Bharat Rakshak

RajeshA wrote:.........
Let's consider a scenario where India enters into an undeclared war with Pakistan on the LoC. ..........

As India develops and procures better surveillance systems, artillery guidance systems, guns with more firepower, India would have the initiative in hand to push back Pakistani forces from the LoC as and when we like to. .......

No position on the Pakistani side up to 30 kms from LoC should be secure for more than a week of setting it up. Any Pakistanis manning those positions are either sent to get their 72s or have to retire with injuries and wail over their depreciating pensions.
.....
With terrorism they retain the psychological pressure on Indians. With regular artillery-firing across the LoC, destroying their positions and bunkers, we regain the psychological advantage.

The Indian Army has a "definite plan" to avenge the brutal killing of two soldiers by Pakistani troops, Lt General KT Parnaik declared on Tuesday. "We have definite plans to retaliate but not in haste and anger, and at the time and place of our own choice," the head of the Northern Command told the media.
...
...
General Parnaik said there was a lot of anger among army units after the Pakistani troops killed two Indian soldiers Jan 8 in Jammu and Kashmir, beheading one of them and mutilating the body of another.

The raiders, who Indian officials say were from the Pakistan Army, took away the head of the soldier.

"But I pacified them (Indian soldiers)," he said.
...
...

ramana wrote:Baikul, We have a whole forum to discuss that aspect. However Mr Clean AK Anthony will not allow any purchases in case that destabilizes the TSPA, He is the Minister of Defence or rather Minster to perpetuate Weakness.

vasu raya wrote:Ceasefire Violations

Terming the killing of Indian soldiers and decapitating one of them by Pakistani Army as 'barbaric', Lt General Parnaik added, "On January 8, Pakistan breached the LoC on Mendhar sector, in a very barbaric act and mutilated our soldiers. It violates the Geneva Convention and violates the ceasefire agreement. My heart goes out to the families of these two soldiers."
He also said that Pakistan was continuously violating ceasefire and stopped only after warnings from India. "We had the meeting on January 14, on the night of Jan 13 and 14 they fired motors. We spoke to them on the hotline, we asked them that when they have agreed for a meeting, why were they violating the ceasefire. We told them we are recording all of this, their firing stopped then," Lt Gen Parnaik said.

Need of the hour could be surveillance drones watching the soldiers back followed by bombing drones serving as reinforcements in quick time.

A 2009 study of 25 male subjects found that men with artificially raised testosterone were 27% less generous while playing a test game than they were at their normal testosterone level. The authors concluded that "What we have found is that Testosterone appears to play a role inducing men to change from being selfless to being selfish."

"I expect all my commanders on the LoC to be aggressive and offensive in face of provocation and fire...No passivity is expected from them. Their response has to be measured and for effect," said a tough-talking General Bikram Singh, a day ahead of Army Day celebrations.

More recently, two jawans were decapitated during the turnover between the 19 Rajput and 20 Kumaon Regiments in the Keran sector in July, 2011. "We have to put pressure on Pakistan, nationally and internationally, to make its Army accountable," said Gen Singh.

Although Gen Singh emphasized the current tension would not escalate into a conflagration, holding that several stages have to be crossed before the two countries go to a full-scale war, he did admit the first stage of the spiral had been reached.

Talking tough, he said the killing of two Indian soldiers on the LoC in Mendhar area of Jammu and Kashmir on January 6 was a pre-planned and pre-meditated action by Pakistani troops and India reserves the right to retaliate at "time and place of its choice".

"Our teams should be balanced to take on the onslaught of the enemy," the Army chief said.

Putting the onus of maintaining the ceasefire on Pakistan, the Army chief said India will uphold it as long as the "adversary" does.

He applauded the Indian Army Commanders at the LoC, saying they did a "great job". Gen Singh discounted the possibility of the skirmish leading to a full-fledged war and was dismissive of Pakistan's nuclear blackmail, saying it had no relation to the local conflict. "Indicators does not show upping the ante," he said.

