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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/ ... 81319.html You don't support fighters in Baluchistan?
Of course not. Is anyone seriously suggesting that we have the desire or the capacity to send the infiltrators into Baluchistan?
No I'm asking if you support, not send your own … fighters there in any way?
As I said, Baluchistan is a problem for Pakistan to resolve. It's an internal problem for Pakistan. The point is, since you raised the issue of Kashmir and the border, if Pakistan respects the Line of Control, we will deal with the border issue later. Let Pakistan first learn to respect the Line of Control. Stop infiltrating militants into the Kashmir valley, into India and let there be peace on that line of control and then there can be peace on that land.
See the bold part. Indian Home Minister, Chidambaram is saying that J&K is disputed territory and is not part of India.
It is also interesting that Vajpayee and MMS's speeches gives same impression that J&K is some disputed territory. Is this something which is in psyche of Speech writer babu's, which they catched from western media? The speech-writers falling for too much of psy-op?
Also, why Chidambaram is discussing Naxal issue with a foreign journalist? Is he trying to Outsmart Nehru by internationalizing domestic security issues?
How you reached that conclusion is beyond me...nowhere does he indicate that J&K is not part of India. What is far more significant is the other part...
"Let Pakistan first learn to respect the Line of Control. Stop infiltrating militants into the Kashmir valley, into India and let there be peace on that line of control and then there can be peace on that land. "
What exactly do you think that implies? And which is "that land"? Could it be Baluchistan?
Pakistan's military should listen with care. They may think that, now that there is some semblance of quiet in Swat, now that Obama seems to be cooling the relationship, they have room to up the ante in J&K and elsewhere in India. But the game they are playing can be played by everybody. And played better. It is not only they who can play both sides of the field. A decision has been taken (obviously). And once done these things are bloody hard to reverse, as hard as they are to take. They should listen with care. It really is the future of their country they are playing with. They still have a chance to morph into a normal, human state concerned with normal human concerns. If it continues its dirty games, it will not continue. They should read carefully the noises coming out of India, and not misunderstand or underestimate.
If that's what Chidambaram meant, then it is cat-piss poor communication. There's no chance the Pakistanis are going to understand what he's trying to say, especially since the only definition of "Line of Control" is that from the Shimla Agreement.
I think that PC is a frustrated man as he is responsible for internal security and knows what is happening avross the border,to be exported to India.More mayhem.The buck stops with him and he probably sees that many of his colleagues are clueless to the dangers emanating from our soft diplomacy.The latest scandal in the papers today is the great excitement in certain Indian diplomatic quarters that the head of the ISI attended an "Iftar" dinner at the Indian HC in Islamabad! This is an outrage.In the first place the general who is responsible for the acts of terror against India,should never have been invited.He appears to have been treated like a foreign envoy! While our MEA mandarins are over the moon at HE.Gen-Terror of the ISI attending our HC's dinner party,a gallant Major of the Indian army was killed just a day earlier! What signal does this send to the Indian armed forces? No Indian High Commissioner has ever stooped so low by scraping and bowing before an ISI sh*tworm! This abject act of insanity has made a mockery of all PC's strong statements in the US against Pak's chicanery and refusal to punish the perpetrators of 26/11,that too on the 8th anniversary of 9/11!
It is far better than Indo-Pak discussions are more open and transparent instead of the opacity that clouds them,with dubious back-channel conduits that might have vested interests, leading to suspicions.
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It appears that after S-e-S, while India maintained a tough exterior posture, behind-the-scene activities have been going on. It seems that intelligence agencies from both sides are talking. As Philip says above, the visit of the ISI chief to the Iftaar at Islamabad is not a small thing. Besides him, two of his top ISI colleagues were also in attendance.
The bad judgement of the Dr. Manmohan Singh Government on full display with Pakistan predictably and gleefully using the Sharm El Sheikh Statement to press for Foreign Secretary level discussions:
Foreign secretary may snub Pak invite for talks
TNN 12 September 2009, 02:09am IST
NEW DELHI: Even as India protested against a Gilgit-Baltistan autonomy package and a hydel project in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, Islamabad on Friday formally invited foreign secretary Nirupama Rao for talks before the foreign ministers’ meeting in New York.
