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@AltafHussain_90 explaining the Plight of Hindu Girls in Pakistan & How Sindhi Landlords in Cahoots with Pakistan Army abducts Hindu Girls & Forcibly Convert them to Islam. He also Appeals to Indian Muslims not to do anything against India & Pray for Mohajirs.

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Marathi media is saying only 35 MLAs attended the NCP meeting. Others were MLCs.

See how Mr. @rahulkanwal Treats and Meets.


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sanjayc wrote:Ajit Pawar has been removed as NCP Legislative Party leader

Katare wrote: Max Muller’s work that I have read comes out as one of the most pro Hindu/India work ever written.

NOVEMBER 23, 2019

For the past fortnight, students of the Dharma Vigyan Department have been protesting against the appointment of a Muslim professor in SVDV. It seems their protest has been paid heed to. Dr Firoz Khan has now applied to the Ayurveda Department of BHU. His interview is set to be held on the 29th of November 2019.

chetak wrote:

sanjayc wrote:Ajit Pawar has been removed as NCP Legislative Party leader

How can he be "removed" and by whom.

He was voted in by a majority of the NCP legislators and has to be voted out by them, no

He has the power to issue a whip as the NCP Legislative Party leader.

If his whip is not followed, the MLAs not following can be disqualified

Where is the confirmed news that he has been sacked as the NCP Legislative Party leader.

or is the process different from what I have understood.

Happy to be corrected.

NCP sacks Ajit Pawar as legislature unit leader, says he can't issue whip

The NCP on Saturday evening removed Ajit Pawar as the party's legislature unit leader after he joined hands with the BJP and took oath as the deputy chief minister of Maharashtra.

Ajit Pawar's actions defied the party's policies, said a resolution passed at the legislature wing's meeting here, attended by party supremo Sharad Pawar.

State NCP chief Jayant Patil will have all the constitutional rights till the next legislature party leader is elected, it said.

The meeting, convened by Pawar after the dramatic developments of the morning, was attended by 49 of 54 party MLAs, and the party expected remaining legislators to join them, sources said.

Dileep wrote:

Katare wrote: Max Muller’s work that I have read comes out as one of the most pro Hindu/India work ever written.

I share this view. My uncle translated his two works "India what it can teach" and "Six systems", and I did the editing, fact checking and background research. Which means I had to think about all nuances of the text to verify that the intended idea gets to Malayalam. Based on that, I can assert that his words are not that of a xtian supremacist, but that of a genuine admirer.

Acharya Narendra Bhushan, the well known vedic scholar, titled him "Moksha Muulara Bhatta of Sharmanya Desa" and quoted some of his views about advaitha.

For Müller, the culture of the Vedic peoples represented a form of nature worship, an idea clearly influenced by Romanticism.

Müller shared many of the ideas associated with Romanticism, which coloured his account of ancient religions, in particular his emphasis on the formative influence on early religion of emotional communion with natural forces. He saw the gods of the Rig-Veda as active forces of nature, only partly personified as imagined supernatural persons. From this claim Müller derived his theory that mythology is "a disease of language".

By this he meant that myth transforms concepts into beings and stories. In Müller's view, "gods" began as words constructed to express abstract ideas, but were transformed into imagined personalities. Thus the Indo-European father-god appears under various names: Zeus, Jupiter, Dyaus Pita.

For Müller all these names can be traced to the word "Dyaus", which he understood to imply "shining" or "radiance". This leads to the terms "deva", "deus", "theos" as generic terms for a god, and to the names "Zeus" and "Jupiter" (derived from deus-pater). In this way a metaphor becomes personified and ossified. This aspect of Müller's thinking was later explored similarly by Nietzsche.

Ashish Shelar, BJP: They say the swearing-in was done in the darkness of the night. We are people who go to 'shakha' early morning and that is 'Ram Prahar' (time) as per our belief. How would they, who forgot lord Ram, understand the importance of 'Ram Prahar'? #Maharashtra

Dileep wrote:Of course I had been plenty accused of a 'beef eating' 'commie voting' 'RoL loving' 'sikular' 'entitled' maloo in the past. But honestly, my door opener to the real hindu philosophy was via the "Six Systems". One reason being, having volunteered for the job, I had to put in honest hard work to understand it.

Also, I am not sure about others, but I tend to take things positively and constructively onlee.

