Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 17 May 2009 23:07

shiv wrote:Actually I think a BJP government would have been good news for Pakistan which would then try and do and equal equal with India and say that Pakistan has extremists who are angry at India's anti Muslim extremists.

Kaangress is bad baad news. IMHO

Don't worry. A donkey does worthwhile work only when a load is placed on its back (without a load they have to be dragged around). Pakistan and China will oblige - as usual. India will have no options.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 17 May 2009 23:10

Raju wrote:
India needed a muddle-headed, imageless party to take us through 2012 period.
Our cards are in place.

Saar, what is going to happen in the 2012 period?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 May 2009 23:24

vaman wrote:
Raju wrote:
India needed a muddle-headed, imageless party to take us through 2012 period.
Our cards are in place.
Saar, what is going to happen in the 2012 period?

Guess , Uncle, Chinkil will either have divorce and Pukes becoming orphan or they all become one joint family adopting mentally challenged baby=Pak. UQ as usual will be acting like Shakuni Mama or Kaido Langa .

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 17 May 2009 23:34

Guess , Uncle, Chinkil will either have divorce and Pukes becoming orphan or they all become one joint family adopting mentally challenged baby=Pak. UQ as usual will be acting like Shakuni Mama or Kaido Langa

Aha! Mummy and Daddy fighting for the custody of retarded child born during Churchill's one night stand with Djinnah

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 May 2009 23:44

vaman wrote:
Guess , Uncle, Chinkil will either have divorce and Pukes becoming orphan or they all become one joint family adopting mentally challenged baby=Pak. UQ as usual will be acting like Shakuni Mama or Kaido Langa
Aha! Mummy and Daddy fighting for the custody of retarded child born during Churchill's one night stand with Djinnah

Well Djinna was hell bent on pregnancy and Kaffir Chuchill was not familiar with the art of Azl. Rab millaye Jori, ek unna ( Blind) te ek Korri (lepor)

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 18 May 2009 00:52

America's survival put at risk

we must immediately present not only Pakistan, but also Iran and North Korea this ultimatum: In exchange for a hefty aid package, allow the internationally supervised destruction of any and all nuclear weapons and facilities, along with ongoing foolproof inspections, or we will destroy them together with any retaliatory capabilities we deem necessary.

Let everyone understand that our very survival as a modern nation is in grave peril and we will take any and all actions necessary to ensure our survival. Respecting the so-called sovereign rights of nations cannot even be a consideration when they pose a menace to our national security. Nor can Pakistan's professed need to be able to counter India's nuclear capabilities, especially since India threatens no one.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 18 May 2009 01:15

Indian RISAT: An Israeli spying machine

James B · Post by **James B** » 18 May 2009 01:22

Death From Above, Outrage Down Below

Op-ed in NYTimes by David Kilcullen

James B · Post by **James B** » 18 May 2009 02:32

Counter-insurgency training facilities developed: Kayani

Pakistan Army has developed a full range of counter-insurgency training facilities tailored to train troops for low-intensity conflicts, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Kayani said on Saturday.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 18 May 2009 03:36

Gerard wrote:Indian RISAT: An Israeli spying machine

The article says in two places

This spy satellite, which will basically target Pakistan, Afghanistan Iran, Bangladesh, China and other target countries of interest will help Indian, Israeli, Italian and US intelligence agencies to keep a watch on real time movement of important personalities, groups and other strategic cum tactical developments.

India has reportedly made secret agreements with US, UK, Israel and Italy with regard of selling sensitive imagery for the utilization of defence and security agencies.

I am a bit surprised about the Italian connection mentioned in the article. Is Italy really interested in the neighbourhood of India from intelligence point of view? The question is serious. I am not talking about any alleged connection between Sonia G and Italy

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 18 May 2009 03:46

The BJP makes the Pakistanis hyperventilate. Having them in power makes them do double takes when none is needed. I guess you can put it down to the behaviour of the guilty, who expects a slap at any moment.

Good that the congress is in power for now. (The BJP in its current form - leaderless / rudderless wouldn't have suited Indian interests that well). The Congress is slow Poison for pakistan. These guys will lull them into a deep sleep, which they have no hope of waking up from.