Pakistani foreign secretary Salman Bashir extended the invitation to Rao during a meeting with Indian high commissioner Sharat Sabharwal at the foreign office. India is not likely to respond to this invitation, high level sources said.
But it’s clear Pakistan is holding India’s feet to the fire, because Bashir referred to the Sharm el-Sheikh statement where foreign secretaries were supposed to meet as often as necessary.
...and now the old Bandicoot,Gen.Mush-a-rat, in his London Edgeware Rd. hideout,where the British tazpayer is paying 25,000 pounds daily to keep him safe, is breathing fire and thunder against ,saying that we are stirring up trouble in Baluchistan and justifying Pak's nukes thanks to enemy India.True form for any uniformed tribesman from Pak.The raison-d'etre of Pak,hatred of India once more in full flow from the disgraced bandicoot of Pak.
Thanks to SI Singh's great banana skin act at S-al-S,every two bit Paki can now yell from the minarets "Baluchistan" at India,as justification for its terror in Kashmir and on 26/11.
Philip wrote:...and now the old Bandicoot,Gen.Mush-a-rat, in his London Edgeware Rd. hideout,where the British tazpayer is paying 25,000 pounds daily to keep him safe,
This 25,000 pounds daily is great investment for the queendom. The tax payer money is invested very wisely, after all a nation of shop keepers would know how to invest. The returns while he was in and also possibly when out of office is atleast 100 times more for the queendom. So no need for tears about 25000 pounds daily... The serpent is cultivated for a reason and will be used accordingly. The whole of Bakiland can be brought for so cheap that a few 25000 pounds is chump change.
JE Menon wrote:As for cat-piss poor and the rest of it, PC is one of the most careful speakers on the political scene at the moment.
He may be careful, but not much foresight is evident in his speech. Now that the guy scored a self-goal by undermining his own intelligence division over the Jehan encounter, the Pakis do have a point when they pan the evidence he's pushing.
In an indication that Pakistan may be looking to reactivate the backchannel dialogue with India, it appears the government is considering naming the former Foreign Secretary, Riaz Mohammed Khan, to continue the process from where it was left off by the powerful Musharraf regime bureaucrat, Tariq Aziz.
Mr. Khan retired in 2008. As the Foreign Secretary in the Musharraf regime, he was closely involved with the peace process. He is seen as a forward-looking diplomat on both sides of the border, and has the acceptability that is a necessary qualification for a backchannel negotiator.
Earlier, it was reported in the Pakistani press that President Asif Ali Zardari wanted his close friend and a former bureaucrat Salman Farooqui to be the backchannel representative. But with his controversial past, Mr. Farooqui was said to be unacceptable to most other key players in Pakistan, including the Army and the Pakistan Muslim League (N).
Polls can be rigged or slanted any way to obtain the required result.A true poll should've been done in all metros and state capitals at least for a wider more accurate picture of how the nation thinks.However,what is far more important is how MMS's own colleagues viewed the shameful surrender at S-al-S!
Philip wrote:Polls can be rigged or slanted any way to obtain the required result.A true poll should've been done in all metros and state capitals at least for a wider more accurate picture of how the nation thinks.However,what is far more important is how MMS's own colleagues viewed the shameful surrender at S-al-S!
Ground feeling is that, MMS is a western poodle. The farmer and uneducated on ground, has more common sense and guts, than MMS.
Philip wrote:Polls can be rigged or slanted any way to obtain the required result.A true poll should've been done in all metros and state capitals at least for a wider more accurate picture of how the nation thinks.However,what is far more important is how MMS's own colleagues viewed the shameful surrender at S-al-S!
Ground feeling is that, MMS is a western poodle. The farmer and uneducated on ground, has more common sense and guts, than MMS.
I could be wrong, but my sense speaking to Indian IT and other NRI honchos is that MMS according to them is a great statesman compared with "Hindu terrorist" BJP. According to these honchos, TSP is taking on the "terrorists" and MMS is a visionary for supporting TSP as it is good for 'both countries". Uncle need not even have Fox/CNN/BBC mouthpieces to regurgitate its propaganda; just put on "Indians" like these will do the trick; as has been the case with NDTV, CNN_IBN etc.
