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US Department of Justice photo of Sajid Mir the Pakistani Army officer and ISI agent who directed the terrorists over the phone during 26/11 massacres:http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/hot/us_ ... hoto_2.pdf


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SwamyG, Can you mind map the many DCH and Rana mtgs as reported in the tweets?
Just have two circles, one DCH and other Rana and draw a number of arrows with date and gist of mtg on the arrow.
Thanks in advance.
ramana
Just have two circles, one DCH and other Rana and draw a number of arrows with date and gist of mtg on the arrow.
Thanks in advance.
ramana
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US Judge orders release of all sealed documents pertaining to Headley/Rana.
This is good news. The Chicago Tribune filed a case arguing that there was no need for secrecy. The docs were sealed to cover up more detailed evidence of ISI-LeT ties. Let's see what turns up.
This is good news. The Chicago Tribune filed a case arguing that there was no need for secrecy. The docs were sealed to cover up more detailed evidence of ISI-LeT ties. Let's see what turns up.
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^^^ Good news indeed,
The first to be released is the so-called Santiago proffer, which is a roadmap of evidence to be presented at trial
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That Santiago Proffer is 57 pages long and the defense response to that is 9 pages long. Anyone has time to go through these?
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Defense trying to paint Headley/Lashkar as Salafi Muslims and Rana as a Deobandi Muslim with incompatible world view re: Jihad #Ranatrial


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You should link the two docs directly so people in Mumbai, India can read. You have done the effort to find them.
Please do a little more.
Please do a little more.
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Can anyone with US legal knowledge interpret these documents? A journalist friend tells me that upto ~70 more documents maybe released over time, including transcripts of all phone calls included in evidence, photos of pigLeTs, phone#s of suspects etc.
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The Santiago Proffer
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The defense response
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A brief description of as to what is a Santiago Proffer
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The defense response
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A brief description of as to what is a Santiago Proffer
The Santiago Proffer is not a new block buster book by John Grisham. It is not a courtroom thriller starring Tom Cruise. It is a boring legal filing. It is mostly used in conspiracy cases; especially organized crime or political corruption. Proffers are outlines of evidence to be presented by the prosecution. The Santiago Proffer is a very specific and detailed outline. It is a road map to the prosecution’s case. It states the bulk of a prosecutor’s case. It may contain statements of cooperating co-conspirators, witnesses, or other evidence not presented earlier. It connects the dots between all the co-conspirators, witnesses, and evidence to the defendant. Prosecutors try to keep a Santiago Proffer under seal from the public for various reasons.
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R, Open a new thread as repositary of the Rana trial evidence for future use.
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Pdf Links ...(Edited later: Leaving the message here but BijuSeth links below are more convenient)
Government's Santiago Proffer
Defendant's Santiago Response
Government's Santiago Proffer
Defendant's Santiago Response
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Just to add a little more to Saisaars links
Direct link to the PDFs :
1) Govts Santiago Proffer (57 pages pdf doc)
2) Defendants Santiago Response (9 pages pdf doc)
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The Rana Trial is dramabazi for sake of entrancing India. The charges are Rana-Headley- Pak gang. None of the pak gang is in US custody.
Headley is the middleman/conduit who turned approver(using India terms). Not much yet to link Rana directly to Pak gang without Headley. Rana is charged in two of these counts as a co-conspirator. The rest of the stuff is to put ISI on the dock due to falling out between US and TSP.
Most likely Rana will get some term(a few years) to be safely out of Indian hands. India under PC will seek access to the rascal/miscreant with US officials there to ensure no questions get real answers.
lets see.
parkaalam.
Headley is the middleman/conduit who turned approver(using India terms). Not much yet to link Rana directly to Pak gang without Headley. Rana is charged in two of these counts as a co-conspirator. The rest of the stuff is to put ISI on the dock due to falling out between US and TSP.
Most likely Rana will get some term(a few years) to be safely out of Indian hands. India under PC will seek access to the rascal/miscreant with US officials there to ensure no questions get real answers.
lets see.
parkaalam.
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The proffer is in legalese only up to page 18. After that it is a narration of training of Rana, his interaction with various pakis etc.
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Yes I read both of them before I posted the above conclusion.
