AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 21 Feb 2014 20:56

No one shivered at the mention of English, merely pointed out that your convenient double standards for it while proclaiming to be some proud Telugu. Today Telugu is in a sad state because English is favored to the point that Telugu struggles for space competing with it, higher education is in English & decent Telugu is becoming a rarity. But since you are having an emotional breakdown about Telangana, you need to blame Hindi because that is the soft target. BTW unlike you I don't get infected by Telugu pride selectively, I condemned what those goons did at Tankbund & the attempt to mutilate Telangana Telugu alphabet is beneath contempt.

Speaking of detachment from reality, how much Tenglish do you hear in daily life vs Hindi from Telugu speakers. The most common Telugu words are apparently a matter of shame now. Seen any Telugu actors interviews, how many slip into Hindi vs into English in an ostensibly Telugu nterview. So its clear who is detached from reality, relax and post when you are able to get over your emotions about Telangana.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Feb 2014 21:11

Surasena, I think its better served if you take Tenglish advocacy to the language thread.
Thanks, ramana

While we plan the future of Andhra Pradesh we should not forget the future of Telangana state. The interests of Telugu people lie in prosperity and stability of both states.

yvijay, I would like you to start a thread on development of Telangana state.

Thanks, ramana

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 21 Feb 2014 21:12

at the emotional breakdown. While I am dead serious only.

The assimilation of english is happening also because arabby Hindi interjected in the link joining Telugu to Sanskrit since independence through the status of link language - in fact this bollowoodised Hindi has been blocking other language's natural link to sanskrit and its root sounds to create new words and to evolve newer styles of usage.

Danger of assimilation of words doesn't mean one can run away from English in a globalized world. Learn basic English and use it - no one is asking anyone here for Shakespeare or Keats quoting level of supposed english "credentials".

VenkataS garu,
an example here http://www.andhraheadlines.com/state/te ... 25591.html

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 21 Feb 2014 21:13

VenkataS wrote:Telugu is a Dravidian language and is not derived from Sanskrit, unlike Marathi, Gujurathi, Hindi and Bengali. However Telugu loans a large number of its words from Sanskrit.

Much more than loan words. Telugu grammar is practically the same as Samskrit grammar.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 21 Feb 2014 21:18

ShyamSP wrote: Alternative is to go seperate country and invite funds from other countries - it has geographical location to sell that is worth a lot to US or Russia for example.

Cannot believe the posts coming out of the forum these days. I expected BRFites to be made of sterner stuff but many posters I admire for their post quality, content & expertise have capitulated, weighed down by emotion.

Show some steel, people! The path of the soldier is always a difficult & lonely one. I request all of you to kindly read & understand the Narendra Kohli Mahabharat thread, especially the conversation relating to the nature of Dharma as enunciated by Sri Krishna himself while giving this thread a much needed respite.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Feb 2014 21:24

After the President gives his assent I plan to lock this thread and archive it.

ramana

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Feb 2014 21:31

devesh, yvijay

Heard from a dilli billi observer that what we feared is at the heart of the division. Its massa pressure to create a new green enclave in Deccan to satisfy the Omar Khalidi. How we implement Kampa raya's strategy is the future of the region and not just Telangana.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Feb 2014 22:02

ramana wrote:devesh, yvijay

Heard from a dilli billi observer that what we feared is at the heart of the division. Its massa pressure to create a new green enclave in Deccan to satisfy the Omar Khalidi. How we implement Kampa raya's strategy is the future of the region and not just Telangana.

Exactly the fear that I've been expressing in the last few days!

The Hindutvavadis of Telangana now would have to become more vocal and even more radical, and shoot down any suggestions of doing Nizam-bhakti in Telangana. In fact no Nizam statue should be visible outside Hyderabad old city. Nor should any "professor" come up with doing engineering on Telangana Telugu and trying to make it into a different language than standard Telugu. Nor should there be any attacks on people of SeemaAndhra in Telangana. In fact Telangana Hindus can take it a step further and demand complete ban on cow slaughter in the state.

In all these cases, Telangana Hindutvavadis have to be a radical group, and not like in Karnataka, where Hindus are taking all the Muslim appeasement by the regime there lying down. Keep on pushing MIM ever more into a small ghetto.

