not the cBI or any investigative agency
not most of the press
:(
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ramana wrote:TOi article. Looks like Pranabda is in INC cross hairs and could become the fall guy eventually.
I wish they try it for a change. Armegeddon is what he can create for all top honchos of INC.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 508031.cms
Helicopter scam: Front company IDS India that routed Rs 140cr bribe does not exist
NEW DELHI: The company at the centre of the Agusta Westland VVIP helicopter scandal, IDS India, does not appear to exist in any official database. As reported by TOI on February 14, this is the 'company' which received up to Rs 140 crore in kickbacks in the 2010 VVIP helicopter deal with AgustaWestland via the tax haven of Tunisia over a period of about five years.

A search through the records of the ministry of corporate affairs threw up several companies with similar names, but nothing by the name of IDS India.

The IDS connection runs through the entire trail of kickbacks although little is known about the people behind it. Questions are being raised about the relations between IDS Mauritius and two Chandigarh-based companies, IDS Infotech and Aeromatrix, whose holding company is IDS Mauritius. Aeromatrix was promoted by three men, Guido Haschke, Carlo Gerosa and Gautam Khaitan, who are suspects in the Italian investigations into bribery in the Indian deal.

Investigations in Milan into corruption by Finmeccanica, the Italian consortium that also owns UK-based AgustaWestland, has shown that 51 million euro was paid in kickbacks in the Indian deal for the purchase of 12 VVIP helicopters.

The story of kickbacks in the deal looks straight and simple in the Italian court filings. It says between 2007 and 2012 several million euros was paid by AgustaWestland into IDS Tunisia. Money was remitted through Tunisia to IDS India against fake bills raised for development of software.

Aeromatrix, which is registered in Delhi but operates out of Chandigarh, has figured in the taped conversations of suspects in Italy. Until last year its directors were Delhi-based lawyer Gautam Khaitan, Swiss residents Guido Haschke and Carlo Gerosa. The last two are partners and are suspected to be key middlemen in the Indian deal, while Khaitan figures in Italian court documents as one of those who assisted them.

Aeromatrix's link to IDS Infotech, based in Chandigarh is curious. Aeromatrix was incorporated on June 26, 2009 after it supposedly took over some software work of AgustaWestland Italy that was being done by IDS Infotech. This work continues to remain the mainstay of Aeromatrix, with a modest annual turnover of around Rs 8.5 crore.

"The project from AgustaWestland Italy was transferred from IDS Infotech to Aeromatrix under a business transfer agreement, which is standard practice in the industry," Aeromatrix CEO Praveen Bakshi told TOI. But he claimed ignorance about the details of the agreement. This is despite the fact that Bakshi himself was a senior executive of IDS Infotech and moved to Aeromatrix as CEO along with all the employees working on the contract.

IDS Infotech handles offshore contracts across verticals such as automobiles and engineering. It may be a coincidence that Aeromatrix's holding company in Mauritius is IDS Mauritius. And it could also be a coincidence that it was through IDS Tunisia that the payments were remitted to IDS India.

While Bakshi said he wasn't aware who controls IDS Mauritius, two of Aeromatrix's directors resigned last year after the Finmeccanica controversy erupted. Gautam Khaitan and another director Arihant Jain resigned from Aeromatrix on October 29 last year through identical letters. "The name of the company is emerging in many controversies and news articles/clippings related with some alleged defence deals. The recent news articles in the press are very disturbing for me," both said in their resignation. Interestingly though, Khaitan continues to be the second largest shareholder with around 17% stake in the company.
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Gets deeper. Tatas have JV with FM to supply helicopters to Indian market.

LINK

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Defence industry analysts said in early 2010, when former Tata Group chairman Ratan Tata signed the agreement with his Finmeccanica counterpart Giuseppe Orsi, Agusta had offered 197 AW-119 choppers to the Indian Army to replace the ageing fleet of Cheetah and Chetak light helicopters. Orsi was arrested on Tuesday in Italy in connection with the scam.


As per the 2010 agreement, Indian Rotorcraft was responsible for the final assembly, completion and delivery of the AW-119s while Agusta had to manage global marketing and sales. The first aircraft was scheduled for delivery from the new Hyderabad facility in 2011.

The production was scheduled at 30 aircraft per year to meet worldwide demand.
However, the assembly is now scheduled to begin only next year - two years after the ground-breaking ceremony.

Sources said it was also planned that the JV would bid to be a supplier for the reconnaissance and surveillance helicopter (RSH) programme of the Indian armed forces, for which Agusta had already proposed that the AW119 be manufactured locally.

Tata officials played down any threat to the JV, saying AgustaWestland is just one of the many partners it is working with in the defence and aviation sectors. They also added that the scope of the JV was limited to civilian usage. :mrgreen:

A spokeswoman from Tata Group's external communication agency Rediffussion said, "IRL is a proposed joint venture with AgustaWestland, the business of which is to assemble AW119Ke helicopters for export to AgustaWestland or for sales in the domestic civil market for civilian usage."