The BJP already set a framework and direction for India during their short stay in power - congress currently is just a status-quoist power and will keep following the set path - until Rahul Gandhi steps in and starts to assert himself.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 18 May 2009 04:00

r_subramanian wrote:
Gerard wrote:Indian RISAT: An Israeli spying machine
The article says in two places
This spy satellite, which will basically target Pakistan, Afghanistan Iran, Bangladesh, China and other target countries of interest will help Indian, Israeli, Italian and US intelligence agencies to keep a watch on real time movement of important personalities, groups and other strategic cum tactical developments.

India has reportedly made secret agreements with US, UK, Israel and Italy with regard of selling sensitive imagery for the utilization of defence and security agencies.
I am a bit surprised about the Italian connection mentioned in the article. Is Italy really interested in the neighbourhood of India from intelligence point of view? The question is serious. I am not talking about any alleged connection between Sonia G and Italy

I am not an expert but it seems that Italy (as a part of NATO) is in command of the counter-terrorist Operation 'Active Endeavour' in the Mediterranean. It is possible that RISAT orbit is crossing over the region and probably thats why Italy (and Israel) are interested.

Operation Active Endeavour

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 18 May 2009 04:17

Pakistan rejects as ‘mere fiction’ U.S TV report on nuclear arsenal

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 18 May 2009 04:29

The BJP already set a framework and direction for India during their short stay in power - congress currently is just a status-quoist power and will keep following the set path - until Rahul Gandhi steps in and starts to assert himself.

Good point. Pokhran II and the subsequent Chagai bums changed everything, permanently. The changes wrought are not irreversible, but they're close to it anyway.

AK ANthony's sudden flurry of activity in infra and other buildup along the PRC border 2007 onwards is comforting. We know GoI for all its failures in investigating and prosecuting terrorism cases and other internal security issues like Maoism, is not 100% asleep at the wheel when it comes to either TSP or PRC.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 18 May 2009 04:39

Pakistan has more terrorists per square meter than any other nation - says Katie Couric in 60 minutes today

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 May 2009 05:39

Taliban heading to Karachi for safety

Batches: “We come in different batches to Karachi to rest and if needed, get medical treatment, and stay with many of our brothers who are living here in large numbers,” 32-year-old Taliban Omar Gul Mehsud told AP.

Shah Jahan, a 35-year-old who said he commands about 24 Taliban fighters in South Waziristan Agency, said the Taliban were scattering throughout Pakistan to avoid the US missile strikes. He said groups of 20 to 25 fighters would fight for a few months, then take leaves of up to one month in cities including Karachi.

“We are more alert and cautious following the drone attacks, and we understand that it is not a wise approach to concentrate in a large number in the war-torn areas,” he said.

AoA!!! Karachi is turning out to be Cancun for talibs

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 18 May 2009 05:45

The nutty nation is always good for a daily dose of the giggles

'US special squad killed Benazir'

NEW YORK (Online) - Former prime minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto was assassinated on the orders of the special death squad formed by former US vice-president Dick Cheney, which had already killed the Lebanese Prime Minister Rafique Al Hariri and the army chief of that country.
The squad was headed by General Stanley McChrystal, the newly-appointed commander of US army in Afghanistan. It was disclosed by reputed US journalist Seymour Hersh while talking to an Arab TV in an interview.
Hersh said former US vice-president Cheney was the chief of the Joint Special Operation Command and he clear the way for the US by exterminating opponents through the unit and the CIA. General Stanley was the in-charge of the unit.
Seymour also said that Rafiq Al Hariri and the Lebanese army chief were murdered for not safeguarding the US interests and refusing US setting up military bases in Lebanon. Ariel Sharon, the then prime minister of Israel, was also a key man in the plot.
A number of websites around the world are suspecting the same unit for killing of Benazir Bhutto because in an interview with Al-Jazeera TV on November 2, 2007, she had mentioned the assassination of Usama Bin Laden, Seymour said. According to BB, Umar Saeed Sheikh murdered Usama, but her words were washed out from the David Frosts report, he said.
The US journalist opined that it might have been done on purpose because the US leadership did not like to declare Usama dead for in the case the justification of the presence of US army in Afghanistan could no more be there, hence no reason for operation against Taliban.
On the other hand, the diplomatic analysts believe that BB murder is still a fable and it is for the reason Asif Zardari and other govt authorities are stressing UN probe in the murder case, also paying huge sums for it.
Another website has disclosed that Benazir was put to death in order to roll back Pakistan nuclear programme and the take over its nukes and India, Israel and the US, were making hectic efforts to deprive Pakistan of its atomic capability so as to bring to under their control.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2009 07:45