Well, these guys do not have the vote in India, so they don't quite count. But this is another consequence of the bad education system in India. I remember that my history textbook did not even study the 1971 war.
On the two issues of Balochistan and divorce of terror & dialogue, Salman Haider tries to defend the indefensible offering the same old weak arguments that are not even worth repeating.
However, he doesn't limit himself tp SeS in this op-ed and goes beyond to talk about later developments. His thinking is typical of why India fails wrt Pakistan. He sees merit in DG, ISI attending Iftar at Indian High Commission and the need to talk to reduce infiltration. Does he seriously think that Pakistan will reduce infiltration ? What planet does he live if after 62 years, a senior member of IFS doesn't understand Pakistan's strategies and perfidy ? This is the true handicap of India.
And he sees a 'wide window of opportunity' without explaining what that opportunity is and where does it exist.
On the two issues of Balochistan and divorce of terror & dialogue, Salman Haider tries to defend the indefensible offering the same old weak arguments that are not even worth repeating.
However, he doesn't limit himself tp SeS in this op-ed and goes beyond to talk about later developments. His thinking is typical of why India fails wrt Pakistan. He sees merit in DG, ISI attending Iftar at Indian High Commission and the need to talk to reduce infiltration. Does he seriously think that Pakistan will reduce infiltration ? What planet does he live if after 62 years, a senior member of IFS doesn't understand Pakistan's strategies and perfidy ? This is the true handicap of India.
And he sees a 'wide window of opportunity' without explaining what that opportunity is and where does it exist.
'wide window of opportunity' does actually does exist for america's
"asian israel" and rentboy in this part of the world.
For the porkis it is successful and very economical foreign policy, fully backed by the amrekis and oftentimes coordinated and choreographed by them.
For us to follow haider's balderdash is like having a gaping hole in the head.
CRam,One can understand very well why MMS is "lionised" by the West,because he looks as if he couldn't say "boo" to a goose and has been a loyal WB worker ,part of the great capitalist agenda.It was the tiresome Left that prevented him during the last administration from going overboard with liberalisation,linking us umbilically to the western banking system,which collapsed in spectacular fashion! Yes,he does wear the trappings of a "statesman",with little militaristic ambitions.That role the US has resrved for Pak.The sub-continental "coin" in US eyes has two sides,a quiet hardworking amenable docile India on one side,with a military dominated mercenary state Pak,on the other,ready and willing to engage in "battle and backside" manoeuvres for Uncle Sam!
Great statesman however always have in their court hardened men of stel to whom are entrusted the responsibility of securing the nation's frontiers and its internal security.Nehru had his Sardar by his side and Menon too.Our neo-Nehruvian incumbent must find similar men of steel who can fill these most important roles,especially for foreign affairs,defence and home.In addition,his equivalent of "Chief of Staff",our "world traveller" NSA,should have the mind and mental gymnastics of a chess grandmaster.Whether our good doctor's men in these crucial posts have these qualities is a very debatable point.All that one can say despite the NSA's "don't panic" cries like Corporal Jones in that unforgettable WW2 comedy series,"Dad's Army",the indecent haste with which old WW2 airfields are being reactivated and airstrips under the AAI are being taken over by the military, indicate that emergency fire-fighting measures are being taken with respect to the threat from China.The GOI is running scared but does not want to cause a general panic.Our leaders have been caught with their dhotis down,exposing the sorry state of their "shockings"!
The moment of truth will arrive when the Dalai Lama visits Arunchal Pradesh.India has firmly planted its flag in the state ,also brandishing the flagpole to China in up-yours...sorry,upright position;a "tool" which might very well end up in the dragon's nether regions should it dare to invade! At all costs India must see that his visit is a grand success and that any mischief from the Chinese is dealt with in singular fashion.We cannot discount a pre-emptive move by China just before the visit,seeking to cause mayhem in the state and prevent his visit on the grounds of security.I predict that around Diwali,there are strong chances of the Chinese creating a "fireworks display" or incident during a time when the nation is celebrating its most popular festival.Capitualtion at S-al-S was merely a diplomatic own goal,capitualtion in the high Himalayas would be a catstrophic defeat ,a veritable military tsunami ,something totally unacceptable.
