Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Jan 2015 08:52

Did another Pak ‘terror boat’ enter Indian waters?
http://www.newsroompost.com/147055/anot ... an-waters/

New Delhi, Dec 3: After the Pakistani ‘terror boat’ blew itself off the Gujarat coast, reports have emerged about presence of second suspected vessel.Indian authorities are keeping an eye on the second vessel and search operation is underway in the Arabian sea, according to a report published in leading daily newspaper.According to sources, the second boat also came from Karachi and was spotted at the same place when the Coast Guard undertook second sortie from Porbanar.A Coast Guard official said, “The first one blew itself up after it was being chased by the Coast Guard ship near the maritime border off Keti Bandar. There was allegedly a second boat as well which was in operation. The search is on for the second boat. The second boat tried to mingle with the fishing boats on the Indian coast,” he said.Sources suggest that the second boat might have escaped attention and may have fled back to Pakistani water. Coast Guard officials are keeping a close watch for the second boat as they fear it might also try to mingle with the fishing boats in the area.Officials said the Coast Guard and Indian Navy were on alert since December 28 after receiving some intelligence inputs. On December 30, a specific intelligence was received from National Technical Research Organization (NTRO).

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 03 Jan 2015 09:06

This was an attempt to infiltrate terrorists into India. If it were just smugglers they would have thrown their maal overboard at the first sign of trouble. The fact that they were trying to run away means the people on board had a mortal fear of being caught and questioned. Definitely an ISI operation. Praveen Swami and his ilk are just disgusting useless journalists.

srin · Post by **srin** » 03 Jan 2015 09:19

Nikhil T wrote:Journos like Shooklaw are having a field day doubting official version of events. Pity to see Shooklaw use every opportunity to portray himself as the smartest one, even at the cost of national security.

That was Praveen Swami, not the Colonel Shooklaw

srin · Post by **srin** » 03 Jan 2015 09:22

eklavya wrote:This was an attempt to infiltrate terrorists into India. If it were just smugglers they would have thrown their maal overboard at the first sign of trouble. The fact that they were trying to run away means the people on board had a mortal fear of being caught and questioned. Definitely an ISI operation. Praveen Swami and his ilk are just disgusting useless journalists.

Quoting "sources" to the contrary just to demonstrate their independence, asking rhetorical questions, and wondering why the hell the Govt is being secretive (do they seriously think that Govt will really tell the truth on how it got the intel) ... that is the modern journalism of today.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 03 Jan 2015 09:44

Articles like the one by PS give succour to terrorists and their masters. Responsible newspapers should not publish such anti-national trash.

I would like to see the commander and crew of the CG vessel that lead the chase to be awarded medals in recognition of a highly successful operation that saved innumerable Indian lives. Same for the NTRO team that intercepted the intelligence.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Jan 2015 09:45

In 26/11. the terrorshits sea-jacked the Indian fishing vessel MV Kuber and used it to dock at Mumbai.

Here, they seem tobe using Baki boats throughout - was there any plan to steal an Indian boat by any chance?

Worse, has such a sea-jacking already happened? In which case, our agencies might have to look out for numerous desi boats in the area as well

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 03 Jan 2015 09:45

srin wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:Journos like Shooklaw are having a field day doubting official version of events. Pity to see Shooklaw use every opportunity to portray himself as the smartest one, even at the cost of national security.
That was Praveen Swami, not the Colonel Shooklaw

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Jan 2015 09:46

The current HM and DM should go about their duties quietly. No chest thumping required every few days about teaching the pakis a lesson.

We get it and so do the pakis.

The same jokers will be the first to shove their tail between their legs if any thing happens again.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 03 Jan 2015 09:48

Hari Seldon wrote:In 26/11. the terrorshits sea-jacked the Indian fishing vessel MV Kuber and used it to dock at Mumbai.

Here, they seem tobe using Baki boats throughout - was there any plan to steal an Indian boat by any chance?

Worse, has such a sea-jacking already happened? In which case, our agencies might have to look out for numerous desi boats in the area as well

They already have enough captured Indian fishing boats to be able to pick out a few in good condition, soup up the engines if required and reuse for terrorist tourism purposes.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 03 Jan 2015 09:51

Shukla's comments are nasty and disgusting beyond belief.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 03 Jan 2015 09:57

Praveen Swami must be an idiot. Must see his pic to see how an idiot looks like.

If the boat was carrying HSD then it still would not have 'exploded' (reported) and there still would have been ample time for the occupants to abandon (but no survivors reported), despite a direct hits in the fuel containers by the 30 mm cannon rounds.