"IRL has no connection with the Indian Air Force purchase of AW helicopters. To reiterate, IRL's business is to assemble helicopters, which in any case is only slated to begin in April 2014, subject to various statutory approvals. IRL will assemble the AW119Ke, which is a very different product from the one purchased by the IAF. We do not envisage any impact on our proposed joint venture," the spokeswoman added
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This is getting deeper. Bet it had something to do with those tapes!

Wanst this Rediffusion switched soon after the tapes were leaked?
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ramana wrote:This is getting deeper. Bet it had something to do with those tapes!
Radia Tapes ?
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http://www.firstpost.com/india/congress ... _medium=hp
Congress ‘hand’ seen in VVIP copter scam
by Venky Vembu Feb 15, 2013
This time, however, there has been no money trail leading to politicians. The “Italian connection” to the AgustaWestland deal has, however, proved too irresistible for Opposition politicians, who have tried to insinuate that the investigations in India have been slow to take off because, well, Sonia Gandhi has Italian roots.  On Thursday night, appearing on a CNN-IBN talk show, Janata Party leader and anti-corruption crusader Subramanian Swamy threw down the gauntlet at the Congress – and made the sensational and direct charge that Sonia Gandhi and her sisters were involved in the deal. He was spiritedly challenged by the Congress representative on the panel discussion, but vowed to provide proof.

Knowing what we know of tainted defence deals of the past couple of decades, it seems safe to say that it needs an entire ecosystem of conspirators for corrupt deals to be finalised. It isn’t just enough for one person, however high ranking s/he may be, to be paid off. It needs tracks to be greased not just in the armed forces establishment, but in the defence ministry bureaucracy and the political end of the spectrum as well.

Which is why the exclusive focus on the allegations surrounding  SP Tyagi, without prejudice to his claims to innocence, seemed like they narrated only a part of the story. Where is the political angle to the allegations of payoffs, one wondered.

Writing in The Pioneer (here),  J Gopikrishnan (who broke the 2G scam, long before it became a national talking point) establishes a link that connects both the middlemen in the AgustaWestland deal to the family business of a Congress functionary who is considered close to Rahul Gandhi.

Citing an Italian news report from November 2012 (here, in Italian), The Pioneer reports that the father of Christian Michel, the main commission agent in the AgustaWestland deal, was “close to the Congress party”. The other middleman in the deal, Guido Ralph Haschke, was more organically linked: he served briefly as a Director on the board of Emaar-MGF, a real estate company promoted by the father of Kanishka Singh, who is a close aide of Rahul Gandhi.

Kanishka Singh is not directly involved in Emaar-MGF: the company was founded by Ved Prakash Gupta, who was Kanishka’s grandfather, and promoted by SK Singh, Kanishka’s father and an IFS officer who was considered close to Rajiv Gandhi and served as Rajasthan Governor.

Emmar-MGF, however, has been mired in controversy arising from its contract to build the Games Village Complex for the Commonwealth Games in New Delhi in 2010. It is to this today facing an investigation by the CBI on the charge that it received undue favours from the Delhi Development Authority to secure the contract for the Games Village project.

Precisely why Haschke, who has no experience in the real estate business, was appointed to the board of directors of Emmar-MGF is unclear. But, as this report in Business Standard establishes, Haschke was appointed to the board on 25 September 2009 as an independent, non-executive director. But he resigned abruptly in a little over a month – in December 2009.

An Emaar-MGF spokesperson had explained to the newspaper the circumstances under which Haschke was taken on board – and why he left so soon. Haschke was taken on board to meet the statutory requirement for an independent director in order to file an IPO, and he had been recommended for his experience in the international financial sector, the spokesperson said. But since the IPO eventually fell through, he did not continue on the board. Soon after the latest allegations against Haschke came out, Emaar-MGF clarified that it had no connection with Haschke’s other businesses, despite his having served on its board briefly.

Very little is known about the other middleman, Christian Michel, even though he is evidently a familiar figure in Delhi’s arms dalal circuit. According to the Italian media report, his father, Wolfgang Max Michel Richard, was a British businessman who was active inIndia during the 1980s and 1990s and was close to the Congress party. Wolfgang Michel evidently had business interests in Libya, Russia, Iran and Iraq.
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One fallout is AKA is no longer MMS replacement in case of any changes planned or not.
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So S Swmay was right about Rafael.
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/agust ... /1074757/0
The letter says that Michel agreed to take a 12 million-Euro cut in his commission to accommodate the demand of Haschke and "the family". It is, however, not specified in the letter what "the family" alludes to.
Finally, the trail is begining to get closer to the real perps, of whom the Tyagi's were only the front.
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How the deal was done: Did a chance meeting at a wedding set the scene for Tyagis' Rs 87 crore bribe?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/in ... z2Ky2gWCVO
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Swamy has been tweeting about the family connection.
It wouldn't be a surprise if that is indeed the case.
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@swamy39: In the Chopper scam, Ganton Ltd name figures. Can Buddhu explain his meeting A.Verma, Ron Choen & Michael Lueke at his residence on 6/12/11

@Swamy39: My Sources say that the provision of 28 million euros for "the family" disclosed in the 568 page investigation report is for TDK sisters.

On what prompted the probe of Finnmeccanica in Italy?

@swany39: Because TDK (Sonia) used the deal to finance the Italian PM's opponent.



