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Intelligence: A dried up source
Electronic surveillance and myriad technological are important for generating ground-level intelligence. But, they can, by no means, substitute a thriving network of human intelligence.

The first thing police departments of cities struck by terrorists across the world did was to put more feet on the ground and rehaul ground-level sources.

"A good system of intelligence gathering combines both electronic surveillance and human intelligence in equal measure. What good is a CCTV grab of a suspicious person if he/she can’t be identified or traced?" asked a senior police officer.

According to him, almost the entire strength of 600-plus officers of Delhi Police’s Special Cell used to be famous for such a network almost three years ago.

Back then, most intelligence inputs used to emanate from an officer's sources at transit points like railway stations and interstate bus terminals and even from small shopkeepers of crowded market areas.


"But now, Special Cell officers, by virtue of not being as ‘social' as they were earlier, aren't that effective. Three years ago, owners of PCOs and STD booths used to be on the top of our priority list as sources. But that network shrunk in sync with the magnitude of our operations," admitted a senior cop.

However, police commissioner BK Gupta claimed that since more than a year now, the Special Cell's activities have been directed towards catching terrorists. Earlier, the intelligence network catered mainly to interstate criminals and drug dealers.

An interstate criminal, Gupta said, was likely to serve as an asset for terrorists in several ways. "He may provide logistical or financial support to terror modules," he explained.

Three years after the beginning of its decline since the Batla House Encounter in September 2008, gathering ground-level intelligence has been effectively replaced by a revamped beat patrolling system to counter petty street crime. The police have also begun the 'Eyes and Ears' Scheme—in which residents of an area are encouraged to share intelligence with the police— and added hundreds of PCR vans to their stable.

However, there are only 20,000 feet on the ground to maintain law and order in a city with a population upwards of 1.67 crore. The myriad other duties lower-rung police personnel are supposed to perform translates into less manpower and means extended duty hours for the already overworked personnel.
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The unanswered questions have forced probe agencies to look at a political motive. A lot of other controversies surrounding various politicians have been diverted following the Delhi attack. This has been a pattern since December's Varanasi blast.

"Such attacks have always managed to divert attention from political crisis. One cannot conclude that the blast was politically motivated, but the angle needs to be explored," said a source.
Blast done to distract from political crisis?
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110913.htm

Pak can't always be blamed for terror-Chidu parrots
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/home ... 51140.html
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Source:http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_de ... ed_1586847
Delhi blast: Man fails to provide travel details, arrested.
A person with injuries and suspected to be connected with the Delhi High Court blast has been arrested after he failed to give details about himself at a hospital in West Bengal's Howrah district, police said.The man, Syed Afjal Taher, went to the Bagnan rural hospital and sought medication yesterday, SP Rabindranath Banerjee said.
The man with injuries in his left palm, face and leg and head wrapped in a blood soaked bandage, approached a doctor at the hospital and asked for pain killers, police said.
He was admitted but kept under police surveillance at the hospital after he refused to give his name and address. He was arrested today and sent to judicial custody, they said.
Asked how the man was connected with the blasts, Banerjee said, "There are some discrepancies in his statement and it is not clear why he went to Bagnan. He has not been able to give answers properly."According to police, the man was from Banke district of Uttar Pradesh and though his mother tongue is Urdu he can speak fluent Hindi, English and Nepali.The Special Task Force of Kolkata Police also interrogated Taher.
Interesting, this man could actually have done the job?
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 971346.cms
Home minister P Chidambaram has indicated that the blast in the Delhi high court could have been carried out by home grown militants groups.

"We can no longer point to cross-border terrorism as a source of terror attacks in India," Chidambaram told the BBC in an interview.
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Its an INC faction fight.
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Pranay wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 971346.cms
Home minister P Chidambaram has indicated that the blast in the Delhi high court could have been carried out by home grown militants groups.

