Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion
Posted: 22 Apr 2015 11:17
^^premature hubris... India is not a loudmouth weakling without self-control, grasp over facts, or a solid grip on objectivity, in my opinion.
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From wikipedia (demographics of Louisiana)chetak wrote: ...
this opportunistic "leader" chose conversion to catholicism when conversion to protestantism would have better served him in the US?? Not usual for bobbyj to make such a glaring mistake, especially when the dedicated furtherance of his personal ambition is involved.
The largest denominations by number of adherents in 2000 were the Roman Catholic Church with 1,382,603; Southern Baptist Convention with 868,587; and the United Methodist Church with 160,153.[18]
Maybe marginally better, as seen in short timeframe. Bush was one responsible for the famous visa ban.Yagnasri wrote:Any US president from GOP will be comparatively better than a Dem President as for as India concerned. Yes GOP people will be supporting EJ activities etc, but Dems have a inherent hatred towards India. In fact Dems and SD as a whole is more comfortable with any Despotic ruler than any democatic nation particularly when such nation is not US dog like UK.
+1pankajs wrote:I think beepul are missing the core philosophy of India's engagement with the outside world .... and how it is being leveraged by Modi as compared to MMS government. The core philosophy of India's engagement is described as *strategic autonomy*.
Under UPA/MMS that meant equi-distance from everyone where the distance part was emphasized. That made us an inward looking country. Under NDA/Modi it means equi-embrace of everyone (who can help with our goals) where the embrace part is emphasized. That makes us an outward looking country.
Poles apart in implementation but the same core philosophy. One needs to look at our external relationship in this context. We will welcome help that fits in with our core national interests no matter what country.
Given that thinking, I will bet that even Baki initiatives that fit into our overall architecture will be welcome with open arms by Modi sarkar what talk of US or China.
+1JE Menon wrote:^^premature hubris... India is not a loudmouth weakling without self-control, grasp over facts, or a solid grip on objectivity, in my opinion.
+1habal wrote:India doesn't any more see USA as an equal partner, at best it's a fading power who can provide India with an edge over competition and some new tech. Even without their contribution India will get therr and also get ahead of them. USA has to be content with being a junior partner in any equation with India in future. It has to tuck it's tail and pretty much behave as an Indian vassal to get along with any partnership/relation.
During the cold war the super powers used the Indian culture and Indian mass appeal to get worldwide support. Indian elite and Indian leadership did not convert that advantage for critical Indian interestKLNMurthy wrote: Modi has shifted emphasis to "equally trying to influence everybody" from "equally trying to fight off everybody's influence."
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How did they do that?svinayak wrote:During the cold war the super powers used the Indian culture and Indian mass appeal to get worldwide support.KLNMurthy wrote: Modi has shifted emphasis to "equally trying to influence everybody" from "equally trying to fight off everybody's influence."
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That is a separate topic and it is complex. Topics on cultural war will give some details.KLNMurthy wrote:
Modi has shifted emphasis to "equally trying to influence everybody" from "equally trying to fight off everybody's influence."
During the cold war the super powers used the Indian culture and Indian mass appeal to get worldwide support.
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How did they do that?
http://carnegieendowment.org/files/making_waves.pdfEver since the conclusion of the India-US nuclear deal, policymakers have wondered what the next “big idea” in transforming bilateral ties might be. Though no successor initiative could ever replicate that accord, there exists an opportunity that holds the promise of making new waves in bilateral collaboration if only Washington and New Delhi are imaginative enough to grasp it: jointly developing India’s next-generation aircraft carrier.
former Alabama police officer pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to a federal charge of violating the rights of an Indian grandfather injured during a violent confrontation earlier this year.
Eric Sloan Parker, 26, entered a plea of not guilty during a brief appearance before US magistrate judge Harwell G Davis III, court records showed.
Parker, who was accompanied by his lawyer, is free on $5,000 bond. His trial is set for 1 June, although it could be delayed.
From my experience, I would differ. I have spent a very long time in US and spent some part of it in interacting with spiritually inclined people and I also used to teach meditation and yoga during my free time. I find Americans to be more open to genuine spirituality than most other nationalities. It is not for nothing that Indian sages from Paramahamsa Yogananda to Swami Vivekananda to Paramhamsa Yogananda to Sri Aurobindo (he didnt visit US but written about potential India - US cultural partnership and his Integral philosophy in part provides a synthesis of Eastern and Western worldviews) recent Gurus such as Sri Sri or Jaggi Vasudev spend lot of effort and energy in US. If you crack open the outer layers, US culture is defined by a thirst for freedom and search for Truth. Indian civilization can be summed up as pivoted around the search for and expression of that Truth through. the mechanisms of search for Truth (inner & subjective vs outer and objective) may vary but there is lot more genuine possibility for true partnership between Indian and US cultures.krisna wrote: chinese ruthlessness is more due to communism. this is a product incubated in europe. (product of christianity- which made it reject the religion due to its excesses in europe)This is wreaking havoc in china. christianity makes a comeback in places with communism.
chinese never had problems with India as long as there was no communism. Buddhist china was never a threat for India.
