Osama Bin Laden Killed in Pakistan-2

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This sounds right, a perfidious paki seems to be involved after all and for personal profit too. :)


For American citizenship, Pak official betrayed Osama: report


A Pakistani intelligence officer, who wished to secure American citizenship for his family, gave details of Osama bin Laden's whereabouts to the US, in a deal worth $25 million.

The Pakistani officer also informed the US officials that Saudis were paying off Pakistan and ISI to keep bin Laden hidden in the Abbottabad compound, Daily Mail reported.

The paper said this account disputes widely published reports that a courier working for bin Laden was the catalyst for the famous Navy SEAL Team Six mission.

The deal, the Mail said, included the roughly $25 million reward offered by the State Department for information leading to the capture dead or alive of the al Qaeda leader, who was billed as the world's most wanted terrorist.

The State Department said it would not comment on the report.

The report quoted to a blog claimed Pakistani military, as well as the spy agency ISI, not only knew about the American raid, but also cooperated. 8)

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^^^
Out come the consiparcy stories. The original article of Daily Mail is over here

It is noteworthy that Daily Mail is also not reporting this. Rather it is a blog, "TheSpyWhoBilledMe.com" which originally carried the story.

A case of smoke and mirrors....
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Something is brewing... Pakisatan better watch out.
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X-post from TSP thread
Pakistan hands over key Bali bombing suspect to Indonesia
An Indonesian militant who allegedly made the explosives used in the 2002 Bali bombings returned to his homeland under tight security on Thursday, more than six months after he was captured in northwest Pakistan.

Umar Patek had a $1 million bounty on his head when authorities caught up with him Jan. 25 in Abbottabad - the same town where Osama bin Laden was killed in a US commando attack four months later.

Indonesia's anti-terrorism chief, Ansyaad Mbai, told The Associated Press that it was no coincidence that Patek turned up in Abbottabad.

"Patek was very valuable for the US," he said Wednesday, hours before the 41-year-old boarded an Indonesian plane sent to a Pakistani air force base just outside Islamabad.

"He helped lead authorities to bin Laden," Mbai said, without elaborating.
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How many people led the US to OBL's lair!

Eg:Bali bomber, courier, ISI, TSPA, Pak army officer. Soon it will be dus percent!

Truly validates the aphorism "Victory has a thousand fathers and defeat none!"
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Increasingly I am believing what I was told - The SEALs practiced for 2 years and knew who was living in Abbottabad.
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ramana wrote:How many people led the US to OBL's lair!

Eg:Bali bomber, courier, ISI, TSPA, Pak army officer. Soon it will be dus percent!

Truly validates the aphorism "Victory has a thousand fathers and defeat none!"

ramana ji,

Rember the old adage (and psyops 101). :wink:

When you cannot convince them, confuse them.

Its only the pakis who stand to benefit if the phata abduls do not link the glorious paki army to this perfidious mess.
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X-post..
Thomas Kolarek wrote:Bin Laden Turned in by Informant -- Courier Was Cover Story by R J Hillhouse
Forget the cover story of waterboarding-leads-to-courier-leads-to bin Laden (not to deny the effectiveness of waterboarding, but it’s just not applicable in this case.) Sources in the intelligence community tell me that after years of trying and one bureaucratically insane near-miss in Yemen, the US government killed OBL because a Pakistani intelligence officer came forward to collect the approximately $25 million reward from the State Department's Rewards for Justice program.

The informant was a walk-in.

The ISI officer came forward to claim the substantial reward and to broker US citizenship for his family
. My sources tell me that the informant claimed that the Saudis were paying off the Pakistani military and intelligence (ISI) to essentially shelter and keep bin Laden under house arrest in Abbottabad, a city with such a high concentration of military that I'm told there's no equivalent in the US.

The CIA and friends then set about proving that OBL was indeed there. And they did.

Next they approached the chiefs of the Pakistani military and the ISI. The US was going to come in with or without them. The CIA offered them a deal they couldn't refuse: they would double what the Saudis were paying them to keep bin Laden if they cooperated with the US. Or they could refuse the deal and live with the consequences: the Saudis would stop paying and there would be the international embarassment...