"We can no longer point to cross-border terrorism as a source of terror attacks in India," Chidambaram told the BBC in an interview.
This wannabe PM is a short sighted man who cannot see the big picture despite his high powered glasses.Sleeper cells in India are controlled by cross-border militant organisations.
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Sanjeev, Read behind his announcement. Why did he say that? Wouldnt he know more than us aam aadmi?

Meanwhile DNA has an article

Looking beyond CCTVs
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ramana wrote:Sanjeev, Read behind his announcement. Why did he say that? Wouldnt he know more than us aam aadmi?
Meanwhile DNA has an article
Looking beyond CCTVs
Ramana ji, I once worked for a TV Channel, and we went to his house to do an Interview.Due to excessive power consumption from a particular power point,the fuse in his house blew as soon as we turned on the lights.He began shouting at our light boys, and they replied that they had requested a specific amount of power (15 Amps sockets) before connecting, and his own people had provided to us the power sources.He then started shouting at his own people.I felt this man is always looking for someone to blame,cannot stay calm under stress, and throws his weight around.Thus my general disagreement with whatever he says.It is my personal view, I do not want to judge him by just that event,but he is quite a nasty man when seen eye to eye.Anyway OT,so lets forget this PC and get back to the thread.
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There is a concerted effort, within the existing ruling dispensation, to let Pakistan off the hook. There is also another attempt to equate the terrorism in both nations. I won't even be surprised if this blast now takes a strange twist.
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Indeed, expect to find some saffron clad to be caught and harassed.
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SS I think in our anger we are focusing on the incompetence displayed by PC. What if its by design?
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What if PC is speaking the truth that the lizard of IM-entitlement transformed into the Chameleon of IT. He can no longer hide the IM-terrorism behind the CT (cross-border Terrorism) and protect them?
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One idea is that the ministry of home affairs must pay the life insurance costs (premiums) of all Indians to the amounts equal to Rs 2 Cr per each death and Rs1 Cr for injuries in terrorist and other related attacks. Would that motivate the DoH become more efficient?
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RamaY wrote:One idea is that the ministry of home affairs must pay the life insurance costs (premiums) of all Indians to the amounts equal to Rs 2 Cr per each death and Rs1 Cr for injuries in terrorist and other related attacks. Would that motivate the DoH become more efficient?
YamaY Saar, it is not their mooney, it is tax payer's mooney, the higher the amount the better
looking photo ops chance vote pulling higher commission hafta and what not, so IMVVHO this idea
should be no go.
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Blast done to distract from political crisis?
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110913.htm
This was mention right here in this thread , day or 2 after then blast. This kind of distraction happen whenever core Kunba feel the heat. PC etc are uttering inanities just to keep the distraction pot boiling and gain the etany of Kunba for higher job.
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Removal of z++ category security cover to most of them would hasten the process of security for everyone. Most of the smug statements about how terrorism is part of life and other bravado are done behind the veil of z security. Remove that, then everyone will sober up and take corrective steps. Else it is another day in their low mighty lives.
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7 days, 4 mails, 2 sketches later, all trails turn cold
Seven days and four emails after the blast in the Delhi high court, the trails seem to be heading nowhere so far — at least for the National Investigation Agency that is probing the case. Although the NIA has decided to release fresh sketches and increased the reward to Rs 10 lakh information on the blast that left 13 people killed, the case is well poised to join a long list of unsolved or partially solved cases since the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

The NIA is now almost certain that all the four emails received after the blast, were non-serious pranks, as in all likelihood, the senders had nothing to do with the blast.

According to NIA sources, the West Bengal police have detained the owner of a mobile phone that was used to send mails from ‘[email protected]’ and are trying to ascertain whether he actually sent the mails or someone else used his SIM card.

The sender of the twin mails from ‘chotoo’ claimed to be a member of the Indian Mujahideen, the terror outfit responsible for most of blasts in major cities during the last six years. Besides, two other mails were received from '[email protected]' and '[email protected]'.

The NIA is questioning suspects for mails sent from 'harkat' from a cyber café in Kishtwar in Kashmir. And the sender of the mail from ‘kill.india’ —Manu Oza — was arrested in Ahmedabad on Monday.