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/quest ... -fuel-tank

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Jan 2015 10:13

You have to understand that most journos take a semantic distinction and try to raise a ruckus about it for more eyeballs. Think about it for a while: Ajmal Kasab when he landed in Mumbai was not a terrorist, but merely an illegal immigrant who crossed the border illegally. At that time if police had shot and killed him, Journos would yell "Story of GOI about killing terrorist is not true!!! He didnt commit any terrorist act and merely crossed the border illegally!!!!"

Any terrorist before he commits terrorism is merely a smuggler who is transporting explosives and arms. So yes, what if we blew up a smuggler?

Why cant people agree on basic facts?

1. There was a suspicious boat.
2. They did not stop when asked to, tried to get back to Karachi.
3. One of the worst terrorist incidents in India happened due to terrorists coming on a boat from Karachi.

Now does it matter that the boat fellows themselves set themselves on fire, or if they fired at the CG and CG fired back and sunk it? Does it matter if those smugglers were merely carrying Diesel, or Diesel and a few AKs without ammo, or ammo without guns or RDX without detonators or a few packets of Heroin?

Would you call Dawood Ibrahim a smuggler, terrorist, movie financier or property owner? Point is if someone catches him on a boat trying to cross illegally, he better put up his hands and surrender. Debating the real profession of Dawood Ibrahim is a waste of time.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Jan 2015 11:13

Before a terrorist blows himself up, he just carries a high explosive with him rather non-chalantly. Only when it explodes and kills someone else beside him does he become a terrorist. Until the nanosecond of the blow up, he is a weapons smuggler

(sarcasm).

India is a free country, everyone should be free of carrying whatever they want to wherever and whenever they want. Freedom of movement and freedom of speech. We unwashed have to learn those civilizing terms to be more TFTA like

Amitabh · Post by **Amitabh** » 03 Jan 2015 11:16

Wow, so it's "anti-national" to question the government's narrative regarding this incident? And clearly people here have insider information (including the exact objective of the boat's occupants) that allows them to award medals and so on within 24 hours of this incident being reported.

The government's story may well be correct in the end, but keep in mind that Praveen Swami's bias is pro-establishment if anything.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Jan 2015 11:17

Given the number of peaceful activities going on around India from the reports that are coming in, I cannot help but wonder: Was this some sort of soft-saturation attack?

I.E. flood the whole borders (Marine, land or underground) so as to test for any "punctures", or security holes? What worries me is if there is an undetected security hole in our borders then the Bakis know it by now. Scary situation if true.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Jan 2015 11:20

Amitabh wrote:Wow, so it's "anti-national" to question the government's narrative regarding this incident? And clearly people here have insider information (including the exact objective of the boat's occupants) that allows them to award medals and so on within 24 hours of this incident being reported.

The government's story may well be correct in the end, but keep in mind that Praveen Swami's bias is pro-establishment if anything.

Does Pravin Swami have the whole data set of events infront of him at this moment to make an accurate assessment of what happened? If he does not, then the best solution is to report it neutrally :- "A boat was reported to be blown up by its own participants, details awaited. Here are the pictures...."

Why does a "journalist" have to be so eager to spin "his take" on it? What is the Khujli to do so? It may not be anti national but it is certainly not prudent.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jan 2015 11:58

Besides which establishment is Pravin Swami pro off? The jholawala anti=national one that is who!

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 03 Jan 2015 12:01

It seems to me that the whole thing is quite simple:
Bakis are trying to pick a confrontation with Bhaarath, so that there can be a coup in Bakiland. Bad Shareef is trying to do a coup on Bald Shareef and confrontation with Bhaarath is the convenient excuse to do it.

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So, Ajai Shukla seems to be saying that 'burning down their own boat does not add up'. Maybe he seems to be suggesting that it was shot down by the coast guard or maybe it was burnt down by coast guard. Even if this is assumed to be true, then it still does not change the situation. Infact, it is more indicative of terrorist attack.

A baki boat enters Bhaarath's territorial waters and is shot down by the coast guard, then it still looks like a foiled terror attempt especially since there are skirmishes and build up in Samba sector also. Of course, the whole thing reminds one of 26/11.

