North Korea conducts underground nuclear test

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Now SoKo breathes fire and thunder against SoKo!

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South Korea warn of retaliation against North's aggression
Kim Jong-un announced a 'state of war' over the weekend

South Korea has warned the North that an attack on its territory will be met with retaliation, as tension simmers on the fractured peninsula.

Early on Saturday, the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un made some of his strongest threats yet, and warned an "all out war, a nuclear war" could be imminent.

This followed United Nations sanctions imposed after his country's February nuclear test and a series of joint U.S. and South Korean military drills that have included a rare U.S. show of aerial power.

And today, at a meeting of senior officials, South Korea's President Park Geun-hye said: "If there is any provocation against South Korea and its people, there should be a strong response in initial combat without any political considerations."

The South has changed its rules of engagement to allow local units to respond immediately to attacks, rather than waiting for permission from Seoul.

Stung by criticism that its response to the shelling of a South Korean island in 2010 was slow and weak, South Korea's government has also threatened to target North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and to destroy statues of the ruling Kim dynasty in the event of any new attack, a plan that has outraged Pyongyang.

Seoul and its ally the United States played down Saturday's statement from the official KCNA news agency as the latest in a stream of tough talk from Pyongyang.

But there have been no signs of unusual activity in the North's military to suggest imminent aggression, a South Korean defence ministry official said last week.

Park's intervention came on the heels of a meeting of the North's ruling Workers Party Central Committee where leader Kim Jong-un rejected the notion that Pyongyang was going to use its nuclear arms development as a bargaining chip.

Yesterday the North's ruling Workers’ Party said nuclear weapons are “the nation’s life” that will not be traded even for “billions of dollars.”

North Korea has cancelled an armistice agreement with the United States that ended the Korean War (which technically never ended - there is no peace traty) and cut all hotlines with U.S. forces, the United Nations and South Korea.
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The NoKo dramabazi was to enable the codifying of their nuke doctrine and its defacto accptance by US!!!

Nightwatch reports:


Night Watch 4/1/2013
North Korea: On 1 April the government convened the seventh session of the 12 Supreme People's Assembly (SPA) in Pyongyang, pursuant to the Central Committee's directions on 31 March for legislation to institutionalize the nuclear armed forces, to develop the economy and to approve various appointments. The centerpiece of the meeting was "a law on consolidating the position of nuclear weapons state for self-defense (sic). "


"An ordinance of the Supreme People's Assembly of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) in this regard was promulgated on Monday, 1 April."


"The DPRK is a full-fledged nuclear weapons state capable of beating back any aggressor troops at one strike, firmly defending the socialist system and providing a sure guarantee for the happy life of the people…."


"The Supreme People's Assembly of the DPRK decides to consolidate the position of the nuclear weapons state as follows:


1. The nuclear weapons of the DPRK are just means for defense as it was compelled to have access to them to cope with the ever-escalating hostile policy of the U.S. and nuclear threat.


2. They serve the purpose of deterring and repelling the aggression and attack of the enemy against the DPRK and dealing deadly retaliatory blows at the strongholds of aggression until the world is denuclearized
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3. The DPRK shall take practical steps to bolster up the nuclear deterrence and nuclear retaliatory strike power both in quality and quantity to cope with the gravity of the escalating danger of the hostile forces' aggression and attack.


4. The nuclear weapons of the DPRK can be used only by a final order of the Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army to repel invasion or attack from a hostile nuclear weapons state and make retaliatory strikes.


5. The DPRK shall neither use nukes against the non-nuclear states nor threaten them with those weapons unless they join a hostile nuclear weapons state in its invasion and attack on the DPRK.


6. The DPRK shall strictly observe the rules on safekeeping and management of nukes and ensuring the stability of nuclear tests. :rotfl:


7. The DPRK shall establish a mechanism and order for their safekeeping and management so that nukes and their technology, weapon-grade nuclear substance may not leak out illegally. :rotfl:

8. The DPRK shall cooperate in the international efforts for nuclear non-proliferation and safe management of nuclear substance on the principle of mutual respect and equality, depending on the improvement of relations with hostile nuclear weapons states. :mrgreen:

9. The DPRK shall strive hard to defuse the danger of a nuclear war and finally build a world without nukes and fully support the international efforts for nuclear disarmament against nuclear arms race. :rotfl: :rotfl:


10. The related institutions shall take thorough practical steps for implementing this ordinance."


The Assembly also amended the constitution, passed a law on space development, and approved necessary organizational changes. It replaced two members of the powerful National Defense Commission.