pgbhat wrote:Taliban heading to Karachi for safety

AoA!!! Karachi is turning out to be Cancun for talibs

Pakhtuns are almost a third of the Karachi population. Sohrab Goth area is Pakhtun stronghold in Karachi where the Sind police do not enter. Even the PA has been reluctant to go there.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2009 08:38

Congress Victory and Pakistan - edit by Najam Sethi

. . . the electorate has fought shy of taking on Pakistan, with the resultant pressure on India’s communal scene, especially in Mumbai. The Congress has also swept Mumbai which tells us that the voters there don’t want communal strife.

By the yardstick of an enraged Indian media, Mr Singh was “soft” on Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks. But the fact is that he has taken a moderate tone while being tough on the question of punishing those who were finally identified as “non-state actors” from Pakistan. While post-election India will be in a better mood to pay heed to the international efforts to normalise relations with Pakistan — to begin with, lessen Indian military presence on the border — Pakistan may find itself challenged by Mr Singh’s insistence that Pakistan punish the Mumbai attack culprits.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 18 May 2009 08:40

Did anybody watch FAZ ( Fareed Zakaria) lobing lolly pops/ half voleys to Busharaff on GPS(CNN) Program?

Notice the body language of Busharaff at times blushing like Hjara (after GUBO)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2009 08:50

Radio Fazlullah

“Da paka army na ganda army da, da kafiran di dwee na sirf sar na di prekawol pakar balkai da dwee tukri tukri kol pakar di,” (They are not the Pak army, they are infidels, not only behead them but also chop their bodies up into little pieces); it was Maulana Shah Duran, a close-aide of Maulana Fazlullah, who delivered the speech.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2009 08:52

Deobandi clerics against Army operation in NWFP

The senior clerics, following the Deoband interpretation of Hanafi jurisprudence of Islam, thrashed out the current issues at a meeting that lasted for more than six hours at Jamia Binoria early Sunday.“The military operation and the drone attacks by the US-led forces are against Pakistan and, therefore, must be stopped,” demanded Qari Jalandhari at a press briefing held after the meeting. Deobandi scholars concluded that the real problem was the US army stationed in Afghanistan, its drone attacks into Pakistani territory and the government’s pro-US policy. They demanded that foreign interference into Pakistan’s internal affairs should be rejected altogether.

The clerics again invited the MQM to give proof about Taliban in Karachi

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 May 2009 08:52

John Snow wrote:Did anybody watch FAZ ( Fareed Zakaria) lobing lolly pops/ half voleys to Busharaff on GPS(CNN) Program?

Notice the body language of Busharaff at times blushing like Hjara (after GUBO)

Mushyrat 's body language betrayed weakness while claiming deterrant against Yindoos . FAz looking into his eyes made Mushiya uncomfy.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 May 2009 10:50

SSridhar wrote:Congress Victory and Pakistan - edit by Najam Sethi

Spinning at its best. But the TSP RAPE chutzpah in the face of such a brazen crime, just brusing it away, is truly galling. The b@%^&$d Jihadi Sethis knows it was an TSPA/ISI/LeT coordinated operation, and yet puts out this 'non state actor' horse manure.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 May 2009 11:47

Interesting to see that the US fears the un-uniformed jihadis getting their hands on Pakistan’s nuclear weapons but does not appear to fear the present situation where the uniformed jihadis have control of the nuclear weapons.

