Indo-UK: News & Discussion

sum · Post by **sum** » 06 Jul 2011 16:00

^^ AoA...... hope the oppressed minorities are given their due and theirs concerns noted and acted on with sensitivity.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Jul 2011 02:46

Since there is no separate Uk thread ,this is posted here.Many might remember the infamous Litvinenko (small-time Russian defector) murder ,which used radioactive polonium to spike his drink in a Piccadilly cafe.He died a painful death.The Brits accuse a former Russian agent of the deed,who vehemently denies it all,accusing a well-known disgraced Russian billionaire oligarch,living in exile in London, who has openly declared war against Putin & co.Here's the latest in this sensational espionage saga.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ister.html

Alexander Litvinenko suspect criticises British foreign minister
Alexander Lugovoi, the chief suspect in the Alexander Litvinenko murder, has accused a Foreign Office minister for talking "nonsense" comments that UK-Russia relations remained frozen in key areas due to the grisly affair.

Xcpt:

Speaking in Moscow ahead of a visit to Russia by David Cameron in September, David Lidington, the minister of state for Europe, said that Downing Street was unwilling to reinstate counter-terrorism cooperation with Russia or negotiate a more liberal visa regime until there was movement in the infamous murder case.
"A British citizen was murdered in the middle of London in a way that put a significant number of other lives at risk," said Mr Lidington. "We cannot simply ignore that."
Litvinenko, a KGB officer-turned-dissident, died a horrific death in London in 2006 after drinking a cup of tea laced with radioactive poison. Britain has unsuccessfully sought the extradition of Mr Lugovoi, a former KGB bodyguard, believing it has ample evidence of his guilt. But Russia has refused, citing its constitution which forbids his extradition.
Mr Lugovoi, who is now an MP for an ultra-nationalist Russian party, responded angrily to Mr Lidington's comments on Wednesday calling them "nonsense" and "incompetent."
Protesting his innocence, he accused a well-known London-based oligarch of having a strong motive to murder Mr Litvinenko instead, and said he was working with UK-based lawyers to throw more light on what really happened.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 08 Jul 2011 02:08

News of the World to publish final edition on Sunday

The newspaper has taken a fatal blow due to a phone-scandal and made the announcement.

{Perhaps this is what the attendees of the Bilderberg conference meant when they stated their intentions to pressurize Rupert Murdoch to scale down his reporting on the group's globalization plans}

British PM orders an inquiry into the scandal.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 08 Jul 2011 03:17

Klaus wrote:News of the World to publish final edition on Sunday

The newspaper has taken a fatal blow due to a phone-scandal and made the announcement.

{Perhaps this is what the attendees of the Bilderberg conference meant when they stated their intentions to pressurize Rupert Murdoch to scale down his reporting on the group's globalization plans}

British PM orders an inquiry into the scandal.

It will simple merge with the Scum and reinvent itself as Scum on Sunday. A disgusting newspaper pomoted by one of the most vile individual on this planet.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 08 Jul 2011 05:22

sum wrote:^^ AoA...... hope the oppressed minorities are given their due and theirs concerns noted and acted on with sensitivity.

Replying to Jinnah on August 5, Churchill espoused the right of Moslems and the Depressed Classes to their fair share of life and power. I feel that it is most important that the British Army should not be used to dominate the Moslems, even though the caste Hindus might claim numerical majority in a constituent assembly

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Jul 2011 22:06

^^ Just need to replace the "caste hindus" with "supremacist white Brits" to make it relevant for today. Hope our PM sends a personal telegram with this message to Sri.Cameron.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 10 Jul 2011 14:55

The Final Solution to the Indian Problem (by the British Army)

http://www.arrse.co.uk/current-affairs- ... -poor.html

As always the comments betray their true feelings, ba$tards!!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Jul 2011 15:21

Singha wrote:...put UK on a human rights watchlist, call for a urgent UN conference to discuss the rights and freedoms

