Bharat Rakshak

DavidD, hope you have seen my comments at the bottom of this post of yours.

For all talking about Tibet and chinese occupation of it.
this is a good source IMHO-
http://www.claudearpi.net/index.php?nav=home&lang=1

vina wrote:
Hmm. I didn't think that the Tibetans used artillery against the Potola palace and imprisoned monks and kind of things before 1958!.

All the same, what the got after the Chinese came is not a modern day democratic and liberal society!. What they got was moving from some feudal "serfdom" to a more brutal communist dictatorship (all in the name of the "serfs" of course, that is why Communism is so Kafkaesque). So, unless you buy the story of how serfs were "liberated" into "socialist labor" and the "ideal society" and all that commie propaganda, it sounds like so much B.S .

No, what they got was not and is not a democratic and liberal society, but what they got was better than what they had before. They were serfs/slaves before, and now they're not. You tell me if they were liberated.

Err. Is European treatment of Native Americans the ideal that China should replicate today ?. Exterminate the Tibetans ? Rather than the 18th and 19th century Europe and America, how about emulating the mid 20th century and 21st century Europe and America, the one with genuine freedom, civil liberties, freedom of speech, freedom of conscience and religion ?

Did the Tibetans ever give a document saying that they want to be ruled by the Communist Party of China and sign away their freedoms, even assuming the old irredentist tripe of "Tibet was paying tribute to imperial china and hence is Chinese" kind of claims that the Chinese use. Okay. Even if they did pay tribute to Chinese emperors for 1000 years, they dont want to any more and want to live their own lives !. How about accepting that reality ?

Responding to this, and some other responses of late, would involve a long discussion of China, but that'd be quite off topic, as an admin has already warned me to limit. If you wish, we can continue this conversation through PMs. I do feel, however, that it's almost impossible to have an actual debate regarding Tibet without discussing China in depth.

a couple of bbc reports on Tibet today

Note the shifty minder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia+pacific-10639713

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10638506

DavidD wrote:. . . would involve a long discussion of China, but that'd be quite off topic, as an admin has already warned me to limit.

DavidD, discussion of China relevant to Tibet is of course not off topic to this thread. For example, if you wish to show that the Tibetans are treated no worse than the Han Chinese or Uighurs, please go ahead and do so. I certainly meant comparison with the treatment of native Americans or Aboriginies etc.

DavidD,

I am not avoiding any question. What I have been doing, however was, I was treating you as a mature person. Your grand point seems to be that Chinese crimes against humanity in Tibet are not as black and white as rape. What I am saying is, Chinese are literally raping Tibetan women and murdering Tibetan men on a daily basis. Chinese have reduced Tibetans to nothing in their own country.

You are missing following point: No country has right to invade and occupy other country. And, certainly no country has right to commit genocide on other country.

The way Chinese occupation of Tibet is continuing, Tibetans will cease to exist in Tibet. What is sad is that Chinese seem to lack even a rudimentary form of moral compass which could have helped them understand how horrible their attitude towards Tibetans is.

All you need to do is get out of Tibet. But, your greed coupled with lack of respect for humanity will not let you do this. That in turn will lead to a military build up in the region. All thanks to Chinese CCP goons and their supporters like yourself.

It does not matter how Tibetans were living before China invaded Tibet. No country has right to impose a particular way of life on Tibetans. It is up to Tibetans to decide how they want to live. It is none of China's business. But China armed with Nukes says it can do whatever it wants to in Asia. Pretty soon, if not checked, they will start to expand their fanatic world view. This a dangerous country on a rise. Worse than Nazi Germany.

Dilbu wrote:

The truth is that human rights in Tibet is the best in its history.

This is what happens when you feed melamine contaminated milk to babies.

Great observation sir!

In addition, it requires heavy dose of dishonest propaganda. They are taught from childhood that it is OK to rob and steal if it lets you get ahead in life. This is what CCP thinks modernization is.

"It [the report] finds that the scale of human rights violations related to suppressing the protests was far greater than previously believed, and that Chinese forces broke international law -- including prohibitions against disproportionate use of force, torture and arbitrary detention, as well as the right to peaceful assembly -- despite government claims to the contrary," the group said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

I was expecting this for a long time.
Dalai Lama: My Reincarnation Will Appear In Free Country
IIRC, he did say this in some previous interviews but did not say why it should be so. Moreover, previously he used to say its probable, but now he says its logical. Definitely, a change in tone.