CRS wrote:
I could be wrong, but my sense speaking to Indian IT and other NRI honchos is that MMS according to them is a great statesman compared with "Hindu terrorist" BJP. According to these honchos, TSP is taking on the "terrorists" and MMS is a visionary for supporting TSP as it is good for 'both countries". Uncle need not even have Fox/CNN/BBC mouthpieces to regurgitate its propaganda; just put on "Indians" like these will do the trick; as has been the case with NDTV, CNN_IBN etc.
Many of them (crony secularists) made their fortunes in the off shoring of IT services during the NDA regime and this wealth lets them speak their true mind. Most are totally clueless. Their fear is the gravy train will dry up if there is bad blood between India and US.
ramana wrote:
Many of them (crony secularists) made their fortunes in the off shoring of IT services during the NDA regime and this wealth lets them speak their true mind. Most are totally clueless. Their fear is the gravy train will dry up if there is bad blood between India and US.
Most of the current generation immigrants are extremely selfish. The neither are loyal to their Matrubhoomi nor to their Karmabhoomi. All they focus is their selfish interests. Nothing wrong about it, but they do not mind to sacrifice others to keep the ball rolling. For example people do not want to act against Pakistan for 26/11, just because it MIGHT affect their jobs. To justify their selfish/escapist tendencies they bring G and M words into any/every discussion. These are the mercantilists that B-ji mentioned in the other thread.
CRS wrote:
I could be wrong, but my sense speaking to Indian IT and other NRI honchos is that MMS according to them is a great statesman compared with "Hindu terrorist" BJP. According to these honchos, TSP is taking on the "terrorists" and MMS is a visionary for supporting TSP as it is good for 'both countries". Uncle need not even have Fox/CNN/BBC mouthpieces to regurgitate its propaganda; just put on "Indians" like these will do the trick; as has been the case with NDTV, CNN_IBN etc.
Many of them (crony secularists) made their fortunes in the off shoring of IT services during the NDA regime and this wealth lets them speak their true mind. Most are totally clueless. Their fear is the gravy train will dry up if there is bad blood between India and US.
I was talking to one of the them after May 1998 and he was upset and also furious. He saw that many of his American friends stopped talking to him.
His own selfish personal profit is more important than the security of an entire country.
No clairvoyance was required to predict that the talks last Sunday between the Foreign Ministers of India and Pakistan at New York about resumption of the composite dialogue would be barren, especially after the perceived breakthrough at Sharm el-Sheikh, delinking dialogue from terrorism. India has taken the stand that Pakistan must take action against the culprits of the Mumbai attack, particularly the mastermind, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed. Pakistan says the case against him is half-baked and a single issue should not hold back the relationship. Further, it regrets that the public momentum of Sharm el-Sheikh has not fully registered in India. Indeed, except for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the majority in his party and public opinion in India regard the delinking as untimely and unwise even though he believes that dialogue is the only way forward as conflict with Pakistan is not an option.
Engagement is the accepted mantra of conflict resolution.Pakistan’s civilian Government wants resumption of talks as the best way to prevent attacks by working together and exchanging information, though this route has been tried unsuccessfully earlier. The US feels improved relations will allow Pakistan to focus on fighting the Taliban rather than be distracted by India.
Pakistan’s priority is selectively fighting the Taliban, not turning its guns on Hafiz Saeed and thereby opening a second front. The Afghan Taliban and the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba/Jamaat-ud-Dawa’h are regarded as strategic weapons in Afghanistan and Kashmir respectively for securing strategic depth on both flanks.
The ISI has a deal with the LeT which allows the Punjabi Taliban space to train for jihad and also assist in the war against Pakistan Taliban. There have been no suicide attacks in Punjab for weeks now though they are a regular feature in the North-West. The JuD has a mass popular base due to its ‘philanthropic work’, charities and relief during national disasters currently for Internally Displaced Persons from Swat. Increased violations of the ceasefire agreement of 2003 by Pakistan are designed to pump in LeT reinforcements into Kashmir to activate the dormant militancy this winter.
