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Posted: 10 Mar 2007 04:30
by Rony
sanjaykumar wrote:Afghan Hindus

Thanks Rony, they are gorgeous(look like my ethnic group :twisted: ).
Very moving.
You are welcome sanjaykumar ji,you can go through this website if you are interested.Lots of information about the community.

http://www.afghanhindu.info/

Posted: 10 Mar 2007 04:47
by Johann
Sanjay M wrote:The real test of wills will be proven by whether or not the US dares to reduce aid to Pakistan. If the US can't even do that, then they've no chance at all of effecting any change in Pakistani support for Taliban.
Reduction in US aid will not weaken Pakistani commitment to the Taliban.

After all Pakistan received no military aid and little US economic aid between August 1998 and August 2001, a time when the Americans were trying various sticks and carrots to persuade the Taliban to neutralise OBL and the Arab jihadi internationale in Afghanistan.

Reduction in aid would instead signify a new realism; the recognition of the fundamentally irreconcilable nature of the differences between the US and a Pakistan Army that can not be "saved" from hostile influence with lots of American dollars and weapons.

It is important however that any aid reductions comes through consensus between the US executive and legislature, and not as part of the political battles between the two.

Posted: 11 Mar 2007 13:44
by JE Menon
>>All the fundie players were ISI assets, and CIA hardly had any access except via ISI.

This is not accurate. Despite many open sources indicating the above, there are also credible open sources indicating that the CIA did maintain contacts with the mujahedin independent of the ISI. In other words, the US knew even back then that the Paks were playing a double game and did take measures to get better operational clarity - however, these efforts were both deeply insufficient, and unable to meaningfully impact the course of events. They were, for all intents and purposes, far more dependent on the ISI than on their own resources. It is a mistake I hope they don't repeat. But I'm not betting on it... :twisted:

Posted: 16 Mar 2007 04:50
by Johann
Terrorism Monitor
Volume 5, Issue 4

By Brian Glyn Williams, Cathy Young
2007: Suicide Bombings…or Suicide?

An analysis of the Taliban's 2007 suicide campaign makes some of these differences glaringly obvious. At first blush, this year's statistics seem to support the notion that suicide bombers are ramping up their attacks in an effort to cause as much Iraqi-style carnage as possible. While it is only seven weeks into the new year, there have already been 22 suicide bombings (or attempts) in Afghanistan. This seems to be a fulfillment of Mullah Hayat Khan's promise to use 2,000 suicide bombers to make 2007 "the bloodiest year" in Afghanistan (al-Jazeera, January 27). Yet a deeper analysis of the suicide bombing attacks carried out since January 1 reveals an altogether different picture.

Astoundingly, of the 22 attacks carried out this year, in 16 cases the only fatality has been the suicide bomber himself. In the 17th case, the suicide bomber succeeded in killing himself and one policeman. In two other cases, the suicide bomber was arrested or shot. This translates to 19 Taliban suicide bombers for one Afghan policeman, hardly an inspiring kill ratio for would-be-suicide bombers. In most of these cases, the suicide bombers attacked foreign convoys on foot or in cars and were unable to inflict casualties on their targets. Typically, the suicide bombers' explosives went off prematurely or their bombs failed to kill coalition troops driving in heavily armored vehicles.

In only three of the 22 cases for 2007 were there notable fatalities. In the first successful case, a suicide bomber killed two Afghan policemen and eight civilians (Camp Salerno, Khost, January 23). In the second case, three policemen were killed (Zherai District, Khost, February 4). In the third case, the February 27 attack on Bagram Air Base while Cheney was visiting, the bomber succeeded in killing 15-23 people (including two to three coalition soldiers). Such numbers hardly compare to Iraq where suicide bombers often carry out synchronized attacks that regularly kill anywhere from 60 to 130 people. Such uninspiring statistics beg the question: what are Afghanistan's suicide bombers doing wrong?

Taliban "Hard Targeting"

While the low death statistics certainly speak to the Taliban bombers' general ineptitude, part of the answer also lies in their targeting patterns which differ from those in Iraq. Iraqi suicide bombers from such jihadi groups as Ansar al-Sunnah and al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia frequently seek to inflict high casualty rates by attacking soft targets, such as crowded markets. Their objective is to cause as much bloodshed as possible, incite sectarian violence and destroy U.S. efforts to construct civil society in Iraq. Afghan suicide bombers, on the other hand, appear to have different objectives and have focused almost exclusively on hard targets (government, police, military). In 2007, for example, the Taliban have attacked foreign or Afghan military/police targets in 16 of their 22 bombings (in three cases the target was undetermined).

This in-depth analysis of 158 Afghan suicide bombings since 2001 shows that this is no anomaly and demonstrates an important point: in only eight of the 158 suicide attacks from 2001-2007 did civilians appear to be the direct target of Afghan bombers. Further scrutiny of these eight civilian attacks reveals an important fact. In two of these instances, the Taliban apologized for inflicting civilian casualties and in one case a Taliban spokesmen actually denied involvement. In four other cases the suicide bombers seem to have been targeting passing military convoys or governmental representatives in crowds; therefore, the high civilian casualties appear to have been unintended "collateral damage." In only two instances were civilians clearly the target of Afghan suicide bombers.

These findings tell us volumes about the Taliban's overall strategy in employing suicide bombing as a tactic. Far from imitating Iraqi insurgent tactics, the Taliban are trying to avoid losing the battle for the hearts and minds of the Afghan people by needlessly killing civilians.