Max Muller set the date of Rig Veda at only 1200 B.C. under Christen faith. The Christian belief current in those days was that the world was created at 9 A.M. on 23rd. October 4004 B.C. Bishop Ussher had declared it as the date of creation. The Holy Bible says that the human race began with Adam and Eve. Since their most direct descendents were among the Semitic tribe, Hebrew had to be the oldest language, then how can the Aryans be the possessors of the oldest culture? As no position is acceptable, lowering their culture, so the Vedic culture has to be of a later date and time. The cause of such facile conclusion and tailored theories, ignoring the facts of available history, was their commitment to Christianity.

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Kaivalya wrote:

Dileep wrote:Of course I had been plenty accused of a 'beef eating' 'commie voting' 'RoL loving' 'sikular' 'entitled' maloo in the past. But honestly, my door opener to the real hindu philosophy was via the "Six Systems". One reason being, having volunteered for the job, I had to put in honest hard work to understand it.

Also, I am not sure about others, but I tend to take things positively and constructively onlee.

Dileepji - The weakness is to take things constructively and positively onlee Again please don't focus on real hindu philosophy; that is what we do all the time - try this for a change :

Max Muller set the date of Rig Veda at only 1200 B.C. under Christen faith. The Christian belief current in those days was that the world was created at 9 A.M. on 23rd. October 4004 B.C. Bishop Ussher had declared it as the date of creation. The Holy Bible says that the human race began with Adam and Eve. Since their most direct descendents were among the Semitic tribe, Hebrew had to be the oldest language, then how can the Aryans be the possessors of the oldest culture? As no position is acceptable, lowering their culture, so the Vedic culture has to be of a later date and time. The cause of such facile conclusion and tailored theories, ignoring the facts of available history, was their commitment to Christianity.

And for more fun letters/lectures :https://raganugaprembhakti.wordpress.co ... c-culture/

Again, this happened systematically undetected for a while. Ever wonder why you had to translate a hindu work from German to malayalam. I am sure there were easier sources for the six systems than German or english work

Apologies to others - sorry to derail this thread

@tavleen singh. The wrath and venom of a lootyens hack scorned

chetak wrote:

'We The Idiots'

A M Singhvi appearing for Congress and NCP tells SC that of the 54 NCP MLAs, 41 signed a letter sent to Governor and declared removal of Ajit Pawar as NCP legislature party chief.

This is Her Majesty @tavleen_singh 's paraphrases for the "Elite" Look what are her gripes. All underlined ones are considered a virtue but in her dictionary they are.... BTW! She wants exclusivity for a particular faith.

syam wrote:

A M Singhvi appearing for Congress and NCP tells SC that of the 54 NCP MLAs, 41 signed a letter sent to Governor and declared removal of Ajit Pawar as NCP legislature party chief.

here the number is 13.

Balasaheb was disenfranchised from his voting rights for 6 yrs citing 'provocative' speeches. Congress legal lobby was forefront against him. Today Italian family's legal bouncers Sibal/Singhvi are his son's lawyers

ANI Verified account @ANI

Abhishek Manu Singhvi, appearing for NCP and Congress, says in Supreme Court, "How come Ajit Pawar becomes the Deputy CM with the support of only around 42-43 seats? It is the murder of democracy." #Maharashtra

10:31 PM - 23 Nov 2019

sanjayc wrote:

chetak wrote:
How can he be "removed" and by whom.

He was voted in by a majority of the NCP legislators and has to be voted out by them, no

He has the power to issue a whip as the NCP Legislative Party leader.

If his whip is not followed, the MLAs not following can be disqualified

Where is the confirmed news that he has been sacked as the NCP Legislative Party leader.

or is the process different from what I have understood.

Happy to be corrected.

NCP sacks Ajit Pawar as legislature unit leader, says he can't issue whip

The NCP on Saturday evening removed Ajit Pawar as the party's legislature unit leader after he joined hands with the BJP and took oath as the deputy chief minister of Maharashtra.

Ajit Pawar's actions defied the party's policies, said a resolution passed at the legislature wing's meeting here, attended by party supremo Sharad Pawar.

State NCP chief Jayant Patil will have all the constitutional rights till the next legislature party leader is elected, it said.

The meeting, convened by Pawar after the dramatic developments of the morning, was attended by 49 of 54 party MLAs, and the party expected remaining legislators to join them, sources said.

