Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Deans wrote:
yogeshkumar wrote:
That is not correct. What Macron said to Putin was that - there are no "imminent" plans to invite Ukraine to Nato. Putin addressed this in his official speech. This is what Putin said: "They say Ukraine is not going to be part of Nato anytime soon... not tomorrow. But what about after tomorrow? "

Russia had presented very reasonable demands to US/Nato in December to address Russia's security concerns. But US/Nato firmly rejected those demands.
That's true. the UK foreign secy, German Chancellor and Macron were unable to assure him of what he had been asking for.
- Minsk 2
- No NATO membership for Ukraine, ever (not no membership in the immediate future)
I don't think it was therefore possible for Putin to even raise the issue of Crimea.

The NATO membership has to be seen in the context of Ukraine signing an enhanced partnership agreement with NATO in 2020. That's when all the
AGTM's and MANPADS started coming in. It was seen as a step towards full membership.
The part where NATO was training Ukraine was taken out today. IPSC [International Peacekeeping and security center] which pretty much is where all the NATO trainers were based in Jan even though it has a benign name.

Statement from Russian MOD
The Ministry of Defense of Russia - on the morning of March 13, high-precision weapons struck at the training centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Starichi and at the Yavorivsky military training ground. At these facilities, the Kiev regime deployed: a point of training and combat coordination of foreign mercenaries before sending them to the areas of combat operations against Russian servicemen, as well as a storage base for weapons and military equipment coming from foreign countries. As a result of the strike, up to 180 foreign mercenaries and a large consignment of foreign weapons were destroyed.

Video : Deans you prolly understand the Ukranian a little bit
https://twitter.com/attilaXT/status/1503091421888544769
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srikandan wrote:Allowing citizens dual-nationality is a bad idea, given as to how most of the Ukrainian politicians have american citizenship. This is how regime changes are done "organically" it seems.
It was indeed similar in Georgia. Saakashvili was a US-trained guy. After the Russians defeated Georgia and he was kicked out in the elections, this guy moved to Pakraine, became a citizen there, also was appointed governor of Odessa by Zelenskyy. Recently he re-entered Georgia illegally and is in the slammer. Resorts to "hunger strikes" frequently to get attention.
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https://uscnpm.org/2022/03/12/hu-wei-ru ... na-choice/

Guys help me understand this "analysis"

So China by kicking out Putin helps itself and then the west who will then concentrate on China ?
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kit wrote:https://uscnpm.org/2022/03/12/hu-wei-ru ... na-choice/

Guys help me understand this "analysis"

So China by kicking out Putin helps itself and then the west who will then concentrate on China ?
Author of this piece (and that site as well).. seem to be biased towards US. If you look at other articles on that web site.. they all seem to be asking to tilt towards US's position. here is another:
https://uscnpm.org/2021/12/08/democracy ... tten-past/

Now as for how China would handle this - I don't know. If I were China, I would go all-in to support Russia now. A weakened Russia is of very little use to China. A stronger Russia, on the other hand, will provide a much stronger counter-weight against West when West comes after China. Which is not too far off.

You have to realize how US/UK cabal attack their opponents. Its divide and rule. And one country at a time.
- Yugoslavia
- Iraq
- Iran
- Libya
- Syria
- Venezuela
- Russia
- China (is next).

But key is - notice how they gang-up against "one country" at a time?
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dnivas wrote:
You are just making up stuff now. That was not what Macron agreed during negotiations. Russia would never go with another Verbal commitment and NATO was not going to sign a document regarding Ukraine / Georgia. Find me an article before Feb 24, that says NATO was willing to sign a document
AlJazerra has some information on this I know the details of meeting where discussed in MeetThePress in the following week, I will try to see if I grab a recording.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022 ... r-in-chief
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Thanks for the response, but I do not see where Russia's demands from 1997/2004/2008/2014 and 2017 or finally Dec 2021 are met.