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Rana's lawyers will say/argue : Yes he (Rana) knew Daoud Gilani now known as Daivd Headley from childhood. Yes he hated India due to his being a Pakistani citizen, member of armed forces, 1971 war etc. DCH was the often going to Paksitan and indulging in activities. He provided travel agency cover as he hated India. What ever DCH did he did on his own volition. All this conspiracy is nonsense. The guy used to come and tell him about his escapades and as a childhood friend he used to listen to him. Any Pakstani would be glad at the Mumbai attacks so whats new? He neither participated nor directly helped in the actual attack. All this is DCH throwing the blame on him to evade his own culpabity in all the attack.
The prosecution will come back with those wiretaps and say what were you thinking? here you are participating in the plan. We can set aside the Mumbai attack due to reasonable doubt but what about palns to attack Denmark. You were definitely caught range haath planning the attack.
Judge will give seven to ten years (no parole) for planning the Denmark attack.
Three years later he will get released for good behaviour in jail -teaching sufi music to prisoners. Some US agency will get him working in a travel agency in Chile to channel jihadis through South America.
He is after all Deobandi!
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Rana's lawyers will say/argue : Yes he (Rana) knew Daoud Gilani now known as Daivd Headley from childhood. Yes he hated India due to his being a Pakistani citizen, member of armed forces, 1971 war etc. DCH was the often going to Paksitan and indulging in activities. He provided travel agency cover as he hated India. What ever DCH did he did on his own volition. All this conspiracy is nonsense. The guy used to come and tell him about his escapades and as a childhood friend he used to listen to him. Any Pakstani would be glad at the Mumbai attacks so whats new? He neither participated nor directly helped in the actual attack. All this is DCH throwing the blame on him to evade his own culpabity in all the attack.
The prosecution will come back with those wiretaps and say what were you thinking? here you are participating in the plan. We can set aside the Mumbai attack due to reasonable doubt but what about palns to attack Denmark. You were definitely caught range haath planning the attack.
Judge will give seven to ten years (no parole) for planning the Denmark attack.
Three years later he will get released for good behaviour in jail -teaching sufi music to prisoners. Some US agency will get him working in a travel agency in Chile to channel jihadis through South America.
He is after all Deobandi!
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I wont be surprised if Rana is acquitted. As far as I can see Rana is accused of providing material support to conspirators. I dont think govt has a strong case proving Rana knowingly participated and provided material support. Evidence appears to be mostly circumstantial.
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Thanks Saip. My take too. However to keep him out of Indian hands he will get some token prison term for his Denmark plot participation.
For this crap they gave plea bargain to DCH!
Looks like there were other reasons.
For this crap they gave plea bargain to DCH!
Looks like there were other reasons.
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Ramanaji - Sorry, I am seeing these kind of messages again and again....... However to keep him out of Indian hands he will get some token prison term for his Denmark plot participation.
For this crap they gave plea bargain to DCH!
Let me put some of my thoughts ...
I, for one am glad, that they are not in "Indian Hands".. one only has to remember Jaswant Singhji escorting Azar, Saeed Seikh and Zargar to Kandhar.
Above is, of course, not an isolated event. How long it took, even to try scums of 92-93 Mumbai blast (or any other terrorist event for that mater) .. and how many are in jail?
DCH's plea bargain is that he will not get a death penalty (BTW Illinois now does not have death penalty !)... he is not going to get out soon. Life without parole is likely outcome.
Indian authorities, by all accounts, were satisfied by their access to DCH.
Rana, I think, is looking for a long jail term (like life).. We will see as trial is still going on... but at present India (and US) both should watch every evidence/lead/intelligence gathered from this trial. If new leads come out, they should be followed and if need be, arrests etc can follow in India if any criminals are discovered.
Evil is not in US justice system (or in India's) .. it is in Paki scums.
JMHO
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Amber G. wrote:Ramanaji - Sorry, I am seeing these kind of messages again and again....... However to keep him out of Indian hands he will get some token prison term for his Denmark plot participation.
For this crap they gave plea bargain to DCH!
Let me put some of my thoughts ...
DCH's plea bargain is that he will not get a death penalty (BTW Illinois now does not have death penalty !)... he is not going to get out soon. Life without parole is likely outcome.
JMHO
This is a federal trial where capital punishment does exist not a state trial.
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But because of the plea deal he wont be 'eligible' for the death penalty.
Ramana, on page 33 it only said 'they attempted to fire'. May be they never opened fire and so it was never reported to the authorities. Also, it might have happened near the Paki water border and fishermen might have thought they are fishing in paki waters and took evasive action.