Earlier, the NIA suspected a man who had been hospitalised in Kolkata with injuries on his hand, but he had been let off after it was found that he had an old injury. What’s more, one person was detained in Guwahati as his face bore some resemblance with the sketches of the suspects in the Delhi blast. But his involvement has also been ruled out.
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During Khalistani days too there were numerous accusations against GoI that most of the bombs that went off were staged by the sarkari forces for discrediting the popular movement, because the Khalistanis used to target only army/police/paramilitary and UT of Delhi. There were numerous small blasts going off targeting certain inconveniant civilians, but this was overlooked by media in the din of war. It looks all Congressi regimes have effective, credible & deniable sarkari terror squads that target civilians. Operationalizing this is a very small group, so the same sketches come up again and again. Nobody is interested in catching them because there are should be double-agents at work protecting this core group of ST. We also need to relook at deaths of Karkare & MC Sharma in this light. Maybe they got clued into some sarkari terror networks. And that is also why very few or no intelligence or police officers are committed to tracking down this group at present.

Pakistan is relevant only because these Sarkari terror groups may have had their initial training and indoctrination over there. the Pakis also sense this as a big chink in India's armor and get cocky at the same time they are also scared of the diabolicness of the whole affair which time and again makes them cling on to the yindoo/yahoodi axis of evil. Keeping Zhaveri market, Delhi High court, Railway stations etc loosely guarded also makes sense as the same set of targets are sought to be attacked repeatedly.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:7 days, 4 mails, 2 sketches later, all trails turn cold
Seven days and four emails after the blast in the Delhi high court, the trails seem to be heading nowhere so far — at least for the National Investigation Agency that is probing the case. Although the NIA has decided to release fresh sketches and increased the reward to Rs 10 lakh information on the blast that left 13 people killed, the case is well poised to join a long list of unsolved or partially solved cases since the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.

The NIA is now almost certain that all the four emails received after the blast, were non-serious pranks, as in all likelihood, the senders had nothing to do with the blast.

According to NIA sources, the West Bengal police have detained the owner of a mobile phone that was used to send mails from ‘[email protected]’ and are trying to ascertain whether he actually sent the mails or someone else used his SIM card.

The sender of the twin mails from ‘chotoo’ claimed to be a member of the Indian Mujahideen, the terror outfit responsible for most of blasts in major cities during the last six years. Besides, two other mails were received from '[email protected]' and '[email protected]'.

The NIA is questioning suspects for mails sent from 'harkat' from a cyber café in Kishtwar in Kashmir. And the sender of the mail from ‘kill.india’ —Manu Oza — was arrested in Ahmedabad on Monday.

Earlier, the NIA suspected a man who had been hospitalised in Kolkata with injuries on his hand, but he had been let off after it was found that he had an old injury. What’s more, one person was detained in Guwahati as his face bore some resemblance with the sketches of the suspects in the Delhi blast. But his involvement has also been ruled out.
Delhi was the epicentre of the people's movement against corruption. Now the people have been cowed down and they are cowering. The job has been done. time to close the files. their seriousness regarding terror can be gauged from this:
NIA HQ operates out of South Delhi shopping mall.
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JwalaMukhi wrote:Removal of z++ category security cover to most of them would hasten the process of security for everyone. Most of the smug statements about how terrorism is part of life and other bravado are done behind the veil of z security. Remove that, then everyone will sober up and take corrective steps. Else it is another day in their low mighty lives.
You know it's difficult to say what I'm going to say without putting my foot in my mouth - but I will say it anyway. India has (at a guess) 400 million people under 15. Not all are going to become engineers. But living in Bangalore - a city that was sleepy and hardly "cosmopolitan" 40 years ago the changes today are striking. There are young people all over India working. Yes of course a minority are the IT workers. But the vast majority are construction workers, small businessmen, waiters, and security people. "Security" is a big employer in India. Every ATM has a guard. Every hotel and large business establishment has guards. I worry that if Pakistan were to vanish - how would we employ Indian kids.