There is no talk about NATO agreeing to sign an agreement, that would disbar Ukr and Georgia from ever joining to NATO or ensuring Ukr would adhere to Minsk agreement that they already agreed to adhere since 2014 but have not moved even 1% on it.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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dnivas wrote:US ex spec force reporter based in Ukr interviewed someone from the frontlines [Kyiv]

Note by the reporter :
"An important note: this American is a special ops veteran who completed combat deployments to Afghanistan. He came to Ukraine before Russia's full-scale war on Feb. 24. He is an experienced, well-trained soldier who gave up his lucrative career in the US in order to help Ukraine"

https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/150300435 :roll: 1975075845
Fighting a modern army that is not a ragtag talibunny..he got what he deserved. What did he expect btw
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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The people pushing for WW3 sitting in far away lands needs a dose of reality. These bufoons run to protect Ukr's borders but cant protect their own. a few tsar bombas up their musharaaf would bring some peace for the next 10 years.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Videos emerge of Russian forces breaking through static front of Izyum. The town was taking over pretty fast but the southern most part held fast for the past few days. Video emerge of Russian armor and forces breaking out of the stalemate

Location of Izyum
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Izyum ... 37.2665006

Once the forces wipe out the ukr forces there, the cauldron over the 60K [Ukr troops still on eastern front gets even dire since another avenue of supplies coming in will be closed.

Also these forces can now link up with forces in the Mariupol area

So summary so far
LNR/DNR have locked in the most well equipped Uk forces all the way on the eastern front. These Ukr forces are well entrenched with the best training and motivation.

Mariupol is kinda surrounded but Azov holds the town and they will all be exterminated. slow process on account of civilians

Kiev is 3/4 surrounded. Southwest Keiv is still supplied. some reserves from western Ukr were sent yesterday and one group was obliterated on the way.

Kharkov, Sumy are all surrounded and troops are in holding position

More troops are coming in from Middle east as well as another 12K from Chechnya
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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yogeshkumar wrote:
kit wrote:https://uscnpm.org/2022/03/12/hu-wei-ru ... na-choice/

Guys help me understand this "analysis"

So China by kicking out Putin helps itself and then the west who will then concentrate on China ?
Author of this piece (and that site as well).. seem to be biased towards US. If you look at other articles on that web site.. they all seem to be asking to tilt towards US's position. here is another:
https://uscnpm.org/2021/12/08/democracy ... tten-past/

Now as for how China would handle this - I don't know. If I were China, I would go all-in to support Russia now. A weakened Russia is of very little use to China. A stronger Russia, on the other hand, will provide a much stronger counter-weight against West when West comes after China. Which is not too far off.

You have to realize how US/UK cabal attack their opponents. Its divide and rule. And one country at a time.
- Yugoslavia
- Iraq
- Iran
- Libya
- Syria
- Venezuela
- Russia
- China (is next).

But key is - notice how they gang-up against "one country" at a time?

That's true except its not really ganging up..the deep state plans and orders and others follow starting from the poodle across the Atlantic..

But i would closely look at how China is acting .. it gives an indication of how things will play out in future. Is china's balls in western hands or are they really "powerful" as it seems or acts..?

Also looks like Putin's intelligence chiefs were not so intelligent in advising him..most of them are under arrest

Putin will likely use some unusual measures
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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dnivas wrote:Thanks for the response, but I do not see where Russia's demands from 1997/2004/2008/2014 and 2017 or finally Dec 2021 are met.

There is no talk about NATO agreeing to sign an agreement, that would disbar Ukr and Georgia from ever joining to NATO or ensuring Ukr would adhere to Minsk agreement that they already agreed to adhere since 2014 but have not moved even 1% on it.
It was supposed to be a Helsinki Accords 2.0 which was supposed to outline all that guarantee they won’t join along with guarantees Russia won’t attack, latter was harder to enforce since what would stop the insurgents in two provinces from attacking. Macron envisioned those will be hammered out in the new Accords.
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yogeshkumar wrote: You have to realize how US/UK cabal attack their opponents. Its divide and rule. And one country at a time.
- Yugoslavia
- Iraq
- Iran
- Libya
- Syria
- Venezuela
- Russia
- China (is next).

But key is - notice how they gang-up against "one country" at a time?
Countries such Iraq, Iran, Libya, Venezuela are really about Oil resources. Saddam Hussein was bumped of as soon as he declared that he would take currency other than the dollar for his Oil. Libya has oil and another resource which no seems to pay attention - underground water. The Nile river basin created a vast underground reservoir of water encompassing libya, chad, egypt and sudan. All nations are part of a desert and water resource is important. Russia too has oil and other rare earths and rare metals (14% supply to the world). Yugoslavia was broken up with the Bosnia piece having rare earth, which Bill Clinton helped secure. I am not sure about China. US is tangled quite deeply with China. The game with China is a long one and the US would like to bring China into the fold like they have Japan now. In the long game India plays a part for the US and after its usage India will be swallowed too. The US Deep State is f'ing insidious, ruthless with a singular bent of mind. They have the propagandu arm well oiled and the poodles disciplined well who all would fall in line at the flick of the wrist.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Kit
news abt the Russian intel could all be smoke and mirrors. Except for the Russian Invasion , nothing else in the western media turned out to be true.