Ramana, on page 33 it only said 'they attempted to fire'. May be they never opened fire and so it was never reported to the authorities. Also, it might have happened near the Paki water border and fishermen might have thought they are fishing in paki waters and took evasive action.
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Yes, I am aware of that, my point was just for perspective (that many states do not have capital punishment) ...and not dismiss everything as a mere drama/ token prison sentence etc... HThkomal wrote: This is a federal trial where capital punishment does exist not a state trial.
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Also, this is a jury trial -- 8 women, 4 men most of them minorities. It would be difficult to influence all of them. If found guilty the Federal judge has to follow the sentencing guidelines.
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As was done with Sen, GoI can offer to appoint Rana to the Planning Commission or the Minorities Commission. He is after all an expert both on security and minority affairs
, and that should get them all the access they need.

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Glass is half-empty, glass is half-full. Either way at least there is something in the glass!
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You don't need to influence *all* of them. I am not up on the rules but it used to take *one* dissenting juror to hang the jury. Maybe rules have changed and it takes 2 or 3, but the point is that to hang a jury and force a mistrial/re-trial can be accomplished if the stakes are high and the party in question has ways and means.saip wrote:Also, this is a jury trial -- 8 women, 4 men most of them minorities. It would be difficult to influence all of them. If found guilty the Federal judge has to follow the sentencing guidelines.
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You missed my point. What I am saying is either he has to be acquitted or convicted. And if convicted the judge follows the guidelines. Yes you only need one dissenting juror for a hung jury as this is a criminal trial
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It is not just about justice. I doubt some of the Indian authorities really care for justice, they would like to stuff Bhut Jolokia in their orifices and extract data to piece together information, validate existing intel and corroborate ityadi ityadi. Punishing them as per the laws of the land will give some people happiness, but do you think that is the goal for the RAW and others? Naah. However, once Indian authorities have extracted all the juice from them, then whatever punish they met would be a powerful show and tell though.Amber G. wrote: I, for one am glad, that they are not in "Indian Hands".. one only has to remember Jaswant Singhji escorting Azar, Saeed Seikh and Zargar to Kandhar.
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Evil is not in US justice system (or in India's) .. it is in Paki scums.
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An 09 surveillance tape played had Headley-Rana laughing whilst talking plots. Rana visibly distraught when H testified re: boyhood meeting.
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Headley testifies that Maj. Iqbal didn't wear uniform, didn't carry military I.D., didn't meet in militar HQs. #Ranatrial
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Headley says that Major Iqbal did drive in a miltary jeep and they were introduced in a compound affiliated with Khyber Rifles. #Ranatrial
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Defense raised a good question: How did Headley know that ISI Major Iqbal was truly a Pak govt official? #Ranatrial
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If you want a synosis of all Headley plot see PDF I've posted with this story. http://tgam.ca/C294 Richly detailed USDOJ doc.#Ranatrial
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In 2006 Headley told Rana ISI's Major Iqbal would underwrite new Mumbai branch of Chi office.Win-Win:patriotic + cost effective. #Ranatrial
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(Just skip the legalese up top.... Headley/ISI/LET/AQ/etc its all in the body of the doc.) #Ranatrial
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If you want a synopis of all the Headley plot see PDF I've posted with this story. http://tgam.ca/C294 Richly detailed USDOJ doc.#Ranatrial
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Headley says he suggested to ISI handlers that he/they could use Rana's Chicago business for cover. #Ranatrial
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"It was lucky for them they caught me at that time," says Headley of ISI explaining he had just filed for new US passport in2006.#Ranatrial
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ISI drawn to Headley because he was a white-skinned American citizen who spoke Urdu, Punjabi, Hindi, English. #Ranatrial
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Says he was trained at two storey white "safehouse" in residential neighbourhoood of Lahore. #Ranatrial
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Headley testifies ISI's Iqbal taught him cover authentification, surveillance, countersurveillance, dead drops, encryption, etc.#Ranatrial
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Major Iqbal "looked at my notes I had made from my LET training and expressed dissatisfaction," Headley testifies. #Ranatrial
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In Jan 06 Headley was introduced to ISI Major Iqbal. Q. Did ISI provide you training? A. Yes. #Ranatrial
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Defense trying to paint Headley/Lashkar as Salafi Muslims and Rana as a Deobandi Muslim with incompatible world view re: Jihad #Ranatrial
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Q. You said I'm going to mosques ,working for you? A. Yes. #Ranatrial (Guess it worked ...)