Wouldn't that be ironic if the Italian politics reveal the nature of the family? She will have no where to go. India would be her best option because gandoos like Katju, Ismalic fanatics, undyTV, CON/IBN and other NACLites would protect her.
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There are plenty of places she can go if the water begins to boil. Individuals like her who have a lot of money, state secrets, and dirt on national and international figures are untouchable. She lived a great life and her retirement will be quite relaxing. I look forward to reading the accounts of those that were close to her like MK Narayanan and others.
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Sushupti wrote:How the deal was done: Did a chance meeting at a wedding set the scene for Tyagis' Rs 87 crore bribe?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/in ... z2Ky2gWCVO
What caught my eye here was:
NDA's role in deal
BJP leader and former defence minister Jaswant Singh has come out in support of beleaguered former Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi and admitted that the changes in the tender for the Finmeccanica helicopter deal were made during the NDA regime.
"We should not make wild allegations against a former air chief," Singh said.
On being asked about Tyagi's statement that the specifications in the tender were changed in 2003 under the NDA, Singh said "Yes, what he has said is true."
However, party leader Arun Jaitley said: "The tender was issued, finalised, awarded under the UPA government. Those responsible must be taken to task."
The sad part of India and BJP is these kind of jokers, screw ups and morons who are ready to enable the DIEnasty and CON MAFIA's escape every time. The Indian Express title is "NDA changed the terms. UPA just implemented".

Yes. They might have changed the height from 18000 to 14000 ft. It was a suggestion because only one helicopter made the cut for 18000. But they never finalized the deal. The specifications were finalized long after 2004 and negotiations with the company did not even start. Instead of clarifying, this guy accepts, makes it look like a fishy deal and even suggests Tyagi is not at fault. That's all the press needed to put NDA, Vajpayee name and leave the DIEnasty and CON mafia scot free even though all the associates, actors have deep links to CON party and CON DIEnasty and the selection and terms of agreement was only finalized in 2007-2010.
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http://www.firstpost.com/politics/chopp ... 26625.html
The narration in the government’s fact sheet, which lists out the chronology of events, suggests indirectly that if at all there was any whiff of irregularity in the deal, it happened when modifications were suggested to the RFP (request for proposal) in 2003 during the NDA regime. At that time, the then National Security Advisor (NSA) Brajesh Mishra had objected to the fact that there was only a single vendor in the deal, and this called for a change in the altitude specifications for the helicopter from 18,000 feet to 15,000 feet in order to bring in more bidders.

Subsequent deliberations, between March 2005 and September 2006, between the Indian Air Force, the NSA, the SPG, the PMO and the MoD, resulted in changes being incorporated into the RFP. During this period SP Tyagi was Air Chief Marshal, Pranab Mukherjee was Defence Minister, BV Wanchoo was SPG chief (now Goa Governor) and MK Narayanan was the NSA (now West Bengal Governor).
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As per Timesnow disclosure, CWG connection emerges. Joint Comm. of Delhi Police JK Sharma "fully cooked" in one of the emails of Eva Herzegova (Phoren Dalal).

But why Timesnow not taking name of any politicians e.g. Kanishka Singh? Why make so much noise only about these arms Dalals who are nothing but front for politicians?.
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@Swamy39
CBI team leaving for Italy. They should save money and go to 10 Janpath.
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Sushupti wrote:As per Timesnow disclosure, CWG connection emerges. Joint Comm. of Delhi Police JK Sharma "fully cooked" in one of the emails of Eva Herzegova (Phoren Dalal).

But why Timesnow not taking name of any politicians e.g. Kanishka Singh? Why make so much noise only about these arms Dalals who are nothing but front for politicians?.
This is a direct dynasty stuff. All the resemblances to Bofors case. Hence the media will try all sorts of deflections. Changes to RFU has nothing to do with bribes. The BS is being spread by Duppatta at the behest of the Gs.

Actually this is a done deal. The Budget session could be wasted affair and also if push comes to shove that could be last session for this term with a vote on account.
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The scandal broke because FinMeccanica bribe money was used to influence Italian politics. The crux of the story is given by Manu Pubby.

http://m.indianexpress.com/news/chopadeal/1026369/

Manu Pubby

As Italian investigators probe alleged kickbacks in a Rs 3,546-crore deal involving an Italian company over the sale of VVIP helicopters to India, what’s unraveling is an elaborate network of businessmen, government officials and politicians


When bad guy Raoul Silva (Javier Bardem) and James Bond face off in some of the most daring stunt scenes of Skyfall, a little role went unnoticed—that of two helicopters, AW101 and AW159. In somewhat less heroic circumstances, one of these choppers, the AW101, finds itself at the centre of a probe in Italy over a deal with the Indian government.


In February 2010, AgustaWestland won a Rs 3,546-crore contract for 12 AW101 helicopters. For most observers of India’s military acquisition process, this deal was unlike any they had seen before. The process worked like clockwork—right from the time that tenders were floated in late 2006 to the trials, evaluations, government approvals and financial negotiations. It took the government just over three years to commit Rs 3,546 crore to AgustaWestland for the purchase of 12 new helicopters to replace the older-generation Russian machines that were used to transport senior government functionaries. So while other key acquisitions got shelved, the finance ministry, then headed by Pranab Mukherjee, cleared the chopper deal. In fact, the deal was pushed through after the Special Protection Group, then headed by B V Wanchoo, insisted that the helicopters were urgently needed due to security implications.