On any response to the Pakistani action, he said it has to be the decision of the government.

ramana wrote:MediaCrooks points out that some Paki "journalist" Wahajat Khan, had tweeted before the Chindu article by Swami, implying that the latter got his info on the grandmother's tale from Paki sources. This is even worse than I thought.

MediaCrooks points out that some Paki "journalist" Wahajat Khan, had tweeted before the Chindu article by Swami, implying that the latter got his info on the grandmother's tale from Paki sources. This is even worse than I thought.

putnanja wrote:Today's editorial in the Hindu ...

Stop baying for blood

“After this dastardly act,” Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said on Tuesday, “there can’t be business as usual with Pakistan.” Dr. Singh’s tired words — and his government's dreadful decision to postpone the start of visa-free travel to India by senior citizens from Pakistan — suggest the relentless political attacks on his Pakistan policy are taking a toll. This is not good news. It is entirely true that the beheading of Indian soldiers on the Line of Control was a despicable act that must be condemned. It must also be candidly admitted, though, that Pakistan has not had a monopoly of wrong-doing in this case. {Equal=Equal} It was only in March that Defence Minister A.K. Antony informed Parliament of Indian protests against Pakistani construction along the Line of Control. Now, no less than India’s Chief of Army Staff Bikram Singh has confirmed reports in The Hindu that India, too, was doing exactly the same thing. It is pointless to ask who cast the first stone. The need now is to strengthen the restraint regime on the LoC. Few spectacles have been as unedifying as the contemptible baying of warmongers these past days — most of it, it bears mention, emanating from TV studios located at a safe distance from the nearest bullet. {Inst Chindu located in Chennai which is not exactly a war zone?}It is hard not to contrast Bharatiya Janata Party leader Sushma Swaraj’s ugly calls for 10 Pakistani soldiers to be beheaded in retaliation with the studied restraint of General Singh. No one who has seen war casually calls for the blood of soldiers to be shed — or believes they can predict, with any certainty, what the consequences of war will be.

Four propositions must be clearly understood. First, ever since General Parvez Ashfaq Kayani took office as Pakistan’s army chief in November 2007, his covert services and armed forces have engaged in a carefully calibrated escalation of hostilities — hoping to roll back the détente initiated in 2003, but also seeking not to invite international condemnation. Second, India has few military options to address this situation. The potential costs of war, and the risk of nuclear confrontation, far outweigh those of the low-grade conflict India now faces. India has covert and conventional means at its disposal which have been exercised — and could be exercised to greater effect. However, precipitating a crisis serves the interests of Pakistan’s generals — not Indians. Third, denying visas to elderly Pakistanis or stopping hockey players from participating in Indian tournaments will not make our borders or our civilians safer. This is the behaviour of a spoilt child, not a strategic actor. Fourth, real gains have been made since 2003, not the least a ceasefire and de-intensification of cross-border terrorism which has saved the lives of thousands of Indian soldiers. Nothing ought to be done to jeopardise this. Not every malaise has a cure; some can only be managed better or worse, and certainly not through indiscriminate blood-letting. India’s relationship with Pakistan is one of them.

Baikul wrote:Reports coming of another PA solider killed. I don't have a link so far.

Four propositions must be clearly understood.

First, ever since General Parvez Ashfaq Kayani took office as Pakistan’s army chief in November 2007, his covert services and armed forces have engaged in a carefully calibrated escalation of hostilities — hoping to roll back the détente initiated in 2003, but also seeking not to invite international condemnation.

Second, India has few military options to address this situation. The potential costs of war, and the risk of nuclear confrontation, far outweigh those of the low-grade conflict India now faces. India has covert and conventional means at its disposal which have been exercised — and could be exercised to greater effect. However, precipitating a crisis serves the interests of Pakistan’s generals — not Indians.

Third, denying visas to elderly Pakistanis or stopping hockey players from participating in Indian tournaments will not make our borders or our civilians safer. This is the behaviour of a spoilt child, not a strategic actor.