"If I die as a refugee and the Tibetan situation remains like this, then logically, my reincarnation will appear in a free country, because the very purpose of reincarnation is to carry on the work which began in my previous life. And, there is some contribution, some fulfillment in work started in the previous life. Then, that is truly reincarnation".
He said, if obstacles were created against carrying out the tasks of the Dalai Lama's previous life, than the "reality is not reincarnation."
"Female Dalai Lama (is) possible because in Tibet tradition, among the high women, reincarnation is there, I think there is the 700-800-year-old Dorjee Phagmo institution which is for female reincarnation...so, there is no religious connotation that religious leader must be male.
"If circumstances are such that female reincarnation is more effective to people, then, logically it should be female," he said.

So he is clearly preparing the Tibetan community against the legitimacy of possible Chinese picked Dalai Lama. Isn't the "Free Country", he is referring to, Tawang ? (or possibly Sikkim). IIRC, one of the previous Dalai Lamas was from Tawang. If it is really going to be from Tawang, one has to imagine the Chinese furor and even possible that China uses this to try to legitimize their claim over Tawang. What would be India's role then, would it back the Tibetan community ?

rahuls wrote:I was expecting this for a long time.
Dalai Lama: My Reincarnation Will Appear In Free Country
IIRC, he did say this in some previous interviews but did not say why it should be so. Moreover, previously he used to say its probable, but now he says its logical. Definitely, a change in tone.

IIRC He has been saying that for a while. He has also mentioned in many occasions that the Tibetan problem might be solved during His lifetime.

If it is really going to be from Tawang, one has to imagine the Chinese furor and even possible that China uses this to try to legitimize their claim over Tawang. What would be India's role then, would it back the Tibetan community ?

Its very greedy on PRC's part to expect that India would give away any part controlled by her freely. And should PRC try any stunt, that would be the end of all their supah powah dreams.

rahuls wrote:...
If it is really going to be from Tawang, one has to imagine the Chinese furor and even possible that China uses this to try to legitimize their claim over Tawang. What would be India's role then, would it back the Tibetan community ?

Since the Dalailama born in a free country,which is in India, whole Tibet rightfully belongs to India.

Himalayan Regions Have Special Responsibility to Preserve Buddhism, Says HH the Dalai Lama

Since the Tibetan Buddhism is a common religion followed by both Tibetans and the people living in Himalayan regions, the latter should make great efforts to preserve the whole set of teachings and commentaries of Buddha and Nalanda masters, His Holiness said.

"Three Tibetans were forcefully returned to China from Nepal in early June 2010. It is a very serious issue and we are extremely concerned," Nini Gurung, spokeswoman for the UN refugee agency in Kathmandu, told AFP by email.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100728/wl ... 0728113052

His Holiness the Dalai Lama Tweets with the Chinese People

Otherwise, when the word "Xizang" is mentioned, it is taken to be as referring only to the Tibet Autonomous Region. This is not right. There are only a little over two million Tibetans living in the Tibet Autonomous Region and the remaining approximately four million Tibetans live in the neighbouring four Chinese provinces. As such, we are saying that all of these Tibetan people should be given the same rights. For example, I do not belong to the Tibet Autonomous Region; I hail from Tso-ngon [Ch: Qinghai] province. Likewise should you care to look at Tibetan history, you will see that many of the highly-realised Lamas/Tulkus have come from these four provinces. Even today, most of the [respected] teachers teaching in the monastic institutions of all the religious traditions of our community have come from these provinces; very few of them belong to the Tibet Autonomous Region. Therefore, we are saying that a uniform policy should be adopted for all of these areas since they share the same religion and culture.

Tibet’s environment is fragile and susceptible to damage. Because of the high altitude and dry wind, it is said that once damage occurs, it will take a long period to restore the ecological balance. This is a special issue that you must pay attention to. The glaciers in the high Tibetan Plateau are the main source of many of the great rivers in Asia. That is why we should take special care of them.

RamaY wrote:

rahuls wrote:...
If it is really going to be from Tawang, one has to imagine the Chinese furor and even possible that China uses this to try to legitimize their claim over Tawang. What would be India's role then, would it back the Tibetan community ?

Since the Dalailama born in a free country,which is in India, whole Tibet rightfully belongs to India.

I seriously hope that you are not suggesting that Tibet is part of India ?