The idea of that Baki boat seems to have been that it won't be detected due to new year revelries.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 03 Jan 2015 12:04

well, if gov really wanted to show they did the best to blow a terror ops boat deep on the ocean than say they lit themselves on fire! if I were evil, and take advantage of this.. like kangrez bazis, I would have claimed having fired at the boat, and claimed a major victory over upa vasis. stop this shoe-claw crap! let us get more evidence.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 03 Jan 2015 12:06

Adv. Somnath Bharti ‏@attomeybharti

Smuggling route from Gwadar port to Karachi, according to @IndianExpress and @praveenswami. #terrorboat

SM's biggest contribution is, unmasking Sickulars and rising awareness level among fence-sitting Hindus.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 03 Jan 2015 12:12

Amitabh wrote:Wow, so it's "anti-national" to question the government's narrative regarding this incident? And clearly people here have insider information (including the exact objective of the boat's occupants) that allows them to award medals and so on within 24 hours of this incident being reported.

The government's story may well be correct in the end, but keep in mind that Praveen Swami's bias is pro-establishment if anything.

Not anti-national necessarily, but when the questions have no logical content and asked with a smug and supercilious tone, they trumpet the questioner's stupidity.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Jan 2015 12:23

Amitabh wrote:Wow, so it's "anti-national" to question the government's narrative regarding this incident? And clearly people here have insider information (including the exact objective of the boat's occupants) that allows them to award medals and so on within 24 hours of this incident being reported.

The government's story may well be correct in the end, but keep in mind that Praveen Swami's bias is pro-establishment if anything.

It is not anti national to question the government's narrative. We all knew what happened in Bofors. And Spectrum. And Mines. And arms import lobby.

It is anti national though to pursue an agenda that ultimately harms the country. Praveen Swami for example had a factually incorrect statement right in the first line

"Less than 48 hours after the Coast Guard destroyed a boat it claimed was ferrying explosives and terrorists from Pakistan into Indian waters"

Coast Guard made no such claim. The official press release makes no such claim. After pointing it out, he changed it to

"Less than 48 hours after the Coast Guard destroyed a boat it suspected was ferrying explosives and terrorists from Pakistan into Indian waters"

Which is also not accurate. We will visit that later. However the correction was hours after the news article was published, circulated, commented upon. How can a so called "senior journalist" reporting on national security issues make such wild allegation that the Coast Guard claimed something it hadnt? Careful journalists do not make such mistakes in such situations. If they do make such mistakes, they are not suited to covering issues like national security.

Now you might think that it is much hair splitting over one word, but think about it this way: Now look at the two narratives

"Coast guard claims boat was carrying explosives, they claim boat didnt stop when asked to, some incident occurred, boat caught fire and sank. They have no evidence to show boat had explosives or arms now"

And

"Coast guard suspected boat was carrying explosives, they claim boat didnt stop when asked to, some incident occurred, boat caught fire and sank. They have no evidence to show boat had explosives or arms now, apart from the fact that the boat did not stop when asked to, in violation of the norms in the sea"

The former looks like an fake encounter killing. The latter looks like an investigative operation with possible suspicion on the boat. Let us revisit the sentence

"Less than 48 hours after the Coast Guard destroyed a boat it suspected was ferrying explosives and terrorists from Pakistan into Indian waters"

When did any official press release claim that they were terrorists? Did you read the press release? It says

An intelligence based midnight operation was conducted on the intervening night of Dec 31 and yesterday by the Indian coast guard ships and aircraft to intercept a suspect fishing boat in Arabian Sea near Indo-Pak maritime boundary

Where did they claim the the boat was a terrorist boat? Did the press release claim it had explosives or terrorists? Why allege that the Government claimed it was a terrorist boat and then write a grand column "refuting" that it was a terrorist boat?

A meta comment: Nobody is faulting the questioning of the government's narrative. On the other hand, this reeks of pretending to question the government's narrative while pursuing an agenda. Please read news articles carefully.

member_28911 · Post by **member_28911** » 03 Jan 2015 12:28

The Coast Guard ship warned the boat first over radio and then through loudspeakers to stop "for further investigation of the crew and cargo". But the boat increased speed and tried to flee from the Indian side of the IMBL to the Pakistani side.

One intelligence agency official claimed they had radio intercepts in which the crew of the boat said they had arms and weapons adequate to protect themselves and warned the Coast Guard vessel from acting against it.

"The hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots," said the defence ministry statement.

Coast Guard sources said their personnel saw at least four persons on the boat go below the deck and set the boat on fire "which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat".

Around 6.30 in the morning of January 1, the boat sank. The Coast Guard has released photographs of what it said was the burning boat.

"One of our ships was directly engaged with the boat while there were other ships standing by," said Coast Guard deputy director-general (operations) K.R. Nautiyal. "It had sailed nearly 200 nautical miles from the coast of Karachi. It was evident that they (the crew of the boat) were not going to surrender. We followed our Rules of Engagement and had given them adequate warning," he said.