First, do what you can at the stateside level. Forget the UN or HRC. That comes later. See, you got to play the game and progressively ante up. Start with official maps that "show ground reality in a different colors and titles". Especially in Indian newspapers that are published in Ireland. Promise moral, diplomatic and monetary (aid) support. Send half a dozen TV reporters dressed in war fatigues, bullet proof vests and kevlar helmets (stating "PRESS") to cover the "situation" via erratic satellite phones and predict dire collapse of the economy on talk shows. Get Goswami to interview AD Roy from her lair in Jharkhand. Produce lots of fast moving graphics on the screen interspersed with ads for Nirma and Lifeboy. Show columns of refugees moving south (in B&W). Send Barkha to interview Cameron at 10 Downing Street. Show English politicians in slow motion and focus on their teeth, especially when they smile menacingly. Make some "tsk, tsk" sounds. Create some Irish "youth leaders" and an odd geriatric one as well who have tales to tell of pelting stones and "fighting bare-handed" with the English tanks (remember to show sub-titles in English at the bottom of the screen). Blank out or modify their voices on TV so that MI-5 wouldn't recognize and arrest them for sedition. Then wait for the Brits to cancel or refuse visas to Indian journalists. That's when you raise the "Irish issue" on global fora.

Then rinse and repeat the above with the Free Scotland movement and Welsh Nationalists. Not at the same time. Pretty soon, the English will be begging for reciprocal talks on J&K.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Jul 2011 15:48

anupmisra wrote:...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jul 2011 17:25

brilliant sir...RAA couldnt have written it up better. I like the war zone reporting concept...indic journalists must be on the frontlines of covering unrest in the streets of UKstan and its pseudo colonies. once the true teeth of UK Is shown on prime time TV in india, the romantic notions of indians about the UK will be flushed into toilet, which is step.1

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 10 Jul 2011 22:07

Sharia Law hits the UK

HARDCORE Islamists have vowed to ban booze and mixing between the sexes in new Sharia law enforcement zones across the UK. The move will see specific areas flooded with thousands of stickers saying “no gambling”, “no music or concerts”, “no ***** or prostitution” and “no drugs or smoking”.

The posters declare: “You are entering a Sharia controlled zone – Islamic rules enforced.”

The radicals will kick off their controlled zones in the London borough of Waltham Forest later this month. They also claim their hardline rules will be policed by thousands of “Sharia cops” on the streets

“We want to run the area as a Sharia-controlled zone and really to put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term.
“We want to create an area where Muslims can live together, make transactions with each other, and interact between themselves rather than with the wider community.”

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 12 Jul 2011 02:36

1908 Atlantic Magazine Article: The New Nationalist Movement in India

A must read article on British Rule in India,

Please read the full article to get a perspective on British rule in India.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 12 Jul 2011 05:10

harbans wrote:1908 Atlantic Magazine Article: The New Nationalist Movement in India

A must read article on British Rule in India,

Please read the full article to get a perspective on British rule in India.

OMG, am so, so terribly saddened to read it all. Didn't think it was possible to despise Brit mofos any more already. The descriptions of untreated and repeated famines that rose four-fold after the crown tool over from the EIC, the deathly levels of taxation on Yindian 'subjects' ... heart-breaking is putting it mildly.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 12 Jul 2011 06:57

harbans wrote:1908 Atlantic Magazine Article: The New Nationalist Movement in India

A must read article on British Rule in India,

Please read the full article to get a perspective on British rule in India.

When I read articles from old magazines/newspapers like these, I wonder if there are not many more of such stories/articles out there. India had many English newspapers at that time, there were also magazines back then (published in UK, USA etc) which would have carried articles about India. I am sure many of these would have had news reports of British treatment of the natives-written from a British point-of-view. Surely a year-long famine would have merited atleast a few stories in a given newspaper over that time. These would likely be available in newspaper archives somewhere in India (as opposed to some dungeon in the India Office in London, inaccessible to most Indians). If only they were made public and placed on the web......

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 12 Jul 2011 07:14

harbans wrote:1908 Atlantic Magazine Article: The New Nationalist Movement in India
A must read article on British Rule in India,
Please read the full article to get a perspective on British rule in India.