regarding China, the US congress and the presidency is truly compromised by CCP intelligence. what was that video from that senior CCP official regarding how they now have a direct line to the top of the US government now that Biden is president.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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John wrote:
dnivas wrote:Thanks for the response, but I do not see where Russia's demands from 1997/2004/2008/2014 and 2017 or finally Dec 2021 are met.

There is no talk about NATO agreeing to sign an agreement, that would disbar Ukr and Georgia from ever joining to NATO or ensuring Ukr would adhere to Minsk agreement that they already agreed to adhere since 2014 but have not moved even 1% on it.
It was supposed to be a Helsinki Accords 2.0 which was supposed to outline all that guarantee they won’t join along with guarantees Russia won’t attack, latter was harder to enforce since what would stop the insurgents in two provinces from attacking. Macron envisioned those will be hammered out in the new Accords.
if Misnk accords which was agreed by Germany, France and Ukr and DNR/LPR was not implemented what chance does a newer name accord do to keep peace. I mean what is the new Helsinki accord going to guarantee that's not already guaranteed by Mink by the same EXACT countries??? Can you explain that part?

Again you are going into there could have been a Helsinki accords. This is what you posted previously. None of that is true. macron can negotiate all he wants but until NATO signs no entry to Ukr there is no way forward.
That's actually worse than pre invasion deal that Macron was negotiating it included all that and even got Ukr to go along with it, it also included some recog for two eastern provinces as well.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Fake about Russian airstrike in Mariupol.

“A fake about “a Russian air strike on a maternity hospital in Mariupol, where women, children and doctors remained” spread through the Western media and social networks.

In fact, the “pregnant footage” was staged, according to the warfakes channel.

As the Ukrainian users themselves noticed, the girls filmed in the ruins were played by the same beauty blogger - Marianna Podgurskaya. She is dressed up in various shots.

She could not be in the maternity hospital at the time of the strike - according to local residents, the medical facility was recently evacuated and used by Azov nationalists as a fortified facility.

In the video published from inside the building, there are no people, no traces of blood - only shards of glass and destroyed walls.

Staged photos of the "victim" got into The Times, Daily Express and other publications"

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The US Deep State is not going to listen to France or Macron (AUKUS clearly spells that out). France can make all the noise that they want but no one is actually listening to them.
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Breaking update. Donetsk defensive line breached.

The line that was stalemated for a long long time has now been breached between the following towns Blahodatne, Volodymyrivka, Mykilske and Pavlivka

this means that resupply to the 2 remaining wings of the Donestk defensive front of Ukr is now cut in 2.
check for more details and battle map.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5joluYO-Sw
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OT but this topic has most Indians, Chinese and even the porkis on same page !
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kit wrote:OT but this topic has most Indians, Chinese and even the porkis on same page !
Agree but we have some mentally colonised Indians battling for the demise of a India ally and that's been disappointing to watch over the past 10 days. rah Rah USA and slow, dumb Russians seem to have permeated through their brains.

If Kargil was going on, they would have been like , OMG look at these slow dumb indians , why are they taking so long to kick the pakis off the mountains.
or
Look at the way the Indian tank was stuck in the mud and taken off by a RPG, how cool. Look how their soldiers scatter to the sides, definitely bad training. India gonna lose..
or
Omg look how indian soldiers gear has scooter helmets and they use hockey pads to protect their knees.. how quaint and india gonna lose

That would have been similar to what has been going on in the thread so far.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Ukrainian forces use empty hospitals, m wards etc as their positions. For example USSR era schools have REALLY sturdy basements. Also its a good media picture, “Russia bomb schools for no reason". You do realise that that there is no children or classes in school in the middle if military conflict?

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UK Defense Ministry intelligence says that Russia's navy has established a 'distant blockade of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast' that has isolated Ukraine from international maritime trade https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/stat ... KBUe98aLhA
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https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018 ... otten-roma

The C14 affair
It all began in April 2018 (on a day that many members of the far-right still mark as Hitler’s birthday) when a neo-Nazi group calling itself C14 launched a violent assault on a temporary Roma camp in a park in Kiev.