The ISI and Pakistani military were cooperating with the US on the raid.
The cooperation was why there were no troops in Abottabad. They were all pulled out. It had always seemed very far-fetched to me that a helicopter could crash and later destroyed in an area with such high military concentration without the Pakistanis noticing.
But then it seemed even wilder to believe that a US Navy SEAL (DEVGRU) actually shot a woman who rushed them in the leg. Yeah, right. I know these guys. They only way they'll shoot a woman in the leg is if they are double tapping a head or chest and that leg got in the way.

DEVGRU shoots to kill.

The cover story was going to be a drone strike in Pakistan. Things went south when the helicopter crashed. The White House freaked and the cooperating Pakistanis were thrown under the bus.

Splat.
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A new story/spin on how OBL was taken out:
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... b-ali.html
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A_Gupta wrote:A new story/spin on how OBL was taken out:
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... b-ali.html
Obviously an attempt to portray Pakistanis as honorable men, who were either blackmailed by the Saudis or screwed by the Americans.
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Clearly what RajeshA says here. Who is the author of that article? I could not find a name to that one...
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^^^Retd Brigadier F.B. Ali
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>>^^^Retd Brigadier F.B. Ali

Aha, I remember this name. Didn't this fu(kwit actually write some sort of Benisian column on various Pak newspapers a few years ago?
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Osama bin Laden 'was dead in 90 seconds' - TOI
LONDON: Six months after his death, a new book has claimed that Osama bin Laden was shot dead within 90 seconds of the beginning of a raid on his Pakistani hideout by US commandos, and not killed after a 45-minute firefight.

Author Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of elite US Navy Seal Team Six, whose members carried out the raid in May this year, claims in his book that bin Laden was shot dead "almost instantly", challenging the official version of how the al-Qaeda founder died.

"Bin Laden was dead within 90 seconds of the beginning of the raid, not after an extended firefight. Four suppressed rounds were fired," Pfarrer said.

Claiming to have interviewed several men involved in the raid, the author also contradicted the official account of how the US Navy Seal team landed and how one of their Black Hawk helicopters crashed, 'The Daily Telegraph' reported.

"The SEALs entered the building after being deposited on the roof by the lead helicopter, not from the ground. Only minutes after bin Laden was dead did the lead helicopter, heading for a landing spot, lose altitude and sink, tail- first, into the large walled enclosure east of the main house," Pfarrer said in a statement about his book.

The author explains that if the naval commandos had been forced to climb stairs to reach bin Laden, as has been officially claimed, he would have had enough warning to arm and effectively defend himself.

Pfarrer adds that Amal bin Laden, the al-Qaeda chief's youngest wife, was wounded in the calf during the second round of fire, as she was shoved her in the way of the shooters.

The book also argues that bin Laden's long-time deputy, Ayman Zawahiri, may have been responsible for leading the US to his boss as he repeatedly sent a courier in and out of the compound in Abbottabad.
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Is Zwahiri enjoying Sasural Mehmani in Massa!
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Eager to become Al Qaeda chief, Aymen al-Zawahiri set up Osama bin Laden by repeatedly sending to his hideout in Pakistan's Abbottabad a courier who had been interrogated by the Central Investigation Agency, claims the book.

Despite knowing that this operative was blown, Zawahiri used Abu Ahmed al Kuwaiti to make repeated trips to bin Laden's compound, says the book. "Based on this accumulation of information, one can draw conclusion that it was Zawahiri who led the US to bin Laden's hiding place in Abbottabad, accomplishing this through a complex and persistent series of lapses in security," he said.

"Some of these slips were subtle and some of them were so obvious that they were laughable," Pfarrer wrote in his book, which also claims that Zawahiri even tried to get the Russians to kill bin Laden and he also wrongly diagnosed bin Laden.

"Zawahiri tried to get the Russians to kill bin Laden; they did not. He hoped that Addison's disease would take him, but it did not. Now Zawahiri played his final card – he deliberately used a blown courier to communicate with Osama, and the inevitable happened. The Americans found him," Pfarrer wrote in his 225-page book.