Tibet is not part of India, but Tibet is culturally closer to India than to China. And a Tibet associated or affiliated with India in some way would be democratic, or more free than it is now. Tibet has a connection with India that goes back to at least the 7th century, when Indian Buddhist monks helped to establish Buddhism and establish Buddhist monastaries and monastic orders. This process was entirely peaceful from the Indian side; there was no military incursion or colonial style settlement.

Christopher Sidor wrote:

RamaY wrote: Since the Dalailama born in a free country,which is in India, whole Tibet rightfully belongs to India.

I seriously hope that you are not suggesting that Tibet is part of India ?

Why would you hope that? Surely Tibet is no less fundamentally Indic than Kerala or Gujarat or Manipur? There is as much of a rationale for it to be part of India as for any other land and people who share our common civilizational ethos.

Regarding Tibet and Indic Civilization

Here is the Devanagri script which is a good representation of many Indian languages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagri

Here is the Tibetan script
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_script

Spend some time comparing the sounds. When I saw the sounds for the first time, I was shocked.

It also hurt me think about how the Indic people have let go of their civilizational sphere of influence to autocratic powers.

His Holiness Dalai Lama after tweeting can got to FaceBook, Orkut or come to BRF. During his lifetime, he kept smiling and participated in photo-ops as China made inroads into Tibet. I would have agreed that it was a status-quo and that His Holiness really was buying time to the advantage of Tibet. With more Chinese money and people pouring into Tibet, I do not see any value for all the silly grin. He is a let down.
But if you ask Robert Thurman, he would write pages on the usefulness or why Dalai Lama matters now.

VikramS wrote:
It also hurt me think about how the Indic people have let go of their civilizational sphere of influence to autocratic powers.

When a nation becomes slaves for so long this is what happens. Even after that letting colonized elite rule the country is extremely wrong. This is disaster

I agree. Countries like Tibet, Nepal, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, etc. are part of our Indic family. It was a big mistake to let them fall in hands of wolves.

A bilingual boon for Tibet
http://thestar.com.my/columnists/story. ... adeinchina

Christopher Sidor wrote: I seriously hope that you are not suggesting that Tibet is part of India ?

I am sorry to break your heart, but Tibet is historically part of India. Even in pre-historical times, it is much closer to India than it can ever be to China.

Yes, it is (questionably) part of china today. Who are you and I to say the future should flow only one way?

Christopher Sidor wrote: I seriously hope that you are not suggesting that Tibet is part of India ?

Tibet border and its true landmass is not with China even now. How can China say that Tibet is part of China.

After the fall of Qing in 1911, Tibet and Xinjiang were virtually independent till 1950's PLA take over. If India was independent, it would probably take advantage of that period, unfortunately the British could care less. This kind of opportunity comes only once in 1000 years, so one always need to be ready and waiting for opportunity to present itself.

Rudradev wrote:

Christopher Sidor wrote:
I seriously hope that you are not suggesting that Tibet is part of India ?

Why would you hope that? Surely Tibet is no less fundamentally Indic than Kerala or Gujarat or Manipur? There is as much of a rationale for it to be part of India as for any other land and people who share our common civilizational ethos.

Tibet is as much a part of India as is Denmark/Austria a part of Germany or Canada a part of US. Tibet's orientation towards India and south Asia in general is there, both geographically and culturally. Most of Tibetan major cities, are near Indian or Nepalese border. The nearest port to Lhasa is Calcutta and the port of Chittagong, Bangladesh and not some port in China. In fact Lhasa is more near to Delhi then it is to Peking or Shanghai or Hong Kong. Despite all of these facts, Tibet is still not part of India. New Delhi have never ever exercised any control over any part of present day Tibet. The closet that India came to controlling parts of Tibet is during the Sikh Kingdom's excursion into Tibet, which ironically was defeated by a combination of Chinese and Tibetan Soldiers.

Even if you ignore the history, no Tibetan has ever said, now or in the past, including his holiness the Dalia Lama, that Tibet is a part of India. Nor have the Tibetans indicated a desire to become part of the Indian Union. His Holiness Dalia Lama has said that he is the son of India, and spiritually it is true. But he is not Indian, he is Tibetan.

Another fact that we should not forget is that the Tibetans initially welcomed the Chinese control in 1947-48. In fact, his holiness the Dalia Lama, even dressed up like Chinese and behaved like them. It was only when the Chinese sought control over Tibet and also to rule over Tibet, to the exclusion over the existing ruling elite, that the problems arose. Matters were not helped by the Chinese tendency to trample upon the Tibetan culture. You could say that the Chinese did not handle their "occupation" wisely.