Long-Term Taliban Strategy

While more targeted than the Iraqi suicide bombing campaign, the Taliban suicide bombing operations nonetheless share one key objective with their Iraqi counterparts: to disrupt the local "infidel proxy" government's efforts to bring security to contested provinces. In Iraq, this translates to fighting the Maliki government for Anbar Province. In Afghanistan, it means fighting the Karzai government for Paktia, Paktika, Khost, Helmand and, most importantly, Kandahar, the spiritual capital of the Taliban. Kandahar has been the scene of the greatest number of suicide bombings and is the key to understanding Taliban strategy. The Taliban movement sprang from Kandahar by offering the war weary Kandahari Pashtuns the one thing the mujahideen could not: security. While actively contesting the Karzai government for control of its natal territory, the current Taliban leadership does not want to be seen as destroying the local tribes' sense of security. The Taliban Shura knows from its own past experience that this would drive those Pashtun tribes sitting on the fence into the arms of the Karzai government.

For this reason, the Taliban merely aim to deprive the Karzai government and its International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) sponsors of their ability to offer the people security. The Taliban know all too well that NATO-backed efforts to lay roads, build schools, drill wells and outlaw banditry represent the greatest threat to their movement. For this reason, they have commenced an insurgent campaign which aims to disrupt ISAF's efforts to stabilize the south and bring security to the people.

Nothing in the Taliban/al-Qaeda arsenal seems to have been as effective as a shock weapon against the militarily superior Afghan National Army and ISAF/U.S. troops as suicide bombers. One cannot overestimate the psychological damage that this asymmetric tactic has had on ISAF troops who have handily bested their Taliban opponents in pitched battles. After Canadian ISAF troops delivering candy to children were targeted for suicide attacks, their skittish patrols began to attach speakers to their vehicles warning Afghans in Pashto to stay away. In a couple of instances, ISAF troops that have been targeted by suicide bombers have subsequently overreacted and shot innocent Afghan bystanders. Dutch ISAF troops, for example, have refused to be deployed in areas where suicide bombing is prevalent.

On many levels, the suicide bombing campaign does seem to have been successful. It has disrupted the coalition's efforts to interact with local populations and to win the race to bring security to contested provinces.

Yet the Taliban are clearly playing a dangerous game, and this author's findings back up the Pentagon's claim that as many as 84% of the victims of suicide bombings in Afghanistan are civilians [1].

In several instances, Afghan suicide bombers have attacked foreign military convoys and succeeded in killing more than a dozen civilians and only one or two soldiers [2]. On other occasions, suicide bombers have killed or wounded innocent bystanders in mosques, hospitals, restaurants, or waiting for visas to partake in the Hajj. In the recent attack on Bagram Air Base, the vast majority of victims were once again civilians, and hundreds came to mourn their deaths. Not surprisingly, this has caused widespread resentment and protests in several Afghan cities.

Even in the best of circumstances, suicide bombing is not a precise technique and Afghanistan's feckless bombers seem far better at killing themselves and Afghan civilians than foreign troops. Far more coalition troops in Afghanistan have died from IEDs, gunfire, RPG attacks and other conventional methods than they have from suicide bombs. One Afghan study of the bloody 2006 campaign has found that suicide bombings in that year took 212 civilian lives, while leading to the death of only 12 foreign soldiers [3].

Conclusion

In light of the above, it seems clear that the Taliban will continue to employ suicide bombings in the upcoming year as a disruptive shock tactic. While the Taliban may get the occasional public relations coup, as in the seemingly coincidental attack on Bagram while Cheney was visiting, the main victims will continue to be the very people the Taliban are trying to win over, along with the suicide bombers themselves. As coalition troops continue to use close air support and superior artillery firepower to flush Taliban insurgents out of provinces like Kandahar, the real contest for the hearts and minds of the local population for 2007 may well hinge on the competing sides' "collateral damage" statistics.

Posted: 17 Mar 2007 04:02
by Tilak
Indian `idol' in Afghanistan
Haroun Mir

For a growing number of Afghans, India is a good friend... a feeling not too relished in neighbouring Pakistan.
A good example of India's growing influence in Afghanistan can be seen from the fact that in an Afghan TV show inspired by the US TV show American Idol, candidates sing Hindi songs despite the requirement to sing Afghan songs! Today, India is an exemplary example to follow for young Afghans thanks to the close cultural ties between the two nations. Since the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947, Afghanistan has become a playground for both the countries applying different methods to expand their influence here. But Pakistan's accusation that the Afghan government is pro-Indian is baseless.

The activities of the two governments determine their influence in the country. Measuring the impact of their respective long-term policies over Afghan people, one finds that India is increasingly being looked upon as a friend, while Pakistan's image has suffered, even among those Afghans who were given shelter as refugees in Pakistan over long years of the country's turbulent history.

The Indian policy has always striven for close ties with the Afghan government regardless of the colour or contours of the political power in Kabul. And this policy has been in place over three decades of internal conflicts in Afghanistan. Pakistan, on the other hand, has always pursued a scantily hidden agenda to dominate Afghanistan through puppet and subservient governments in Kabul.