Rajagopal · Post by **Rajagopal** » 21 Feb 2014 22:04

The Greatandhra guy usually writes immature stuff. But, there is one article(probably written by some other guy) which gives great hope to Telugu's around the world.

Reproduced below.

The Hindu joined hands with the Muslim, the Christian with the Marwari, the Brahmin with the Dalit, the Kamma with the Kapu, the Reddy with the Raju and so on.

A people hitherto divided along the lines of caste put aside all their differences to fight for the cause of a united Andhra Pradesh.

Walking together hand in hand, they gave it their all and persisted till the final drop and were all set to emerge victorious, but for being backstabbed by their own politicians ultimately.

The intellect of the Seemandhra people is far superior to that of anybody else. It is precisely for this reason that there are so many of them in prominent positions all across the globe.

What was lacking was a common identity or unity among them. Thanks to the Samaikhyandhra movement, the people have now been united in a manner hitherto unprecedented.

They might have lost the battle for a united state for no fault of theirs but they are sure to win the war thanks to their newfound sense of unity and togetherness.

And the objective of the war is to make Seemandhra region, a global hub of development and prosperity.

There is a lot of work to be done and Seemandhra people will never ever make the mistake of putting all their eggs in one basket again.

The challenges ahead call for a contribution from each and every person and the onus is one each individual to make Seemandhra a truly, self-sufficient region which would be the envy of the nation and all idiots who have supposedly fought for their self-respect.

In fact, for Seemandhra, this is the beginning of a new dawn, which would start with weeding out all the traitors who let the people down, on the road to unsurpassed glory and splendor. They made a waste land called Hyderabad an international city. Should they just put their minds and will to the Seemandhra region, the day would probably not be far off when the Jinnah of Andhra Pradesh would start another agitation, this time for a merger.

But we are not going to allow that at any cost, shall we? We have well and truly learnt our lesson.

--> http://www.greatandhra.com/politics/gos ... 54140.html

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Feb 2014 22:14

Because of the loan words and more so because of the grammar Telugu very Sanskrit like. Leave the script out as Sanskrit can be written in any script that has the equivalent letters. English alphabet certainly fails in that respect and to some extent even the reduced Devanagari alphabet currently in use for Hindi.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 21 Feb 2014 22:24

matrimc wrote:Because of the loan words and more so because of the grammar Telugu very Sanskrit like. Leave the script out as Sanskrit can be written in any script that has the equivalent letters. English alphabet certainly fails in that respect and to some extent even the reduced Devanagari alphabet currently in use for Hindi.

Sanskrit books were all published first in Telugu script in India by Nirnaya Sagara Press. Sanskrit books in Devanagari script came much much later. I have a ton of Nirnaya Sagara published Sanskrit books (in Telugu script) at home in India, If anyone deserves a medal, it is these Nirnaya Sagara folks. Goodness knows how many books they have saved for us.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Feb 2014 22:25

Published on Feb 21, 2014
BJP promises to extend special status to Seemandhra for 10 years: PTI

NEW DELHI: Expressing satisfaction at the creation of Telangana, BJP today said it will continue to fight for the concerns of Seemandhra region and promised to extend the Special Category Status to it for 10 years instead of the present five years announced by the government.

BJP leader Venkaiah Naidu questioned the silence of Congress party over not taking up the issue of Telangana creation for years and coming up with a bill in this regard only three months ahead of elections.

"We have no doubt that BJP will come to power. We appeal to people of both the regions. Now, division has become a reality. Let us reconcile to the fact and take advantage of whatever concessions that are given. We know you are not fully satisfied. We will make you satisfied shortly.

He said BJP had proposed to the Prime Minister to extend the concessions to Seemandhra region for 10 years to compensate it for loss of Hyderabad but it was granted for only five years and promised that after coming to power his pary would extend the special status.

"I assure you that we will extend the special category concessions to Seemandhra for 10 years. We will extend the concessions when we will come to power," he said.

The BJP leader from Andhra Pradesh appealed to people of both the regions to maintain peace after bifurcation of the state and assured them of taking care of the interests of both if his party is voted to power.