Perhaps an un-uniformed jihadi takeover of Pakistan is in India’s interest as instead of all Pakistan’s nuclear weapons being targeted at India as at present some nuclear weapons presently aimed at India will be retargeted onto Crusaders, Zionists and Kaafir Shia’s and other un-uniformed jihadi bugbears :

May 18, 2009

Pakistan Is Rapidly Adding Nuclear Arms, U.S. Says

By THOM SHANKER and DAVID E. SANGER

WASHINGTON — Members of Congress have been told in confidential briefings that Pakistan is rapidly adding to its nuclear arsenal even while racked by insurgency, raising questions on Capitol Hill about whether billions of dollars in proposed military aid might be diverted to Pakistan’s nuclear program.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, confirmed the assessment of the expanded arsenal in a one-word answer to a question on Thursday in the midst of lengthy Senate testimony. Sitting beside Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, he was asked whether he had seen evidence of an increase in the size of the Pakistani nuclear arsenal.

“Yes,” he said quickly, adding nothing, clearly cognizant of Pakistan’s sensitivity to any discussion about the country’s nuclear strategy or security.

Inside the Obama administration, some officials say, Pakistan’s drive to spend heavily on new nuclear arms has been a source of growing concern, because the country is producing more nuclear material at a time when Washington is increasingly focused on trying to assure the security of an arsenal of 80 to 100 weapons so that they will never fall into the hands of Islamic insurgents. ………………………….

New York Times

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 May 2009 12:07

SSridhar wrote:Deobandi clerics against Army operation in NWFP

And three days prior to this story, Daily Times was reporting that the also Sunni Hanafi Barelvis were doing the opposite of the Sunni Hanafi Deobandis and supporting the actions of the Pakistani Security Forces:

Barelvis extend support to Swat operation

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2009 15:44

arun wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Deobandi clerics against Army operation in NWFP
And three days prior to this story, Daily Times was reporting that the also Sunni Hanafi Barelvis were doing the opposite of the Sunni Hanafi Deobandis and supporting the actions of the Pakistani Security Forces:

Barelvis extend support to Swat operation

A part of the objective of establishing a Caliphate is to exterminate the Berelvi, Shi'a, Sufi & Ahmedi factions. The Wahhabi/Deobandi sects are together in this.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 May 2009 17:19

Pakistani Muslim clerics pronounce a fatwa against the IEDology of Pakistan

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Not that it is going to make a difference.

Back in 2005 some of the very same clerics like Dr. Sarfaraz Naeemi and Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman supported a fatwa that declared suicide bombing in Pakistan, but not in Palestine or Kashmir

, as Un-Islamic:

Pakistani Fatwa Against Suicide Bombing

We on BR all know that the number of IED Mubarak’s in Pakistan since then was no way near zero.

The article on the current fatwa declaring the IEDology of PakistaN Un-Islamic is here:

Ulema term suicide attacks, beheading un-Islamic

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 May 2009 17:24

Pak recognises 'threat' from Taliban more serious than India

Washington, May 18 (PTI) US President Barack Obama has said that he is encouraged by the "decided shift" in Pakistan Army's recognition that the "threat" from Taliban was "much more immediate and serious" than it faced from India.
"One of the encouraging things is, over the last several weeks we've seen a decided shift in the Pakistan Army's recognition that the threat from extremism is a much more immediate and serious one than the threat from India that they've traditionally focused on," Obama said in an interview to Newsweek aboard Air Force One.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 May 2009 17:28

Jamaat asks masses to oppose military action

PESHAWAR: Jamaat-e-Islami chief Syed Munawar Hassan has urged the political forces, rights organisations and masses of the country to speak out against ongoing military operation in Malakand Division, as issues could not be resolved through use of force.

“The military operation in Swat, Buner and Dir Lower should be immediately stopped and the displaced families e allowed and facilitated to go back home. The unanimous resolution of parliament regarding the issue should be implemented in toto and the government must quit the US-led war against terror and protect and promote our nuclear programme ,” Munawar Hassan told a news conference here on Sunday.

He said it was a matter of serious concern that about two million people had been made homeless in their own country due to the guns of the security forces. “Hundreds of people have been killed in the name of militants and Taliban and no one is allowed to speak against the operation,” he said.

adityaS · Post by **adityaS** » 18 May 2009 17:41

arun wrote: The article on the current fatwa declaring the IEDology of PakistaN Un-Islamic is here:

Ulema term suicide attacks, beheading un-Islamic

What does this mean?