AKalam wrote:After the fall of Qing in 1911, Tibet and Xinjiang were virtually independent till 1950's PLA take over. If India was independent, it would probably take advantage of that period, unfortunately the British could care less. This kind of opportunity comes only once in 1000 years, so one always need to be ready and waiting for opportunity to present itself.

Add to this fact, that the Tibetans did not see them selves as independent nation, as we Indians thought off. In 1947 India invited Tibet to be part of the "Asian Solidarity Conference" in new Delhi as a soviergn and independent nation. The Tibetans declined.
Moreover the Tibetans initially welcomed the Chinese (read CCP) control over tibet in 1947-48. They did not ask India for any help from India. Nor did they ever send any delegation to UN with their "International Instruments of Statehood." Till this date the Goverment of Tibet in Exile or his holiness the Dalia Lama has not asked for independence from china. All that is being asked is political and cultural autonomy from peking.

India in 1947-50 was is no position to help Tibet. It had just got over a gut wrenching partition, with 20 million displaced, 1 million killed or missing, and tremendous loss. Added to this was the tension between India and Pakistan.
Even if we had allowed a 3rd party access to tibet, so that Tibet could be defended from the CCP/Chinese, it would have severely damaged our budding relations with Soviet Union. And given the pitiful condition of infrastructure in 1947-62 on indo-tibet border, it would be moot point if any help could reach Tibet from India. The infrastructure was so pathetic that in World War II, that the allies had to do one of the worlds most massive air lift across the hump (as the Himalayas were called) just so that some aid could reach the Chinese resistance.
In 1947-50 India was under its own constraints. Constraints which would have prevented any meaningful help from India reaching Tibet.

Even if we ignore all of this, and somehow if tibet were to become an independent nation, its defense against China would be difficult
1) It does not have a population big enough to defend against the chinese. Its estimated population is less than 5 million.
2) It does not have a economic base or can have an economic base big enough to support a resistance to Chinese.
3) Tibet would be surrounded on 3 sides by the chinese. Like a salient. With only the southern border being with Bhutan, Nepal and India and a small strip of say 50-100 kms with Burma. In fact the length of its borders with China would be more than the length of current Sino-Indian Border. Its entire southern border would be the highest mountain ranges of the world. Would India take upon itself to defend such a long sino-tibetian border across the highest mountain ranges of Himalayas?
Have a look at this map to truly comprehend the scale of the problem.

For India the problem of defending tibet is three fold
1) It does not remove the threat of Chinese soldiers from Indian Borders. China would still have a border with India due to Xinjianj province. Have a look at the map given above to understand this point.
2) The only way to truly shorten the Tibet border/frontier, so that it is practically defend-able, is to make Xinjianj or the so called "East Turkestan" independent. Now we have two countries, Tibet and Xinjianj dependent on India. The problem is Xinjianj is vulnerable, as all the 5 central asian countries are, to outsiders influence. Influence on which India has no say. We have already made one independent muslim country, bangladesh, to our east via force. If that experience is anything to go by, "Xinjianj" will not be good.
3) India's industrial development is not at such a stage, that we can support and sustain an independent tibet. It would be a massive drain on our resources.

^

- It was worth liberating Bangladesh. India and Bangladesh consider each other friends and working together to make each others lives better. Bangladeshis are not Pakis. They are intelligent people with bright future ahead of them.

- It is better for us to have border with Xinxiang and Tibet than China.

- I support the liberation of both but Tibet is our priority because they are our people.

- Yes, there was a time when we were not in a position to help Tibet but that is changing.

- Once we have 10k warheads then we will address the oppression of Tibet by China more forcefully.

- Liberation of Tibet is a long term objective. It is not going to happen in one day. It will require patience, grim determination and sacrifice on the part of Tibetans and Indians.

Failure against China is not an option for India. That is it. We will do whatever is needed to push China back.

Just to refresh memory:

Shriman Inder Mahander Rajrajeswar Maharajadhiraj Shri Hari Singhji, Jammu and Kashmir Naresh Tatha Tibbetadi Deshadhipathi, Ruler of Jammu and Kashmir, in the exercise of my sovereignty in and over my said State do hereby execute this my Instrument of Accession

From the Instuement of Accession
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument ... d_Kashmir)


Now legality of it is beyond doubt, even to US, UK and TSP. China knows it. Point is, a legal case for Tibet can be made as a protectorate, not as a part of India. India, by virtue of the highlighted clause, has an obligation to ensure that the Tibetans get a fair deal.