Comment: The convening of the Assembly is itself a strong sign that the North considers the crisis about over. The agenda of the SPA meeting was normal business. The first week of April is the normal time for the SPA to convene, annually. This was a normal session of the Assembly and preparations and travel had to have been underway during most of March.


The first order of business was to amend the North's constitution to ensure perpetual veneration of the deceased elder Kims. After enacting laws on nuclear weapons and space, the Assembly reviewed the budget, made the personnel changes approved by the Central Committee on Sunday, and approved the work program for the Cabinet for the year.


The nuclear weapons consolidation law is significant for two reasons. First, it makes nuclear weapons non-negotiable without a change of law. That simply will never happen as long as an independent North Korea exists. Item 10 implies that it will be a crime for a North Korean diplomat to consent to nuclear negotiations of any kind.

The second point is related in that the expenditures on nuclear weapons can now be addressed in the normal business of the state and as a factor in the evolving plan for economic construction. With nuclear weapons openly and legally committed to securing national defense, Kim can spend less on the armed forces and use any savings on economic projects. In Sunday's Central Committee meeting, he made the point that boosting the nuclear armed forces will not increase defense spending.


This is another implication of the linkage of nuclear weapons with economic construction. It also is another reason why nuclear weapons are now beyond diplomacy. They are enablers of economic improvement.


The personnel changes that were announced included the recall from the National Defense Commission of two senior military officers who apparently resisted these measures. The Assembly also elected their replacements to the National Defense Commission. They are two officers who have accompanied Kim Jong Un in many of his recent public appearances.


This action would seem to legitimate and complete the purge of a former Minister of the People's Armed Forces and a Minister of the People's Security.


The people almost certainly behind Kim's slick ideological gymnastics are Chang Song Taek, Kim's uncle, and Kim Kyong Hui, Chang's wife and the sister of the late Kim Chong-il. The evidence for this is the naming of Pak Pong Ju as the premier.

Pak once was a deputy to Kim Kyong Hui in the Light Industry Ministry. He also is an associate of Chang and reported to be a member of his group of economic technocrats. Six or so years ago as premier, Pak is reputed to have pushed for an hourly wage system in North Korea and for laws protecting the rights of corporations. Kim Chong-il sacked Pak in 2007 and sent him to manage a cement plant. He has been on the way back to good standing since 2010.

In the rear area. More signs that tension has eased. Sources available to the Daily NK report that in the provinces bordering China, conditions are returning to normal. One noted that the high point of the exercises was the period 26 to 28 March, the period when full combat readiness was in effect. During that period there were lectures, meetings and rallies for soldiers and civilians. Since then there has been nothing special, no exercises or emergency summonses; everything has been quiet."

(Note: intense indoctrination of soldiers and civilians - lectures, meetings and rallies - is standard practice during periods of increased combat readiness.)

Another source said, "The soldiers here have returned to barracks following the end of a spell spent underground. They are now reviewing the year's winter training, while soldiers are also being permitted to go outside their bases….The market here is operating normally, with rice hovering at around the 6800 won level. Farmers are also out there preparing to get started on agriculture, without evacuation or tunnel exercises getting in the way."


Comment: The order to go to full combat readiness was the culmination of the Winter Training Cycle. The reports from the rear indicate the Winter Training Cycle ended last Friday. The review and evaluation period is in progress.

The tension provided cover for North Korea to take steps to ensure that it must be treated as a nuclear armed state. The high military readiness was in part a precaution against the possibility that the US might attack North Korea for its defiance of the UN and the US while it openly declared itself a nuclear weapons state. It also will be useful to show the need for a permanent peace.


