Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Feb 2015 10:46

How about twitter?

wig · Post by **wig** » 06 Feb 2015 11:28

The bereaved of Peshawar’s school massacre on December 16, are right when they say it was to some extent an inside job. A pall of silence has descended on the investigations, which is also cause for concern. Our mole reports that a terrorist sympathiser on the inside provided information to the effect that the children were massed in the auditorium and also let the killers into the school kitchen at the back of the building, from where they began their murderous spree.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/such-gup-71/

well no wonder the investigation has fallen silent

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 06 Feb 2015 12:01

ramana wrote:How about twitter?

Worth trying. Geo News Urdu Twitter account has 270K followers.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 06 Feb 2015 12:14

How could Qadri declare Taseer a blasphemer, Islamabad High Court asks defence

ISLAMABAD: The bench hearing Mumtaz Qadri’s appeal against his conviction in the Salmaan Taseer murder case asked the defence counsel whether a police constable could pronounce judgment or carry out the sentence against an individual, on the basis of his or her beliefs.

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) division bench consisting of Justice Noorul Haq N. Qureshi and Justice Shaukat Aziz Qureshi put this question to Mumtaz Qadri’s counsel during a hearing on Wednesday.

The Jestists Janaabs Qureshi and Qureshi are not aware of the basic tenets?

As per the hadiths, the Prophet called for the murder of a person because he insulted him and declared that there shall be no punishment for murdering anyone who disparages, abuses or insults him.

Hence, Qadri used his wise judgement and arrived at the conclusion that Taseer was a "blasphemer" as he supported another "blasphemer" and was against blasphemy law.

This should make Jestists Janaabs Qureshi and Qureshi Wajibull-Cattle.

On a serious note, how does a person accused of blasphemy defend himself to be more "purer" than the accuser?

Pronounce the accuser as a YYY agent and stab him?

Or should he pronounce himself as a member of Tehreek e Khatame Nabuwat (where are these guys nowadays?) and accuse of the accuser of the same accusation and blow him? That would be a Matter hi khatam treatment.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 06 Feb 2015 12:22

ramana wrote:How about twitter?

dailymotion is a video hosting site which the Pakis access a lot. A lot of puke stuff on dailymotions.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 06 Feb 2015 12:37

Youtube is banned in Pakistan. Dailymotion is best Video hosting site for Pakiland

SaraLax · Post by **SaraLax** » 06 Feb 2015 13:15

Tribune Pakistan : Ahmadis in India urge Modi to grant Citizenship to Pakistani Wives

Accusing the Modi-led government of religious discrimination, the media in-charge of the Ahmadi Muslim Jamaat in India, Chaudhary Maqbool Ahmad, said, “Our prime minister talks of women empowerment but these women who have been married in India for past 10 to 35 years even can’t call themselves Indians, leave alone go out of Qadian.”

Qadian, north-east of Amritsar, is the Ahmadi headquarters in India.

Speaking to the Times of India, Maqbool said the external affair ministry’s website is proof that only a handful of Muslims are granted Indian citizenship.

“At least nine Pakistani brides in Qadian alone were awaiting Indian citizenship,” he added.

Maqbool himself married a resident of Faislabad, Tahira, in 2003.

“Isn’t this discrimination against women?” Tahira, who is yet to receive Indian citizenship, questioned.

Holding bureaucracy responsible for their plight, she said they were made to run between pillar to post even afer having fulfilled all the formalities required for acquiring Indian citizenship.

Another resident of Qadian, Mehmood Ahmad Nasir, who married a woman from Hafizabad 18 years ago, said, “I am a father of three, yet my wife doesn’t have Indian citizenship.”

“I hope after [US President Barack] Obama’s public advice to India on religious discrimination , the bureaucracy will get out of its slumber and pursue our case immediately,” said Nasir’s wife Mubina.

Further, she said not allowing them to leave Qadian is also a violation of their basic human rights.

Tahira added when her mother was admitted in a hospital in Amritsar, she couldn’t go there to inquire after her health.

“When we can’t cross the borders of Qadian; we all feel very discriminated, it should come to an end now,” she asserted.

Article in Tribune Pakistan is actually quoting an article in Toilet Of India ..

TimesOfIndia : Following Obama's advice Ahmadiyya's married to Pakistan brides writes to Modi

AMRITSAR: Following US president Barack Obama's advice to India for protecting religious freedom during his trip to India, the Pakistani brides living in Qadian, Ahmadiyya Muslim sect's headquarters in India, has blamed Narendra Modi government of religious discrimination and not giving Indian citizenship to Pak brodes despite marrying and living in India for one to three decades.