So a degree of insecurity is driving many industries and driving employment. The morality of "supporting continuing insecurity" is despicable, but there you are - we have something that provides employment to millions. Pakistan and China are playing a great role in driving the manner in which wealth "trickles down" in India.
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Those Indian kids can go squat on the oil next door and convert India's trade deficit into a surplus.
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shiv wrote: You know it's difficult to say what I'm going to say without putting my foot in my mouth - but I will say it anyway. India has (at a guess) 400 million people under 15. Not all are going to become engineers. But living in Bangalore - a city that was sleepy and hardly "cosmopolitan" 40 years ago the changes today are striking. There are young people all over India working. Yes of course a minority are the IT workers. But the vast majority are construction workers, small businessmen, waiters, and security people. "Security" is a big employer in India. Every ATM has a guard. Every hotel and large business establishment has guards. I worry that if Pakistan were to vanish - how would we employ Indian kids.

So a degree of insecurity is driving many industries and driving employment. The morality of "supporting continuing insecurity" is despicable, but there you are - we have something that provides employment to millions. Pakistan and China are playing a great role in driving the manner in which wealth "trickles down" in India.
Take a look at the world's biggest employer, shiv :)
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Source:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/nia-probing- ... 103-3.html
NIA probing role of 7 people in Delhi blast case.
New Delhi: The National Investigation Agency (NIA) has finally got some definite leads in the September 7 Delhi High Court bomb blast case. Sources have told CNN-IBN that the NIA is investigating the role of seven people in the Delhi High Court blast case.The group which planned and the executed the Delhi High Court blast includes two minors, who have been arrested in Jammu and Kashmir. NIA cyber forensic experts have established that the time of the computer used to send the e-mail on behalf of Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HuJI) was tampered with to mislead the investigators.
The five adults, all aged between 25 to 30 years, of the group were involved in actual planning and executing the blast while the minors were used for sending the HuJI e-mail. The two minors have been sent to 10-day police remand by a Kishtwar court and the NIA may apply for their transit remand later.
The two minors arrested in Kishtwar also took part in the meeting where the plan to carry out the blast was finalised. During sustained interrogation both the minors spilled the beans about the entire plan to bomb the High Court.The five reportedly arrived in New Delhi on September 6 and carried out the attacks on September 7.
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Atri wrote:state should have had facilitated the emergence of nationalist crime-networks. More efficient would be religious crime networks. sometimes, I see the point of thugs and chandaals in ancient India controlled by the tantrika school. this might be antithetical to india as a "nation-state" but is it really antithetical to India as a "civilizational state" which exists for protection and expansion of Indic sanskriti?
Thanks Atri ji, this post and your next one were thought-provoking!
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sanjeevpunj wrote:Source:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/nia-probing- ... 103-3.html
NIA probing role of 7 people in Delhi blast case.
New Delhi: The National Investigation Agency (NIA) has finally got some definite leads in the September 7 Delhi High Court bomb blast case. Sources have told CNN-IBN that the NIA is investigating the role of seven people in the Delhi High Court blast case.The group which planned and the executed the Delhi High Court blast includes two minors, who have been arrested in Jammu and Kashmir. NIA cyber forensic experts have established that the time of the computer used to send the e-mail on behalf of Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HuJI) was tampered with to mislead the investigators.
The five adults, all aged between 25 to 30 years, of the group were involved in actual planning and executing the blast while the minors were used for sending the HuJI e-mail. The two minors have been sent to 10-day police remand by a Kishtwar court and the NIA may apply for their transit remand later.
The two minors arrested in Kishtwar also took part in the meeting where the plan to carry out the blast was finalised. During sustained interrogation both the minors spilled the beans about the entire plan to bomb the High Court.The five reportedly arrived in New Delhi on September 6 and carried out the attacks on September 7.