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After 9/11 FBI questioned Headley after hearing he was talking about fighting jihad.Deflected scruitiny by saying he was US spy. #Ranatrial
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Headley says he stopped working for US DEA in 2002. Had already been involved with Lashkar for two years at that time. #Ranatrial
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In Pak, Headley starts gravitating to Lashkar-e-Taiba but doesn't tell DEA that. Stresses he wasn't working for DEA ALL the time.#Ranatrial
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In 1999 Headley returns to Pakistan, this time as an undercover agent for the US Drug Enforcement Agency. #Ranatrial
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In 1990s US govt busts Headley or dealing drugs. Dr. Rana comes to rescue, pays bail. "He posted his house," Headley says. #Ranatrial
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In 1984 Headley dupes Dr. Rana to coming to Pak frontiers with him. Felt latter's military ID useful in order to avoid searches. #Ranatrial
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In 1984 Headley visits Pak with intent to become heroin dealer. #Ranatrial
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Headley-Rana met in schoolyard when Headley in a fight. Rana was surprised to learn a white boy could swear like that. #Ranatrial
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Cross examination has begun! Headley asked how he met his best friend in world, Dr. Rana. #Ranatrial
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! Headley asked why he was arrested carrying book"How to Pray like a Jew.""I thought I might visit synagogues in Copenhagen." #Ranatrial
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Canadian admired Mumbai-massacre tactics, U.S. court hears tgam.ca/C294 /via @globeandmail
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Wrinkle #2 was Headley's Pak visa, but he gets it in Oct 09. And goes too Philly to fly out. #Ranatrial
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Wrinkle #1 is fear that AQ-tied Ilyas Kashmiri was dead due to CIA drone. But he turns up alive and Headley-Rana happy. #Ranatrial
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It's Fall 09 and Headley and Rana are trying to get him a visa so he can get guidance from "Pasha" -- Pak Army/LET/AQ tied guy #Ranatrial
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Bad moble coverage means bad Twitter coverage.Trial really bogged down in deciphering Headley's inscrutable intercepted convos. #Ranatrial
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Pakistan Spy Agency Denies Aiding Mumbai Attacks: A Pakistani intelligence official on Wednesday dismissed accus... http://bit.ly/mcHjk9
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Lunchbreak. #Ranatrial
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It was also expressed that an attack on National Defence College in India would "kill more brigadiers" than in 4 Indo-Pak wars. #Ranatrial
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Headley was overheard mulling list of targets. Temple in Gujarat. Shiv Sena. Bollywood. Copenhagen. #Ranatrial
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Sept09 No one seems to be able to get in touch with Illyas Kashmiri in Waziristan Headley tells Rana in car. #Ranatrial
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By Sept 09 police have bugged Rana's car in Chicago. Headley caught saying 2 men he met in England are missing amid drone strikes in Pak.
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Headley's ISI handler, Major Iqbal,broke contact in March."I have yet to come across a coward like him,"Headley gripes in email.#Ranatrial
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When prosecutor asked Headley why he wanted to do this, Headley said "I wanted a lot of reward from God." #Ranatrial
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"I like option B. I can do it on my own. I can do it easily," Headley emails his Pakistani initimates. #Ranatrial
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Plan B Headley wrote was "more economical, more effective since we were having trouble w/ manpower and weaponry." #Ranatrial
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Instead of terrorists storming newspaper, Headley considers "Plan B" -- asassinating cartoonist/cultural editor. #Ranatrial
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Headley mulled scalin down Denmark ambitions. #Ranatrial
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Headley can't get promised help from jihadis in Denmark/UK. Low funds. Doing recce on bicycle. #Ranatrial
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In Summer 09 Headley frustrated with Lashkar for not approving plot to attack Denmark."Esprit de corps is screwed up" he writes. #Ranatrial
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Soo.... Catching up
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Bala = Maj. Iqbal Bala's Co. = ISI "They" = Lashkar e Taiba. #Ranatrial
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Gem of a coded msg from Headley. "They will never do business without Mr. Bala's company ... Mr. Bala's co. will beat them up." #Ranatrial
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Lost signal. Hopefully back now.