The practice of using the threat of war to achieve political or operational gains. The North has done this before. It threatened war when it and China withdrew from and dismantled the Military Armistice Commission in 1994. It also has gone to semi-war state of readiness to cover its activities at Yongbyon, such as refueling the reactor without international supervision. Once Kim Il-sung threatened war to establish the North's right of transit for maritime ships from the port of Haeju to sail between the South Korean held islands off the west coast en route the Yellow Sea.


All three Kims now have used the threat of war to cover their achievement of controversial domestic issues without US interference, as well as to advance international issues. The leadership's willingness to pay such costs measures its continuing inability to gauge accurately Allied reaction, after 60 years.

The North's manipulation of combat readiness measures does not mean it was bluffing. The cost of the civilian mobilization and the increased military readiness steps establish that the North genuinely was prepared to go to general war, but had not made the final decision. Uncertain about the US response, they prepared for the worst.

The situation still is dangerous. There is no armistice. The state of war still exists, as it has for 60 years, and the North's leaders know they can bluff. However, they made the people pay a heavy price for "the new line." The limited information from the rear suggests the country, including the army, is exhausted.

TSp will learn from the new dlagon's seed.

PRC has midwifed the emergence of two Asian nuke powers (TSP and NoKo) right under US hegemony!!! And US hasn't figured out if its feind or foe?
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I think the news is hitting (and going to hit more) major newspapers...

NK has said that it will re-start Yongbyon nuclear reactor. (It is a 5MW graphite reactor and spent fuel from here produced NK's Pu) I had some posts about this reactors many years ago when the reactor was poorly maintained)

NK has also said that Yongbyon's main enrichment facility will now produce weapons grade U. (They suspended, (or said they suspended) enrichment (even LEU) last year (Feb 2012), and in March this year they started it back.

Starting the reactor, will of course be easily detected by the outside world, starting up the centrifuges is more easily hidden.
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It has already hit the news channels like CNN MSNBC FOX


Ramana ji why are items 7 8 9 laugh worthy
thats exactly what PRC, TSP and Unkil did during the late 70s and till late 90s, wink wink nod nod
I admire in ver obtuse way NoKo because they being dictatorship yet openly declare their intent to bomb the world and people laugh and scoff at that
where as few centrifuges running in Iran is world threat? and Pakis proliferating left right center are people of peace and pure?

confusion can onl be cleared by the lkes of Johann Tim et al
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UJ, 7,8,&9 are oxymorons and complete opposite of what NoKo has done and is piously pontificating. Its like the saintly cat going on Haj after eating a 100 mice!


7) talks about controls on nuke materials to prevent illegal leaks. NoKo got all its stuff illegally as they had signed the NPT which in 1995 was extended in perpetuity

8 ) talks about NoKo cooperating based on mutual respect and improvement in relations with hostile nuke powers aka US. NoKO hardly has mutual respect with India when it colluded with TSP in its nuke tests and traded missile delivery systems!


9) NoKo threatens everyday the SoKo and japan and indirectly India by its missile deliveries to TSP and here they talk about their pious resolve.

The declarations are not worth the paper on which they are printed.


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U.S. General Says North Korea Situation Is 'Volatile' and 'Dangerous'
While he described North Korea's missiles as their largest threat, Thurman pointed across the DMZ and noted "there's 14,000 tubes of artillery just across this line beyond that far mountain range over there." That artillery poses a direct threat to Seoul, the South Korean capital which is located just 27 miles from the DMZ.
On Monday the U.S. Navy confirmed that it had sent the guided missile destroyer, USS John S McCain, to the waters off of South Korea. The ship carries SM-3 missiles capable of shooting down North Korean ballistic missiles. And today the Pentagon confirmed that an additional destroyer, the USS Decatur, was ordered to remain in the Pacific region
North Korea pressures South by halting entry to industrial zone
North Korea closed access to a joint factory zone with South Korea on Wednesday, officials said, putting at risk $2 billion a year in trade that is vital for an impoverished state with a huge army, nuclear ambitions and a hungry population
China mobilizes military, on 'high alert' over N. Korea threats
According to US officials, Pyongyang’s declaration of a ‘state of war’ against South Korea has led to the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to increase its military presence on the border with the North. The officials say the process has been going on since mid-March, and includes troop movements and readying fighter jets. The PLA is now at ‘Level One’ readiness, its highest.