"In three months, this government will be out...BJP will be coming to power and we will try to do full justice to both the regions of the state...Forget the past and move forward. Seemandhra also has potentiality to become a strong state."

He also said he was a little unhappy that Parliament and the government could not do justice to the Seemandhra region and claimed it was due to BJP pressure that some concessions and package for Seemandhra region could be announced.

He said the BJP "took extra pains" and made meaningful suggestions for the benefit of Seemandhra region and compensate it for the loss of Hyderabad.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 21 Feb 2014 22:27

Klaus wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: Alternative is to go seperate country and invite funds from other countries - it has geographical location to sell that is worth a lot to US or Russia for example.
Cannot believe the posts coming out of the forum these days. I expected BRFites to be made of sterner stuff but many posters I admire for their post quality, content & expertise have capitulated, weighed down by emotion.

Show some steel, people! The path of the soldier is always a difficult & lonely one. I request all of you to kindly read & understand the Narendra Kohli Mahabharat thread, especially the conversation relating to the nature of Dharma as enunciated by Sri Krishna himself while giving this thread a much needed respite.

I'm student of Dharma and as well as teach Dharma in a place nothing to do with India. I don't have to think or act within Indian rules to evaluate political issues. It may shock you if you're India-bound. I see an area I'm from was rejected by Indian government. I'm evaluating what is best for it - it can continue to suffer in India, try to be independent within India or try to be independent from India.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Feb 2014 22:27

Telugu Desam won't fly because TDP opponents would oppose. Telugu Rashtram is not bad or Andhra Desam or Andhra Rashtram (the nation of Andhras) might be even better.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 21 Feb 2014 22:36

matrimc wrote:Telugu Desam won't fly because TDP opponents would oppose. Telugu Rashtram is not bad or Andhra Desam or Andhra Rashtram (the nation of Andhras) might be even better.

Telugunadu (Telugu + Nadu*) is good. I don't think they want to change Telangana (Telugu + Khana) to de-Islamize the word.

At least Telugu is retained in both state names. Andhra without 1/2 Andhra (Telangana) doesn't make sense. Speaking of it Telugu without 1 linga** doesn't make sense either.

** Telugu is the corrupted word from Trilinga (1 linga is in Telanaga, 1 linga in Kosta, 1 linga in Rayalaseema)

* Nadu, Seema, Gadh, Mandalam, Samrajyam, Rastram, Desam are used to refer states/areas in Telugu so they can pick any extension

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 21 Feb 2014 22:39

ShyamSP wrote: I'm student of Dharma and as well as teach Dharma in a place nothing to do with India. I don't have to think or act within Indian rules to evaluate political issues. It may shock you if you're India-bound. I see an area I'm from was rejected by Indian government. I'm evaluating what is best for it - it can continue to suffer in India, try to be independent within India or try to be independent from India.

Calm down mate. There were far worse down times. I will bet the SA will rise big time and that is not in 10 year but way less than that. Economic powerhouse for India. Times are different this time. It is the minds that have to be brought together. There will be a generation change in political space as the population who has the habit of false-idol worship will treat all idols same.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 21 Feb 2014 22:42

ShyamSP wrote:
matrimc wrote:Telugu Desam won't fly because TDP opponents would oppose. Telugu Rashtram is not bad or Andhra Desam or Andhra Rashtram (the nation of Andhras) might be even better.
Telugunadu (Telugu + Nadu) is good. I don't think they want to change Telangana (Telugu + Khana) to de-Islamize the word.

At least Telugu is retained in both state names. Andhra without 1/2 Andhra (Telangana) doesn't make sense. Speaking of it Telugu without 1 linga* doesn't make sense either.