It got directly involved in the Afghan internal conflict by providing military support to its Afghan surrogates, namely Gulbudin Hekmatyar (leader of Hezb Islami) and the Taliban movement. Since the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan in 1989 till September 2001, Pakistan has been a major regional player shaping the destiny of Afghanistan. General Zia-ul-Haq, a former Pakistan President, wanted to create a confederation of the two countries, with Pakistan being the dominant economic and political player.

In order to succeed with that policy, Pakistan's military authorities ordered the militant Gulbudin Hekmatyar to paralyse life in Kabul with deadly rocket attacks after the fall of the Afghan Communist regime in 1992. The aim was to force people to flee from Kabul, forcing major embassies and foreign offices to shut down. But when this objective did not materialise, the Pakistani establishment dumped Hekmatyar, and turned its military and financial support in the direction of the extremist movement of the Taliban, and helped it to overthrow the government in Kabul. The destruction and misery that Pakistan imposed on Afghans will be scrutinised by Afghanistan's future generation.

A friend in need

As opposed to Pakistan, India has never interfered directly in Afghanistan's internal affairs and conflicts. Unlike Pakistan, India's paramilitary forces have never been involved in the killing of innocent Afghans nor has it ever financed and encouraged foreign fighters to destroy Afghanistan's economic infrastructure and cultural heritage. In the eyes of Afghans, Pakistan is to be blamed for the destruction of the giant Buddha statutes in Bamiyan, which were considered a common cultural heritage for the whole region and indeed the world.

Since the collapse of the Taliban regime in 2001, India has been an active and major contributor in Afghanistan's reconstruction projects. The Indian presence and economic assistance are much appreciated by Afghans. Despite having millions of poor and needy people, India has generously donated resources to assist the Afghan people. Indian doctors help to run clinics in Afghanistan and thousands of Afghan students are offered scholarships to study in Indian universities. Wealthy Afghans prefer sending their children to India, rather than Pakistan, for education.

Through its troubled history Afghanistan has seen bloodshed and destruction as horrific as or worse than the current one, and survived as a very poor, but very proud, nation. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan destroyed the country, killed and disabled millions of people and forced more than five million into exile. Yet Afghans do not hate Russians because it was the ruling Soviet government that ordered the invasion of their country.

Similarly, they know that Pakistani people are not behind the misdeeds of their government. But they are furious with Pakistan because they never expected that a neighbouring Muslim country could inflict such misery upon them. In fact, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the assistance that Pakistan had provided to more than three million Afghans refugees created a unique opportunity for Pakistan to expand its influence in Afghanistan through peaceful means such as peace brokering, economic development, cultural exchange. After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Pakistan got a new opportunity; it could have collaborated with the NATO forces to stabilise the country, helped block the infiltration of militant groups across the border into Afghanistan, and participated in the rebuilding of Afghanistan. Yet Pakistan's military authorities only created further resentment among the majority of Afghans by maintaining their rigid and ill-conceived Afghan policy and supporting the Afghan insurgent groups.

Afghans can distinguish between countries that stand up as friends and help stabilise their country, and those that try to destabilise it. In its present political and economic condition, Afghanistan cannot afford hostility with its neighbours. The Afghan people have always wanted close economic and cultural ties with all of their neighbouring countries.

Cultural ties

The majority of Afghans watch Bollywood movies and listen to Indian music as a unique source of entertainment. If all private and public Afghan TV channels and radio stations broadcast Indian films, TV serials and music, it is because there is a demand for these programmes. Indian TV serials have become a must-watch for the majority of the people. For instance, men negotiate with the Imams in the mosques to alter the evening prayer time so that they don't miss their favourite serials!

What would Afghans watch on Pakistan's TV channels or listen to on its radio? The news from Pakistan is depressing and fearsome for them. They hear about the imminent offensives of the Taliban from their bases in Pakistan, they worry about the next wave of suicide bombers indoctrinated in Pakistani madrassas, and they're shocked at the fatwas (religious rulings) given by Pakistani religious figures to legitimise the killing of innocent Afghans.

In addition, some graduates of Pakistani madrassas accuse young Afghans of committing apostasy by dedicating their time learning about the lives of Bollywood stars rather than concentrate on the teachings of their own religion. That Afghans prefer Indian schools or colleges to those in Pakistan should alarm Pakistani authorities.

Afghanistan's young generation formulates its impressions on Pakistan based on the images it receives from TV screens. Instead of being unduly concerned about India's growing economic and cultural influence in Afghanistan, if Pakistan wants to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people it should reconsider its policy in Afghanistan.

(The writer is the Middle East Policy Analyst for the International Affairs Forum. He served as an aide to the late Ahmad Shah Massoud, Afghanistan's former defence minister.)

Posted: 20 Mar 2007 07:01
by Sanjay M
Italian hostage witnessed beheadings

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6469003.stm

Posted: 20 Mar 2007 14:55
by Lalmohan
Tilak wrote:Indian `idol' in Afghanistan
Haroun Mir

What would Afghans watch on Pakistan's TV channels or listen to on its radio? The news from Pakistan is depressing and fearsome for them. They hear about the imminent offensives of the Taliban from their bases in Pakistan, they worry about the next wave of suicide bombers indoctrinated in Pakistani madrassas, and they're shocked at the fatwas (religious rulings) given by Pakistani religious figures to legitimise the killing of innocent Afghans.
those of you who monitor the urdu press... does this phenomenon show up there too? this has the ring of "us and them" about it...