Rehman further said that practice to surrender before the gunpoint should end and urged a decisive offensive agains [sic] the militants.

Are those with uniforms practising to surrender to the ones without?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2009 18:30

Flight of the Falcon

I first thought it was a novel.

‘Group Captain, give me your Swiss bank account number,’ the vice president of a Fortune 40 company asks Sajad Haider, Pakistan’s air attaché at Washington DC in the 70s. ‘Get out of my office,’ Sajad tells the American. ’I’ll have your company black-listed.’ Sajad kicks up such a ruckus that the president of that company comes running on bended knees. He fires his VP for offering the bribe.

The sacked man gangs up with touts…Pakistanis, Iranians and Americans wanting to make a quick buck from salacious defence deals being offered to Pakistan Air Force. The ticking time bomb against Sajad goes off. Sahibzada Yaqub Khan, the ambassador, tells his air attaché ‘the Shah of Iran wants you to be court marshaled!’ He has personally complained to Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto (ZAB) when they met at Izmir. ‘Remove him immediately and punish him severely for his seditious remarks against me,’ the Shah orders ZAB. Shah’s son-in-law Ardeshir Zahedi, the Iranian ambassador in Washington is stunned. He’s a good friend of Sajad’s. It’s later discovered that a Savak operative from Zahedi’s embassy with a hotline to the Shah has made up this horrendous lie.

Sajad Haider misses the firing squad narrowly. He had faced it before when his own chief framed him, threw him in solitary confinement, in a conspiracy to overthrow ZAB. ‘I was charged with treason and inciting mutiny,’ says the exonerated war hero who lives and love dangerously. Imagine having someone called Mercedes Miranda as his fiancé! He discovers the conduit for kick-backs from Japan paid to the family of holier than thou dictator Zia. At a meeting our decorated hero stands up and castigates Zia for his brutality against the press and PPP. ‘I tell the dictator on his face that I don’t feel pride in my uniform anymore after being in PAF for 28 years.’ Zia has him sacked!

Air Commodore (R) Sajad Haider, 76, has now come out with a book spilling the names of ‘heroes & villains’ of Pakistan. Flight of the Falcon is a racy narrative dripping with events and names we all recognise. ‘The sequence of events unfolded as I researched deeper into soiled pages of history, darkened by untruth, superimposed by those who wielded power during their epoch.’ Refusing to shrink away from the hardest truth, the book paints broad strokes of negativity against Ayub Khan, ZAB, Aziz Ahmad, Gohar Ayub and their collaborators .’Mine is an incisive and no holds barred analysis of the strategic and tactical blunders of 1965 and 1971 military operations. I’ve sifted myths from truth. I have dismantled ‘spectacular successes and acts of valour’ claimed by those who are liars. Because there is no book informing the young generation who the real heroes and the villains are, I have candidly and without fear of contradiction or retribution chronicled the history as I witnessed it unfold.’

Flight of the Falcon will soon hit the bookstalls and the author is sure to get hit on the head by those whom he has exposed. He’s ready for the implosion. Earlier, a well-known publisher returned his manuscript saying that ‘there was too much truth, too harshly told, and it spared no one whether it was a field marshal, general, air marshal, admiral or political czar. This was too much for them to risk as their sales would be affected,’ Sajad tells me. He defends his first-person narrative by saying he interviewed Air Chief Marshals Asghar Khan, Nur Khan, Rahim Khan (while he was alive) and Abbas Khattak. ‘Plus a dozen younger ones to establish the truth or to demolish myths with total consensus. All the former chiefs were upfront in accepting their faults and errors and said I could say what I felt was correct in retrospect from analysis carried out.’ Opinions have only been made in generalities about Pakistan’s descent into oblivion, he continues. ‘I have lot more evidence on what can be controversial and if challenged, my detractors will have to be prepared for more exposure. Discretion and caution will then have to be cast away by me.’