Thanks for posting this article. The British manufactured famines, crushing the Indian people under heavy taxation, the draining of wealth from India to Britain, the deliberate destruction of Indian manufacturing, all these historical facts about British colonialism are nothing new to me but reading that article made my blood boil.A day will definitely come when the roles will be reversed.Its only a matter of when. I pray that it should happen in my life time and not in my children or grandchildren's lifetimes.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 13 Jul 2011 01:34

Thank you for posting the article. Great read and as the poster mentioned above, made my blood boil.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 13 Jul 2011 02:49

So remind me again why we may buy the EF and put money into British jobs?

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 13 Jul 2011 03:18

harbans wrote:1908 Atlantic Magazine Article: The New Nationalist Movement in India

A must read article on British Rule in India,

Please read the full article to get a perspective on British rule in India.

Thanks for posting. It was truly gut wrenching. Importantly, I have a bunch of data points to argue with.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Jul 2011 08:21

http://www.theway.co.uk/feature.php?id=8510

Extremists want UK towns to become Islamic states

Bradford, Dewsbury and Tower Hamlets should be turned into independent Islamic states operating under full Sharia law, an extremist Muslim group has said.

The plan has been published in a document posted on the website of the radical group, Muslims Against Crusades (MAC). The document also calls for the release from prison of all Muslim criminals, a ban on Muslims joining the police or armed forces, and a rejection of British democracy.

It says, “we suggest it is time that areas with large Muslim populations might declare an emirate delineating that Muslims within this area are trying to live by the Sharia as much as possible, with their own courts and community watch and schools and even self sufficient trade. “Likely areas for these projects might be Dewsbury or Bradford or Tower Hamlets to begin with. In time we can envisage that the whole of the Sharia might one day be implemented starting with these enclaves.”

The group’s extreme plan comes as a Bill in the House of Lords seeks to stop Sharia law taking root as a parallel legal system. The Arbitration and Mediation Services (Equality) Bill, introduced by Baroness Cox, would make it a crime for Sharia courts to falsely claim legal jurisdiction. It would also protect Muslim women from sex discrimination at the hands of Sharia courts.

The Christian Institute’s Mike Judge said: “There is no way that the British Government is going to allow independent Islamic states to be set up in any of our towns or cities. It’s just not going to happen. “But this does show that some British Muslims want to impose Sharia law on their communities. That’s why we’re backing Lady Cox’s Bill in the House of Lords. “Her Bill will stop Sharia law taking root as a parallel legal system, and ensure that there is equality before the law – particularly for vulnerable Muslim women.”

pradeepe · Post by **pradeepe** » 13 Jul 2011 09:10

Hari Seldon wrote:
harbans wrote:1908 Atlantic Magazine Article: The New Nationalist Movement in India

A must read article on British Rule in India,

Please read the full article to get a perspective on British rule in India.
OMG, am so, so terribly saddened to read it all. Didn't think it was possible to despise Brit mofos any more already. The descriptions of untreated and repeated famines that rose four-fold after the crown tool over from the EIC, the deathly levels of taxation on Yindian 'subjects' ... heart-breaking is putting it mildly.

You dare question the beneficiality of the Raj.

"Today, with the balance and perspective offered by the passage of time and the benefit of hindsight, it is possible for an Indian prime minister to assert that India's experience with Britain had its beneficial consequences too. Our notions of the rule of law, of a constitutional government, of a free press, of a professional civil service, of modern universities and research laboratories have all been fashioned in the crucible where an age old civilization of India met the dominant empire of the day. These are all elements which we still value and cherish. Our judiciary, our legal system, our bureaucracy and our police are all great institutions, derived from British-Indian administration and they have served our country exceedingly well."

So sayeth our pradhan matriji. Dont try to apply that to the pakis of course.

Long ago, there was a teacher we had, I think in the 7th class. The assignment was about writing fiction. Out came a story the next day about a one eyed monster and how it tormented me and my brother..or something like that. I dont quite remember. But the interesting thing is that the teacher pulls me up and asks, which english novel did you get this from? He wouldn't take it that such creativity could be natural. Anyway going off topic.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 13 Jul 2011 15:44

Cosmo_R wrote:So remind me again why we may buy the EF and put money into British jobs?