He said that for 30 years, 60-year-old Zawahiri had been willing to use violence to bring about his idea of Islamic government. Now, the Muslim faithful were throwing off the chains of dictatorship, the book said.

"Zawahiri had worn himself out trying to get Osama to escalate his attacks against the West. Repeated plans to smuggle chemical weapons into the US had come to naught and now Zawahiri had had enough. By late in 2009, he had determined to wrest control of Al Qaeda from bin Laden," the book says.
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^^ Seems like classic disinformation campaign by the Khan to confuse Al-Q even more.
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maybe, but there is a point here, why use someone as courier whom you known is being watched by your enemy
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psyops, unkil wants it known that #2 is against #1
(as an aside, even riedel in the bbc programme made jokes brf-style about #3's being bumped off conveniently to coincide with mush-bush summits)
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Good we still have this thread......

New Research into OBL's last days
Shaukat Qadir, 62, a former infantry commander, spent thousands of dollars of his own money and eight months of investigation putting together his report because he was suspicious of official explanations of bin Laden's life and death, the Times reports. Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan on May 2, 2011, by U.S. forces.

Among Qadir's claims:

•Bin Laden's fifth :eek: wife, Amal Ahmed al-Sadah, told Pakistani interrogators that her husband underwent a kidney transplant in 2002, a claim that raises questions about who was helping him.

•Another bin Laden wife told interrogators that her husband shaved his beard :eek: and disguised himself as a Pashtun tribal elder as he traveled between safe houses before settling in a house in Abottabad, Pakistan, in 2005.

•Al-Qaeda operatives betrayed bin Laden :eek: for reward money from the United States. "They wanted bin Laden gone, and they wanted a share of the $25 million," Qadir says.

Qadir's army background has helped in his research. The military granted him permission for two visits to the house in Abbottabad, the Times reports. He also was granted an interview with a military official who interviewed bin Laden's three wives. :mrgreen:

In the meantime, a government-organized group known as the Abbottabad Commission has been working to collect details about how bin Laden managed to elude authorities and survive, according to the Times. The group is led by a Supreme Court judge and has been working since May. The publication of findings, originally slated for December, has been repeatedly postponed, :rotfl: the Times reports.

Qadir's work has come under criticism because of its heavy reliance on Pakistani military and intelligence sources.

Terrorism analyst Peter Bergen, author of an upcoming book detailing bin Laden's last years, is condemning Qadir's claims. Qadir's report is "larded with strange conspiracies," Bergen says. "When I was in Abbottabad in July, plenty of people told me bin Laden didn't live there," Bergen says. "What do you say to that?"

Qadir concedes some of his claims are based on conjecture and admits some of his military and government sources may have hidden some facts. "I'd be a bloody fool if I didn't see that," he says.
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All this story of feuding wives is cover up the TSP betrayal of the Sheikh! Its very convenient that Shaukat Qadir* writes a story based on TSP military sources and blames the wives! Sort of harem intrigues while the real rogues were in Pindi (Do Nothing and all), Isloo(Dus percenti et al) with NYC (Hussein Haqqani and Ijaz) thrown in.

* Recall this guy wrote fantasy about Kargil perfidy/intrusion and how Mushy's plan was strategically brilliant and got thwarted by Bofors high angle fire etc.
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Standard procedure - its just a CYA (Cover your musharaaff) measure. Get some independent to deliver report on the subject who won't go too far in either direction and won't be critical on TSPA mistakes/perfidy. Whats new - its funny how every country uses the same tactics.
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bin Laden's methods for undetected travel revealed
bin Laden issued detailed and complicated instructions as to how his wife -- referred to "Um Hamzah," or "mother of Hamzah" -- was to be moved to Pakistan and eventually reunited with him.
Once inside Pakistan, the letter said, she was to be taken "to the tunnel between Kuhat and Peshawar," where she should meet an al-Qaida contact and switch vehicles. "The meeting will be precise in timing and it will be inside the tunnel, and they will change cars inside the tunnel," he wrote, later explaining that moving through the tunnel was key to "avoiding surveillance."
Bin Laden also warned of "the importance of getting rid of everything they received from Iran, like baggage or anything, even as small as a needle". "Since the Iranians are not to be trusted, then it is possible to plant chips in some of the coming people's belongings," he wrote.
Retired Pakistan Army officer who conducted an investigation on bin laden's presence in pakistan and US raid, Brigadier Shaukat Qadir's theory is that Khairiah betrayed her husband, leading authorities to him as she made her way from Iran. Bin Laden was killed in the U.S. raid within two or three months of her arrival.
So did iran help US locate bin laden?? If so, was this done to put US pressure on israel not to attack iran?? Geopolitics makes strange bedfellows indeed.
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Read my post of March 8, 2012. All this harem intrigue stories are cover for TSPA betrayal. Despite all those precautions OBL got sold out by TSPA and got fed to the fishes.