Chinese forces, including tanks and armored personnel carriers, have been spotted in the city of Ji’an and near the Yalu River, which splits China and North Korea. Other border regions were also reportedly being patrolled by planes.
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Its all nautanki fro PRC side.
The situation is that NoKo has been defacto legitimized as nuke weapon state by PRC moves.
All the rest is drama.
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U.S. Sends Missile-Tracking Radar Platform to Korea
The U.S. Navy moved the sea-based X-band radar platform from the Pacific closer to the North Korean coast, according to CNN. The SBX radar platform has the advanced capability to track ballistic missiles. It was the U.S. Navy's first response to the North's ever-ominous belligerent rhetoric.
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The news media is making a global headlines to create a unstable envirnment. Only the PRK govt seems to react to the news media and global news coverage of the mil excersize and events.

This is similar to how the Pak govt reacted to news media report of India mil Op Parakram, LKA statement and various other media information. THe global media is used quite effectively by the super power to provoke, create tension, and also start new incidents which leads to other crisis. The global media got this kind of influence after 2000 when globalization of the media happened.

One example we saw was the Mumbai attack which was covered global and wide coverage. Even the SoS of US wrote in the book how it created crisis. This was a police criminal case and handled by police. But global media created a sense of regional crisis. This is quite effective when countries are starved of real news and reports.

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I endorse Ramana's smiley! What a great con trick by the PRC to get the US worked up so much that they send in their stealth fighters and bombers and ramp up anti NoKo war strategy and tactics under the grandstand view of the Chinese military! The con-artists of Zhongnanhai must be sidesplit with laughter!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... on-US.html

Pentagon mobilises missile defence system as North Korea 'approves nuclear attack on US'
The Pentagon has announced that it is sending an advanced ballistic missile defence system to Guam, as North Korea ramped up its bellicose rhetoric with the announcement that it has given final approval for a nuclear attack on the US.
The General Staff of the Korean People's Army said it was formally informing Washington that US threats would be "smashed by... cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means".

"The merciless operation of (our) revolutionary armed forces in this regard has been finally examined and ratified," the statement, carried by the state news agency and reported by South Korean news agency Yonhap, said.

The Korean statement came as US defence secretary Chuck Hagel warned of a "real and clear" danger from North Korea.

“Some of the actions they’ve taken over the last few weeks, present a real and clear danger,” Mr Hagel told an audience at the National Defense University in Washington.

He said those actions had threatened the interests of South Korea and Japan, but he also cited their direct threats against Guam, an American territory in the Pacific, Hawaii and West Coast of the United States.

Shortly after Mr Hagel spoke, the Pentagon said it was deploying a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system (THAAD), which includes a truck-mounted launcher, interceptor missiles, an AN/TPY-2 tracking radar and an integrated fire control system.

“The United States remains vigilant in the face of North Korean provocations and stands ready to defend U.S. territory, our allies, and our national interests,” a Pentagon spokesman said.

The news that the ground-based system would be in place in the coming weeks came after two Aegis anti-missile destroyers were sent to the western Pacific to intercept any North Korean strike against US or allied targets.

The announcement came after Pyongyang shut down the last shared link with the South by refusing entry to almost 500 South Korean workers who work in a cross-border industrial park.

A THAAD missile (AFP)

Zhang Yesui, the deputy foreign minister, outlined Beijing's "serious concern about the present situation", and added that it expects the escalation of tension to cease.

"All sides must remain calm and exercise restraint and not take actions which are mutually provocative and must certainly not take actions which will worsen the situation," said the foreign ministry.

The Kaesong complex lies six miles inside North Korea and houses 123 South Korean companies and their 53,000 North Korean workers.

A key source of foreign currency for Pyongyang, generating some $100 million (£66 million) each year, it has never been closed, weathering the aftermath of the 2009 nuclear tests and the shelling of Yongpyeong island the following year.

However, North Korea's decision to block workers and supply trucks from entering the site casts doubt over Kaesong's future security.

North Korea said the 861 South Koreans who were at the site on Wednesday were free to return home, but with no replacements arriving for their shifts, only 33 did so.