At a press conference on February 16, 2010, when asked why the VVIP helicopters got preference over other acquisitions, Defence Minister A K Antony said, “Not only the Air Force but the SPG was also involved. They told us that due to the security scenario, we should consider this proposal and the Finance Ministry also agreed to take their comments and it was cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security.”


The helicopters were to join India’s VVIP aircraft fleet, which already has five Embraer 135 jets and three Boeing VVIP aircraft, in 2012. But earlier this year, Italian investigators began probing allegations that AgustaWestland paid a commission of Euro 51 million (over Rs 350 crore) to Switzerland-based consultant Guido Ralph Haschke to facilitate the India deal.


As Italy continues to probe the men and methods used to allegedly launder money, the Agusta deal points to an elaborate network of agents, businessmen, government officials and even politicians in India who could be involved in swinging the deal.


As reported by The Indian Express in a series of articles, the names of several Indians have already surfaced in the preliminary inquiry report that has been filed by Italian investigators in a court in Naples.


The investigation started last year after an open succession war between Francesco Guarguanglini, who was then heading Finmeccanica, the parent company of Agusta, and his successor, Giuseppe Orsi, who now heads the Italian company. Meanwhile, late last year, Silvio Berlusconi’s coalition government, which had as coalition partners parties such as the far-right Lega Nord (now alleged to have received kickbacks to swing the deal in Italy), was replaced by one led by technocrat Mario Monti. This prompted Lorenzo Borgogni, a former top employee of Finmeccanica and an Orsi-baiter, to blow the whistle on Agusta’s deal with the Indian government. Borgogni told prosecutors in a detailed statement that kickbacks were paid by AgustaWestland for the Indian contract through the use of middlemen and that the total amount came up to Euro 51 million.


Borgogni detailed how the money was paid through a network of middlemen and consultants, with the main allegation being that at least Euro 10 million was funnelled back to Italy and paid to the Lega Nord party in return for its support to Orsi’s bid to become president of Finmeccanica.


In his interrogation, which is part of the 568-page report by Italian investigators, Borgogni says the company decided to divert funds for commissions, knowing how risky it is to hire agents for Indian deals.


“Paid mediation is forbidden in India. And this is very risky because if India comes to know, it can cancel the contract and blacklist Finmeccanica, as it happened earlier with a French company, I think. So the money comes out of Agusta and goes to Haschke and to Michel, from Michel to Orsi, from Orsi to Lega Nord (political party),” Borgogni says in the investigation report.


With this as the starting point, Italian prosecutors began an elaborate inquiry—involving planting of bugs, intercepting phone conversations, shadowing and tailing key suspects, scrutinising finances and recording secret audio and video clips—to establish if irregularities took place. The inquiry, which runs into hundreds of pages of evidence ranging from taped conversations to seized papers and confessions of business partners and associates of the key players, brings out several facts that point to money laundering and corruption in connection with the VVIP deal.


THE MONEY FLOW


While facts continue to emerge in the case, the money trail has allegedly led to two middlemen who managed to ‘fix’ the deal in India. One is Switzerland-based Guido Haschke, who was allegedly used by AgustaWestland to swing the Indian contract. Haschke and his business partner Carlo Gerosa, both Italian nationals, are old India hands. They are partners in Aeromatrix, a Chandigarh-based engineering and IT outsourcing company that is also being investigated for suspected money laundering. Haschke and Gerosa have closely worked with the AgustaWestland team in New Delhi and have, in the past, received contracts worth millions from Finmeccanica for various consultancy services and contracts in India.


A taped conversation between Haschke and Gerosa clearly points to Haschke’s knowledge that money was paid off in India and that illegal work was afoot. In the conversation, he worries about explaining his business in India to his wife.


“She is vague. She’s fine, then angry, then she is all nice and sweet, then angry again...Now I have to think about what I should tell her...Somehow I have to explain to her what the f*#^ I earn from India,” he says. When Gerosa responds by saying he can explain that they are doing a project together, Haschke says, “At some point in time, she will want to know what we do together, given that we go to India together.”


In other recordings, besides talking about money being funnelled into India and discussing their possible defence in Indian courts for laundering Euro 10-15 million, Haschke elaborates on how he has destroyed all evidence linking him to the Indian VVIP deal.


“I cleaned every single piece of paper from my office. I completely cleaned the computer...Actually, you know what I did? I removed my old computer and now there is a new one where there is nothing. So even if they search for erased data, they will not find anything. Now I am deleting all emails which passed through Carlo’s (Gerosa’s) server in the office,” Haschke says in a conversation with Gerosa.


For the Italian investigators, establishing the roles of Haschke and Gerosa in the deal wasn’t too difficult given their India business and the fact that Gerosa is an old friend of Indian businessman Sanjeev Kumar ‘Julie’ Tyagi. The Indian businessman, a known consultant in the power sector, is well connected in the power circles of New Delhi and even the military establishment. Former Air Chief Marshal SP Tyagi, who was heading the Air Force when specifications were drawn up and tenders were floated for the VVIP helicopter deal in 2006, is a cousin of Julie Tyagi’s. Investigations reveal that Julie Tyagi is one of the rings in this complex web of middlemen who allegedly influenced the deal.