It was with good reason Tibet was left as buffer state, by the British. They avoided these border disputes. That vanished when Tibet was gobbled up.


Regarding HHDL, he will be relevant even a 100 (dare I say 1000) years from now. If anything, it will be China's loss because it missed so many years to make peace. That would have taught China how to live in a world free of censorship and minders. If the Chinese think all they have to do is to wait for 10-15 years to ride it out, I pity them. Have the Chinese even listened to what he has to say?

If anything, HHDL has been hamstrung by the policies of GOI (from the start), thank him, that he has not embarresed his hosts by pointing those out.

X posted from Chinese Military Watch

Paratroopers Land In Tibet

August 20, 2010: Chinarecently held its first combat parachute drop in Tibet, with a battalion landing in an open area of the Tibet plateau.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htinf/20100820.aspx

4 Tibetans fatally shot in mine dispute

At least four Tibetans were fatally shot and 30 others wounded when Chinese police opened fire on demonstrators protesting the expansion of a gold mine they blamed for causing environmental damage, a media report said Saturday.

The shooting took place Aug. 17 in southwestern China's Sichuan province not far from the border with Tibet, according to the report from U.S.-funded Radio Free Asia.

Ganzi, a deeply Buddhist region filled with monasteries and nunneries, is known for its strong Tibetan identity and has been at the center of dissent for years. It saw some of the most violent protests in the spring of 2008 after anti-government riots in Tibet.

Tibetans in Northern India Celebrate Democracy Day

Tibetans living-in-exile celebrated the 50th anniversary of Tibetan Democracy Day in Dharamsala on Thursday.
In 1960, the Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama introduced democracy. Since then the people have been choosing members of the parliament-in-exile.

An estimated 80,000 Tibetans arrived in India along with the Dalai Lama after an uprising against the Chinese rule in 1959. And over the years their numbers have increased.
China accuses the Dalai Lama of seeking independence for Tibet, but he says he only wants autonomy for the Tibetan people.
The Dalai Lama has in recent years called for limited autonomy for Tibet, but some Tibetans demand full independence.

hope Tibet becomes an independent nation.

Tibetan hope for Obama's India visit

The latest United States government report on Tibet negotiations has sparked off speculation and hope among the exiled Tibetan community that the Tibet issue might be on US President Barack Obama's agenda during his maiden visit to India in November.

The US government also recently called on Nepal to honor a past commitment to allow Tibetan refugees the freedom of travel to India through Nepal.

US Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Atul Keshap reminded Rawal of a United Nations-brokered deal to allow fleeing Tibetans free passage to India's Dharamsala - the de facto capital of Tibetan exiles - through Nepal, government officials were quoted as saying.

It has also added to speculation that Tibet may be among the issues Obama would discuss with Indian leaders during his visit to India from November 7 to 10.

The Tibet issue again caused a ripple in India-China relations on August 11 when Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met the Dalai Lama

The meeting with Manmohan came just a month after India's Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao held talks with the Dalai Lama in the northern Indian hill station of Dharamsala.

An exchange of views on the progress of the talks between Dalai Lama and Beijing should be on the agenda. The government of India should take the initiative in proposing the inclusion of this item on the agenda. His Holiness should also be invited to any reception hosted by our president in honor of President Obama," said B Raman, director of the Institute for Topical Studies and an associate of the Chennai Center for China Studies.

Ombaba had been keeping quiet for sometime almost sleeping on it. Now suddenly the cobwebs are being cleaned and ....
recent weeks there were naval exercises of china sea, angry words exchanged thru media, clinton speak in east asia etc etc and some speculation about meeting tibetans. hmmm

Exposing China's propaganda and lies

Earlier this June, this writer published a response to Du Xinyu's article denouncing Tibetan democracy as a PR stunt meant for scoring political brownie points. The "signed article" was widely published by the official Chinese media in Chinese, English and Tibetan.
Although this writer's rebuttal had conclusively invalidated all his accusations in a fairly resounding manner, Du Xinyu still had the gumption to knock out yet another follow-up piece, which again turned out to be more or less a rehash of the same bland allegations based on shoddy facts and hollow arguments.