Mobile phone footage showing women and children fleeing the attackers soon went viral on the internet.

Lesia Kharchenko, from Amnesty International, tracked the tweets that followed, “Roma people were just taken out of their homes and they had to run away. They were attacked by a group of young people who had gas sprays and other things, but because nobody had died at that time, there was not a lot of reaction from the state and then there were other attacks.”

The C14 affair and the apparent impunity of those responsible inspired other neo-Nazi groups and, before long, a vicious wave of anti-Roma raids began to sweep across the country.

Most of Ukraine’s estimated 250,000 Roma are fully integrated into mainstream society but many still endure shocking levels of poverty, particularly in the Transcarpathia region, 800 kilometres south-west of the capital, where the inhabitants of most Roma settlements speak Hungarian.

It is from within these communities that small groups of families migrate to Ukraine’s more prosperous cities in search of seasonal work, setting up temporary camps and sending money home, just as their parents and grandparents have done before them. But in the current climate, such people have become targets of ultra-right paramilitaries – attacks usually justified in typically contemptuous terms.
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A Roma settlement in Berehove, Ukraine [Al Jazeera]
A Ukrainian parliamentarian, Iryna Suslova, has tried to agitate for change and action on their behalf but admits it’s an uphill struggle.

“If they have no documents they won’t get [an] education. They can’t get medical help. They can’t get hired. So, they have no resources to live a normal way of life.”

Unsurprisingly, there is much sickness here and life expectancy is considerably lower than elsewhere in Ukraine. According to Olena Rovza, the community’s nurse (in effect the sole health provider for seven thousand inhabitants), “children and adults often suffer from cold-related diseases and tuberculosis.”

Small wonder then, that so many from here want to migrate to the suburbs of Kyiv, Odessa and Lviv, albeit on a temporary basis, to earn a little money – or even to beg if they have no other choice.
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Why is the Ukrainian civilian resistance against Russian invaders called a militia but the Iraqi civilian resistance against American invaders is called an insurgency?

Different races! One is a noble white race. The other is viewed as a savage sub-human race.

Another race of sub-humans that had the temerity to defy the United States juggernaut. South Vietnamese women and children in Mỹ Lai, South Vietnam before being killed in the massacre, 16 March 1968 committed by soldiers of the 23rd Infantry Division, US Army. According to court testimony, they were killed seconds after the photo was taken. The woman on the right is adjusting her blouse buttons following an attempted sexual assault that happened before the massacre.

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according to US officials Russia has asked China to help militarily https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/us/p ... raine.html
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More than 5,000 Ukrainian soldiers were deployed by #Ukraine in the invasion of Iraq.
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Another Video from one of the Brazilian veteran who went to Ukraine. He is already back in Poland after yesterdays strike.

https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/ ... 0423906304

If anyone knows Portuguese , can make more sense. but comments indicate that the entire foreign legion was wiped out as they were sleeping
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IndraD wrote:according to US officials Russia has asked China to help militarily https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/us/p ... raine.html
This would indeed be of keen interest to India as well !!
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Attentive people mentioned a problem w/ today’s video of Zelenskiy visiting a hospital. There is physician Inna Derusova in the video, but she is dead since Feb, 26. Ukr media reported that she died on February 26. Zelenskiy awarded her the title of Hero of Ukraine posthumously

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kit wrote:
IndraD wrote:according to US officials Russia has asked China to help militarily https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/us/p ... raine.html
This would indeed be of keen interest to India as well !!
This may be a test by putin to see the commitment of China. :rotfl:
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Even for seasoned social media followers, the amount of fake news that this war has generated is amazing. It is difficult to believe that the UKR social media offensive is spontaneous and organic; instead this has all the hallmarks of a psychological warfare operation that the West has been training for. What is a surprise is the extent to which Western companies have followed the agenda…

I have zero confidence that the Indian public will be able to withstand a similar level of information warfare if India were to be subjected to it.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Wheever I see a moron who has a Ukr flag and talk about civ suffering I ask them why not have a Iraqi, Libyan, or a Syrian or even an Yemeni flag and they cannot respond. It's like the whole world is in the thrall of some sort of mass psychosis. UN today claimed that there have been about 550 civs killed. That kinda throughput is a days work for the US or NATO bombing runs.
But the amount of one sided propaganda is just immense and mind numbing. Trump/ covid and now Russia has just made everyone woozy.
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kit wrote:OT but this topic has most Indians, Chinese and even the porkis on same page !
Yes there are 3 things going on in parallel.
China - China needs Russia to win this war, otherwise China will be left alone when US/UK/Nato cabal goes onto its next regime change target in China.