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"Our workers are on standby to return," said the boss of one factory on the site, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of offending North Korea. "If the situation continues, however, our business will be affected. I am afraid buyers will worry [that our goods will not come out of Kaesong]," he added.

Kim Kwan-jin, Seoul's Defence chief, said if hostages were taken at the site, South Korea would consider military action to free them.

The army has practised an annual drill, called Ulchi Freedom Guardian to free hostages, according to Yonhap, the South Korean news agency.

"Special forces will conduct the operation along with military and government officials in case of crisis," a military official told Yonhap.

However, experts said it was almost unthinkable that South Korean soldiers would storm the border. "If North Korea puts Kaesong workers into danger, military operations should be considered as a last resort," a senior government official told Yonhap. "We should pressure North Korea through diplomatic means."

Workers emerging from Kaesong on Wednesday said production was continuing.

Two US B2 stealth bombers flew over the Korean peninsula (AP)

"There seemed to be nothing different at Kaesong, although customs officers at the border wore uniforms and more soldiers were seen," one textile worker named Roh said.

He added that a greater concern, with supply trucks blocked, is whether the complex runs out of food. South Korea applies for permission to enter Kaesong on a daily basis, and North Korea has not indicated how long the ban will continue.

A spokesman for the Unification ministry noted that North Korea has yet to take any unprecedented steps as it ratchets up press on the international community. He said access to Kaesong had been cut on three occasions in 2009 during the annual military drills between the US and South Korean armies.

France, meanwhile, called on China to rein in North Korea. Laurent Fabius, the French Foreign minister, said China had "power over North Korea" and that he would travel to Beijing next week to discuss the situation.

Senior American officials remain relaxed about the situation, predicting that North Korea will back down after this year's military exercises conclude.

"The North Koreans want the international community to feed their people, fuel their factories and fill their bank accounts," one official told the New York Times. "If North Korea were a self-sufficient enterprise, we would have a much bigger problem on our hands."

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I wonder why all those covert/overt capabilities of USA cannot preempt NoKos nuke capability. Is the fear of NoKo's missile barrage in SoKo borders the real deterrent?
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RamaY wrote:I wonder why all those covert/overt capabilities of USA cannot preempt NoKos nuke capability. Is the fear of NoKo's missile barrage in SoKo borders the real deterrent?
Dont you think some bankers may need a crisis during these times
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Yawn, this is just a warning for the increased interference in Syria.
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US to move missiles to Guam after North Korea threats
The Department of Defense said it would deploy the ballistic Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System (Thaad) in the coming weeks
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N. Korea approves nuclear strike on United States
North Korea dramatically escalated its warlike rhetoric on Thursday, warning that it had authorised plans for nuclear strikes on targets in the United States.

"The moment of explosion is approaching fast," the North Korean military said, warning that war could break out "today or tomorrow".
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John Stewart et al were making fun at a photo showing young dear leader peering into what looks like
Mobile poling booth, saying that NoKo doesn't even have new iPad!!!!

Does one really need a led screen or plasma screen flat screen to have launch terminal?

Will not Nixie tubes do?

Or one really needs the latest flat screen no nixie no CRT ? No launch?


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Pentaiah ji, why not have Full HD when the North Korean Strategic Detergent Commando Team is playing Angry Birds?
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was watching an analyst on the news last night - he was claiming that NoKo have enough Pu for a half Nagasaki warhead and marginal capability with the paintable no-dongs to create a significant pin-prick - and that too against SoKo or Japan, and very unlikely to be of threat to the US - even Guam or Hawaii. the retalliation they would face would be overwhelming, even from SoKo without Unkil help, he thought that NoKo would lose even with WMD attack on SoKo

NoKo's are good at brinkmanship - so the question is, what are they hoping to achieve this time?
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Just a thought: North Korea got to restart their nuclear reactor and the US got an excuse to "pivot" to Asia, i.e. introducing localised US BMD for starters, without China or Russia being seen as the reason. Both US and NoKo should be happy for now. China is angry with NoKo. Russia won't be too happy either.
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Probably they just need some food supplied
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Lalmohan wrote:was watching an analyst on the news last night - he was claiming that NoKo have enough Pu for a half Nagasaki warhead and marginal capability with the paintable no-dongs to create a significant pin-prick - and that too against SoKo or Japan, and very unlikely to be of threat to the US - even Guam or Hawaii. the retalliation they would face would be overwhelming, even from SoKo without Unkil help, he thought that NoKo would lose even with WMD attack on SoKo