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Guess this means that FBI/NSA was up on Headley's phones in Aug 09. H being made to read tscripts of his own (eliptical) convos. #Ranatrial
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Jury has been handed book of 26/11 trancripted conversations to follow along. Headley being made to read from some of them. #Ranatrial
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And after a short break, we're back on at the #Ranatrial
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Sajid Mir was in Karachi with LET's Abu Qadafa on 26/11 coaching attackers by phone."He was watching what was going on in India."#Ranatrial
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(By the way I'm using phonetic / best guess spellings of tricky/unfamiliar names so feel free to correct me.) #Ranatrial
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Rana alleged to reply Sajid Mir was tactically a "KhalidbinWhalid" -- reference to prophet's general. #Ranatrial
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Headley says Sajid told him this personally and he relayed it to Rana. #Ranatrial
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Sajid, watching on TV,advised gunmen to use matress as cover and meet Indian forces in stairwell.The Indians "Scampered" H says. #Ranatrial
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Headley testifying how LET's Sajid Mir coached Chabad House gunmen to resist Indian commandos trying to rescue hostages. #Ranatrial
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"Pasha's" full name is Abdurahman Hashim Syed -- Pak Army-turned-LET operative arrested briefly by ISI in 09. #Ranatrial
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Headley duped LET handler Sajid Mir who told him "that (MMP)project was on hold he didn't want me to do it any longer." #Ranatrial
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Oct. 20-29 Headley in Copenhagen. Returns to Atlanta.Customs asks him purpose of visit."I said I was an immigration consultant." #Ranatrial
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Headley testimony begins with blow by blow of MMP, plot assassinate those "I felt to be directly responsible for the cartooons" #Ranatrial
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Entering court now for #Ranatrial Day 3. Security-screening lines long.
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+1.ramana wrote:However to keep him out of Indian hands he will get some token prison term for his Denmark plot participation.
For this crap they gave plea bargain to DCH!
Looks like there were other reasons.
I agree.
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Trial exhibits of emails, documents and phone intercepts:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/hot/us_v_rana.html
http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/hot/us_v_rana.html
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http://www.deccanherald.com/content/164 ... -isis.html
Tahawwur Rana, a Pakistani of Canadian originand another co-accused in the case.
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My point exactly .. in what sense we extracted all the juice from Azar, Seikh and Zargar before JSji escorted them and handed them to Pakis/AIQ so that they can do more terrorist act...SwamyG wrote:It is not just about justice. .... and extract data to piece together information, validate existing intel and corroborate ityadi ityadi. .... However, once Indian authorities have extracted all the juice from them, then whatever punish they met would be a powerful show and tell though.Amber G. wrote: I, for one am glad, that they are not in "Indian Hands".. one only has to remember Jaswant Singhji escorting Azar, Saeed Seikh and Zargar to Kandhar.
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Evil is not in US justice system (or in India's) .. it is in Paki scums.
JMHO
DCH and Rana, at least , are not being escorted back to Paki's..and, at least at present, are in custody.
Just for the perspective .
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I think that Kasab should also be sent to US of A for justice, we Indians are after all going to feed him and the other Gilani chap biryani onlee. Who else should we send there?
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That comparison is disingenuous. We don't know how the US govt. will react if terrorists hijack a passenger jet full of American citizens and demand the release of David Headley. Their claims of "No negotiation with Terrorists" notwithstanding.Amber G. wrote: My point exactly .. in what sense we extracted all the juice from Azar, Seikh and Zargar before JSji escorted them and handed them to Pakis/AIQ so that they can do more terrorist act...
DCH and Rana, at least , are not being escorted back to Paki's..and, at least at present, are in custody.
Just for the perspective .
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Americans always ensure that criminals are punished in their country.Sanku wrote:I think that Kasab should also be sent to US of A for justice, we Indians are after all going to feed him and the other Gilani chap biryani onlee. Who else should we send there?
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Headley looked up to Ilyas Kashmiri. There was an article about how he was distraught when it was earlier rumored that Kashmiri was killed in a drone strike.
Just thinking - would IK's killing have any significant impact on the ongoing Rana trial?
I mean would Headley feel more free to talk about ISI - Kashmiri links or more details on Kashmiri's terror plans?
Just thinking - would IK's killing have any significant impact on the ongoing Rana trial?
I mean would Headley feel more free to talk about ISI - Kashmiri links or more details on Kashmiri's terror plans?
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He might have given he real coordinates now under fear of being turned over to GOI based on new evidence.