Posted: 06 Sep 2007 23:43
how far is the battle group on East Coast
90 mins - ???
wouldn't it be better to use a package from arkonam or KKD
90 mins - ???
wouldn't it be better to use a package from arkonam or KKD
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Thanks. Question - the maritime Jaguars - are they flown by IAF deputation or IN itself?tsarkar wrote:Avid - Officers of IAF Maritime Air Operations based out of Mumbai are regularly deployed on ships to coordinate operations since pre independence days. This fellow wears a Jaguar patch - probably deputed from No. 6
IAF.Avid wrote:Thanks. Question - the maritime Jaguars - are they flown by IAF deputation or IN itself?tsarkar wrote:Avid - Officers of IAF Maritime Air Operations based out of Mumbai are regularly deployed on ships to coordinate operations since pre independence days. This fellow wears a Jaguar patch - probably deputed from No. 6
Shankarbhau,launches the brahmos ,climbs up to 5000 ft ,gets shot at ,turns 180 degree at zero velocity to break the doppler lock and gets out ,the jag sneaks in the confusion and drops the nuke
No one is disputing what Vick is saying and he is right in stating that the Formidable Class has raised the bar for corvettes in the IOR.Surya wrote:All Vick is saying if the Singaporean ship performs better the navy needs to accelerate its projects to build ships of comparable charateristics.
What makes you say that? Any source/link?tsarkar wrote:http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/ ... 2D-140.jpg
Elta EL/L-8212 pod. 8212 is the pod and 8222 is the internal system.
http://www.israelaerospace.com/ELTA.asp ... 17&lang=en
The following link says 8212 is pod for small aircraft and 8222 is for large aircraft.JCage wrote:What makes you say that? Any source/link?tsarkar wrote:http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/ ... 2D-140.jpg
Elta EL/L-8212 pod. 8212 is the pod and 8222 is the internal system.
http://www.israelaerospace.com/ELTA.asp ... 17&lang=en![]()
IIRC, the 8212 is just a lower end SPJ while the higher end one is the 8222, both can be podded or used internally. Eg the Jaguar upgrades have an internal 8222.
I would like to be educated on why this is stated to be the case.Rakesh wrote:No one is disputing what Vick is saying and he is right in stating that the Formidable Class has raised the bar for corvettes in the IOR.Surya wrote:All Vick is saying if the Singaporean ship performs better the navy needs to accelerate its projects to build ships of comparable charateristics.
Thanks for spelling it out. That is what I was looking for. I see a whole lot of threads in which a pretty picture (or description) is posted with a comment about the item that is identified in language that suggests that it is "the best" or a "must have". That is then picked up by others and the item becomes the object of all comparison and all envy without any revelation of what makes it so. We have had thousands of MRCA posts based on this sort of issue.Vick wrote:Shiv, if you want the simple trivial answer, it's that the Formidable is the newest corvette in the IOR that has the typical hallmarks of what a modern warship, that's entering service in 2007, should have: LO features, reduced manning, network connectivity, crew comforts, hard/soft kill features, etc.
Even if one were to look at the Formidable with just layman's eyes (that goes googoo gaagaa over weaponery), one can see that the ship has 32 VLS, 8 ASMs, torpedoes and CIWS. That's not even looking at the modern radar, the full beam width hangar, towed sonar, etc.
There are navies out there who don't have flag destroyers with that much capabilitiies.
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Rakesh, the two pics of the P28 you put up don't agree with each other. One pic is showing a dual masted ship and the other is showing only a single mast. And why is the P28 carrying the Hind helo? Is there an ASW version of the Hind no one knows about?
Also, I brought this topic up before, according to the pics, the P28 will not have any guided missiles on board? That can't be right.
This is just a scenario but credible .To start with 5 sukhois are quite capable of neutralsiing the cap screen of super bugs .In a recent military exercise off the coast of okinawa 2 russian sukhoi vanila type penetrated the USN carrier screen and flew just over the deck and took photos of USN personnel on deck before being chased of bysuper bugs.Igorr might hekp me ocate the link to this news reportShankarbhau,
what you are suggesting is going to get the MKI fried! If it has to launch Brahmos @ low level, it has to get in too CLOSE since the Brahmos range at lo-lo profile is only around 120km and even here it will face danger from SAMs. To get to such LRSAM ranges, you are assuming that the MKI has already passed the Shornet APG 79 screen. Highly unlikely considering the hawkeye support that the shornets get.