Wasnt Omar Abduallh claiming that Kashmiris were being targetted by other police forces in India without cause in the Delhi HC blast case?

Does he have anything to say now?
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Pioneer reports:

HC Blast:Two arrested in Kistawar

Looks like these two were minors who sent the e-mail and were part of a larger group from J&K. On the lookout for five adults.

- Looks like its a local group agitated about Afzal Guru hanging sentence
- Looks like it fits the PETN story as its J&K guys who use that material
- Good job NIA once they get the five.

Wht this menasi that Varanasi blast and the Mumbai serial blasts were by similar J&K groups as the modus operandi is similar:

- PETN based IEDs in high profile places: Varanasi temple, commercial areas of Mumbai
- E-mails from multiple accounts located far away claiming credit

Now where are they getting the PETN?
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^^ This means Pukes are directly involved in all these blasts. It is not a case that some IM local autonomous cell organized.
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^^Even the IM as part of "Karachi project" is just a front of TISI.
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Few dots that need to be connected.

- Omar Abdullah's statement on Afjal Guru hanging would cause disturbance in JK
- DMK demand for clemency to RG killers and 2G's prior requests (but doesn't want that to be extended to other cases)
- JK resourcing to Delhi blasts
- PC clean chit to TSPA
- no security to Delhi HC even after a thwarted attack
- Unkils interest in JK pie
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Add UP elections in near future and Amul baba future depending on the performance of congress there. Add Diggi Raja's regular visits to Azamgadh. The piture is very clear. UPA gang consider terror a minor inconvenience as they are personally protected. The will not take any action as there is no public pressure. Terror is not going to be an election issue which cause them lose their power. But loss of Muslim votes will be fatal for their immediate plans in UP. If Amul Baba does not perform well in UP then he can not be even projected reasonably for 2014 PM race. So no action other than of course then can manufacture cases on few Hindus.
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Isn't it simplistic to assume that Muslim votes are like cattle and not to mention downright offensive?

I have many Muslim friends from all strata of society and each is an individual by themselves.
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Modernisation: Stuck in a time warp
When it comes to acquiring the latest gadgets, Delhi Police’s political bosses go shopping even as the policemen obediently wait at home, wishing what they get is as good as it says on the brochure. But mostly, the proverbial red tape ensures that these ‘innovations’ exist only on paper for as long as possible.

However, sometimes, the force gets stuck with expensive duds which it has to make do with till the battery runs out.

“What was the point of spending a whopping Rs 400 crore on TETRA technology that we now have? We weren’t even asked if we needed them in the first place?” asked a senior police officer.

The Terrestrial Trunked Radio (TETRA) technology was bought to connect various civic/government agencies — from the Organising Committee (OC) of the CWG to the Delhi Police — at the push of a single button during the Games last year. The handsets alone had cost R100 crore to the Central exchequer. But later, the police started facing a number of operational problems due to its low frequency.

Just a month ago, a major road accident that could have involved a VIP fatality was averted in central Delhi’s Connaught Place when an officer on duty decided to communicate with his ‘normal’ Motorola walkie-talkie when his TETRA handset conked off during VIP movement, sources said.

Moreover, the Delhi Police had been promised a number of new technologies nearly a year ago, but are yet to obtain half of those goods. This, despite the home ministry imposing self-assessed time periods for their procurement.

“Almost everything that we were promised, including the Intelligent Traffic System (ITS) and Emergency Response Vehicles (ERV), is either wholly or partly in the pipeline,” admitted a senior police officer. The ITS was first planned to be up and running before the CWG in October last year but close to a year later, the project is yet to attract bidders. The police have now written to the MHA to ‘fast track’ the process.

Similarly, the force is yet to get close to 400 of the promised 1,000 PCR vans, 140 emergency response vehicles (ERVs) and non-clonable ID card readers at every police station. The Glock pistols, which were to be given to all officers ranked sub inspector and above, too are yet to arrive. The police had been promised all these equipment before the Games.