* Telugu is the corrupted word from Trilinga (1 linga is in Telanaga, 1 linga in Kosta, 1 linga in Rayalaseema)

Histories are made is 100s years span. Why to change names of Andhra Pradesh even if it is residual. Let us leave it as it is. There are two agendas other than economic progress for the two states. De-Islamize and stop the Jaganatha ratham of the ROLers.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Feb 2014 22:44

I was pointed out another theory regarding Telugu. gOdAvari's waters are of the color of "taila" (oil - specifically sesame oil) and hence the name is "tailAnga". I will try to dig up the article. As I did not read it at that time I do not have any idea about the supporting arguments for this theory.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 21 Feb 2014 22:44

ShyamSP is not alone i am afraid. The way this whole thing was bifurcated by outsiders has created so much alienation and disgust in sections of people that many stopped calling themselves as Indians. Since few days, my email and Facebook are being bombarded with messages like these and their pages already reached 50k plus likes

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Feb 2014 22:48

Rony wrote:ShayamSP is not alone i am afraid. The way this whole thing was bifurcated by outsiders has created so much alienation and disgust in sections of people that many stopped calling themselves as Indians. Since few days, my email and Facebook are being bombarded with messages like these and their pages already reached 50k plus likes

Fantastic!

So all these ROLers are now going fall upon India and BJP, calling them backstabbers, and prepare SeemaAndhra for independence. As an independent country, it would be even more easy for ROL to digest SeemaAndhra with Baptist Church as State Religion!

All this Overflowing Love for Dharma & Telugu by RoLers is touching!

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 21 Feb 2014 23:08

Muppalla wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: I'm student of Dharma and as well as teach Dharma in a place nothing to do with India. I don't have to think or act within Indian rules to evaluate political issues. It may shock you if you're India-bound. I see an area I'm from was rejected by Indian government. I'm evaluating what is best for it - it can continue to suffer in India, try to be independent within India or try to be independent from India.
Calm down mate. There were far worse down times. I will bet the SA will rise big time and that is not in 10 year but way less than that. Economic powerhouse for India. Times are different this time. It is the minds that have to be brought together. There will be a generation change in political space as the population who has the habit of false-idol worship will treat all idols same.

I'm all calm. Only time I had any agitation in mind on this subject was in 2009. Recently it is all curiosity as to how they would do it, as myself said long time ago that they would bring this towards tail-end before next elections.

Even in political rumor channels, esp., they knew but no one knew how it would come. If you notice, esp TDP., never went against split as they knew the eventuality. They'll have to pick crumbs and move on to working for Telugu political interests. CBN will have to surrender to some other person and retire to Rajyasabha.

INC wanted to split for political advantage. BJP wanted split to shake the psyche. Both succeeded in their own way.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 21 Feb 2014 23:36

ShyamSP wrote:
matrimc wrote:Telugu Desam won't fly because TDP opponents would oppose. Telugu Rashtram is not bad or Andhra Desam or Andhra Rashtram (the nation of Andhras) might be even better.
Telugunadu (Telugu + Nadu*) is good. I don't think they want to change Telangana (Telugu + Khana) to de-Islamize the word.

At least Telugu is retained in both state names. Andhra without 1/2 Andhra (Telangana) doesn't make sense. Speaking of it Telugu without 1 linga** doesn't make sense either.

** Telugu is the corrupted word from Trilinga (1 linga is in Telanaga, 1 linga in Kosta, 1 linga in Rayalaseema)

* Nadu, Seema, Gadh, Mandalam, Samrajyam, Rastram, Desam are used to refer states/areas in Telugu so they can pick any extension

Trilinga Desa

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 21 Feb 2014 23:44

kmkraoind wrote:Whole Kosta is fertile and expensive, so acquiring land either in Vizag is not cheap, so I wish:

1. Make Rajamahendravaram (Rajamundry) as administrative capital with assembly with twin HC benches and twin secretariats at Rajamundry and Kurnool.
2. Make Vizag, Vijayawada-Guntur, Nellore, Tirupathi and Kurnool as educational hubs with universities, premium educational institutes like AIIMS, IIT and IIMs. If SA or residual AP takes CBSE as syllabus, it can attract students from all over India. If possible SA should enter PMT, after this I bet all medical colleges will have 8-12% SA folk.
3. Make Vizag, Vijayawada and Tirupathi as health cities with promise of 25 acres of free land to any hospital who can establish a 500-1000 bed hospital.
3. Convert Nellore and Hindupur as satellite cities to Chennai and Bangalore.