By taking a public stance of engagement with India, Pakistan is trying to improve its international image and the stock of the civilian regime. Former President Gen Pervez Musharraf is providing out of country support by blaming India for Pakistani youth taking to terrorism due to “oppression of Muslims” in India. Delhi is unlikely to oblige Islamabad in relenting on its core demand of action against Hafiz Saeed, certainly not until the elections in Maharashtra, commemorating the first anniversary of the Mumbai attack and celebrating the unprecedented one year of zero terrorist attacks in India under UPA II.
The credit for no Pakistan-based terrorist strikes must be shared with Washington,DC, and Islamabad. One year — when that happens in November — is a long period of freedom from terrorism and is too unreal to be permanent. In the lull there is a likely deal between the ISI and Punjabi jihadis. More deals get broken than are made in Pakistan, which brings centre-stage the question of linkages in the history of India-Pakistan dialogue.
Delhi has been consistently saying that Pakistan uses terrorism as an instrument of state policy and must abandon it for a fruitful and uninterrupted dialogue to settle by peaceful means, all outstanding issues including Kashmir. While denying any state-sponsorship of terrorism, Pakistan attributes acts of terror to the unresolved Kashmir dispute and lately to India’s indigenous terror outfits. Terrorism and Kashmir have been the core issue with each side advocating its concerns taking precedence over the others. Though never formally articulated, willy-nilly both dropped terrorism and Kashmir “First” before addressing other issues on the composite dialogue. India is no longer — and not for the first time — pressing dismantling of the terrorist infrastructure but disciplining Hafiz Saeed who has filed a case against his arrest.
Look at the dialogue graph and how spoilers have periodically spiked it. The attack on Parliament in December 2001 severed the dialogue process so acutely that the two coun tries nearly went to war. One worthy lesson from Operation Parakram is that was is simply not an option. It was this outcome that persuaded former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee to extend the hand of friendship to restore the peace process in January 2004. Three valuable years and hard-built trust were lost.
In July 2006, the Mumbai train bombings derailed the talks for several months till Mr Singh and Gen Pervez Musharraf resuscitated the dialogue on the sidelines of the Nam summit in Havana by establishing the discredited Joint Anti-Terror Mechanism which had its first meeting in early 2007. This mechanism became the unlikely crutch with which to rescue any future casualties of the dialogue. The Samjhauta Express attack in February 2007 dislocated the talks which were quickly referred to the JATM. This was followed by the bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul in February 2008 and the mother of all terrorist attacks, in November that year in Mumbai.
Not only has no progress been made in the composite dialogue, the overall climate of suspicion and distrust has also worsened and new areas of dispute cropped up — Afghanistan, Baluchistan and water. Between 2002 and 2009 Pakistan’s top leaders have at least six times committed publicly not to permit the use of their soil for attacks against India. Only after Mumbai did Islamabad acknowledge that the attack emanated from its soil, but that there was no involvement of the state.
It is clear that linkages between terror and dialogue have not worked as there is not yet a permanent insulation of the dialogue from spoilers. India’s reaction to terrorist attacks has been proportionate to the visibility of targets, intensity of damage and scale of casualties. The strike on Parliament was equated with an assault on India’s democracy and sovereignty; the Mumbai attacks a stab at India’s commercial heart; and the train attacks while high on casualties were low in profile.
India has moved from zero tolerance to an acceptable threshold and distinguishing between non-state actors and state connivance. Pakistan is suggesting engagement so that future attacks can be prevented. DG ISI, Lt Gen Shuja Pasha has made two recent overtures: briefing Indian High Commission Defence Advisor in Islamabad and attending the Indian High Commissioner’s iftaar.
Between the devil and the deep sea, India fixated on Hafiz Saeed has not option but to engage Pakistan, opening new channels with ISI and the Army.
ramana wrote:No. He is a Retd Maj Gen and what he writes usually reflects their thinking.
Why do you want to sue me too?
No I don't want to sue you .. but I think its a stretch to say that Ashok Mehta's writing reflects the thinking of the Army top brass much less the whole Indian Army ...