Pursued, Pak boat with illicit plan goes up in flames: Govt

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 03 Jan 2015 12:30

Funny thing is, if a plane flies low near Massa buildings and it gets shot out of the air, these very same people would give benefit of doubt to massa and bat for them saying 'well that's understandable, they should have known better, wow what a system and what a response to a threat, well they must be bad people because they were evasive etc etc'.

Modi admin does something, then it is 'lets bat for pakis' time with these fact seekers.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Jan 2015 12:34

Actually anyone remember the time when a US ship used high caliber guns to destroy an Indian fishing trawler near Dubai/Iran?

Those guns will shake the living day lights out of anyone who in a 2 meter radius around the point of impact, one does not even need to get hit to get seriously injured. A bunch of our guys were actually hit with those rounds and were shredded to bits.

I have no clue what these guys were saying then, but would be interesting to compare.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 03 Jan 2015 12:37

Ankar wrote:
The Coast Guard ship warned the boat first over radio and then through loudspeakers to stop "for further investigation of the crew and cargo". But the boat increased speed and tried to flee from the Indian side of the IMBL to the Pakistani side.

One intelligence agency official claimed they had radio intercepts in which the crew of the boat said they had arms and weapons adequate to protect themselves and warned the Coast Guard vessel from acting against it.

"The hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots," said the defence ministry statement.

Coast Guard sources said their personnel saw at least four persons on the boat go below the deck and set the boat on fire "which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat".

Around 6.30 in the morning of January 1, the boat sank. The Coast Guard has released photographs of what it said was the burning boat.

"One of our ships was directly engaged with the boat while there were other ships standing by," said Coast Guard deputy director-general (operations) K.R. Nautiyal. "It had sailed nearly 200 nautical miles from the coast of Karachi. It was evident that they (the crew of the boat) were not going to surrender. We followed our Rules of Engagement and had given them adequate warning," he said.
Pursued, Pak boat with illicit plan goes up in flames: Govt

Since Kasab has been caught alive and sang like a canary, and evidence collected from fishing trawler Kuber exposed Pakis big time globally. Pak/ISI are now instructing their Terrorists to become Fidyeens and destroy any evidences, instead of being caught and exposing Pakis. By destroying the boat and killing themselves, they have erased valuable evidences that may embarrass Pak/ISI/Dawood/NDTV.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 03 Jan 2015 12:45

LokeshC wrote:Actually anyone remember the time when a US ship used high caliber guns to destroy an Indian fishing trawler near Dubai/Iran?

Those guns will shake the living day lights out of anyone who in a 2 meter radius around the point of impact, one does not even need to get hit to get seriously injured. A bunch of our guys were actually hit with those rounds and were shredded to bits.

I have no clue what these guys were saying then, but would be interesting to compare.

The shameless Sickulars were shown great sympathy for Italian marines who killed Indian fishermen in Indian soil (10-15 kms of Indian coast). The Italian marines did not gave any warning whatsoever and straightly pumped bullets (trigger happy morons).

Now see, how dramatically these Sickulars and media pimps are showing sympathy for terrorists in a Paki boat. Now, CG has given clear warnings for surrender, and chased for 1 hour.

Really our Sickulas and media pimps are true fifth columnists who are here to weaken India.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 03 Jan 2015 14:40

^We also have people on this forum acting more sickular than the sickulars. What a shame. One would think someone who posts on this forum would know better.

If the govt was lying about the encounter, they surely would have said that they killed the enemy rather than the enemy killed himself.

To suggest a conspiracy in this matter is an insult to the intelligence of the govt as well as the citizens of this country.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 03 Jan 2015 15:13

Amitabh wrote:Wow, so it's "anti-national" to question the government's narrative regarding this incident? And clearly people here have insider information (including the exact objective of the boat's occupants) that allows them to award medals and so on within 24 hours of this incident being reported.

The government's story may well be correct in the end, but keep in mind that Praveen Swami's bias is pro-establishment if anything.

Servicemen and servicewomen who kill terrorists deserve medals. People who shed tears for terrorists and cook up cover stories for terrorists are anti-national.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 03 Jan 2015 15:38

deleted, was double posted.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 03 Jan 2015 15:50

Amitabh wrote:Wow, so it's "anti-national" to question the government's narrative regarding this incident? And clearly people here have insider information (including the exact objective of the boat's occupants) that allows them to award medals and so on within 24 hours of this incident being reported.

