Phone, Tablet and Gizmo Thread #0x02

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 Jul 2013 22:53

Dont discount the viral marketing and first hand marketing for HTCOne...i was at a bar the other day, and there were a bunch of ~20-30 year olds who had purchased the unit and were busy evangelizing it...per crossing the chasm, they were the early adopters & were busy hawking it to the next groups..
In short, the unit is selling itself. Its that good.
As a phone, its amazing...in that its functions may be the same as every Android phone out there...but its build quality is brilliant.. but its resolution is awesome. Ah, if a HTC one with stylus and intuitive note taker appeared, I'd jump too..

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 Jul 2013 02:17

Any news on Chacha's next tablet release on the lines of Nexus 7 ?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jul 2013 00:21

^^^The current Nexus 7s in retail stores are being discounted $20-$50, so the release will be soon in a matter of weeks. I suspect we'll see the new Nexus 7 and 11 at the end of this month between the 23rd-30th.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Jul 2013 02:06

Take note ye faithful, for reality strikes hard.....

Nikon feels the pressure from smartphones, says it needs to 'change the concept of cameras'

With slumping point-and-shoot camera sales and falling earnings, even a conservative company like Nikon can see the writing on the wall. President Makoto Kimura told Bloomberg that the number of people dropping compact shooters in favor of smartphones is "exploding" and that his company has created a new imaging business team to address the problem.

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BhairavP's next phunwa?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Jul 2013 03:47

ATT commercial says galaxy is whatever proof!!

Is there a test on putting it on fire?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jul 2013 04:09

Haamare Pyare wrote:Take note ye faithful, for reality strikes hard.....

Jab sahi camera aur phunwa istamaal karo, tho sahi foto khich thi hay! Dehko mera naya phunwa ka camera.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jul 2013 04:14

Interchangeable lens onlee!

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Jul 2013 04:24

Arrey Mortu tau, bechare Nikon ke CEO ko jaake bolo - bada pareshaan hai bechara aajkal due to rapidly declining P&S sales as people move to smartphunwas. Uskay man ko shanti milegi

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jul 2013 04:27

Neekon chota mota kampany hain aap ke log ke samne. CEO bada hona ka sapna hain, aur kuch nahi. Woh chota rehnga jaise Leica aur Zeiss hain.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Jul 2013 04:37

^^^Bechare ne sach kya keh di, ab woh chota ho gaya....tsk tsk....

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jul 2013 05:27

Arrey haamare pyare, Neekon pehla se chota mota kampany tha aur speciality optics mein. Unke P&S camera sab junk pehla se thay.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Jul 2013 07:05

^^^Heh heh ab unke P&S junk ho gaye? Aur unke DSLR?

Mortu tau, ab bhi waqt hai, haqeeqat ko samjho

negi · Post by **negi** » 09 Jul 2013 07:22

Neekon ko junk bola ? GD ke paas bhi wahi hai.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Jul 2013 08:20

just like pakistan is an army with a country, these lens have possession of a body also.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 09 Jul 2013 08:25

Mort Walker wrote:^^^The current Nexus 7s in retail stores are being discounted $20-$50, so the release will be soon in a matter of weeks. I suspect we'll see the new Nexus 7 and 11 at the end of this month between the 23rd-30th.

Thanks Mort! I just found a few spy shots online as well, plus cryptic references to a late July release. Looking forward to it.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jul 2013 16:57

negi wrote:Neekon ko junk bola ? GD ke paas bhi wahi hai.

Their CSCs are not as good as compared to Olympus, Fuji, Sony and Canon. Their SLRs are the finest. Nikon was always a smaller company focused on optics. It is their core business which will keep them steady. If they are looking for big quick profits, they'll be in trouble.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 09 Jul 2013 18:37

I hab Neekaun too ji! The new D7100 + a 70-200/2.8 VR1 which I got s/h for cheap. Great camera.
@Bose saar - sure, if you're sponsoring it

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Jul 2013 19:24

Mort Walker wrote:
negi wrote:Neekon ko junk bola ? GD ke paas bhi wahi hai.
Their CSCs are not as good as compared to Olympus, Fuji, Sony and Canon. Their SLRs are the finest. Nikon was always a smaller company focused on optics. It is their core business which will keep them steady. If they are looking for big quick profits, they'll be in trouble.