I dont believe usa is open to dharmic thoughts at least not now. abrahamic thoughts prevent it from doing so.
bedrock of usa(deepstate) despite its supposed claims of secularims is judeochristianity. never to forget it.
A red and green ‘chadar’ offered by the United States Embassy on behalf of US President Barack Obama and the people of the country was presented at the Dargah Ajmer Sharif on Monday morning with a message of ‘deepest friendship’ and ‘peace’.
The ‘chadar’ was presented by Haji Syed Salman Chishty, Gaddi Nashin and Director of the Chishty Foundation. “I was in Washington DC ten days back and the idea came up then. This is the first occasion when such an offering has been made by the US,” Chishty told the Indian Express. “The US Ambassador Richard Verma handed over the chadar to me in New Delhi last week and I presented it here this morning at 11 am on the occasion of the 803rd Urs.”
According to an official statement from the Dargah, the message from Verma read, “On behalf of the United States government, I convey greetings of deepest friendship and respect to the community of Dargah Ajmer Sharif and the people of Ajmer. On this day, the 803rd Annual Urs of Hazrat Khawaja Moinudeen Hasan Chishty, our thoughts are with the community in Ajmer and we give thanks for the work of the Dargah Ajmer Sharif and its legacy of striving for understanding, peace, and respect between all faiths and peoples of the world.”
It further added, “As President Obama has said: ‘Whatever our beliefs, whatever our traditions, we must seek to be instruments of peace, and bringing light where there is darkness, and sowing love where there is hatred’.”
Verma commended the Dargah Ajmer Sharif for its ‘commitment to these noble goals’ and conveyed the ‘goodwill of the American people and partnership of the U.S. Embassy in your work to make this world a better place.’
this is true, but this group has zero influence over policy making.schinnas wrote: From my experience, I would differ. I have spent a very long time in US and spent some part of it in interacting with spiritually inclined people and I also used to teach meditation and yoga during my free time. I find Americans to be more open to genuine spirituality than most other nationalities.
Many Indians tend to be influenced by westerners who agree with them and have similar outlook.habal wrote:this is true, but this group has zero influence over policy making.schinnas wrote: From my experience, I would differ. I have spent a very long time in US and spent some part of it in interacting with spiritually inclined people and I also used to teach meditation and yoga during my free time. I find Americans to be more open to genuine spirituality than most other nationalities.
Next will be Eid dinner hosting and open dialogue with different muslims sects in India ?svenkat wrote:[url=http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... er-dargah/]A red and green ‘chadar’ offered by the United States Embassy on behalf of US President Barack Obama and the people of the country was presented at the Dargah Ajmer Sharif on Monday morning with a message of ‘deepest friendship’ and ‘peace’.
we also know what buttons to push for murica, even if we have not pushed it right in the past.Singha wrote:I have a feeling china would turn out to be a bigger devil than usa. atleast there has been a good amt of migration into usa and we "understand" their deep state. our migration to cheen is 0 and their intentions very opaque.
It is not just people on the thread -- just check out what passes for thought in the Indian "think tanks" about China (or the US, for that matter), or a lot of the "right wing"er hindooos like the ones who write for Swarajya. Must be something in the water supply.bade wrote: On what basis are people spouting all this Indi-Chini bhai-bhai just cast in a different frock of spirituality, it is the biggest crock I keep hearing in this forum.
kish wrote:Take that joo Kufr. Pakisatan is the top nation which says religion plays an important role in their lives![]()
But is this imperial reach and race based dogmatic problematic issues religion in purity Itself ? God gave the land, ordered genocide, slavery etc all started from Mouses, The Fire Douzat.ramana wrote:X-post....lkish wrote:Take that joo Kufr. Pakisatan is the top nation which says religion plays an important role in their lives![]()
If the US were truly religious we won't see the imperial over-reach nor the internal race based violence.If so how accurate is the data for others!!!
GDP is across India - so are the averages for religiosity. Same should be true for the US.LokeshC wrote:^^^ Urban India or rural India? Which state, which community. India is not monolithic enough for that graph.
Revelations of new high-level losses among Al Qaeda’s top leadership in Pakistan’s tribal belt have underscored how years of American drone strikes have diminished and dispersed the militant group’s upper ranks and forced them to cede prominence and influence to more aggressive offshoots in Yemen and Somalia.
While the C.I.A. drone strike that killed two Western hostages has led to intense criticism of the drone program and potentially a reassessment of it, the American successes over the years in targeting and killing senior Qaeda operatives in their home base has left the militant group’s leadership diminished and facing difficult choices, counterterrorism officials and analysts say.