Then Indians will have the right to say to the Brits "Who's your daddy, now?"

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Jul 2011 02:42

Abhijit Pandya

He is a UK Independence Party member and wrote some controversial stuff on Islam lately. He has written a book titled "Conservatism for the Future".

Review
A fascinating account of many of the issues facing Britain today, a particularly acute critique of mass immigration and multi-culturalism. I would recommend everyone, including David Cameron and Gordon Brown to read this book today.

Pandya holds very little back, and says what needs to be said , going where few politicians dare to. --Dr. Matthew Niblett, Faculty of Theology, University of Oxford.

This is a hugely patriotic and thought provoking piece about multi-culturalism and problems of radical Islam in Britain today. His analysis of the introduction of Sharia law is particularly thought provoking. It also covers various other pressing political problems facing the UK in the next decade- a must read for anyone interested in current affairs in Britain. -- Hal Iggulden, Author Dangerous Book for Boys.

Product Description
The book discusses a range of issues including multi-culturalism, social cohesion, radical Islam, integration and assimilation in the UK. It also discusses the future of the Conservative Party under David Cameron, and the pros and cons of the Conservative Party undertaking a social agenda.

Other issues include the problems with youth misbehaviour, how to tackle knife and violent crime, treatment of the British Armed Forces and the Parliamentary Expenses Scandal.

He was also active in getting Geert Wilders to be permitted to enter Britain after a ban on him. It seems some indians are also jumping on to the Geert Wilders bandwagon.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Jul 2011 09:49

^^^Wah, wah.

Sri pandya appears to be doing yeoman service to the world. Its almost as if he's being guided by karma only....

Lest we forget great $hitain cynically and ruthlessly exploited undivided India's religious faultlines to carve out a perennially toxic Pakistan onto the subcontinental map. And caused millions in casualities while at it too. And continued playing politics (J&K aggression by the packees when IA's brit officers' actions were suspect) even after 15-aug-47.

Today, a desi stoking religious divisions in the UK that will eventually lead to a widening fissures, unbridgeable differences, negative reconciliation, finally to no-go sharia only areas in UKstan and so on effectively heraldinga de facto partition on the unholy isles and a civil war in the go-areas etc. doesn't seem like a terrible idea, at first glance. Its karmic repayment only for the gifts that UKstan left the subcontinent that keep on giving 60+ yrs later also (Re: Mumbai).

/Ok. Rant over. back to work....

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 16 Jul 2011 10:22

Abhijit is basically opposed to mass immigration and to multi-culturalism. Very sensible positions, nothing majorly exceptionable about these stances - I fully expect these two planks to be the wave of the future across all Western and liberal states, as they are forced to react to illiberal forces infiltrating their societies.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Jul 2011 10:50

AGreed, arjun saar.

Which is why I label it a rant only.

However, you should not misunderestimate the packee psyche. See, any attempt to limit mass-migration, change asylum laws or some such will be seen (justifiably so, perhaps, eh?) by the pious as targetted specifically at them. Just like pak likes to label every desi mijjile as pak-specific only. And we all know what happens when the pious feel they are cornered (which is, like, every other day only). Up goes the battle cry of "islam khatrey mein hai! Jaish ho!"

Bring out the beer and the popcorn I say, as the same societies that routinely take the high table on human-rights kinda issues and yell daleet rights, minority rights etc when it comes to India from every forum and orifice imaginable will stare true packeeness in the face only.

Oiro mistreatment of Roma is a pointer to which way they'll go when pushed to a wall, perhaps. Anyways, the oiros are a sick, ageing society more concerned with pensions and retirements than with preserving liberty or culture or rights or some such. (Oh, am I sounding too much like Oriana Fallaci or Mark Steyn already?) Expect slow boiling frog for breakfast a couple of decades from now as slow sharia takes over mohalla after mohalla, school board after board, and ghetto after ghetto in the major orio cities and maybe even canadian places....

OK, we don't know yet that'll happen but time will tell and should that happen, I wouldn't cry copious tears for the orio and especially the UKstani types. Only.