His journey begins with Jinnah’s speech in Quetta on defending Pakistan. ‘He was my real hero.’ The scrawny, gaunt kid watching Polish pilots’ dogfights over Quetta during World War 2nd was so ‘smitten by those pilots in their Spitfires’ that he vowed to become one. His physician father laughed it off. ‘I was the first to become a fighter pilot from Balochistan.’ Asghar Khan and Nur Khan were his heroes. ‘There was no nepotism, no corruption, no coercion,’ he says, ‘performance in the air was all that was required for your progress.’ But sadly the Americans coerced President Ayub Khan to facilitate the establishment of a spy base at Bedaber in Peshawar with U2 fighter planes operating out of there.’ That to Sajad is the beginning of the American dictation. ‘We traded our sovereignty for preservation of a dictator and we’ve never looked back.’ The Americans have always let down Pakistan.

The problems as we see in the fractured and tormented Pakistan today has its rudiments laid in those days and weeks after Quaid’s death. ‘Ostensibly, with the advice of a radical Maudoodi disciple Chaudhary Mohammad Ali, Liaquat Ali Khan instead of giving the nation a visionary constitution based on the Quaid’s 11th August exhortations, opted to appease the radical Muslims. By default the real beneficiaries became the Quaid haters, in particular the Islamist from Maudoodi’s Wahabi cabal, the Ahrars, Khaksar and all other bigots of religiosity,’ says Sajad ‘ and you have the results before you today.’

Will someone come forward to challenge Sajad Haider’s Flight of the Falcon? There’s enough fodder for a duel from those who disagree with the author. Truth can set us free.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 May 2009 18:38

SSridhar wrote:Flight of the Falcon

‘Ostensibly, with the advice of a radical Maudoodi disciple Chaudhary Mohammad Ali, Liaquat Ali Khan instead of giving the nation a visionary constitution based on the Quaid’s 11th August exhortations, opted to appease the radical Muslims. By default the real beneficiaries became the Quaid haters, in particular the Islamist from Maudoodi’s Wahabi cabal, the Ahrars, Khaksar and all other bigots of religiosity,’ says Sajad ‘ and you have the results before you today.’

That's a mistake many make. Jinnah promised Shariah to Maudoodi and the Pirs of NWFP. He asked Maulana Usmani to unfurl the Pakistani flag in Karachi. He, personally might not have been a rigid follower of Islam but he did everything to create a theocratic state and his admirers cannot claim otherwise.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 May 2009 18:42

Pakistan is becoming very good not just at shooting itself in the foot, but now shooting the US itself.

Obama is WAY too early in his update that the Pakistanis see the internal threat as being greater than India. Hahahahaha what a joke. May be he can be now invited to give a commencement speech at Isloo Univ, talk about how it is important to reduce suicide bombing and get a hon. degree conferred too, why not, while there might as well.

The US has a very inept set of thinkers and are very rapidly sliding into a set of suicidal thinkers. As they TRY and solve one problem - which they do not - Pakistan comes up with another, which the US is not prepared for.

And, of course, pumping Billions into a problem which itself is the problem.

Watch: In another 3 months Obama will need Indian advise to pull himself out of this mess. I see a bigger role for India.

I suggest Obama manufacture tons of duct tape and sends it to Pakistan. It just MAY be a better solution. Neither his eco aid nor his build-up will work now.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 May 2009 18:43

SSridhar wrote: Flight of the Falcon

The scrawny, gaunt kid watching Polish pilots’ dogfights over Quetta during World War 2nd was so ‘smitten by those pilots in their Spitfires’ that he vowed to become one.

hmmm... perhaps Jagan can shed light on this. Polish fighter pilots maybe, quetta maybe, but dogfights over quetta? what is he talking about?

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 18 May 2009 18:49

AoA why the hell they surrendered first and these are the best?

http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22192

Family members of martyred Captain Najam Riaz have made a shocking disclosure about the alleged involvement of an important administrative official of Malakand in the killing of four SSG commandos at the hands of Taliban last week.

The heroic tale of brave commandos reveals how the valiant soldiers had broken the necks of eight Taliban, once they realised that they were about to be beheaded. The mother of Shaheed Captain Najam told The News while sitting in her village house, amid tears in her eyes, that she would have even sacrificed ten sons for the sake of Pakistan and she was proud of her 24-year old son, who before going to Swat had told her not to weep over her body as he knew he was going on a journey of martyrdom.

“Our Shaheed captain told that the important official of Malakand had come to meet the Taliban when they were in their possession. The official considered to be darling of the Taliban had told his friends to keep the four SSG commandos with them but return their weapons”, one of the family members of the martyred Captain told The News.