Brave Brig Qadir is known fabricator. Recall his yarns on Kargil brilliance and high angle fire.
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ramana wrote:Read my post of March 8, 2012.
Sir, i had not gone through all the posts in this thread, hence posted the article from msnbc.
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No problem.
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Sanger, David E. Confront and Conceal: Obama's Secret Wars and Surprising Use of American Power Random House, Inc..
Both men were sufficiently obsessed with the failures surrounding the bin Laden hunt and knew that only new thinking—and new technology—would crack the case.

Soon they turned to the national laboratories, known for their work on nuclear weapons, for ideas about how to find a lone terrorist in Pakistan. The scientists had plenty of ideas—some good, some wacky. One stood out. Bin Laden loved nothing more than to make videos that kept his message alive, and someone had to be producing and distributing those videos. So the labs came up with the idea of flooding Pakistan with new digital cameras in hopes that bin Laden’s videographers were eager for an upgrade. Each digital camera, the labs said, contained a unique signature with signals that are identifiable and, with luck, traceable.* Wouldn’t it be the ultimate irony if bin Laden’s next video threat to destroy the West became a beacon for a Predator drone strike? Within months, new cameras seeped into the distribution chain in Peshawar, where everyone in the tribal regions comes to shop. It was a pretty brilliant strategy.

Alas, it didn’t work. It turned out that Osama bin Laden hadn’t been in the rugged mountains of Pakistan for years. Instead, he was making his videos from a dank living room, barely a mile from where Pakistan’s entire military leadership had been trained.

Leiter declines to talk about the cell that he and Kappes ran; the techniques they used, including the traceable digital cameras, are still relied on by the CIA and law enforcement officials, and remain highly classified.

But shortly after leaving government, Leiter said that the cell’s efforts were something of a Hail Mary pass. “In the end,” he said, “we knew the secret would be the couriers—you had to find the couriers.” He was right. The break came roughly a year later, in the summer of 2010, when the National Security Agency captured a mobile-phone conversation between a longtime courier for al-Qaeda, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, and a friend he had been out of touch with for a long time.† To the untrained ear, it sounded like a typical catch-up conversation.

“Where have you been?” the friend asked. “We’ve missed you. What’s going on in your life? And what are you doing now?”

“I’m back with the people I was with before,” al-Kuwaiti replied.

His friend paused for a moment, and then replied, “May God be with you.”1

To anyone who didn’t know the pedigree of the participants, it wasn’t much. But the conversation enabled the NSA to home in on al-Kuwaiti’s whereabouts. Soon two Pakistani agents were able to pull up behind his white Suzuki, which had a distinctive rhino tire cover on its spare, in the bustling streets of Peshawar, the Pakistani city closest to the mountainous territory where bin Laden was believed to be hiding. Yet al-Kuwaiti did not head into the mountains that day. Instead, he headed east—across the Indus River—to Abbottabad. Northeast of Pakistan’s capital, the small city is a wealthy, popular holiday destination for Pakistanis trying to escape the summer heat farther south.
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Hindu reports today
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... epage=true

In a fresh damning disclosure, a new book has claimed that Abbottabad house where al-Qaeda chief lived was “carved out” from Pakistan Military Academy compound and its powerful army chief may have been briefed beforehand on the ‘kill Osama mission’.