Lilo wrote:Anyway long decades of misery lie ahead for "us" when above realignments play out their chaos. Yet ultimately "we" enterprising people of SA have to persist in doing what "we" do best - ie work smart , work hard use our linkages among ourselves and with "outsiders" to the hilt - this time taking full care that our enterprise (be it in pharma, education,agri business,Trade,Health care,petrochemical,real estate,transport,tourism and what not ) is adequately safeguarded backed by locational advantages and political dominance in our own backyards."We" must grow in power to beat back and teach lasting lessons when future attempts by those whose appetite would have been surely whetted by their smash and grab of the previous state and its wealthy capital and who would surely attempt to do it again in a few decades playing up internal dissimilarities among "us" in Seema and Kosta and uttara kosta.

Regarding capital,
I would prefer a distributed approach with ther capital functions scattered in two or more cities like in South Africa , Israel or Taiwan.
South Africa
Pretoria Administrative and Executive capital
Cape Town Legislative capital
Bloemfontein Judicial capital

Israel
Jerusalem Official capital
Tel aviv De facto seat of government

Taiwan
Nanking Official capital
Taipei De facto seat of government
Kurnool , Tirupati and Visakhapatnam should be the cities , if I am in a position to choose. Twin cities of Vijayavada-Guntur will continue to retain their defacto financial capital status with no additional official designation.

Based on KMKRao's & Lilo's posts, I summarized it and added a few of my own. Any suggestions/improvements?

Name: Andhra
Ongole: Administrative capital (A.P. legislature, secretariat, domestic airport)
Visakha: Information technology, AU Engg college upgraded to IIT, land for film studios & corporate hospitals, airport upgraded to Intl airport
Vijayawada: business/commercial hub
Guntur: Guntur Institute of Medical Sciences upgraded to AIIMS
Nellore: Pharma industry, land for corporate hospitals
Chittoor/Tirupati: Developed as satellite town of Chennai
Hindupur: Developed as satellite town of Bengaluru
Kurnool: A.P. High Court, IIM
Kadapa: Nuclear power station

4 lane all weather roads [2 lanes north bound & 2 lanes south bound] to connect all district HQs from Kurnool to Srikakulam

Can we post this list on NaMo's website? Since VN said that BJP/NaMo will organize a few rallies in rAP, may be can make a few suggestions?

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 21 Feb 2014 23:48

ramana wrote:Surasena, I think its better served if you take Tenglish advocacy to the language thread.
Thanks, ramana

While we plan the future of Andhra Pradesh we should not forget the future of Telangana state. The interests of Telugu people lie in prosperity and stability of both states.

yvijay, I would like you to start a thread on development of Telangana state.

Thanks, ramana

Good idea ramana garu . By the way, Jaipal Reddy seems to have emerged as the consensus candidate if Dalit CM is requirement is not there. I think some other poster already said this.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 21 Feb 2014 23:52

What about Vizag to Kakinada petro corridor being built. All the districts from Nellore to Srikakulam are connected with four lane highway and some places six lane free way. Entire state is on a fast lane train network being on Howrah to Chennai line. The capital city should be either Vizag (if you want big) or Kurnool if you want to adopt Gandhinagar model. Any political of civic setup around Vijayawada and Guntur should be avoided. But it may go that way.

Proposal of Kakinada as Capital is also making rounds.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Feb 2014 23:53

Any one notice the shape of the map of Andhra Pardesh? Its like a pistol or tupaki!

I think eventually Andhra Pradesh will do all right. The goal I have is to strengthen the Telugus in Telangana and get even more prosperous and self confident.

yvijay, I was the poster. During X-mas break a prominent Reddy family from Telanagana visited us and during discussion this came about. I told them in no uncertain terms Jaipal Reddy's OU student days idiocy. They said need to have him as a rallying point as he has Central experience and was PVNR's mentee. Also has good background.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Feb 2014 23:56

RajeshA, Let Jagan win but more important Modi wins overall. There are ways to rein him in. danger is Jagan wins and Congress manages to prevent Modi govt inn Delhi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Feb 2014 23:59

yvijay,
Unlike what Naidu hopes its important that TRS does not join Congress for that will doom Telangana. TRS fought for it, took a lot of heat for it and they should be allowed to have an independent identity. Submerging into Congress will defeat the purpose of the fight.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 21 Feb 2014 23:59

Paul wrote: All the heavy lifting during the communal riots was done by the Telangana folks. For instance go to the top of Golconda fort. There was a very small temple there in the 80s. I went there in 2004 and the temple has expanded many times over. They are the ones holding the orcs at bay and they should get their credit. The Nizam thing is just cheap talk and will go away in no time.