Posted: 20 Mar 2007 16:17
by vsudhir
Lalmohan wrote:
Tilak wrote:Indian `idol' in Afghanistan
Haroun Mir

What would Afghans watch on Pakistan's TV channels or listen to on its radio? The news from Pakistan is depressing and fearsome for them. They hear about the imminent offensives of the Taliban from their bases in Pakistan, they worry about the next wave of suicide bombers indoctrinated in Pakistani madrassas, and they're shocked at the fatwas (religious rulings) given by Pakistani religious figures to legitimise the killing of innocent Afghans.
those of you who monitor the urdu press... does this phenomenon show up there too? this has the ring of "us and them" about it...
Lal,

The writer of that column was a close aide of Ahmed shah Massoud - 'Lion of Panjshir' - leader of the Northern alliance of non-pushto folk, a good friend of India and bitter pak enemy. That little factoid alone serves to explain a lot about the column's contents. I for one would take the claims made here with salt (though reluctantly). There's little evidence that Afghan's Pakhtoon majority hates the talibs and the Pak govt with near anywhere as much distaste as the author here potrays.

/JMT. Etc

Posted: 21 Mar 2007 06:36
by Airavat
IAF band to train Afghan military
The Indian Air Force's Air Warrior Symphony Orchestra (ASWO) is set to teach military tunes and perhaps some Hindustani compositions to Afghanistan's armed forces.

The Orchestra will provide training to 10 Afghan officers for six months on developing basic skills like reading notations, playing instruments and even selecting the right kind of instruments.

"The Afghanistan government had requested its Indian counterpart to train some of its armed forces officers," ASWO Director Pramod Kumar Jena said.

The Afghan officers will be trained at Jalahalli in Bangalore, where the ASWO is based.

Posted: 21 Mar 2007 07:10
by Sanjay M
vsudhir wrote: The writer of that column was a close aide of Ahmed shah Massoud - 'Lion of Panjshir' - leader of the Northern alliance of non-pushto folk, a good friend of India and bitter pak enemy. That little factoid alone serves to explain a lot about the column's contents. I for one would take the claims made here with salt (though reluctantly). There's little evidence that Afghan's Pakhtoon majority hates the talibs and the Pak govt with near anywhere as much distaste as the author here potrays.

/JMT. Etc
That's why I wonder why India shouldn't mainly focus its Afghan reconstruction efforts on the North of the country. Reconstruction in the north would mean less security cover required for Indian personnel. Also, we could score some favorable propaganda in Pak circles about us not meddling in the Pashtun areas. But meanwhile the reality is that if we help the Northern Afghans (non-Pashtun minorities) gain advantages in infrastructure and economic development over the southern Pashtun areas, it would strengthen their ability to eventually secede. That alone would put Pak in jeopardy, since any homogenous Pashtun rump-state would create a reunification pressure on Pak's northern areas.

Such a policy would allow us to hedge our bets. If the Pashtuns want to side with us against Pakistan, then great. But if they don't and Pak successfully exerts more pull on them than us, then we can help the north to secede and still sour things for Pak anyway.

Posted: 21 Mar 2007 10:36
by Laks
x-post TSP terror thread.
More TSP suicide bombers enter Afghanistan
Suicide bombers are crossing the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan with increasing frequency, launching attacks directed against foreign military convoys with funding from abroad, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said in a report to the Security Council on Tuesday.

The September 2006 peace agreement between Pakistan and pro-Taliban fighters in that country‘s North Waziristan region did not prevent the border area from being used as a staging ground for attacks on Afghanistan, Ban said. Instead, the agreement led to a 50 percent increase in security incidents involving insurgents in Afghanistan‘s Khost province and a 70 percent increase in Paktika province — both on the border — between September and November, he said.

"Many attacks appear to have been financed from abroad (ed: read TSP)," he said in the report.

Posted: 23 Mar 2007 12:06
by Laks
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/dis ... id=8896853
India and Afghanistan: The Great Game revisited

[quote]IT IS easy to miss the Indian consulate in Jalalabad. Tucked away on a back street with no flag, it is just a large walled compound protected by bored Afghan guards. There is little obvious activity going on inside. Consular staff say their main job is to issue visas—about one a day, mainly for Afghans seeking medical treatment in India—and to collect exam papers from applicants for scholarships at Indian universities. “There is a lot of time for reading,â€

Posted: 23 Mar 2007 18:45
by shyamd
India and Afghanistan

The Great Game revisited
[quote]Mar 22nd 2007 | JALALABAD
From The Economist print edition


India and Pakistan are playing out their rivalries in Afghanistan

IT IS easy to miss the Indian consulate in Jalalabad. Tucked away on a back street with no flag, it is just a large walled compound protected by bored Afghan guards. There is little obvious activity going on inside. Consular staff say their main job is to issue visas—about one a day, mainly for Afghans seeking medical treatment in India—and to collect exam papers from applicants for scholarships at Indian universities. “There is a lot of time for reading,â€

Posted: 23 Mar 2007 19:45
by Philip
True British casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politi ... 383896.ece

Ministers finally admit full scale of war casualties
By Colin Brown, Deputy Political Editor
Published: 23 March 2007
Casualty figures show that more British soldiers have been seriously hurt fighting insurgents than during the initial invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Figures for casualties before 2006 are to be published for the first time next week by the Ministry of Defence. The MoD has been wary of issuing the figures, in spite of attempts by campaigners using Freedom of Information legislation to find out the casualty rate.