NoKo's are good at brinkmanship - so the question is, what are they hoping to achieve this time?
The only spanner in the works is the Pakis and tallen and deepen friend has transferred lots of PU to NOKO, it could be positive as such a transfer will force to USA to remove the wool on its eyes.
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NPA Ayatollahs will blame India, saying TSP had to smuggle PU to NoKo to contain indian threats
Therefore no action on NoKo or TSP but India needs to be sanctioned.

Not my logic but one Dr. Tim
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PratikDas wrote:Just a thought: North Korea got to restart their nuclear reactor and the US got an excuse to "pivot" to Asia, i.e. introducing localised US BMD for starters, without China or Russia being seen as the reason. Both US and NoKo should be happy for now. China is angry with NoKo. Russia won't be too happy either.
Agree. I would further suggest that both SoKo and Japan have their own WKK's folks who in normal course of business would have protested the induction of certain types of weapons deemed to be provocative. This flare-up provides the perfect excuse for US, SoKo and Japan to induct BMD, etc into the region without facing too much opposition in their respective countries.
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Cameron: It is a 'fact' that North Korea could launch a nuclear strike against the UK
The Prime Minister said he was “very concerned” about the threat from North Korea and warned that Pyongyang now has capabilities to strike the United States and Britain.

Speaking to workers in Scotland the Prime Minister said the threat from North Korea showed that Britain needs to keep the Trident nuclear deterrent.{NoKo threat used to justify money spent on Trident program}
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We are looking focus here. Pak is refining its arsenal through NK. That is the main issue IMO.
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North Korea claims to have 'smaller, lighter' nuclear weapons
The statement from North Korea's military said it had been authorized to counter U.S. aggression with “powerful practical military counteractions,” including nuclear weapons.

“We formally inform the White House and Pentagon that the ever-escalating U.S. hostile policy toward [North Korea] and its reckless nuclear threat will be smashed by the strong will of all the united service personnel and people and cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means,” the statement said. “The U.S. had better ponder over the prevailing grave situation.”
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CNN is carrying a report saying that NOKO has a missile with a range of 2500 mi and payload capacity of 2 1/2 tons. That is a big payload. Can they put a crude a-bomb on it and launch it at, say, Guam?
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They would need a bigger launcher than what they got.
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Is North Korea really looking to start a war?
As the US and China grow increasingly involved, Kim Jong-un must be brought into line if war is not to be triggered by an act of recklessness

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... a-war.html
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Earthquake measuring 6.1 on the Richter Scale detected near borders of Russia, China, and North Korea. India can't just sit by if this turns out to be another nuclear test. We must validate our thermonuclear designs.
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^^^ The epicenter
(see link) is
9km (6mi) N of Zarubino, Russia
62km (39mi) ENE of Aoji-ri, North Korea
63km (39mi) ESE of Hunchun, China
608km (378mi) NE of Pyongyang, North Korea

Also notice that the epicenter is about 562 km below the surface, unlikely to be at the end of a human made tunnel.

.. Here is the shake map:
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^^^ BTW there is a very nice iPhone App from USGS, (the map above is from that) which tracks earthquakes and sends alerts if there is one in your area.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rning.html
All government embassies have been instructed to evacuate staff from Pyongyang after dictator Kim Jong-un warned he could not 'guarantee the safety of foreigners.'
The rogue communist state issued a deadline of April 10 to every government that is represented in North Korea in a dramatic new escalation of the nuclear crisis.
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Per this news source, NK, at least yet, is not exactly asking/instructing evacuation but rather asking them to "consider" it // :wink:

North Korea asks embassies to consider moving diplomats out
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After this crises is over, however it ends, how does one allow NK to have or develop nuclear weapons after this? If they are a year or 2 away from being able to mate a nuke to a long range missile, i don't see the West allowing that to happen. If not now, then certainly in the next couple of years we have to be seeing physical dismantling of NKs nuke capabilities.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ssies.html

North Korea: we can't keep you safe, Pyongyang tells foreign embassies
North Korea has taken a further step to prepare for possible conflict, telling foreign embassies that their safety could not be guaranteed in the event of war.