I don't know whether Ashok K Mehta's musings reflect the IA's thinking process. However, he has clearly captured the plight of the Indian leadership. Bungling after bungling and a soft, dhimmi approach have led to a situation where they simply don't know what else to do. That's why Ashok K Mehta, in spite of being completely aware of Pakistani villainy, has to say:"India has moved from zero tolerance to an acceptable threshold and distinguishing between non-state actors and state connivance." Unfortunately, that is completely true.
The Sharm-el-Sheikh capitulation is a continuation of the same streak that we have witnessed since 1947. I am still waiting to see all the benefits of SeS that were touted. Meanwhile, all I am seeing is how SeS has enabled Pakistan to keep issuing threats and build a case for washing its hands off completely the next time India is terrorized. There won't even be an attempt to investigate or arrest anybody in Pakistan the next time around.
SSridhar wrote:I don't know whether Ashok K Mehta's musings reflect the IA's thinking process. However, he has clearly captured the plight of the Indian leadership. Bungling after bungling and a soft, dhimmi approach have led to a situation where they simply don't know what else to do. That's why Ashok K Mehta, in spite of being completely aware of Pakistani villainy, has to say:"India has moved from zero tolerance to an acceptable threshold and distinguishing between non-state actors and state connivance." Unfortunately, that is completely true.
The Sharm-el-Sheikh capitulation is a continuation of the same streak that we have witnessed since 1947. I am still waiting to see all the benefits of SeS that were touted. Meanwhile, all I am seeing is how SeS has enabled Pakistan to keep issuing threats and build a case for washing its hands off completely the next time India is terrorized. There won't even be an attempt to investigate or arrest anybody in Pakistan the next time around.
If the ungodly LET chief culprit of the 26/11 attacks can atttend an iftar party of the ISI a day before he was "arrested",then what is the difference between a state actor and a non-state actor?There is in truth none,only one species that of pro-active enemies of India.The only visible difference that I can see is that the non-state actors wear different civilian clothes and sport beards,while on the other side of the coin,they wear military uniforms!
If the latest utterings from the GOI are to be taken at face value (Pak must stop using terror as an instrument of state policy) and strictly enforced,by that stricture we should have no meaningful relationship with the TSP,there is a hardening of the Indian position,as the avalanche of criticism post S-al-S has gone home.The only fly in the ointment is that the US has still refused to punish its rent-boy and aid will still flow to Pak each year with a fig-leaf of conditions,which every president will bend over backwards to placate Uncle Sam's catamite to the detriment of India.Fed upon this diet of US military and financial aid,Pak cares little about Indian outrage at its caseless terror.The GOI must stand firm and maintain a principled position with respect to Pak despite pressure from the US,and chalk out a variety of responses,diplomatic and military when the next major terror attack from Pak,which is inevitable arrives.
The nightmare scenario I envision would be another ferocious terror attack by TSP, and all & sundry from TSPA/ISI/RAPE, the US govt and its mouthpiece media, along with their other western lackeys; all blame India for not having advanced the "peace process" thereby giving "non state TSP actors" a ruse. And this will be lapped up like honey and milk by India's anglcized elite from WKKs, to Indian middle class, to IT honchos; except for assorted "Hindu extremists" like us on BR.
Well it can be a reinvention of "good Telban" and a power sharing arrangement with Karazai. Eventually the "good Taleban" will push the Tajiks out as a community (not necessarily as collaborator warlords) from south and centre, to recapture power in Kabul.
US will try to push for a Northern Ireland type solution for J&K on India, ignoring the actual TSP plan to extend Mughalistan. A semi-independent J&K with international "peace-keepers" presence led by US troops - is one of the best possible strategic locations USA can hope for regarding checkmating Russia and China and controlling the CAR's.
The problem with US diplomacy is that they want NO Indian role in Afghanistan,when Afghanistan is a neighbour of India! What is theinterloper,Uncle Sam doing in the region? In truth,there is NO role for the US in Afghanistan.Eventual;y,whatever Obama and co. do,the US will tuck its tail between its legs one day and slink out as it did in Vietnam.One cannot even rule out a clash between the US and Paki troops just as India/IPKF and the LTTE went to war which was not intended.