’Leading from Behind: The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him’, penned by eminent American journalist Richard Miniter, which has hit the stands, claims that land of the Abbottabad compound, where Osama bin Laden lived with his family, was “carved out” from the elite military academy compound.

The book also claims that army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani may have been briefed by the US on its operation to kill bin Laden, some five months in advance.

“Pakistan’s Army chief of staff may have been briefed in December 2010, five months before the night-time raid on bin Laden’s concrete castle. Far from taking a risk, there are indications that a cover story had been developed with the Pakistani military and that (Barack) Obama had their tacit consent for the mission,” claims Miniter, a former reporter with ‘The Wall Street Journal’ and ‘The Washington Post’

Bin Laden was killed by US Navy SEALs inside his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan in May 2011.

The book also says a colonel in the Pakistan’s spy agency ISI had provided vital help to the CIA in tracing bin Laden.

“A colonel in Pakistan’s feared intelligence service, the Inter-Services Institute or ISI, provided vital help in locating Bin Laden when he walked into the CIA’s Islamabad station in August 2010,” says the book.

“In a never-before-reported account, Pakistan was more involved in the bin Laden operation than Obama’s team admitted. When the CIA revealed that an ISI colonel had contacted the CIA in Islamabad and offered information about bin Laden, a debate followed,” it says.

“Was this a secret sign that the head of the ISI himself was pointing out bin Laden’s hiding place or was the colonel actually the patriot who hated extremism that he claimed to be? Whatever the motivation, the CIA found bin Laden’s hiding place within a month of the colonel’s visit,” the book claims.

“There was talk about devising a cover story that would allow Pakistan to be helpful while keeping its leaders from political harm. The story, according to an official with second-hand knowledge of the White House discussion, was that bin Laden was killed in a drone strike and that the US later sent in a team to recover the body. That was believed to be less politically harmful than a commando team treading on Pakistan’s soil,” Minter says.

“According to this official, Pakistan’s Army chief of staff was alerted in December 2010, months before the operation. No concrete facts about the operation were passed on, but an informal approval was sought,” he writes.

“When the SEAL helicopter crashed into bin Laden’s compound, the cover story was abandoned,” the official said.

The story could not be independently confirmed, but it has the virtue of explaining why the Obama administration did not press to end military aid to Pakistan when bin Laden was found eight hundred yards from its officer training facility,” Minter wrote.

According to the book, as the CIA found the Abbottabad compound where bin Laden lived along with his family members and started researching on the property, they found out that the land was carved out from the military academy compound.

“The records held another surprise. The land for the bin Laden lair seemed to have been carved out of property owned by the Kakul Military Academy, Pakistan’s answer to Sandhurst and West Point,” Miniter claimed.

“The bin Laden compound was akin to an isosceles triangle, carved out of the property of the Kakul Military Academy, Pakistan’s West Point. The campus’s main building sat some eight hundred yards from bin Laden’s castle.

“The triangular compound was bordered with concrete walls ranging in height from ten to eighteen feet. The main building, a three-story tower, housed the arch terrorist, his wives, and their children,”
he wrote.

According to the book it was on March 14, 2011 during a situation room meeting that President Obama decided that Pakistan “should be kept in dark” while America made its plans.
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ramana, sounds like a hit job on Obama rather than a fact based book.
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Maybe. But look at the role of Kiyani. Time for more Onions to get fried?

Read the USI prespective linked above.
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The word is after 2014 the west are going to cut substantial funding and even defence equipment
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Perhaps that explains the growing closeness to Russia and buying its hardware...
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According my inside sources actually GW on the day of relinquishing office, told Kiyani in the presence of Obama that GoTUS was going to kill Osama and Kiyani was co opted into operation terminate Osama with extreme prejudice
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sum wrote:^^ Seems like classic disinformation campaign by the Khan to confuse Al-Q even more.
And too boost Fizzle-ya morale amoung abduls, the confidence in Fizzle ya dipped when a Chinook could fly, loiter and fly back unmolested for 4 hours in Paki territory.

I am sure Pakis would have raised this H&D molestation
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One thing they don't seem to mention is that construction of the house started around 2005 and the head of the ISI at that time was (surprise, surprise) General Kayani!
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