Having upped the ante so much,Young Leader Kim probably has nasty surprise for SoKo,a quick limited attack,the PRC will then orchestrate a cease-fire with NoKo in a superior position and demanding the removal of sanctions,Dear Young Leader will claim to a great victory over SoKo,delirious celebrations in NoKo and Obama will claim a great "piss in our time" to the world and will get his second ig-Nobel prize!
By Malcolm Moore, Beijing, Julian Ryall in Tokyo and David Blair

6:13PM BST 05 Apr 2013

The foreign ministry on Friday gave ambassadors in Pyongyang until Wednesday to say if they needed help with closing their missions and evacuating staff.

Britain responded by saying there was "no immediate" plan to shut its embassy in North Korea.

The significance of next Wednesday is unclear, although it has also been mentioned as a date for the possible closure of the Kaesong Industrial Complex, a facility inside the North where South Korean companies employ 53,000 people.

On Friday North Korea released a video of Kim Jong-Un firing a handgun

Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, has sparked a regional crisis by testing a nuclear weapon and then revoking the armistice with South Korea and threatening immediate attack.
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In response to tighter United Nations sanctions and annual US-South Korean military exercises, Mr Kim has gone so far as to "authorise" a nuclear strike on America. Washington has responded by bolstering its defences around the Pacific Island base of Guam and sending nuclear-capable B2 bombers over the Korean Peninsula.

But a Foreign Office spokesman made clear that Britain had not decided to close its embassy. London established diplomatic relations with North Korea in 2001, opening an embassy in Pyongyang which concentrates on nuclear proliferation and human rights. Michael Gifford, the current British ambassador, remains in North Korea.

Britain had not interpreted the communication from North Korea as a recommendation to leave, said the Foreign Office. The regime was simply pointing out that it "would be unable to guarantee the safety of Embassies and international organisations" in the "event of conflict".

There were more signs of escalation on Friday. The North Korean foreign ministry declared the question was "not whether, but when a war would break out" owing to the "increasing threat from the United States", according to Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency.

North Korea is understood to have moved a second long range missile to its east coast, which has been the location for previous test launches. The weapons are believed to be "Musudans", an untested model with a possible range of 2,000 to 2,500 miles - theoretically enough to strike Japan and Guam.

South Korea countered by deploying two destroyers equipped with the Aegis missile defence system. One warship will patrol the country's east coast and the other will protect the west, tasked with shooting down any hostile North Korean missiles.

Aegis is a sophisticated system combining radars with projectiles capable of destroying a missile in-flight. At a minimum, the warships would be able to track any North Korean missile launches and establish whether they are harmless test firings - or acts of war. "If the North fires off a missile, we will trace its trajectory," an official told Yonhap, the South Korean news agency.

However, Gen Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, said that North Korea's behaviour followed a familiar pattern of provocation and was unlikely to lead to war. Any such conflict would pit North Korea against the US, guaranteeing Mr Kim's defeat.

A Cuban Army anti-aircraft battery during the 1962 missile crisis (Reuters)

As tensions rise, Mr Kim has stepped up his personal security, perhaps in fear of a military coup, a Japanese newspaper, Chosun Ilbo, reported. In particular, about 100 armoured vehicles have been deployed close to Mr Kim's official residence in Pyongyang, said the paper, quoting diplomatic sources.

"The situation inside North Korea is very unstable and the military are making a lot of complaints to their political leaders," said Toshimitsu Shigemura, an expert on North Korea at Wasaeda University in Tokyo. "The military needs tension with South Korea and the US to justify themselves and Kim is terrified of a coup."

Mr Shigemura added: "These are very clever old soldiers, but Kim is just a 29-year-old with limited experience who has been given the task of leading the country."

Fidel Castro, the retired Cuban leader, described the Korean confrontation as the most dangerous since the missile crisis that he helped to cause in 1962.

While hailing North Korea as a "friend", Mr Castro told the state media that his ally must remember its "duties to other countries". Nuclear war would "affect in a special way more than 70 per cent of the world's population," he said.
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