“Only three or four ERVs are on the road at the moment. Also, not even a single car from the contingent of Swift Desire vehicles needed for our ‘officer-oriented policing’ initiative has been acquired yet. While non-clonable IDs have been provided to almost each Delhi Police officer, we have so far got only one machine that can read these cards. It has been installed at the Police Headquarters,” said the officer.

However, there is somewhat of a glimmer of hope: The Delhi Police were supposed to get 14 high-speed Innova PCR vans for patrolling purposes in outer and southwest Delhi. Sources say that the police may get two of them by the end of this month.
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^^^

Shouldn't the home minister be charged under applicable law based on this? At the very least, there must be an investigation if the minister or people in the MHA are hand in glove with terrorists, which is causing them to go slow on these upgrades. It can very well be the case that MHA told the terrorists to go ahead and create a distraction while they take care of stopping anything that can help police.
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ramana wrote:Isn't it simplistic to assume that Muslim votes are like cattle and not to mention downright offensive?

I have many Muslim friends from all strata of society and each is an individual by themselves.
OT alert:
Definitely but sadly based on whatever interaction i have had with muslim buddies and non-buddies, 99% do seem to behave like cattle when it comes to certain issues ( meaning the INC propaganda about big, bad Sangh/Hindu has worked very well).

Disclaimer: IMHO and my personal observation in my circle of interaction.
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LINK

Investigators arrest author of e-mail claiming responsibility, but bomb-makers and planter still elusive

Pravin Swami

National Investigation Agency detectives have arrested two Jammu and Kashmir residents who they believe participated in last week’s bomb attack at the Delhi High Court, in which 13 people were killed.

Kishtwar resident Amir Abbas, a university student, is alleged to have prepared an e-mail claiming responsibility for the attack; it was sent to newsrooms shortly after the bomb blast. Abbas, sources in the investigation agency said, is alleged to have handed over a portable disk drive to two other local residents on September 4 — three days before the bombing — with instructions to mail the text after learning of the attack.

Hilal Amin, a second resident of Kishtwar, a remote mountain town 248 km east of Jammu, has also been held on suspicion of having helped to draft the e-mail.

Shariq Ahmad and Abid Ahmed, both high school students, were charged in a Kishtwar court on Wednesday, for sending the e-mail from a local cybercafé.

Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram is expected to make a statement on the arrests later on Tursday.

Perpetrators still elusive

Abbas, investigators claim, was part of a larger network of conspirators involved in the attack. National Investigation Agency detectives are, however, yet to locate either the source of the explosives used in the bombing, or the men who were thought to have planted the bomb outside the Delhi High Court’s visitors’ entrance. Final forensic reports on the nature of the explosive are awaited.

Even though the e-mail was reported to have claimed responsibility for the bombing on behalf of the Harkat ul-Jihad-e-Islami, a Pakistani terrorist group that was merged into al-Qaeda two years ago, it bore no signature. The “from” field in the e-mail was simply “Harkat ul”, and the address was [email protected]. Neither name has been used by terrorist groups in the past.

The e-mail said the perpetrators “demand is that Afzal Guru’s death sentence should be repealed immediately else we would target major high courts and the Supreme Court of India”. :((

Little further is known about the motivations of the arrested men, but an investigation source said Abbas had been drawn into a jihadist cell after his uncle was shot dead by the police during the 2008 shrine-board violence in Kashmir — a communally charged movement that claimed the lives of dozens of protestors.

Both men are also related to surrendered members of terrorist groups in Jammu and Kashmir, but have no criminal record. Local intelligence sources also said neither had been suspected of links to terrorist groups.

Abbas’ family, as well as the families of the arrested teenagers, have denied they had any role in the Delhi bombing.

Afzal Guru, also a Jammu and Kashmir resident, is facing the death sentence for his role in the terrorist attack on Parliament House in 2001.

Tablighi Jamaat Links?

Investigation sources said the conspirators met through meetings of the Tablighi Jamaat — an ultraconservative organisation with a nationwide presence — although it is unclear if its activities had anything to do with the plot itself.