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#Breaking Legitimate NCLP leader will issue whip and it will be obeyed by MLAs to avoid disqualification:Sources
Note the word "Legitimate" Even they concede that NCLP change is not legitimate since there was no numbers for it

10:31 AM - 23 Nov 2019

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First time in History.. 3 parties did a post-poll alliance to sit in opposition

chetak wrote:Abhishek Manu Singhvi, advocate on record for the NCP is admitting in the SC that ajit pawar has the support of 42-43 MLAs

ANI Verified account @ANI

Abhishek Manu Singhvi, appearing for NCP and Congress, says in Supreme Court, "How come Ajit Pawar becomes the Deputy CM with the support of only around 42-43 seats? It is the murder of democracy." #Maharashtra

10:31 PM - 23 Nov 2019

@Tweeter_wapsi

So considering all the details which has emerged till now on NCP split, the breakup of MLAs is like this:

- Hardcore Sharad camp: 11
- Hardcore Ajit camp: 13
- बिन पेंदी के लोटे: 30

These 30 were with Ajit yesterday morning. Attended Sharad's meeting in evening.

Ajit Pawar: I am in the NCP and shall always be in the NCP and @PawarSpeaks Saheb is our leader.

Our BJP-NCP alliance shall provide a stable Government in Maharashtra for the next five years which will work sincerely for the welfare of the State and its people.

Mahesh Vikram Hegde
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25 years back Modi ji clearly explained how the Saffron party will defeat its enemies,

Using the friends of enemies!

Ram Vilas Paswan
@irvpaswan
सड़क पर वही जानवर मरता है जो निर्णय नहीं लेता है कि दाएं जाएं या बाएं जाएं।

Now that brings us to the question of ideology. So ideology has no place in politics? Why should people really support BJP if at the end of the day it is going to behave like any other political party that would go to any length to cling on to power?

A pessimist answer can obviously be that “yes, ideology has no place in modern politics” and that “all political parties are the same”, or as that Aunty in Pakistan had said, “yeh ***** saare mil kay humko paagal bana rahe hain ***** kay bachchay”.

However, it’s not so.

Ideology and politics are related, but they are not synonyms. Ideological battles are very different and distinct from electoral battles, though both are dependent on each other.

Just imagine; the leftist ideology has won all the battles that matter – academia, news media, entertainment media, activism, and judiciary – while they could never win electoral battles beyond two states of India.

The ‘right-wing’ or rather the ‘non-left wing’ of India needs to understand and learn lessons from the left on how these battles were won.

The left-wing doesn’t see it as “compromise” when some aspects of its ideology might lose in electoral battles and they end up allying with the same forces who defeated them. For example, the left lost badly in the 2009 Lok Sabha elections. They had made a nuclear deal a big issue and they had many other disagreements with the Manmohan Singh government of UPA-1. But their ideology was not defeated and it continued to flourish under UPA-2 too.

The left-wing is crystal clear on what it wants – it wants to keep the Hindutva ideology at the margins, preferably vanquished forever. Hindutva is something that seeks to unite bulk of the Indians under one identity, who are otherwise divided along hundreds of sub-identities. These hundreds of sub-identities keep thousands of conflicts alive, and the left desperately needs conflicts to keep their ideology alive. This is one of the reasons why it’s easy to appear “neutral” when you are left-leaning. You’ve hundreds of sides to take to keep thousands of battles alive.

Till the “keep Hindutva out” objective is met, left knows that they are winning and they don’t see it as any compromise. That’s why you hardly saw any “intellectual” ruing murder of democracy or death of ideological politics when Shiv Sena-Congress-NCP government formation was being discussed.

The right-wing needs to have similar clarity of purpose and they need to find those three words like “keep Hindutva out”.

Fighting elections and running a government is the day job of a politician or a political party. They need to be in power to keep themselves alive. Like we need a job regardless of our personal beliefs.

Let us assume that you are vegetarian and want to promote vegetarianism, and you are also desperately looking for a job. If you get a job offer from KFC, will you refuse it? If you take it, will it mean you compromised on your ideology? Or you’d convince yourself that this is just to make sure you are earning regular money, and with that money, you’d take some steps to promote vegetarianism? It is not a perfect analogy, but essentially a political party needs to first survive if it wants to stick to any ideology.

To sum it up, BJP is expected to stick to an ideology and promote it, and they will be judged on that, however, it will be impractical to expect them to be a saint and let go opportunities to be in power. It will also be impractical and self-defeating to put the entire responsibility on a political party to take the ideological battle forward.

In my personal opinion, it is imperative that BJP keeps this ruthless spirit of winning elections and forming governments alive, it is only going to help the ideology even if the party appears to “compromise” on it. By the sheer show of being in power for a long time, not only you frustrate those whose objective is to “keep Hindutva out”, you start giving confidence and hope to people who were just too scared to speak up earlier. That’s how ideologies evolve and become stronger.