In a conversation recorded on March 1 between Haschke and Gerosa, Julie Tyagi’s name comes up when they discuss how important it is for them to ensure that their names don’t leak. “The only one who has no risks is Julie, because we are those in the front,” says Gerosa.


But the biggest fish in the pond so far is London-based Christian Michel, a British national who has allegedly been paid Euro 30 million, the lion’s share of the kickback that was meant to be distributed to those in the Indian and Italian establishments. Michel is a little-known but highly connected businessman who is said to have high-level political contacts in India and has won admirers for his easy access to top Indian politicians and members of the establishment.


Little has emerged till now on his Indian connections in this particular deal but according to the Italian investigation, he was a crucial part of the contract and was the one who allegedly pumped back Euro 10 million into Italy—money that was paid to Orsi and handed over to the political parties. However, since Michel did not operate from Italy, the initial probe report does not record how he operated in the entire deal.


There are several snatches of conversations and other evidence that do point to his role in the deal, including a “two step approach” by AgustaWestland in which the commission was allegedly divided between Haschke and Michel. According to media reports in Italy on the probe, prosecutors have named Michel as “one of the two mediators” in the deal. The reports say that according to the line of investigation, AgustaWestland initially paid Haschke Euro 41 million as part of a contract for the Indian deal but this was increased by Euro 10 million when Michel came into the picture.


What next for India?

So far, the Italian investigation has been limited to establishing that a) illegal commissions were paid, b) money laundering took place in which funds were routed to India through Tunisia and Mauritius and c) politicians and businessmen in Italy illegally benefited from the contract. The scope of the Italian probe will end at the point where the alleged commission money reaches India. The probe will not go into who was paid the money in the Indian establishment or how the funds were worked around within the power circles of New Delhi.


An Indian investigation, if any, will have to start from this point. So far, the government hasn’t been fast enough to respond to revelations that threaten to open a can of worms for India’s defence and political circles. The defence ministry did request the Italian government for information on their probe, but it is a futile exercise since the prosecutors undertaking the investigation are unlikely to divulge information to a foreign nation’s defence or external affairs ministry. The government has now taken “serious note” of the alleged irregularities in the deal, with the Ministry of External Affairs calling in the Italian ambassador and telling him that New Delhi was serious about the information it had sought from Rome about the probe. :rotfl:


THE KEY PLAYERS


Guido Haschke & Carlo Gerosa


Haschke, a Switzerland-based businessman, has been operating in India for several years. He was allegedly one of the two agents used by AgustaWestland to swing the Indian contract. Haschke worked closely with the Agusta team in New Delhi and has in the past allegedly received contracts worth millions from Finmeccanica, the parent company of AgustaWestland, for various consultancy services and contracts in India. He had been detained by Swiss authorities on money laundering charges but is now out on bail. Haschke, along with his partner Carlo Gerosa, another Italian and a old India hand, own Chandigarh-based Aeromatrix, an engineering and IT outsourcing company that is being investigated for suspected money laundering.


Sanjeev Kumar Tyagi

Delhi-based businessman Sanjeev Kumar ‘Julie’ Tyagi is an old friend of Gerosa’s. A consultant in the power sector, Julie has an office on New Delhi’s Feroz Shah Road as well as a house in the posh Sainik Farms. The well-connected Tyagi is known to move around in luxury cars and said to have major investments in real-estate. His older brother ‘Jolly’ Tyagi has dabbled in politics in the past. The duo are known to be close to leaders and functionaries in the BJP. Former Air Chief Marshal SP Tyagi is Julie’s cousin.

Christian Michel

The low-profile London-based consultant allegedly got the lion’s share of the Euro 51 million commission. Michel is know for his connections in the Congress party and access to the government—much like his father Wolfgang Richard Max Michel had when he operated in India in the 80s and 90s. Old timers recall Wolfgang, who died earlier this year, as a controversial businessman who worked extensively in Indian government circles for several years. :mrgreen: Christian’s sister Caroline heads the literary agency Peters Fraser Dunlop and was recently listed in the top 500 of the ‘Tatler List’ that rates influential people in the UK.

Lega Nord could be remanant of Mussolini's Fascist party and thus Visha Kanya's interest in propping it up.
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The names, operations and modus operandi is all very nostalgic to me. Bofors of 1980 with a real independent press of IE was the only source those days.
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Nostalgy... It is all coming back to me... Remember code word "Lotus" and Chitra Subramaniyam.

Those were the days when Hindu and IE were exposing the DIEnasty. Whast happened to these bloody scums.
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No Indian Newspaper will dare expose the Mafia family. Those days are over. I guess the best bet for Chitra Subramanium types is to use Italian paper (those that are apposed) to pick these stories. The MSM will have to pick it up then.
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vijayk wrote:Nostalgy... It is all coming back to me... Remember code word "Lotus" and Chitra Subramaniyam.

Those were the days when Hindu and IE were exposing the DIEnasty. Whast happened to these bloody scums.