/OK, Another rant over.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 16 Jul 2011 12:57

Hari ji,

Completely appreciate where you are coming from.....retribution for their imperialist past, divide and rule - the sins of the past coming back to haunt them.

But there is another angle to it that interests me more...breaking the hold of left-liberal ideas in Europe and consequently in India. Among the many bothersome legacies of the British - one of the most pernicious is the dominance of left-liberal beliefs in the media and supposed 'intellectuals'. Leave aside their misguided economic policies, in the area of social relations their woolly headed dogmas include what is called 'mutli-culturalism' and tolerance of all cultures irrespective of how liberal these cultures themselves are....This left-liberal clique in the UK is also the one raising the bogey of daleet rights, minority rights in India like you mention. The left-liberal dogma is as much as an internal threat screwing up the UK and other parts of Europe, as it is screwing up countries like India where it has been exported to.

In order to break a dogma you have to discredit the source - similar to how the mullahs must be discredited in order for Islamism to collapse...There is absolutely no point taking on Indian left liberals aka pseuduo-seculars - they are just mouthpieces that have outsourced their brains and will keep parroting their lines as long as they believe they have global backing for their outdated ideas. The original source is the European left liberals - and David Cameron, Abhijit & European society in general are all doing their part in hastening the eventual demise of this philosophy. I would bring out the beer and popcorn too - only from a slightly different POV.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 16 Jul 2011 13:05

^^ Totally. At the risk of sounding like an echo chamber, let me again agree with you.

Watch out for fascistic ugliness to erupt back in Eurostan bigtime within our lifetimes. leftist-pseudo liberalism is in fashion because the west, even today, has the big money, the big awards, the big pulpits and a big ecosystem to nurture wannabe SDRE gungadins (ARoy, AAdiga, Pankaj Misra etc). But that edifice is way past its prime and is yielding diminishing returns in addition to sparking off a revivalist and nativist backlash among the proud-to-be-pagan target societies only.

O sure, I'm all watching where this is going. And remember, no misplaced goodwill or sympathy for the EU-UKstani types when the $hit does hit the fan.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 16 Jul 2011 13:18

Arjun wrote: In order to break a dogma you have to discredit the source - similar to how the mullahs must be discredited in order for Islamism to collapse...There is absolutely no point taking on Indian left liberals aka pseuduo-seculars - they are just mouthpieces that have outsourced their brains and will keep parroting their lines as long as they believe they have global backing for their outdated ideas. The original source is the European left liberals - and David Cameron, Abhijit & European society in general are all doing their part in hastening the eventual demise of this philosophy. I would bring out the beer and popcorn too - only from a slightly different POV.

This is debatable no? Notice the communists in India: their ideological masters are no longer around, both USSR and Chinese communism are consigned to the dustbins of history, yet the Indian commies still maintain their beliefs and parrot the same lines without change. Similarly it will be fool hardy to expect the likes of Prafool Bidwais, Arundhoti Suzanne Roys, the Burkha Dutts to suddenly change their tune purely because the West has abandoned left liberalism or their funds have dried up. They will still keep parroting the same. The Indian left in that respect is more "moralistic" than the American NPAs: the latter will change their tune depending on their funding, but not the former.

JMT...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Jul 2011 13:28

I think Acharya garu can better explain what part of the Western and Sinic system supports the leftist and pseudo-liberal infrastructure in India.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 16 Jul 2011 13:48

Tanaji wrote:This is debatable no? Notice the communists in India: their ideological masters are no longer around, both USSR and Chinese communism are consigned to the dustbins of history, yet the Indian commies still maintain their beliefs and parrot the same lines without change. Similarly it will be fool hardy to expect the likes of Prafool Bidwais, Arundhoti Suzanne Roys, the Burkha Dutts to suddenly change their tune purely because the West has abandoned left liberalism or their funds have dried up. They will still keep parroting the same. The Indian left in that respect is more "moralistic" than the American NPAs: the latter will change their tune depending on their funding, but not the former.