The Independent has learned the figures will show that 114 British soldiers were seriously hurt in Iraq from 2004, compared to 46 during the invasion of 2003.

In Afghanistan, the figures reveal that the casualty rate rose last year to 30 seriously hurt, compared to two for the previous year. The rise was caused by a Taliban offensive last summer, and raised fears that it could rise sharply again when the next, expected, offensive gets underway.

The number of British fatalities in both conflicts have been regularly released by the MoD. The number of UK troops killed in Iraq rose to 134 this week after a soldier died in Britain having been critically injured while on patrol. The number killed in Afghanistan since 2001 rose to 52 after the death on 8 March of Warrant Officer Michael Smith in Helmand province.

Last night, MPs on all sides called for figures on the wounded to initiate a debate about how British casualties are treated at home. Some MPs contrasted how UK casualties returned home with little publicity whereas in America returning casualties are treated as war heroes.

The refusal to publish casualty figures has helped the impact of both conflicts on communities across the country to be underestimated. In many cases, seriously injured soldiers have had to cope with loss of limbs.

Nick Harvey, a Liberal Democrat spokesman, said casualties were the forgotten story of the war. "The publishing of these figures ought to serve as a catalyst for a major debate about how we treat our wounded heroes when they return," he said. "It is a wonder to me that the MoD have taken quite so long to publish these figures and that we, as a nation, haven't made more of the casualties. They show how dangerous Iraq has become and how tough Afghanistan was last year, and could be this summer."

A former Labour defence minister, Peter Kilfoyle, said: "They are paying an unacceptable price for following the orders of their superiors who got it totally and absolutely wrong."

He said the figures also raised renewed questions about the treatment of soldiers at Selly Oak hospital, Birmingham, following the closure of military hospitals. MPs have repeatedly voiced concern about the reports of poor treatment of soldiers on the NHS, but ministers insist they were right to close military hospitals and focus their treatment on a military ward of an NHS hospital.

The publication of the figures next week is unlikely to end the row. Some campaigners believe they are suspiciously low, but the MoD will insist they are as accurate as possible. They have been processed by the Defence Analytical Services Agency. "It has been a massive job," said one source.

The figures also reveal that soldiers are at more risk from disease or non-battle injuries in Iraq. UK field-hospital admissions in Iraq since the start of 2006 were 1,460, with fully 1,324 of these suffering from disease or non-battle injuries.

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 00:24
by shyamd
4 die in suicide attack targeting Afghan intelligence chief
No Intelligence operatives died in the attack. Looks like Mushy no happy.

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 14:47
by Raju
Afghanistan admitted as 8th member of SAARC

Indo-Asian News Service
New Delhi, April 3, 2007|13:30 IST

Afghanistan was admitted on Tuesday as the eighth member of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) with President Hamid Karzai, in his flamboyant green cape, being warmly greeted by the leaders of other countries.

A declaration was adopted with acclamation by the other seven members - India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives - welcoming the "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan" into the "SAARC fraternity".

Karzai was then greeted individually by the other leaders, with Pakistan Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz noticeably embracing him.

Just before departing to New Delhi, Karzai made a scathing attack on Pakistan's promotion of terrorism in his country alleging that Islamabad was the source, funding, trainer and sanctuary of the Taliban and its leaders.

"If we had better cooperation from Pakistan, a great many of these cross-border crossings would stop," Karzai told the New York Times. Pakistan angrily denied the charges.

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 18:38
by ramana
Now for Iran.

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 18:52
by Raju
I feel even Oman could be included in SAARC. It always had very cordial relations with the region in general and India in particular. Also an ancient relationship with baluchistan.

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 19:12
by vsudhir
Afghan, Iran, Oman.....Am wondering what could be next.

PRC anyone?


IIRC, Gyanendra insisted on chini presence in last year's SAARC summit in Dhaka, didn't he?

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 19:17
by Raju
PRC are observers, just like EU, US, Japan.

Lone discordant voices can be isolated/changed when more members of the Islamic world take membership. The King of Oman has been a long friend of India's.

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 19:34
by ramana
My thought was based on Curzonian doctrine. Eventually China not PRC has to be part of SAARC.

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 20:08
by shyamd
Raju wrote:PRC are observers, just like EU, US, Japan.

Lone discordant voices can be isolated/changed when more members of the Islamic world take membership. The King of Oman has been a long friend of India's.
Oman is one of India's closest friends. IMO we need to expand our relationship with Oman. And I am pretty certain they will be open to it. There are many expatriate Indians who have received honorary omani citizenship. I used to live in Oman. There are certain Indian individuals who have helped Sultan Qaboos during his early days. Especially to become king. However recently the number of Indian expatriates have reduced due to the nations Omanisation policy.

I think we could do more to expand relations with Oman like using Omani ports in conflict times etc etc. Some Baluchi rebels claimed that they were trained in a middle eastern country. It is likely that it would either be in Oman or UAE (These 2 have the highest amount of Baluchi populations, I think).

So it would be great to invite Oman. But could Paki's use UAE as a counterweight?

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 20:18
by Raju
I was watching MMS body language during the inauguration of the saarc summit, Gee .. what a terrible body language. It seemed he couldn't care less or couldn't be more disinterested. The members of his own cabinet, Chidambaram, MSA, Shivraj Patil were sleeping through his welcome speech.