They are now part of the system. Not one paper has take AKA to task for sitting on the matter for over two years. And until the Italians arrested Orsi there was no word even while things were moving at fairly rapid pace.


Thre are multiple angles to this case wrt India.

Vijayak,
No connect the dots. In current case the elder Michel was known to be an arms peddler with highest connections to INC in India and Labour Party in UK in the 1980s and 90s. And in 1980s RG gets outed in the Bofors scam.

You think he had no idea of RG's caper with Bofors!
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Mr. Guido R. Haschke
http://investing.businessweek.com/resea ... 0Co.%20Ltd.

Mr. Guido R. Haschke serves as the Managing Director of Springwood SA, Lugano. Mr. Haschke also serves as the Managing Director of Gadit SA, Lugano, which is a business development services company. Mr. Haschke is a registered consultant to the World Bank for Asset Trading and Debt Restructuring. Mr. Haschke serves as the chairman of Jorissa SA, Luxembourg and Managing Director of Springwood SA, Lugano, Gadit SA, Lugano, ETS - Engineering & Technical Services Ltd., London and Gordian Services SARL, Tunis. He served as an Independent & Non-Executive Director of Emaar MGF Land Limited from September 25, 2009 to December 7, 2009. Mr. Haschke has completed his Masters in Business Administration from Milan Business School, Bocconi University, Italy.
Finally...

BJP drags Rahul Gandhi’s name in VVIP chopper deal controversy
The multi-crore VVIP chopper deal controversy has now come to haunt Congress Vice President Rahul Gandhi.

BJP on Friday accused Rahul Gandhi's key aide Kanishka Singh of involved in the VIP chopper deal controversy

BJP national secretary Kirit Somaiya alleged that he played a key role in Italian manufacturer AgustaWestland winning the contract.

In a letter to the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) director, Somaiya stated that there were "significant evidence of Indian connection in the AgustaWestland chopper deal, very similar to Bofors scam".

"The main commission agent Christian Michel's late father was 'close to the Congress party' and the other middleman, Guido Ralph Haschke, was a director of Emaar-MGF," referring a report published in an Italian newspaper Lettera 43, Somaiya wrote:

Meanwhile, Emaar MGF has issued a press note regarding association of Guido R Hashke with the firm.

The statement clamed that "Hashke was an independent non-executive director for an extremely brief period of approximately two months i.e. September 25, 2009 to December 7, 2009, Emaar MGF has had no association with him or any of his businesses/associates other than this."

"Mr. Hashke was appointed on the Board of the Company due to the statutory requirement of having certain number of independent directors on the board to be a publicly listed company. Therefore he was appointed as an independent director to fulfill the requirements of the company's proposed IPO at that time."

Somaiya further said that Kanishka Singh is close to Rahul Gandhi and has served as his political secretary too.

"It is believed that British citizen Michel, had received 60 per cent (around Rs.210 crore) of the kickback amount of 51 million pound (around Rs.360 crore) from Finmeccanica, the manufactures of AgustaWestland choppers. His contacts are stronger especially with the Indian defence that he has inherited from his father, Wolfgang Max Michel Richard, a British businessman who was very active in India between 80s and 90s and was close to the Congress party," Somaiya claimed.

"According to the prospectus filed by Emmar MGF with SEBI, Haschke was director (in Emaar MGF) in September 2009. But in December 2009, he resigned after the Commonwealth Games scandal exploded and it was proved that the Emmar MGF had been favoured due to its link with Kanishka Singh. Haschke confessed to the Italian court on his connections with former air chief S.P. Tyagi was the director of Emmar MGF, the firm which bagged the biggest deal in connection with Commonwealth Games."

"There is a need to investigate the involvement of Mr Kanishka Singh, Emaar MGF and Haschke in the helicopter scam," Somaiya insisted.

Emaar MGF is a real estate company, owned by late Ved Prakash Gupta with Kanishka Singh’s fathet late S.K. Singh.
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This episode just before possible elections this year will further dent the popularity of congress in the eyes of the urban class. Wouldn't be surprised if Sonia goes abroad for treatment for good. BJP is now inching towards the jugular.
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Ramana garu,

I see quite a few dimensions to this exposure.

1. Italian Politics - An Italian firm using the revenues from a defense deal with India to divert some money back into Italy to buy influence into Italian politics. Here it doesn't matter the buyer is India, because the same could happen with any other deal, say with Africa/EU etc., The only saving grace is when a nation has legalized agent system for defense purchases.

2. Indian Agents - Some of the kick-backs reaching Indian Agents. The sad part is that they got peanuts in this deal. Majority funds went outside India. The question should be raised is why only relatives of people in high positions become defense agents?

3. Connections to Nehru-Gandhi family - Possibility of some Indian Politicians having foreigners as their handlers. This is where the die-nasty and their foreign agents (Qatrochhi) come into picture.

4. Funding Christian missionaries in India - Possibility of having some of these funds coming back to India for Christian EJ NGOs. The Arbor Foundation that Haschke heads is a christian NGO. One need to see the Telugu name for that foundation is "Karunamaya (Jesus) welfare society" as one can see in the pictures published in Andhrajyothy news paper. If this connection is proved, Indian defense purchases are being used to fund christian conversions in India.
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RamaY wrote:Ramana garu,

I see quite a few dimensions to this exposure.