The Tablighi Jamaat, a pietist organisation which generally eschews politics, has no connections with terrorism. However, several of its adherents have been implicated in terrorist operations linked to South Asia — among them Roshan Jamal Khan, a Mumbai resident imprisoned for an abortive 2008 suicide-bomb plot in Barcelona, and Muhammad Niaz, a Paris-based software engineer from Madurai, who was held by the police in Paris earlier this year.

Elements of the Tablighi Jamaat's rank-and-file are also alleged to have played a role in setting up the Indian Mujahideen — a Lashkar-e-Taiba linked jihadist group responsible for several urban terror attacks since 2005. Fugitive Gujarat-based cleric Sufiyan Patangia, now thought to be hiding in Saudi Arabia, is alleged to have recruited several of the Indian Mujahideen's first members.

In a February 13, 1995 article in the Pakistani newspaper The News, journalist Kamran Khan quoted an office-bearer of the Harkat ul-Mujahideen, a jihadist group once active in Jammu and Kashmir, as saying “most of our workers do come from the [Tablighi] Jamaat”.

“We regularly go its annual meetings in Raiwind [Pakistan]. Ours is a truly international network of genuine jihadi Muslims. Our colleagues went and fought against oppressors in Bosnia, Chechenya, Tajikistan, Burma [Myanmar], the Philippines and, of course, India”.
Interesting. So the explosive could be sourced from TSP in which case there will be difficulty in identifying it.
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Carl wrote:
Atri wrote:state should have had facilitated the emergence of nationalist crime-networks. More efficient would be religious crime networks. sometimes, I see the point of thugs and chandaals in ancient India controlled by the tantrika school. this might be antithetical to india as a "nation-state" but is it really antithetical to India as a "civilizational state" which exists for protection and expansion of Indic sanskriti?
Thanks Atri ji, this post and your next one were thought-provoking!
PLease visit deracination thread for follow up on this thread of thoughts..
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US places Indian Mujahideen on official terror blacklist
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B Raman replies to Fareed Zakaria. Guys recall his interview by Sagarika from CNN-IBN

India’s Counter-Terrorism Record - An Open Letter to Fareed Zakaria
Dear Mr. Fareed Zakaria,

I read with considerable interest extracts from your interview to the CNN-IBN on counter-terrorism in which, interalia, you have compared the track record of the Indian counter-terrorism community with that of the US.

2. Rediff.com has reported on your CNN-IBN interview as follows:

“When looking at the capacity and talents of intelligence agencies around the world, I don't think anyone has spoken highly about the Indian intelligence agencies.

“As a matter of reporting, India's counter-terrorism operations are not regarded very high. This is an area India has not focused on a great deal.

“India has not done good because as it has a large Muslim population, but again India's police force is pathetic. Look at Mumbai -- India's police force is not a police force -- it is a patronage job that is given to people to support communities, they don't know how to police.”

3. Before I comment substantively on your observations, I must introduce myself: I was an officer of the Indian Police Service (IPS). I joined the IPS in 1961 and retired in August, 1994, after having served for about four years in the Madhya Pradesh Police, one year in the Intelligence Bureau (IB) of the Government of India and 26 years in the Research & Analysis Wing ( R&AW), India’s external intelligence agency. When I was in service, the R&AW had two divisions dealing with terrorism----one with indigenous terrorism --- what many now call home-grown terrorism--- and the other with international terrorism. I headed the Division dealing with indigenous terrorism from 1981 to 1985 and headed both the Divisions from 1988 till my retirement in 1994. Between 1991 and 1994, I used to wear a second hat as the head of the division responsible for intelligence liaison with foreign intelligence agencies. In that capacity, I had interacted closely with the intelligence agencies of the US and the UK----particularly in matters relating to counter-terrorism.”