It seems he perks up only at the sight of unkil and allies.

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 22:09
by svinayak
ramana wrote:My thought was based on Curzonian doctrine. Eventually China not PRC has to be part of SAARC.
Independent Tibet has to be part of SAARC

Posted: 03 Apr 2007 22:53
by Vivek_A
Testy Tribes Trash Taliban Tactics
April 3, 2007: An example of how development projects can defeat terrorism occurred in western Afghanistan recently. On March 24th, in Farah province, some Taliban gunmen attacked a group of Afghan and Indian engineers examining a dam, in preparation for work to be done on the facility. Hearing the gunfire, over a hundred armed men came from a nearby village and attacked the Taliban, killing three of them and driving the rest away. One villager was wounded. The villagers knew that the engineering team meant jobs, and economic progress for them. All the Taliban brought was bullets and threats.



The gun battle at the dam was not unique. Since late last year, when more villagers got angry at Taliban attacks on their new schools (which weren't religious schools, the only kind approved by the Taliban), and began meeting the Taliban with gunfire, there has been increasing armed resistance to Taliban gunmen. Groups of Taliban gunmen roam the countryside, demanding that villagers support them, and adopt conservative Islamic customs. The Taliban don't like to get into gun battles with the villagers, because the tribal code in Afghanistan calls for revenge if a villager is killed. Threats and coercion are the preferred Taliban tactic. But if the villagers grab their guns and resist, then the Taliban either have to lose face, back off, and abandon the area, or fight and risk a blood feud with this village, and their tribe (which may be a large one.)

Posted: 04 Apr 2007 00:41
by sanjaykumar
I was watching MMS body language during the inauguration of the saarc summit, Gee .. what a terrible body language. It seemed he couldn't care less or couldn't be more disinterested. The members of his own cabinet, Chidambaram, MSA, Shivraj Patil were sleeping through his welcome speech.

It seems he perks up only at the sight of unkil and allies.



A link to a video perhaps?

The body language is perhaps unconscious, these government types do represent the aam junta- who have very little interest in people who are "failed Indians". They basically go where the money is-currently with uncle and allies.

Posted: 04 Apr 2007 03:12
by shyamd
Watch NDTV. I just saw it just now. Couldn't stop laughing!

Posted: 05 Apr 2007 17:09
by shyamd
Toll hits 250 as Pakistani tribesmen fight to expel foreign militants
· Local force blames Uzbeks for rise in crime
· Assassination may have triggered wave of violence

Clashes between Pakistani tribesmen and foreign fighters in the tribal belt close to the Afghan border intensified sharply yesterday, bringing the official toll from two weeks of fighting to more than 250.

The bloodshed was centred on a cluster of villages near Wana, the main town in South Waziristan tribal agency, where hundreds of heavily armed Pashtun tribesmen are trying to expel more than 1,000 mostly Uzbek fighters from the area.

Two days ago tribesmen sounded the traditional drums of war to muster a "Lashkar" - a tribal fighting force. Since then 50 Uzbeks, 10 tribesmen and one Pakistani soldier have died, according to local officials. However, like much from Waziristan - a remote and dangerous area from where most reporters have left - the information could not be verified.

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The Uzbeks fled to Waziristan after the fall of the Taliban in late 2001. They are led by Tahir Yuldashev, an Islamist who was close to Osama bin Laden. Initially they were welcomed by conservative tribesmen who shared their ideas about "jihad" against foreign forces. But their popularity sharply waned as they became enmeshed in local rivalries and were blamed for rising crime and brutal assassinations of pro-government elders and other enemies.

According to some reports the current fighting was triggered by the assassination some weeks ago of a respected Arab fighter also sheltering in Waziristan.

The Pakistani government claims the revolt is proof that local tribesmen are finally turning against the al-Qaida-linked foreigners, whose presence has long been a bone of contention with the US. The interior minister, Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao, said more than 200 local fighters had joined the "Lashkar". But analysts say the reality is much more complex.

The anti-Uzbek forces are led by Maulvi Nazir, a young local commander believed to be coordinating Taliban attacks across the border in Afghanistan. The Uzbeks, estimated to number 1,000-2,000, also have supporters, notably from another sub-clan feuding with Maulvi Nazir.

Pakistan's pro-Taliban religious parties have tried to quell the violence. Last week a delegation to Waziristan brokered a temporary ceasefire, hoping to persuade the Uzbeks to disarm. But the violence of recent days means they may have little choice but to fight or die.

The Uzbeks are viewed with increasing animosity in Waziristan. Although a small number have integrated into the tight-knit society - marrying local women and learning the Pashto language - most are considered little better than criminals.

The Uzbeks have been blamed for a rise in kidnappings, car theft and targeted killings. Pakistani military commanders say they found ***** and evidence that the Uzbeks were eating pork during raids on their hideouts in spring 2005.

A Pakistani military official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they could also be involved in human trafficking. The wife of a killed Uzbek fighter told military interrogators that she had been forcibly abducted from her home in Uzbekistan, he said. The woman pleaded not to be sent home and her children were eventually adopted by a Pakistani military family.

The army insists it is not taking part in the fighting but said it will respond if its bases come under fire. Four soldiers were killed by rocket fire at the weekend.