Pakistan - is just going to follow the lead of China. Blindly. Plus Pakistan (at least some in Pakistan if not all) has now realized that US/Nato will use any country like a rag to achieve their own goals.

India - we have to remember, Russia has always stood by India in last 50-60 years. Whether it was 1971 war, Kargil war.. or several attacks in UN by US/Pakistan. And at this time, US needs India more than India needs US. Lets not forget - US deep state (CIA, State dept et al), UK/MI6 are really mean/corrupt/criminal people. They will "Use India" and then throw them to lion when their regime change goal in China is accomplished. You doubt US can ever do that to India? You only have to see what they did to Trump, impeached him twice.. and that is when close to half of US population supported Trump.

India should do what is in interest of Indian population, farmers, our factory workers. India should buy cheap oil, metals, natural gas, fertilizers from Russia.. and pay Russia in INR. Russia will be more than happy to trade stuff with India in Rupee/Ruble. Keep hit to our society as low as possible. If US dares to sanction India.. we should dare to sanction them back. Remember.. until US does a regime change in China, US needs India more than we need them.
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This was originally a meme on Jesus.

I guess it's not really funny-I had difficulty sleeping after watching the Russians' inevitable response to Zelinsky's obstinacy.

Major General G. D. Bakshi put it starkly- NATO egged on Ukraine to fight and disappeared before the beating.
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yogeshkumar wrote:....Remember.. until US does a regime change in China, US needs India more than we need them.
Imo Chinis have long crossed the threshold where anyone could "regime-change" them. It just won't happen.

And US doesn't really need India either. We're a very very small regional player. Allying with Russia would be pretty stupid for us imo, especially at our stage of development.
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Regime change has already happened and once in China. 1989 China closed down and became more authoritarian.

The Soviet Union was ended. China can be ended also.

India is not that small. But it needs to be much bigger. Peoples’expectations have increased since 2014. They have begun to dream.

GDP in dollars is somewhat misleading. Even Ukraine, supposedly the poorest country in Europe shows very much as a European country in terms of infrastructure and standard of living. Actually perhaps more egalitarian than Britain in terms of unequal wealth distribution.

You can expect India to double its nuclear warheads and triple its delivery systems as a result of Ukraine. In ten years it will have a nominal GDP of $10 trillion. And much higher PPP. India will be a radically different place.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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m_saini wrote:
yogeshkumar wrote:....Remember.. until US does a regime change in China, US needs India more than we need them.
Imo Chinis have long crossed the threshold where anyone could "regime-change" them. It just won't happen.

And US doesn't really need India either. We're a very very small regional player. Allying with Russia would be pretty stupid for us imo, especially at our stage of development.
Then you haven't really noticed US' mode of operation against a heavy weight country, like China. US will be egging India to fight China. US will (or will want to) fight China .. with Indian army. Like they are doing in Ukraine. US is fighting Russia.. but with Ukrainian army.

BTW - India is not a small player. India has 1.3 Billion people. People are the real asset in this day and age.And if India can't stay independent now.. then India never will. We need to say big FU to these NATO sanctions.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by Mort Walker »

dnivas wrote:Wheever I see a moron who has a Ukr flag and talk about civ suffering I ask them why not have a Iraqi, Libyan, or a Syrian or even an Yemeni flag and they cannot respond. It's like the whole world is in the thrall of some sort of mass psychosis. UN today claimed that there have been about 550 civs killed. That kinda throughput is a days work for the US or NATO bombing runs.
But the amount of one sided propaganda is just immense and mind numbing. Trump/ covid and now Russia has just made everyone woozy.
The real reason is that these are white European Christians where the media has put a human face on them. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen and west Africa have been dehumanized.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Aaand what will become of the Joshua project if christians are found to be killing christians.


I can hear it in panjabi now ’pajo’ (run).
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Who will investigate the war crimes of the US and the UK in eyraq, syria and other countries

BTW, this is exactly what the tighty whiteys are doing to srilanka which is being harassed for many years after they wiped out the ltte and its boss



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