I doubt your above scenario is viable.
TSarkar, we procured 8222s according to Elta, Navy and the IAF- all of whom confirmed the same. The 8212 is a smaller pod meant for light aircraft. Consequently, its performance is considered to be lower than the 8222 though exact details are classified. The Israelis hope to push the 8212 for light strike aircraft, light units which have payload restrictions, not to mention cost issues.tsarkar wrote:Jcage – These designations were used by Elta sales engineers while making their presentations to us. We procured 8212 pods. All have similar components and performance, so no high end or low end differentiation.
This can be optical distortion. I wouldnt make any comparisons unless both pods are kept side by side, besides which official documentation clearly states 8222.Sunil - From the pdf, you can notice that 8212 has sharp sides while 8222 has slightly rounded sides. The Harrier pod has sharp sides indicating 8212. That particular pylon on the Harrier protrudes forward and hence the 8212 appears longer than it actually is.
Are you trying to burn out their engines? Assuming even 2500 km round trip, that is about 1600-1700 km/hr. You want the SU-30 and Jaguar to supercruise all the way and back?At max pseed su can cover quite alot distance .Pune to vizag if I am not mistaken by shortest route is around 1000 kms and 2000 kms for a round trip .
Just a layman question......If the Sukhois were to take part in Malabar, wouldn't they have to switch on the BARs radar, and thus reveal the frequencies and other details to the USN. Wasn't this the primary concern and because of this the MKIs radars were switched off during the recent exercises with RAF.Shankar wrote: Day before at Lohegaon was held up for 2 hrs as 3 sukhois followed by two more sukhois and lone jaguar took off in quick sequence and headed for south easternly direction.The pilot said delay due closure of air space because of unscheduled exercise.tHE Sukhois were carrying winf tip R-73 dummy /training rounds black stripes on white background I think.
Assuming 25 minutes loss, i.e. close down before the take off and confirmation of close air space, to reopening after all landed. So say 2 hours, total of 3000 km (1500 km each way), that still is 1500 kmph about Mach 1.35. That is supercruise requirement. SU-30 can do this without afterburners? What about the Jag?as a bench mark actually we were delayed from 0750 hrs to 1015 hrs to be exact which is 2 hrs and 25 minutes -does that make the scenario more feasible
This was by a combined team of Jaguars of the IAF and F-18's. The same type of Jaguars that sank the USS Nimitz.IAF Jaguars ‘sink’ USS Nimitz, F-18s return the favour to INS Viraat
I wouldnt take the above description as anything reliable.uddu wrote:IAF Su-30 MKI is also taking part in the exercise. The F-16 seems to have got a kill when the MKI made a mistake. May be close combat.
IOW, our Sukhois did use the BARS radars in this engagement??The green light by India -- a trusted Cold War ally of Russia outside the Soviet bloc -- to the first-ever US proposals for common procedures for the drill was also a sign of new bonding between Western and Asian militaries, analysts said.
"Barely a month ago we ordered our Sukhois not to use their radar during an exercise in the United Kingdom because we feared the British would decipher our top-secret frequency codes," a top Indian airforce commander said.
"There's been a paradigm shift in mindsets," he added as US Navy Superhornets offered mid-air refuelling to Indian Sea Harrier combat aircraft.
I wouldnt be so sure. A few Sea Eagles can cripple a carrier if they hit it in the right spots. A carrier at even reduced speed and effectiveness will be a good blow.Singha wrote:a couple of Sea Eagles hitting the Nimitz wont do much other than destroying
a few ac on deck and closing ops for an hour until the junk is simply pushed
overboard.
A submarine popping up next to a carrier is imho, a far greater threat than a bunch of a/c penetrating its outer BARCAP.You need a spread of torpedoes to really hurt these CVNs or obese heavy
ASMs like Granit. the older AS-6 kingfish was itself big as Mig21 to me.