4. The Indian track-record in counter-terrorism is not one of abysmal failure. We have had remarkable success stories particularly against Khalistani terrorism in Punjab and against the terrorism of Al Umma in Tamil Nadu. In both these instances, it was the local police force which led the counter-terrorism operations and won final victory despite all the handicaps suffered by it. In Jammu and Kashmir too--- though final victory has not yet been won--- the Indian counter-terrorism forces led by the Army have succeeded remarkably in bringing what we call cross-border terrorism under control.

5. The poor track-record of the Indian counter-terrorism community has been mainly against jihadi terrorism in North India.

6. We have had instances of jihadi terrorism in the South too in places such as Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh and Bengaluru. In the 1990s, we had the Al Umma phenomenon in Tamil Nadu and Kerala.

7. The police in South India has generally done better against terrorism emanating from the Muslim community than the Police in North/West India because the political class and the media in the South have generally refrained from demonising the Police and the intelligence agencies whenever they have acted against Muslims who have taken to terrorism. The Police in the South has, therefore, the confidence that it can do whatever is legally permissible in order to bring terrorism involving the participation of some Muslims under control.

8. Thankfully, in the South, there has been no politicisation till now of counter-terrorism which affected some members of the Muslim community. Unfortunately, there was politicisation of counter-terrorism directed against the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE). We paid a heavy price for it in May 1991, when Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated by the LTTE in Chennai. Since then, this politicisation too has come down.

9. In North and West India, the admittedly poor record of the counter-terrorism community against jihadi terrorism---whether of the home-grown or Pakistani variety--- has been considerably due to the reluctance of the political class to act against the terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan and its equal reluctance to act against those members of the Muslim community who take to terrorism.

10. It is very unfair on your part to have compared the track-record of the Indian counter-terrorism community with that of the US. Many things which are permitted against Muslims in the US will not be permitted in India and we in the counter-terrorism community feel should not be permitted by the political leadership. Examples of what we in India do not do and will never do are:

Treating a Muslim as a suspect by virtue of his religion and appearance unless proved otherwise. Shah Rukh Khan, the famous Indian film actor, was treated as a suspect in the US. Such things will not happen in India.

Treating jihadi suspects as “war criminals” and keeping them in a military camp (Guantanamo Bay) and subjecting them to trials by military tribunals.

Use of air strikes against terrorists and their sanctuaries, killing a large number of innocent Muslims. Since India became independent in 1947, we have used the Air Force only once in Mizoram in 1966 when the Mizo insurgents over-ran almost the entire State.

The so-called rendition flights by which the US counter-terrorism agencies kept flying Muslim suspects arrested abroad from country to country in order to avoid having to produce them before a court of law.

The extraordinary methods of torture sanctified by the US Justice department that were used against Muslim suspects---whether in Guantanamo Bay or elsewhere.


11. I am proud to say that neither the Indian political class nor the Indian counter-terrorism community would ever think of resorting to such diabolical methods. Even if we thought of them, the Indian media would have been the first to start a campaign against them.

12. Mr. Zakaria, how many of you in the US media world raised your voice against these methods when these were being used in the years after 9/11. Did you raise your voice against them, Mr. Zakaria? You all believed that any method is a good method against Muslim suspects till Al Qaeda is brought under control.

13. We have a self-denying counter-terrorism policy. We consciously deny to ourselves many practices which you in the US permit to yourselves in your counter-terrorism against Muslim suspects. We are proud of such self-denying provisions in our counter-terrorism policy.

14. One last point, I should make. India is next door neighbour to Pakistan. Much of our jihadi terrorism emanates from Pakistan. The US is thousands of KMs away from Pakistan. We face a terrorist threat from Pakistan every day. You face a threat sporadically. And yet, the kind of methods that you have used against Pakistan we have never used. We fight against terrorism emanating from Pakistan with one hand tied in the back.

15. It is not only because our political leadership will not permit it, but it is also because of the hypocrisy of the US Government which will use any methods against Pakistan in order to protect the US Homeland and American lives, but never hesitates to come in the way of India following a similar policy to protect the Indian Homeland and Indian lives.

With regards,

B. Raman
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