We must be like the vulture and wait patiently,supporting the Karzai govt. to the hiltm,assisting in development works and financing covertly those Afghan groups friendly to India.Equally important are the northern neighbours of Afghanistan who need to be nurtured by India in conjunction wiht Russia.Pak can be outflanked from the north too and Indo-IRanian relations must be maintained at a high level to put pressure upon P{ak's wetsern border.
prad wrote:Poland is a much better place for US to checkmate Russia. even though the BMD plans for Poland were scrapped, this will result in generous defense sales to Poland over the next decade in non-BMD military techs and arms, including fighter jets. as for checkmating China, US already has a good presence in East Asia to stop any potential Chinese adventurism. a post in Kashmir will be just another addition to an already robust US presence vis-a-vis China.
Philip wrote:The problem with US diplomacy is that they want NO Indian role in Afghanistan,when Afghanistan is a neighbour of India! What is theinterloper,Uncle Sam doing in the region? In truth,there is NO role for the US in Afghanistan.Eventual;y,whatever Obama and co. do,the US will tuck its tail between its legs one day and slink out as it did in Vietnam.One cannot even rule out a clash between the US and Paki troops just as India/IPKF and the LTTE went to war which was not intended.
We must be like the vulture and wait patiently,supporting the Karzai govt. to the hiltm,assisting in development works and financing covertly those Afghan groups friendly to India.Equally important are the northern neighbours of Afghanistan who need to be nurtured by India in conjunction wiht Russia.Pak can be outflanked from the north too and Indo-IRanian relations must be maintained at a high level to put pressure upon P{ak's wetsern border.
Philip saar,
The US desperately wants Indian boots on the ground in afghanistan.
They have tried really hard to convince us that we should be fighting the evildoers as it is "our" neighbourhood, as indeed they wanted our "help" in iraq.
We have a large, disciplined, very comprehensive and very brown Armed forces that they feel is better suited to bleed than their own precious and white skinned amreki and europeans who are generally barrack bound and depend on some joker safely sitting in kansas or where ever to launch the predator strike.
Brown body bags will not lose them votes either in amrika or europe.
Atleast bush was stupid and not devious like obama.
^^^
Unkil is more concerned with getting money's worth out of its GUBO b!tch TSP. They are more receptive towards puki pov which argues for India's exit from Afghanistan. Indian boots on the ground will remain a dream for unkil as long as TSP remains their Munna. Unkil can either have India or TSP to do its bidding, not both at the same time.
The US desperately wants Indian boots on the ground in afghanistan.
They have tried really hard to convince us that we should be fighting the evildoers as it is "our" neighbourhood, as indeed they wanted our "help" in iraq.
We have a large, disciplined, very comprehensive and very brown Armed forces that they feel is better suited to bleed than their own precious and white skinned amreki and europeans who are generally barrack bound and depend on some joker safely sitting in kansas or where ever to launch the predator strike.
Brown body bags will not lose them votes either in amrika or europe.
Atleast bush was stupid and not devious like obama.
My friend, you are giving way too much credit for Obama's 'independent' thinking. He is a little pygmy giving good speeches while the white boys around him make the polciy.
Coming to Afganisthan, I hope India sticks to its guns. Indian troops in Afganisthan means TSP terror will be at full throttle. Not worth Indian lives. Right now, its best to let the white boys and Talibunnies/ISI fight it out. My view is that the issue is not some bogus Al Queda terror. Its more a question of US credibility and H&D. The white boys can't be seen to tuck their tails & run away from Talibuinnies. Thats the problem. The other minor irritant US faces are the western lackeys. They are getting weary and wondering why they are in Afganisthan fighting on behalf of their big brother. Of course, US knows that the real solution to Afganisthan lies in Pindi/I'bad. But then weakening the "martial race" means that those smarty dirty monkey worshipiing Hindooss with their Brahmin-dominated caste system will rear their ugly heads beyond 'south asia'. Thats a bigger nightmare than a few white boys body bags coming home figting the Talibunnies.
all this talk about fear of indians by americans etc is misplaced. simple truth is indians love america. and americans love india. indian names are becoming more common etc. etc.
how about below, america has a base in J&K. India sends troops to afghanistan -- pak cannot play their shenanigans on india anymore and can fight in afghanistan.
Why threaten, however mildly? Simply act.