Du’s recent article once again exposed his profound ignorance, if not stupidity, on exile Tibetan issues. Although his article deserves not even a customary courtesy of acknowledgment, in light of the fact that many people rely on internet for information, I shall point out some of his misunderstandings and misinformation.

the Tibetan administration based at Dharamshala, India, is deemed by all Tibetans, in or outside Tibet, as their sole legitimate government that is firmly grounded on the principles of truth, non-violence and democracy. Furthermore, the governments and parliaments across the globe also recognize this fact, whether in letter or spirit. That is the reason it has come to be the proverbial “thorn in the flesh” for the CCP; they therefore keep on taking digs at Tibetan democracy, denouncing it as a public relations exercise.

Explaining how the Tibetan administration clamps down hard on dissenters, Du Xinyu liberally quoted Chime Ringzin, whom he identified as an exclusive member of the inner hub of “Dalai clique”!? As I know it, and so do the rest of people, Chime has been secretary of the Delhi-based Dhogyal outfit. [Its estranged members have been lavishly patronized by China, especially in the recent past, only to be exploited as their choice weapon against His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the exile administration.]

This article is the response by a tibetan to another article by chinese DuXinyu who is a CCP member. he has writen derogatory articles on Tibetans and HH Dalai Lama.

VikramS: Glad you saw the linkage. It's so sad what happens in Tibet. Our Pseudo secular through "gora eyes" only elite failed to see the significance of maintaining cultural contiguity across India's borders. Totalitarian ideologies are bristling all along our borders and within too. Take Bhutan's case, i have been right to the border areas..with permission from the COAS Bhutan. India protects Bhutan (it's a protectorate). India should have done the same with Tibet. Made it a protectorate. Tibet is NOT a part of India..but it deserves it's place in the sun as an independent Nation. However there are large parts of Tibet that are the holiest spots to hundreds of millions of Indians.: Kailash and Mansarover. That is the ""Mecca" to Shiv Bhakts in India for many many Millenia. It's not so holy to Buddhists as it is to Shiv Bhakts. We have neglected it too long. Even on this forum. Thats where Shiv is supposed to meditate..Thats also where all the major river systems originate. Now to visit something which we have always done for millenia we have to apply for a Visa to the Han Chinese who don't care a damn and never heard of Kailash and Mansarover. Shiv must be angry with us for sure..no way of protecting our identity. We may as well lose it to Han or Islam.

Christopher Sidor wrote: I seriously hope that you are not suggesting that Tibet is part of India ?

Chris,

Why not? Do you mean, Tibet was never part of India/Greater India?

A little facts of India or Bharata

Tibet is/was land of the Yakshas & Kinnaras. Yakshas and Kinnaras are physically bird like. In the sense, diminutive, round faced or better put bird among humans. They ruled right from present day Tibet all the way to South China Sea(Yunan and beyond). During the times of Kuru Dynasty this land was called Uttara Kuru!


Land adjoining Tibet i.e., Tajikistan and part of south-west XinJiang Province was called Maha Chinna(Mighty Split). This was the Northern Tip of Akhand Bharata. These people have lion/beast like features. Try looking up some Uighyr faces and you will notice them.....They were adepts at war in the plains and Veda Vyasa calls them "yellow barbarians". Uighyr is a corrupt form of Ugra(Fierce).

Knowing this kind of history if were in a position to call shots....

1) I would arm Uighyrs and let them loose on China! Befriend the Tajiks and open up a front on China and that could bring Russia into play! I remember having read an article talking of Chinks usurping Tajik land exploit this......

2) Open up diplomatic ties with Taiwan, say adios to 1 China policy.

3) Get into seriously destabilizing Burma with pro democracy stuff and hope that it spills over into Bangladesh.


on a side note.......

Yakshas & Kinnaras have their origins in Rishi Mrukanda(father of famous Markandeya of Markandeya Purana). Mrukanda = Mrika(bird) + anda(egg). Yakshas & Kinnaras were fierce mountain warriors. Perhaps because of their light physical frame.

Watch even their languages they are nasal and short syllabled(?)

Yakshas are compared to Ulluka(Owl - transport of their king Kubera/Kuvera) and Kinneras to the Sarasa/Vagala/Bagala(Crane) in the sense Yakshas were adepts in nightime warfare(nocturnal) like the owl and Kinneras were essentially hunters, just as a crane hunts for its food pointing to daytime warfare.

jvk

jvk wrote:

Christopher Sidor wrote: I seriously hope that you are not suggesting that Tibet is part of India ?

Chris,

Why not? Do you mean, Tibet was never part of India/Greater India?

Many part of the ancient Tibet right now are inside India. The major monasteries and several towns of the Tibet are inside India now.