The government's story may well be correct in the end, but keep in mind that Praveen Swami's bias is pro-establishment if anything.

Wow, so it's so strange that you have never before questioned the government's narrative regarding hundreds of previous fishing boat seizures by the navy or the coast guard but feel that it is imperative that you should raise a comment about this one. May be you can help all of us by telling us in how many previous cases "fishermen" has seen it fit to burn both themselves and their boat when challenged by the coast guard so we can better understand both your and that DDM point of view.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 03 Jan 2015 15:50

Well our officers on ground have the final say on determining whether a threat is credible or not. If in their opinion this particular trawler or any ship, sail or rubber dinky poses a clear and present danger they are within their rights to neutralize any such threat.

In this case even though CG had credible intel, they followed the proper procedure. They intercepted them in their area of responsibility, contacted them to determine intent, challenged them when the trawler didn't comply, gave warning and then before anything could happen the trawler crew performed harakiri. Period.

No question of any wrong doing.

Now this incident does confirm that the intel was credible and verifiable. Hence any agency worth it's salt is free to extrapolate and draw conclusions.

On the other hand media has no right:
1) to mis report
2) speculate on what professional agencies think and do to earn their living
3) provide legitimacy to suspected evil doer's counter claim

Alas the same agencies provide the freedom and rights to these media men. One of them earned his living in security apparatus.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 03 Jan 2015 16:02

Forget the medals, just ensure we are not prosecuted by human rights wallahs for doing the job professionally and with clarity of thought.

Amitabh,

Anujan gave a very good explanation so I won't add to that but was just wondering...do you think perhaps they were coming over for a picnic with enough arms and ammo to destroy their boat ? Or perhaps those were just for fireworks as they wanted to celebrate NYE with us and when the pesky CG interrupted them, they said 'we are too sexy for your party' , blew their boat up and decided to go for a swim ? These Coast Guard chaps really need to be sorted out. Disrupting friendly people to people track 2 diplomacy

Actually its all this Doval guys fault.

I agree with Saik.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Jan 2015 16:05

There is news in Geo that Pakistan foreign office denied that any of its fishermen were killed and that there was no boat that left from Karachi that had burned and not returned. If this denial is true, then it becomes more interesting:

Usually fisherfolk are a tight knit community and if one of them gets killed by a neighbouring country they raise a huge hue and cry and raise a ruckus. This gives rise to two possibilities:

1. They were not fisherfolk and were yahoos from inland and Pakis quickly want to disown them
2. They were fisherfolk upto no good and Pakis want to quickly disown then.

Else it would have taken no time for Pakis to allege that innocent fisherfolk were brutally killed by a RAW/CIA/Mossad joint operation and demand an investigation.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 03 Jan 2015 16:18

Anujan,

Good point but whether its 1 or 2, they would have been staged as a proper operation within the auspices of the ISI+proxies. This disowning and non state actor story makes no sense (I mean for us to buy this not for them to disown). A sovereign nation has to be responsible for everything staged from their soil or you are not sovereign. In that case these are fair game for us. And anyway now the regular army and LeT , Haqqani etc are the same.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jan 2015 16:33

These are Non Flight jihadis.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 03 Jan 2015 16:43

Non flight jihadis ? Care to amplify ?

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 03 Jan 2015 16:52

Gurus, I've a technical question, am not questioning anything but just a query. It's mentioned that the CG chased the trawler for 1 hour. Don't you think that's a bit long. What if the boat managed to get back into paki territory, and why didn't the CG or IN order more ships to chase and stop/destroy the paki boat.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Jan 2015 17:33

The boat was challenged and caught fire some 365 km or 197 nautical miles from the coast (India's exclusive economic zone stretches to 200 nautical miles), so I wouldnt be much worried about the Coast Guard's knowledge where our waters end or their ability to stop people before they slipped away from our territory.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 03 Jan 2015 17:38

'Bomb boat crew did not look like fishermen'

GANDHINAGAR: Indian Coast Guard (ICG) on Saturday said suspicions were raised about the identity of crew of the explosives-laden boat intercepted by them, as they did not resemble fishermen from their dressing style and carried no nets.

ICG said they followed the standard operating procedure (SOP) while intercepting the hostile boat, which as intelligence input suggested, had set sail from the port city of Karachi from Pakistan for some "illicit transaction".

The maritime law enforcement agency reiterated that the vessel was set on fire by its crew members, causing it to explode and later sink. The incident took place about 365 km off the coast of Porbander in the Arabian Sea on the intervening night of December 31 and January 1 after a hot pursuit by Coast Guard.