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adityaS · Post by **adityaS** » 18 May 2009 18:58

Lalmohan wrote: hmmm... perhaps Jagan can shed light on this. Polish fighter pilots maybe, quetta maybe, but dogfights over quetta? what is he talking about?

Yes, that surprised me, too - the only reference I could quickly find was that there was a significant Polish refugee presence in India till the war ended.

The Polish deportees of World War II

Since most of the younger people would have been serving in their armed forces, maybe they served in some RAF squadrons based in Quetta? I'm sure one of the more knowledgeable jingos could elaborate.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 18 May 2009 19:09

Taliban move forces eastward into Battagram - Long War Journal

As the fighting between the Pakistani military and the Taliban heats up in the war-torn district of Swat, the Taliban has moved a small force eastward into the district of Battagram.

More than 150 Taliban fighters advanced into the northern district on May 14, linked up with local supporters, and attacked a police checkpoint in Batta Mori. The Taliban force quickly captured the four policemen on duty, took control of the checkpoint, and seized the policemen’s rifles and ammunition.

The Taliban then threatened to torture and behead the policemen, according to a report in The News. The police were released after they promised to quit their jobs. The Taliban then torched the checkpoint.

The checkpoint was established to block a Taliban advance into the district after fighting broke out in the neighboring districts of Shangla and Buner, as well as in nearby Swat and Dir.

Unnamed Pakistani sources close to President Zardari claimed the Army was moving six brigades of troops from the border with India to help halt the Taliban movement from the combat zone. But President Zardari himself contradicted these reports and said there were no more troops available for the fighting in Swat. General Pervez Kiyani, the Chief of Army Staff, confirmed Zardari's statement when he told parliament that no troops would be moved from the Indian border despite guarantees by the international community that India would not attack Pakistan.

US military and intelligence officials said the Taliban attack in Battagram highlights the disorganization and lack of planning behind the Swat operation.

“Clearly the military launched the Swat operation due to international pressure a need to show progress against the Taliban as President Zardari visited the US, and not out fear of the Taliban’s advance,” a US intelligence official told The Long War Journal.

“If they were serious, they would have deployed the forces to block any potential Taliban retreat or redeployment prior to kicking off the operation,” the official continued. “Instead they talked of moving forces after the fighting began, but then again we’re not even convinced they are moving significant forces.”

Other officials said the Battagram incident shows the military isn’t serious about the operation. “They put four police officers at an outpost when its well known the Taliban are attacking in large formations?,” a military officer who is tracking the situation in Pakistan said in disbelief. “Have they been paying attention to what has happened in their own country over the past few years?”

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 May 2009 20:26

Taliban move forces eastward into Battagram - Long War Journal

This Pakistani behavior was/is predictable, surprising that the US did not expect it. Notice that the Pakistanis do just enough to please and thus quell the US voice, then back to square 0.

Now, only if this can happen in quicker succession.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 May 2009 20:54

SSridhar wrote:Congress Victory and Pakistan - edit by Najam Sethi

. . . the electorate has fought shy of taking on Pakistan, with the resultant pressure on India’s communal scene, especially in Mumbai. The Congress has also swept Mumbai which tells us that the voters there don’t want communal strife.

By the yardstick of an enraged Indian media, Mr Singh was “soft” on Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks. But the fact is that he has taken a moderate tone while being tough on the question of punishing those who were finally identified as “non-state actors” from Pakistan. While post-election India will be in a better mood to pay heed to the international efforts to normalise relations with Pakistan — to begin with, lessen Indian military presence on the border — Pakistan may find itself challenged by Mr Singh’s insistence that Pakistan punish the Mumbai attack culprits.

Ah the elevated sense of self importance that the Pakis have. All an element of H&D. Voters voted for congress, because they didnt give a rats musharraf about Pakistan or how congress dealt with Pakistan. A mandate for congress is not a mandate for "being soft on pakistan", the mandate for congress is despite being soft on Pakistan. So in the scheme of things Pakistan figures way way below in the list. Way below Re 1 per Kg of rice, and certainly way below free color TVs in TN.