Posted: 05 Apr 2007 20:22
by Vivek_A
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070404/ap_ ... n_in_black

U.S. Army's `Men in Black' fight Taliban

By DENIS D. GRAY, Associated Press Writer
Wed Apr 4, 1:38 PM ET



BAYLOUGH, Afghanistan - As his snipers watched the Taliban fighters from hilltop hideouts, the sergeant had a flashback: He was in the Alps, dressed in an Afghan turban and vest, cradling an AK-47 and impersonating the very insurgents his unit was about to confront.

Staff Sgt. Lukas Hearn could slide easily into shoes of the Taliban in Afghanistan, picturing that when the shooting started they would flee their stronghold, veer up a narrow pass and vanish into the mountains.

In a conflict waged on unfamiliar terrain, Hearn's unit — the U.S. Army's 1st Battalion, 4th Regiment — enjoys an edge. Since 1990, soldiers from the battalion have acted as "OPFOR" — Opposition Forces — in war games staged in Germany against U.S. and NATO units. And in the German Alps, they played the part of the Taliban.

"Except for our light skin, short haircut and combat boots, we looked exactly like Afghan insurgents, and sometimes they let us wear our hair long. They even gave us glue-on beards," said Hearn, of Moore, Okla.

Now his unit is deployed in Afghanistan's Zabul province, a vital staging post for insurgents in southern Afghanistan, and the role-playing experience has paid dividends.

Recounting a recent clash, Hearn said his unit rushed in a blocking force to cut off the valley that was the site of the Taliban stronghold. Mortars were targeted on the expected escape route and airstrikes readied before fighting erupted.

"They (the militants) did exactly what we would have done if we were acting as OPFOR," Hearn said. The Taliban fighters were trapped, and a number were killed, he said.

Almost daily, soldiers trudge out of wind-swept Forward Operating Base Baylough on high altitude operations to hold the 46-square-mile bowl, to destroy or disrupt the Taliban elsewhere and to woo villagers who have yet to see any real benefits from the Kabul government.

"They're horrible shots and they plan absurd ambushes where they face each other," Cunningham said of the Taliban. "But they've got the usual insurgents' perks — they know the terrain, they move faster than we do and they can blend in with the population."

The Daychopan district is important to the insurgents. After infiltrating from Pakistan, Taliban and foreign Islamic fighters use the district's mountain ranges and villages as havens en route to the southern provinces of Kandahar and Helmand where most of the heavy fighting is now occurring.

Posted: 06 Apr 2007 03:21
by Gerard
Road diplomacy: India names street after Afghan war hero
Reflecting their growing bilateral relations, Indian government named a road on Thursday in the national capital after the slain Afghan war hero, Ahmad Shah Massoud, the first such honour extended to a leader from that country.

Posted: 10 Apr 2007 18:01
by Surya
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1 ... 218C403097

The Aussies are are doing their bit.

Would be better if they pulled all there troops out of Iraq and put them in Afghan.

Looks like their SAS are raring to get some piece of the action

Posted: 10 Apr 2007 18:13
by vsudhir
Gerard wrote:Road diplomacy: India names street after Afghan war hero
Reflecting their growing bilateral relations, Indian government named a road on Thursday in the national capital after the slain Afghan war hero, Ahmad Shah Massoud, the first such honour extended to a leader from that country.
Nice gesture. make sure it gets good publicity in the afghan North.

Masood was India's friend directly and indirectly, an enemy of our enemies in the region (Yup, TSP and its proxies such as the Taliban and Al-Q).

Posted: 16 Apr 2007 04:09
by Vivek_A
Annual intel budget: 40 billion $
Annual common sense budget: 0$


Taliban Are Eluding U.S. Hunters

DENIS D. GRAY | AP | April 15, 2007 04:08 PM EST

DAVUDZAY, Afghanistan — Troops with powerful rifle scopes scanned mountain ridges for elusive, black-clad Taliban infiltrators. Afghan soldiers, hit by a roadside bomb, pressed on into the valley. U.S. Special Forces swept through the sinister alleys of its main settlement.

The strike, carried out by about 200 American and Afghan government forces, was supposed to sever a major insurgent infiltration and supply route from neighboring Pakistan to Islamic fighters deep in Afghanistan.

But the attack didn't work _ an object lesson in why 47,000 U.S. and NATO forces are struggling to contain a resurgent Taliban movement.

Field officers say eradicating fighters who cross the porous 1,470-mile border is like trying to drain a swamp when one cannot shut off the streams feeding it. Pakistan's failure to dam those streams has deepened the five-year-old conflict, they say.

"Stopping the infiltration is not the only way we are going to win this war, but it's a very key factor," said Capt. Samuel Edwards, who led U.S. Army troops in a recent drive into the Davudzay mountain bowl in the southeastern province of Zabul.

The Zabul routes are just a fragment of a vast cross-border network, reminiscent of the Ho Chi Minh Trail of jungle tracks and secret roads that carried Vietnamese communist troops and equipment to battle.

NATO "will never control the border without greater control of the border areas by Pakistan and greater coordination and cooperation between Pakistan and Afghanistan," Gen. John Craddock, the current NATO commander, said recently in Washington.

Taliban fighters and al-Qaida militants converged on the frontier after U.S.-led forces drove them from Afghanistan in 2001. Pakistan is now under greater pressure to act _ particularly after the U.S. military last fall reported a threefold increase in cross-border attacks into eastern Afghanistan.