1. Italian Politics - An Italian firm using the revenues from a defense deal with India to divert some money back into Italy to buy influence into Italian politics. Here it doesn't matter the buyer is India, because the same could happen with any other deal, say with Africa/EU etc., The only saving grace is when a nation has legalized agent system for defense purchases.

2. Indian Agents - Some of the kick-backs reaching Indian Agents. The sad part is that they got peanuts in this deal. Majority funds went outside India. The question should be raised is why only relatives of people in high positions become defense agents?

3. Connections to Nehru-Gandhi family - Possibility of some Indian Politicians having foreigners as their handlers. This is where the die-nasty and their foreign agents (Qatrochhi) come into picture.

4. Funding Christian missionaries in India - Possibility of having some of these funds coming back to India for Christian EJ NGOs. The Arbor Foundation that Haschke heads is a christian NGO. One need to see the Telugu name for that foundation is "Karunamaya (Jesus) welfare society" as one can see in the pictures published in Andhrajyothy news paper. If this connection is proved, Indian defense purchases are being used to fund christian conversions in India.
I think this scam may serve as a catalyst for Congress ouster. Point 4 is a sad fact and I am sure rajiv malhotra will be studying this carefully.
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Chopper middleman Guido Haschke was director of Emaar-MGF, owned by Rahul aide Kanishka's family
Haschke's appointment to Emaar MGF board shrouded in mystery

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 542_1.html
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ramana wrote: Thre are multiple angles to this case wrt India.

Vijayak,
No connect the dots. In current case the elder Michel was known to be an arms peddler with highest connections to INC in India and Labour Party in UK in the 1980s and 90s. And in 1980s RG gets outed in the Bofors scam.

You think he had no idea of RG's caper with Bofors!
Question is why the scam is being exposed ... do they want to turn the screws on UPA regime for some reason.
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Pranav wrote: Question is why the scam is being exposed ... do they want to turn the screws on UPA regime for some reason.
The scam was not exposed by Indians for Indian interests.

It is exposed by warring factions of Italian politics. It just happened to have India as the connection as far as Italians are concerned.

It became an Indian issue only because, India ended up in a mess of
- Being a pawn in Italian political maneuverings
- Entering into a deal that has kickbacks, agents etc., which is illegal per Indian laws
- Indian decision making process is influenced for personal gains (by Indians or foreigners)
- Possibility of Indian beneficiaries
- Possibility of Political connections
- Possibility of the money flowing back into India for political leaders
- Possibility of the money flowing back into India for christian missionaries
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RamaY wrote:
Pranav wrote: Question is why the scam is being exposed ... do they want to turn the screws on UPA regime for some reason.
The scam was not exposed by Indians for Indian interests.

It is exposed by warring factions of Italian politics. It just happened to have India as the connection as far as Italians are concerned.

It became an Indian issue only because, India ended up in a mess of
- Being a pawn in Italian political maneuverings
- Entering into a deal that has kickbacks, agents etc., which is illegal per Indian laws
- Indian decision making process is influenced for personal gains (by Indians or foreigners)
- Possibility of Indian beneficiaries
- Possibility of Political connections
- Possibility of the money flowing back into India for political leaders
- Possibility of the money flowing back into India for christian missionaries
Yes, as per Dr Swamy Sonia was funding political party opposed to current Italian PM.
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Swamy says many things and hopes something sticks to SG. So far he has turned up with useless thunderbolts.


Why would SG fund a far right political party in Itlay while in India she claims to be for the far left?

Far right in Italy means borderline fascist party.
Her minons like Neroyanan are on the hunt for Hindu fascists!!!


So why this Janus face for her?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord
famous slogan Roma ladrona, which loosely means "Rome big thief"
Maybe Sonia Ladrona is appropriate?
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:(( ya :rotfl:

India in touch with UK on chopper scam
......In its "interim" response, the UK ruled out conducting any probe of its own at this stage into the scam. AgustaWestland is an Anglo-Italian chopper company owned by Italy's Finmeccanica. "We have formally checked with the UK side and so far we only have an interim response which is that they are going to wait for the outcome of the investigations in Italy," said Jamini Bhagwati, India's High Commissioner to the UK. :rotfl:

Sources said that the note verbale was sent after the defence ministry approached the ministry for external affairs (MEA) for taking up the matter with Italian and UK authorities.

The government said though that it was not satisfied with the response from the UK. "Nobody is satisfied with an interim response. We would prefer a much fuller response," said MEA spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin. :rotfl:

When pressed further for more details about the nature of enquiries made from the UK, Bhagwati said that India had sought to know from the UK, among other things, whether or not London was conducting investigations of its own. UK officials denied conducting any inquiry merely saying that they want the investigations in Italy to be completed first.

India has also again diplomatically contacted Italian authorities, following a request from the defence ministry, for more information about the probe into the scam. Sources said though that the response so far even from the Italians has not been encouraging. The Italians have maintained that for its executive to share information with India, it will first have to be allowed access to the same by its judiciary.
Are these guys selected to be on diplomatic service? or chosen by the govt!!!