Fourth, real gains have been made since 2003, not the least a ceasefire and de-intensification of cross-border terrorism which has saved the lives of thousands of Indian soldiers. Nothing ought to be done to jeopardise this.

Not every malaise has a cure; some can only be managed better or worse, and certainly not through indiscriminate blood-letting. India’s relationship with Pakistan is one of them.

Third, denying visas to elderly Pakistanis or stopping hockey players from participating in Indian tournaments will not make our borders or our civilians safer. This is the behaviour of a spoilt child, not a strategic actor.

The US boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics to show their anger at the FSU invasion of Afghanistan. The reason is it is duplitious to engage in sports and frivoulous activity while you are at state of undeclared war. More over it demoralises your fighting forces.

ramana wrote:MediaCrooks points out that some Paki "journalist" Wahajat Khan, had tweeted before the Chindu article by Swami, implying that the latter got his info on the grandmother's tale from Paki sources. This is even worse than I thought.

Wajahat S. Khan: @SunjayJK You're very kind, mate. Watch out for a narrative changer tomorrow in an Indian newspaper @thenewshour @BDUTT @najamsethi

This dialogue with Pakistan’s civilian leadership is one of the big achievements of the UPA and therefore it is more the pity that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Zardari have failed to sustain the momentum in the last couple of relatively eventless years

KHYBER AGENCY: Eighteen bullet-riddled bodies have been recovered from the Alamgudar area of Bara Tehsil in Khyber Agency, local and tribal sources said.
The identity of the bodies is still unclear as officials have yet to confirm their exact number.
Intelligence sources told Dawn.Com that 18 bodies are lying in the area, including four Khasadars who were kidnapped by militants, one security personnel and a number of peace committee members.
“It seems the militants shot them dead and left their bodies there,” intelligence sources informed.
Local tribesmen say the dead include seven members of a family who had been shot to death.Security and administration officials on contact said though they had also heard about the dead bodies, they do not have any further details.

ramana wrote:MediaCrooks points out that some Paki "journalist" Wahajat Khan, had tweeted before the Chindu article by Swami, implying that the latter got his info on the grandmother's tale from Paki sources. This is even worse than I thought.

abhishek_sharma wrote:>> US & PRC are together in this game. there is a quid-pro-quo between them.

Yes, but why would they do so? Surely China is a bigger enemy for US than India. Weakening India and increasing the relative power of China does not make sense for US.

abhishek_sharma wrote:LoC tension: Menon tells BJP to exercise restraint on comments

krithivas wrote:Indian Express doing a Hindu now -
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/above ... n/1059964/

This dialogue with Pakistan’s civilian leadership is one of the big achievements of the UPA and therefore it is more the pity that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Zardari have failed to sustain the momentum in the last couple of relatively eventless years

RamaY wrote:We have different kinds of RNIs who preach others

- Peace at any cost
- secularism at any cost
- Minority appeasement at any cost
- caste/regional politics at any cost

All these guys are fake Indians. There is nothing wrong in condemning them and calling them the names they deserve.

abhishek_sharma wrote:>> US & PRC are together in this game. there is a quid-pro-quo between them.

Yes, but why would they do so? Surely China is a bigger enemy for US than India. Weakening India and increasing the relative power of China does not make sense for US.

SunnyK wrote:can not agree more with the fellow bloggers media did not put the earlier two brutalities in the news for a long time as they say now AMan ki asha is now Aman ki Tamaasha..

SSridhar wrote:I was just reading Gen. Shankar Roychowdhry's book, "Officially at Peace". he mentions about how LeT captured an Officer and his group of riflemen, tortured them done to death an all mutilated. That was in 1994-1995 timeframe. I am sure that many such incidents have happened but never reported. We are aware of just a few such incidents.

He says that he personally visited the unit and spoke to them. He writes (p. 47): It was now up to the battalion to respond to the loss of their comrades and desecration of their bodies by going after the gang responsible and eliminating them from the face of the earth - their izzat and that of the battalion demanded this. The troops nodded grimly. The job would be done, and the results of subsequent operations confirmed my belief in my men.