The communist parties in India are not strictly 'communist' any longer - the long-held belief in state control of all enterprises etc has all been given a quiet burial. Its probably only the Naxalites that might still retain the revolutionary fervour - and these are probably no more than jungle savages without any intellectual base. As long as there is no EJ/Chinese covert support for Naxalism, Naxalism will eventually be defeated.

The regular overboard communists have just morphed into 'left liberals' given the change in the global environment. Once Europe moves away from left liberal ideals as well, their Indian chamchas are bound to feel less secure.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 16 Jul 2011 13:53

Its probably only the Naxalites that might still retain the revolutionary fervour - and these are probably no more than jungle savages without any intellectual base

The do have people like Arundhati Suzanne roy/Binayak Sen and our own mohalla Somnath for obfuscation

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 17 Jul 2011 02:29

Pandya's book must be selling like crazy. It's out of stock

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 17 Jul 2011 18:17

There is a repulsive article in a recent issue of the Guardian, about freedom of the press, and freedom in general, in India. Absolutely reeks with arrogance and condescension. It's so awful, I don't want to post it!

It's the usual tactic, of taking a small sample of questionable censorship by the Indian government, and then blowing that up to make a sweeping statement about freedom in India.

It almost sounds silly having to explain to these people, but in India, there is a great variety of newspapers, magazines, TV channels, periodicals, journals and websites/blogs plus academia and individual citizens which criticise openly just about everything, including the few debatable acts of censorship the Guardian mentions.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Jul 2011 18:40

^^^ point them towards news international...

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 17 Jul 2011 22:31

Regarding the Pandya article
Having done a good job in assimilating Islam in the Indian context, India and Indians can provide a positive role in reducing!! friction between UK society and muslims in UKstan and to maintain peace. However there needs to be a balance of power in UK between muslims and christians so that India and Indians can conduct proper business in UK and Indian interests are not affected. Indians need to emphasize to both warring parties in UK that peaceful negotiations are the only way and expansion of the conflict is not good for them.!!!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Jul 2011 11:45

muslims in the uk benefit from very liberal laws on freedom of speech, expression and worship and a societal reluctance to assert its own national identity. this is a new thing for white britons, who until the 70's were mostly conservative with a strong under current of racism and racial superiority. over the last few decades as britain has become a less important country and people of different colours and cultures have risen in prominence, britain has become "multi-cultural", a country where in the past waving the flag of england (st george and not the union jack) was synonymous with fascism and football hooliganism, changed to one where normal people were persuaded to become ashamed of doing such things lest if offend. normal people are slowly rediscovering their more benign side of nationalism (although the nasty side lurks in the dark shadows) but are still constrained by political correctness and the multicultural drive for allowing foreigners to do pretty much what they want. whilst say afro-carribean and indian communities might see this as a positive way to have inclusive celebrations such as the nottinghill carnival and the various diwali celebrations, the islamist fringe see it as a licence to wage jihad.
the mango englander now happily enjoys his jerk chicken and reggae street party and his chicken tikka masala and diwali functions and bhangra, but he is still holding back from expressing himself loudly about his unhappiness with the beards taking over their country.
that backlash is brewing

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 18 Jul 2011 16:38

^^^True words, sir. If there is anything common to the europeans, it is their tendency to be absolutely brutal. The state, the people, the whole zing-bang. And when push comes to shove, the bearded ones are going to learn the lesson a very very hard way...which serves them quite well, actually.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 18 Jul 2011 16:40

Indeed, lalmullah... I sense that very same thing during my frequent visits to Englistan.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Jul 2011 17:39

the brutality if any will be against soft targets like indians - not against the little caliphate towns, or against the africans or caribbean immigrants (they will fight back viciously if pushed).

so I expect the pakis will set fire to the farm and the police will beat the indian immigrants.

even in massa the clued in hispanic/paki illegals with their sharp lawyers roll smoothly through asylum/parole etc while the poor indics are always in some immigration hassle or another

hoping the heavens will grant them a EB3 GC after 10 years

"tis the squeaky wheels that get the grease"

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Jul 2011 18:08

First thing is first. We need to break this habit in UK to label Indians and Pakistanis together under Asians or South Asians. How about Indics and Subcontinental Muslims.