Doesn't change the fact that p&s segment is dying. Aur Mortu Tau, these manufacturers themselves don't consider mirrorless as being part of the p&s segment - they see the writing on the wall, they have to be blind not to anyways.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jul 2013 21:20

^^^Nikon doesn't have a good selection of P&S or CSC (compact system camera) and that is the point I was trying to make. Their small cameras are lacking compared to the other brands and were suffering slow sales before camera phones became the rage. Nikon has the most to gain by jumping into the smart phone camera game. That is why you have people like Vic Gundotra who has already hinted of Nikon doing the camera on future Nexus devices. The other makers of P&S (CSCs) such as Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus and Fujifilm have to get on the ball fast or they will become like the German camera makers of the past. By getting on the ball does not necessarily mean they will be doing smart phones or smart phone cameras.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 09 Jul 2013 22:41

BhairavP wrote:I hab Neekaun too ji! The new D7100 + a 70-200/2.8 VR1 which I got s/h for cheap. Great camera.

Great setup you have. My question is why did you get VRI and not VRII for the 70-200? I guess its OK for an APS-C sensor? What if you get a D800 next year?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Jul 2013 23:04

during the fillum days, nikon I felt had lower noise during clicking than canon. so for wild life fattagraphy nikon would be more suitable, plus excellent quality lenses. my earlier canon a2e has excellent bang for the buck features like eye focus, and what not that i have forgotten totally up, as it is carrying dust since 10 years.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Jul 2013 23:25

Mort Walker wrote:^^^Nikon doesn't have a good selection of P&S or CSC (compact system camera) and that is the point I was trying to make. Their small cameras are lacking compared to the other brands and were suffering slow sales before camera phones became the rage. Nikon has the most to gain by jumping into the smart phone camera game. That is why you have people like Vic Gundotra who has already hinted of Nikon doing the camera on future Nexus devices. The other makers of P&S (CSCs) such as Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus and Fujifilm have to get on the ball fast or they will become like the German camera makers of the past. By getting on the ball does not necessarily mean they will be doing smart phones or smart phone cameras.

The point I am making is the decline of P&S is not limited to Nikon - its an industry wide phenomenon regardless of what enthusiasts think. Nikon might have been hit worse but that doesn't change the overall trend. Folks like Sony, Panasonic are already moving into smartphone camera modules with their collaboration with GB/HTC. Why would they do a smart phone? Their USP is their camera IP so its logical for them to be an OEM for camera modules or perhaps provide some specialty photography services. Otherwise a camera manufacturer doing a smart phone is as useless as Garmin making a smart phone.

Doing cameras on Nexus device is not going to make any difference for any camera module OEM's bottom line or RoI - the market penetration of those devices is too low unless Chacha gets real serious about going vertical.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 10 Jul 2013 00:09

Haamare Pyare wrote:The point I am making is the decline of P&S is not limited to Nikon - its an industry wide phenomenon regardless of what enthusiasts think.

Even before the smart phone camera became the rage from 2008 onward, with the exception of Canon, all of the camera companies or camera divisions of larger companies are hurting since 2005. The smart phone will lead to their demise earlier than estimated or they will have to adapt with newer products that enthusiasts will buy.

Sammy is a phone and camera company. Their NX series is actually pretty good and they'll give the Sony NEX a run for their money. I don't know what Goog and Neekon will do together. Maybe you should get on Vic's blog and ask him?

I thought Garmin-Asus did a phone at one point in time, but quickly discontinued it?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Jul 2013 01:38

what is this name calling neekon? is this bong-ish?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Jul 2013 01:50

What is the low end SLR to by now.
Need before a trip. thanks in advance to good advice.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Jul 2013 01:56

acharya:
http://www.digitalrev.com/article/dslr- ... 4NzMxNDM_A

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 10 Jul 2013 02:31

Acharya wrote:What is the low end SLR to by now.
Need before a trip. thanks in advance to good advice.

Get the Canon SL1 kit. It is on sale in most places in the US now like Sam's Club and Costco. This is the smallest DSLR in the world at present which is easy to work. The kit EF-s STM lenses are good too. Look to spend around $1000 after its all said and done with a couple of lenses, memory cards and bag.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 10 Jul 2013 02:32

SaiK wrote:what is this name calling neekon? is this bong-ish?