In January, John Negroponte, then U.S. national intelligence director, voiced concern about the Taliban finding sanctuary in Pakistan, and U.S. officials cautioned that al-Qaida could be regrouping along the frontier.

Edwards says his unit, a company of the 4th Infantry Regiment, has done well in mapping the trails between Pakistan's borderlands and into Zabul.

"We've kind of connected the dots. But we're never going to stop it completely. 'Disrupt' is the word I would stick with," he says.

The company's intelligence officer, Capt. James Kretzschmar, says most insurgents enter Zabul through the Maruf Valley after training near the southwestern Pakistan city of Quetta. Former NATO commander Gen. James L. Jones said earlier that Quetta remains the Taliban's main headquarters.

Once inside Zabul, some of the Taliban and foreign Islamic fighters are believed to head straight down a highway to Kandahar province while others make for Zabul's rugged northwestern districts and onward into the Taliban heartland in the south, where the most intense fighting is now taking place.

"It's an annual cycle. It's weather-dependent," says Kretzschmar, of Albany, N.Y.

When the snows melt in the spring, men, weapons and supplies begin moving in small groups, often along mountain ridges, on donkeys and motorcycles, he says.

Those already in Zabul blend in with villagers during the winter in places like the Davudzay bowl.

Pakistan maintains that the insurgency is primarily an Afghan problem, fueled by domestic frustration over poverty and dissatisfaction with the Afghan government. It says it has deployed 80,000 soldiers to stop Taliban supporters crossing from Pakistan to fight _ far more troops than marshaled by Afghanistan, the U.S. and NATO on the other side.

"We are trying to ensure that the support the Taliban have here does not go across," said army spokesman Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad. "Movement across the border has reduced by a great extent."

Also, some Taliban leaders have been arrested, and Pakistan has started building a fence along 177 miles of frontier.

NATO spokesman Col. Tom Collins in Kabul said Pakistan had "done pretty well," particularly against al-Qaida. He said that sealing the border was virtually impossible, although coordination was improving among Pakistani, Afghan and NATO forces.

U.S. officers on the ground in Zabul see little change. And Afghan officials say elements in Pakistan's powerful ISI intelligence agency flagrantly support the Taliban.

"I can give the Pakistanis a list of the Taliban that are coming into my province," Zabul Governor Dalbar Ayman said angrily in an interview. "The world found their address in Pakistan, so why couldn't the Pakistanis have arrested them years ago? The ISI knows every village, every district, every individual."

Pakistan strongly denies these charges. But nonetheless, Taliban fighters are coming through.

Edwards, of Jonesboro, Ga., plots their precise trail in the area under his command: Larzab, Tangay Kalay, Davudzay, Myrah, the Chalakoor Valley, Mizan.

Above Tangay Kalay, the machine guns of Staff Sgt. Leon Baudoux's squad were trained on the hamlet below and the mountain pass sloping southward into the Davudzay bowl.

"They are pretty good at hiding behind rocks and popping up every once in a while to spray (shoot) and pray," said Baudoux, of Saginaw, Mich.

But as the 12-hour operation proceeded past sheer rock faces and cascades of boulders, no insurgents popped up. Only four curious shepherd boys approached Baudoux's squad.

"Our problem is that it takes us too long to move from point A to point B. All it takes is one guy looking out through a window in a bazaar and calling in, 'They're coming,'" said 1st Lt. Jason Cunningham.

And that's what happened. As a long column of Humvees snaked around hills on its way to trap the Taliban, rumbling through villages past impassive bearded men and waving children, interpreters monitoring insurgents' radio transmissions could hear them warning each other of the Americans' approach.

The militants lay low or fled.

"The plan was solid," said Baudoux. "But there was no enemy. They knew we were coming."

Posted: 21 Apr 2007 01:10
by Rampy
Afghan Forces Clash With Pakistan Army Over Illegal Durrand Line Fence

http://www.india-defence.com/reports/3061

This should be the beginning to break Unpaki into pieces

Posted: 29 Apr 2007 19:13
by Gerard

Posted: 29 Apr 2007 19:14
by Gerard

Posted: 09 May 2007 03:29
by Raman
U.S. Apologizes for Raid on Afghan Civilians
A U.S. Army brigade commander in Afghanistan today told the families of 69 civilians who were killed or wounded by members of an elite Marine special forces unit in March that he is "deeply, deeply ashamed" about the incident, describing the series of shootings along a main civilian thoroughfare as a "terrible, terrible mistake."

Posted: 09 May 2007 03:36
by Raman
An interesting story, but it ends in a somewhat disconcerting note:
But for now, the American airmen are not losing any sleep over it. "When you are on top of the enemy you look, shoot and it's, 'You die, you die, you die'," Lt Denton said.

"The odds are on our side. I really enjoy it. I told my wife, if I could come home every night then this would be the perfect job."

Posted: 13 May 2007 10:58
by Sanjay M
Mullah Dadullah is yet again claimed to be killed in action:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6650755.stm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070513/ts_ ... taliban_dc

Let's see if it's true this time.

Posted: 13 May 2007 12:35
by Singha
from the US aircrews article:

For the coalition to continue to be successful, commanders must hope that the Taliban do not get their hands on the weaponry that has made life so perilous for pilots in Iraq, where more than 50 helicopters have been shot down since the start of the war
.

I am sure the US all-lie in rawalpindi and his chinese overlords will soon
fill this gap.