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Even the death of Mr. Weinstein, a prized hostage whom Al Qaeda had long sought to exchange for prisoners or money, is emblematic of the state of siege. Whereas in Syria, the Islamic State has turned hostage execution into a macabre propaganda spectacle, Al Qaeda has seen any dividend from its captives snatched away, albeit inadvertently, by its American foes.
“Core Al Qaeda is a rump of its former self,” said an American counterterrorism official, in an assessment echoed by several European and Pakistani officials.
The Pakistanis estimate that Al Qaeda has lost 40 loyalists, of all ranks, to American drone strikes in the past six months – a higher toll than other sources have tracked but indicative of a broader trend. Now, they say, Qaeda commanders are moving back to the relative safety, and isolation, of locations they once fled, like the mountains of eastern Afghanistan, and Sudan.
President Obama’s disclosure that the C.I.A. killed four Americans in January – the two hostages, and two senior Qaeda leaders – offered a rare glimpse into the decade-old shadow war in Pakistan’s tribal borderlands, as well as hint of how difficult it remains to get information about Qaeda activities there. Although the strikes that killed Mr. Weinstein and Mr. Lo Porto occurred several months ago, Mr. Obama said he could confirm their deaths only recently.
... “The drones have left Al Qaeda in tatters,” said a Pakistani security official in Peshawar, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “They are in disarray, trying to reorganize but struggling to find people capable of leading the organization.”
The group had put hope for new leadership on Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, a local franchise begun in September by the Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri, ostensibly to counter Islamic State recruitment efforts.
The deputy leader of the group was Ahmed Farouq, who was apparently seen as a rising star in militant circles for some time. In a letter to Osama bin Laden in 2010, which recently became public through a terrorism trial in New York, a militant of the same name was singled out as having potential leadership potential. “A good man” wrote Atiyah Abd al Rahman, a senior Qaeda leader who was killed in a drone strike in 2011.
But the new unit’s ability to impose itself has been constrained by drone strikes that have killed at least five of its leaders, including Mr. Farouq, who officials say was an American citizen, and who is said to have died in the strike that killed the hostages.
As ever, though, new militants are emerging to fill the vacant places. Several American officials pointed to Farouq al-Qahtani al-Qatari, who is believed to be based in Kunar Province in eastern Afghanistan. One American official described him as “one of the most important remaining figures in the region.”
American officials said there was an upside to Qaeda operatives relocating to Afghanistan. The American military, despite its diminished presence in the country, still has far greater latitude to launch raids and strikes there than it does across the border. And the Afghan intelligence service and elite special operations forces are far more reliable allies than Pakistan’s spies.
Another militant who may figure on American kill lists is Mansoor al Harbi, a Saudi logistician who, the Pakistani official said, is currently based in the Shawal Valley.
For now, Qaeda’s top leadership will probably be preoccupied with its survival rather than plotting attacks ...{ That can only be good for India too}
Indian GDP has NOT been accurately measured till date. The current numbers given for India do not constitute the whole of India. Though this is not for this thread, just on basis of numbers:vayu tuvan wrote:GDP is across India - so are the averages for religiosity. Same should be true for the US.LokeshC wrote:^^^ Urban India or rural India? Which state, which community. India is not monolithic enough for that graph.
Wait for 2002 Post-Godhra disturbances case to be reopened through appropriate channel.US seeks clarification from India on Ford Foundation issue
Press Trust of India | Washington Apr 25, 2015 02:28 AM IST
The United States today expressed concern over India's crackdown on Ford Foundation and Greenpeace,and said it is seeking "clarification" on the action.
"We are aware that the (Indian) Ministry of Home Affairs suspended the registration of Greenpeace India and has placed the Ford Foundation on a prior permission watch list," the State Department Deputy Acting Spokesperson, Marie Harf, told reporters at her daily news conference.
Hope there are no U turns...Altair wrote:Wait for 2002 Post-Godhra disturbances case to be reopened through appropriate channel.US seeks clarification from India on Ford Foundation issue
Press Trust of India | Washington Apr 25, 2015 02:28 AM IST
The United States today expressed concern over India's crackdown on Ford Foundation and Greenpeace,and said it is seeking "clarification" on the action.
"We are aware that the (Indian) Ministry of Home Affairs suspended the registration of Greenpeace India and has placed the Ford Foundation on a prior permission watch list," the State Department Deputy Acting Spokesperson, Marie Harf, told reporters at her daily news conference.
Read NDTV as the US Foggy Bottom Mouth piece in India.
Indian GDP has NOT been accurately measured till date. The current numbers given for India do not constitute the whole of India. Though this is not for this thread, just on basis of numbers:
Household Savings in
India- 32% (discounting all gold)
USA- 1.5%
Amount of Indian savings in Indian stock Market - 7% of 32% ~ 2.25%
Amount of American savings in their stock market-excess of 95%
Take these numbers FWIW.