Why would UK be conducting an investigation on an Italian bribery case?
Idiots!!!

The question to UK should be the role its citizens played in the scam.:Christian Michel for instance.
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ramana wrote:Why would SG fund a far right political party in Itlay while in India she claims to be for the far left?

Far right in Italy means borderline fascist party.
Her minons like Neroyanan are on the hunt for Hindu fascists!!!
Apart from the portrait, the other prominent feature of the dimly-lit front room of Maino's house was the collection of leather-bound speeches and writings of Benito Mussolini. I looked pointedly at them. Without batting an eyelid, Maino declared his unwavering loyalty to Mussolini and Italy's 'admirable' fascist past. The words streamed forth. The current Italian government was composed of a bunch of traitors who had betrayed Mussolini and the Fatherland. All the modern Italian political parties were hopeless, except the neo-fascist front. What Italians needed was compulsory sterilisation. Indira Gandhi smiled benignly out of the silver-frame. Nadia, Sonia's petite and pretty younger sister, sitting beside her father, looked decidedly embarrassed.
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?205112
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There are more gems in that article.
He took special pride in his work-worn hands and in the dignity of labour which had motivated him to build a bungalow for his wife and three daughters, Sonia, Nadia and Anoushka. He waved those hands before me some 20 years ago in Orbassano to illustrate that he was a self-made man who had created all that he owned with his own labour. He wished to disprove the allegations made even then that the Maino family had grown rich due to its Gandhi connection.

At that time, in the autumn of 1977, shortly after the Emergency, Maino was not too happy about his daughter Sonia's Indian connections. He resignedly noted: "After Sonia's marriage everyone thinks we have got rich and made free trips to India. But we have paid for everything ourselves. Sonia's marriage has been an expensive thing for us." :mrgreen: He also mentioned that Sonia, her husband and children and their ayah, too, used to descend on Orbassano during the summer holidays, causing considerable expense. :lol: On the other hand, he claimed he had helped India's foreign exchange position by encouraging several of his friends to visit India as tourists. :rotfl:

Maino had absolute faith in the integrity of his son-in-law Rajiv. He was confident "that Rajiv has no connections in the Boeing or any other deal. Rajiv is not in the least interested in such matters". :P As for the corruption charges then being made against Sanjay Gandhi, "he is just a boy and businessmen and politicians may have used him.... Sanjay is a young politician and not very experienced. That is why he has not been successful." :twisted:

Indira Gandhi's arrest in 1977 on the orders of the then home minister, Charan Singh, had worried Maino, but not much. He was mainly worried about the future of his grandchildren, Priyanka and Rahul. He glanced at the silver-framed portrait of Indira Gandhi with Priyanka and Rahul and declared: "Mrs Gandhi is the only person in India who can do good things for India."
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/c ... epage=true

Charge sheet says €100,000 given to Tyagi brothers

So Tyagi idiots were sold for €100,000.
“Orsi and Spagnolini initially corresponded with Haschke and Gerosa through a consultancy contract signed between AgustaWestland and Gordian Services (a company belonging to Haschke) for the sum of 400,000 euros, of which 100,000 was paid in cash to the Tyagi brothers. Then followed an engineering contract between IDS India and IDS Tunisia to furnish a cover for payments of sums of money to remunerate Indian public officials as well as the intermediaries Haschke and GEROSA.”
Just 100K for those idiots and rest to MAFIA. If you tap the phones of Ahmed Patel, we will know the details.
The charge sheet also gives details of “fictitious” bills emitted by IDS India from 2007 to 2011 for a total of 21,425,647.00 Euros. For instance in 2008, the list of bills and their reference numbers mention the sums of 900,000 Euros (6.11.2008), listed as “advance payment according to article 7.3 of the “agreement”, 170,000 Euros (12.2008) as “first monthly payment according to article 2 of the “agreement” and 255,000 Euros (31.12.2008) listed as “second monthly payment according to article 2 of the “agreement”. The payments continue according to “the agreement” until 2011.
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http://www.rediff.com/news/report/chopp ... 130216.htm
The mention of the word ‘family’ in the Italian chargesheet into the AugustaWestland scam has raised eyebrows.


The chargesheet, which runs into 64 pages, has this to say in its 41st page: On 8th of May, 2011 it has come to light that there were two agreements in place with AW which is where the misunderstanding has arisen. One agreement was for EUR 42m with the team and the other for EUR 28m (not less than 5 per cent of the total contract value) with the family. The team has agreed to reduce their EUR 42m to EUR 30m while recognising the need for the agreement of EUR 28m with the family to be honoured in full.”

The chargesheet alleges that the word ‘family’ had cropped up when Guido Haschke, the middleman for AugustaWestland, spoke of the same. He had said that the family wants 28 million euros arranged, the chargesheet says.

“11 teams, have agreed to reduce its 42 million to 30 million, recognising the need to respect fully the agreement of 28 million with the family.”


The use of the word ‘family’ is being debated by many.

PTI reported that BJP spokesperson Prakash Javdekar said earlier in the day, "Who finalised and signed the VVIP chopper deal? Who received the kickbacks? In two places, the Italian chargesheet talks about payment of 28 million Euros to 'the family'. The nation wants to know who 'the family' is."
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