Our family visited Golconda Fort in August 2013. I was pleasantly surprised to see the rich paint and nice atmosphere of that devi temple. Unfortunately it was closed when we went. But the fresh breeze, shady trees and rock settings made that small temple very appealing. I remember the paint on the rock being vivid, must have received fresh coat.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 Feb 2014 00:01

ramana wrote:RajeshA, Let Jagan win but more important Modi wins overall. There are ways to rein him in. danger is Jagan wins and Congress manages to prevent Modi govt inn Delhi.

ramana garu, For Modi purposes who wins AP is not important at all. Jagan can be jailed and cobble his junk into whatever we want. It is Telangana that needs focus. BJP has given a positive message as being still with Telangana. There should be background work to stop TRS+INC merger. Coalition of INC and TRS is okay. TRS should not be allowed to yield more to INC as it has the momentum. Whatever SA folks may think for Telangana it is still important to have TDP+BJP alliance for now as to not split votes.

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 22 Feb 2014 00:07

ramana wrote:devesh, yvijay

Heard from a dilli billi observer that what we feared is at the heart of the division. Its massa pressure to create a new green enclave in Deccan to satisfy the Omar Khalidi. How we implement Kampa raya's strategy is the future of the region and not just Telangana.

IMHO I don't think so. The reason for this is their influence doesn't extend outside Hyderabad. They are mainly concentrated in Hyd and some in district headquarters. Outside them, especially in villages they are negligible. It's not like in UP or Bihar or W.Bengal or Kerala, where they are also in villages and so have numbers. So I'm highly skeptical about their ability to form green enclave in Telangana. Even in Hyderabad, due to lot of people migrating in to the city, their number and hence their influence not as there before. If not for YSR licking MIM and giving them free hand, their influence would have eroded lot more.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 22 Feb 2014 00:10

ramana wrote:Any one notice the shape of the map of Andhra Pardesh? Its like a pistol or tupaki!
.

Many are thinking it is certain body part in excited state.

In Telugu street language expression "putting that part in hand" meaning "ruining" is apt and is what happened here.

Mahesh_R · Post by **Mahesh_R** » 22 Feb 2014 00:12

Rajagopal wrote:.......the day would probably not be far off when the Jinnah of Andhra Pradesh would start another agitation, this time for a merger.....l

Just curious ... Does out constitution has a clause to merge any two states based on the BILL passed in LS and RS ????
This is not related to AP but wanted to know if it's possible ...

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 22 Feb 2014 00:17

Muppalla wrote:
ShyamSP wrote: I'm student of Dharma and as well as teach Dharma in a place nothing to do with India. I don't have to think or act within Indian rules to evaluate political issues. It may shock you if you're India-bound. I see an area I'm from was rejected by Indian government. I'm evaluating what is best for it - it can continue to suffer in India, try to be independent within India or try to be independent from India.
Calm down mate. There were far worse down times. I will bet the SA will rise big time and that is not in 10 year but way less than that. Economic powerhouse for India. Times are different this time. It is the minds that have to be brought together. There will be a generation change in political space as the population who has the habit of false-idol worship will treat all idols same.

Quite right Saar. An opportunity to chalk it's own course. To expect they can do by being an independent country is laughable. Clean slate....just bring a good NaMo esque guy in, the Telangana guys will want to move to SA.

I expect such things from Viderbha when Maharashtra will be divided in the not so foreseeable future.

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 22 Feb 2014 00:28

Mahesh_R wrote:
Rajagopal wrote:.......the day would probably not be far off when the Jinnah of Andhra Pradesh would start another agitation, this time for a merger.....l
Just curious ... Does out constitution has a clause to merge any two states based on the BILL passed in LS and RS ????
This is not related to AP but wanted to know if it's possible ...