Neekon is the way it is actually pronounced.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Jul 2013 03:00

thanks for the correction.. i have to change from my current uttering of "neigh-con"

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jul 2013 03:19

Or Neocon?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 10 Jul 2013 03:34

I think it is closer to Nee-kone is actually more correct. Saying it fast in Japanese may lead to the current pronunciation along with the various world wide English accents.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 10 Jul 2013 04:17

Does anyone know of Any app for BB Torch that can be used for free voice communication like Skype or Vonage.
Unfortunately both these apps don't work with BB Torch and my company has handed my BB Torch.
Any help would be wonderful.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Jul 2013 12:22

Mort Walker wrote: Even before the smart phone camera became the rage from 2008 onward, with the exception of Canon, all of the camera companies or camera divisions of larger companies are hurting since 2005. The smart phone will lead to their demise earlier than estimated or they will have to adapt with newer products that enthusiasts will buy.

Mortu tau, That may be so due to a variety of other reasons but the death blow to the P&S camera segment was due to phunwas with cameras. Vic is not head of Android - he wont be calling shots on HW side of things except pushing some top down requirement on Pichai maharaj.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 10 Jul 2013 13:25

Mort saar - got some other lenses too - Tamron 17-50/2.8, Tamron 28-75/2.8 and the Neekaun.
Will liquidate some older Pentax maal and then looking at getting a 300 f/4 and a good TC.

Not going FF for a while - and even then, the VR1 holds up just fine on FF IMHO.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 10 Jul 2013 20:25

Nikon never had a great marketshare when it comes to pns. If Sony, canon etc start talking about this then its something to take note. To me, it just sounds like mbagiri talk from the nikon folks to explain away their poor performance. But we'll never know about how canon is doing because they never let out any sales/profit metrics ever.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Jul 2013 20:45

Sony already quietly moved out to other pastures ~2 years ago when they saw the same writing on the wall. Its a tough time for the traditional camera guys as their high volume low margin segments are hemorrhaging but the high margin lower volume segments have not picked up the slack. So they are diversifying frantically - expect them to become solution providers in automotive (apart from mobile) as things move forward.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 10 Jul 2013 21:36

Prasad wrote:Nikon never had a great marketshare when it comes to pns. If Sony, canon etc start talking about this then its something to take note. To me, it just sounds like mbagiri talk from the nikon folks to explain away their poor performance. But we'll never know about how canon is doing because they never let out any sales/profit metrics ever.

Here is a rumor about Neekone. Nikon working on a “secret” product (smart phone?)

Canon is still making profits, but they too know the old days of P&S are gone. Everyone is migrating to larger sensors in small bodies. This is something they should have done a few years back, but didn't and will now get kicked in the nuts by Sammy and Apple. What they need to do is peel off 10% of the smart phone users to buy CSCs. It appears Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Fujifilm, and Olympus understand this well. Neekone on the other hand didn't get the memo yet.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 10 Jul 2013 22:10

Raja Bose wrote:Sony already quietly moved out to other pastures ~2 years ago when they saw the same writing on the wall. Its a tough time for the traditional camera guys as their high volume low margin segments are hemorrhaging but the high margin lower volume segments have not picked up the slack. So they are diversifying frantically - expect them to become solution providers in automotive (apart from mobile) as things move forward.

True. But their high price lower volume sections were never expected to pick up the slack. You're not going to have tens of thousands of people running out to buy the 5D3's anyway

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 10 Jul 2013 23:28

BhairavP wrote:Mort saar - got some other lenses too - Tamron 17-50/2.8, Tamron 28-75/2.8 and the Neekaun.
Will liquidate some older Pentax maal and then looking at getting a 300 f/4 and a good TC.

Not going FF for a while - and even then, the VR1 holds up just fine on FF IMHO.

OOh. You're going to be doing wildlife photography! India has lots of opportunity and one needs the time and patience. I am envious. I've been planning a trip to Gir National Park in Guj for some time now.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 11 Jul 2013 01:35

Prasad wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:Sony already quietly moved out to other pastures ~2 years ago when they saw the same writing on the wall. Its a tough time for the traditional camera guys as their high volume low margin segments are hemorrhaging but the high margin lower volume segments have not picked up the slack. So they are diversifying frantically - expect them to become solution providers in automotive (apart from mobile) as things move forward.
True. But their high price lower volume sections were never expected to pick up the slack. You're not going to have tens of thousands of people running out to buy the 5D3's anyway

Hindisight is 20/20 - earlier they thought it would (since margin is higher, volume wouldn't need to be replaced 1:1).