Yes, any reconfiguration is possible. The state assemblies can pass resolutions, and while they may have some moral force, it is not binding on Parliament. Any reconfiguration of the administrative units within the country is possible by a simple law being passed by the LS and RS after non-binding references to the relevant state assemblies.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 22 Feb 2014 00:28

I have no doubt about Sushma efforts to derail NM in AP but that train has passed. As for as lingo goes efforts are on to remove evil Andra letters (some 31 letter of the alfhabets like Am, aha etc) are to be removed from approved Telangana language.
By the way Telugu grammer was written in 11th centuray from nannayya - Andra Shabdha Chitnamani. Unfortunately he is a evil andra fellow. Of course the greatest work in telugu - Srimad Andra Bhagavatham of Potana may have to change its name now.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 22 Feb 2014 00:42

matrimc wrote:Telugu Desam won't fly because TDP opponents would oppose. Telugu Rashtram is not bad or Andhra Desam or Andhra Rashtram (the nation of Andhras) might be even better.

Matrimc garu,
TDP can change its name .
Btw you can still refer to "us" as Kottha AP as you used to do (interestingly) , remembered by me onlee because of an interesting vignette in a post from that past.

matrimc wrote: Both highway and rail networks are far smaller (when normalized) in telangANa than kottha AP. Lilo was proposing more rail in kothha AP. Au contraire, their development in T has to be taken up urgently if the center wants T's support.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1489731

LakshO wrote:4 lane all weather roads [2 lanes north bound & 2 lanes south bound] to connect all district HQs from Kurnool to Srikakulam

Can we post this list on NaMo's website? Since VN said that BJP/NaMo will organize a few rallies in rAP, may be can make a few suggestions?

LakshO garu,
The fait accompli method of rump state creation was specifically resorted to because central parties wanted to dangle their packages with a firm upper hand (not with a PhD) on the optionless Telugus post facto. This was all gamed with the confidence that they can make up the requisite numbers for the next central govt just with the core support in the Hindi heartland of UP and Bihar. So no issues in screwing up a backwater region because they don't matter now (not fair according to Raj Dharma joo say? Raj Dharma !! stuff it where it doesn't shine they say) - and as many reputable members regularly pointed out "we" deserved it.

Further whenever "we" ask for anything that is not considered deserving of us by "them",
otherwise regulalrly wellwishing people have the habit of interjecting to claim that "they" don't deserve any package,or that if you give "them" roads we will not support you. Hatred borne out of jealousy is a strange beast actually.Ask Nitish Kumar.

Therefore "we" must not plead or beg the center to do by us what is right, as it will be seen as a sign of weakness and will only give them pleasure to trample us further, but rather gain power to reach a position to "take" anything that can be taken and then show if "we" really take what we don't deserve.

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 22 Feb 2014 00:48

ramana wrote:yvijay,
Unlike what Naidu hopes its important that TRS does not join Congress for that will doom Telangana. TRS fought for it, took a lot of heat for it and they should be allowed to have an independent identity. Submerging into Congress will defeat the purpose of the fight.

I saw a recent interview of K Taraka Rama Rao (KTR) son of KCR and he said, if it's up to him, he's not willing to merge TRS in to Congress. I don't know what KCR or other TRS people are thinking. But I would not be surprised even if they merge. There's seems to be no antipathy from people towards the merger.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Feb 2014 00:54

SwamyG wrote:Our family visited Golconda Fort in August 2013.

Did you visit the cell where Bhakta Ramadasu (born Kancherla Gopanna) was incarcerated? He made line drawings of Hanumantha and others from Ramayana with a rock on the walls.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Feb 2014 01:22

Lilo garu: At this point I do not want to rake any of the old issues. I am not into triumphalism. Regarding the extent and quality of train and road network, I request you to go through the data at your convenience once more. I am very hopeful that you will change your mind.

All T got is Hyderabad. As long as commoners are not forced to leave why should they not hitch their bogey to T train pulled by Hyderabad? A few more engines - Warangal and Nizamabad - may be added in the future (hopefully near future).