In charge , media, Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamat, India, Chaudhary Maqbool Ahmad has written a letter to Modi urging his immediate intervention in the matter and give Indian citizens to Pakistani bride so they could live with pride and enjoy all freedom in India.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 06 Feb 2015 15:22

Hai Ahmadiyya community !! Neither India cares for your Paki brides nor Pakis want you alive.
What was that saying "dhobi ka.."

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Feb 2015 15:46

AjayKK wrote:How could Qadri declare Taseer a blasphemer, Islamabad High Court asks defence

Qureshi and Qureshi - Court jesters

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Feb 2015 15:52

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 142666.cms
PM Modi may use military option if terror attack traced to Pakistan: Ex-US Ambassador

Blackwill, who is a close watcher of India and South Asia, said Modi's predecessors have been briefed by the Indian military on options and have never found them attractive.

"But I think Modi, both as a personality and reflecting Indian public opinion and political sentiment across the society will be much more likely to use military force than his predecessors," he said.

"Now how that might be applied is another matter. To try to diminish the likelihood of escalation between two nuclear weapon states, but hopefully the Pakistanis understand that their behaviour in the past is unlikely to be tolerable to this Indian Prime Minister," Blackwill said in response to a question.

Stephen Cohen, senior fellow in foreign policy at the Brookings Institute, agreed that Prime Minister Modi's response to a terrorist attack emanating from Pakistan would be a different one than that of his predecessor.

"I think based on what he (Modi) said and I think based on the Indian public sentiment, if there was another Mumbai attack, which I don't think it's going to be that likely, it (India's response) may be something quite different. There will be a vigorous Indian response. Perhaps even direct attacks on Pakistani territory, hitting camps," Cohen said.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Feb 2015 15:58

Don't think this was psoted ...

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... ui-colombo
US Consulate terror conspiracy: US hands over evidence linking Pakistani national in conspiracy

NEW DELHI: The documents handed over by the US to India in connection with the probe into the plot to carry out terror strikes on American and Israeli consulates in the South have established communication between Sakir Hussain, undergoing jail term in the case, and 'Shahjee', a Pakistani national introduced to the accused allegedly by a Pakistani diplomat working in Colombo.

NIA, which has carried out the probe into the conspiracy meticulously, had sent a request under Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty to the US for details from service provider whose email was being used by Hussain to communicate to his handler in Sri Lanka.

Hussain, who pleaded guilty and is at present undergoing jail term in India, was arrested in April last year by sleuths of Intelligence Bureau with Tamil Nadu police while doing reconnaissance of US consulate in Chennai and Israeli consulate in Bangalore to facilitate a terror strike similar to 26/11. For this, two terrorists were to be flown in from Maldives.

Hussain had named Amir Zubair Siddiqui, who was working as Visa Counsellor at Pakistan High Commission based in Colombo till some time back but had to be repatriated to Islamabad after India mounted pressure on Sri Lanka about his alleged activities targeting this country. Pakistan, however, maintains that he was shifted after completing his tenure in Colombo.

During his questioning, Hussain had named one "Shahjee" who was introduced to him by Siddiqui and all the meetings took place in hotels at Colombo. The accused told the investigators that "Shahjee" was described as second-in- command to the Visa Counsellor.

The response provided by US authorities following the request under the MLAT showed that the account was being operated by "Shahjee" who had provided the name while registering with the email account, official sources said.

There have been email communications with some email addresses in Pakistan and even personal account of Siddiqui, the sources said.

The email account is also alleged to have been operated under the Internet Protocol (IP) address of the Pakistan High Commission in Colombo, the sources claimed.

Late last year, the name of "Shahjee" again surfaced after NIA arrested Arun Selvarajan in Chennai and allegedly recovered some incriminating documents including layout plans of country's defence establishment like the Coast Guards complex.

During preliminary interrogation before being sent to judicial custody, Selvarajan, who is also wanted in Sri Lanka for allegedly supporting banned LTTE terror group, told the officials that he had supplied information about some strategic locations to ISI handlers based in Colombo who were allegedly operating from the Pakistan High Commission, the sources said.

Selvarajan again named Siddiqui and "Shahjee" as his handler and said that his business had been in shambles when he was approached by the two Pakistani officials for allegedly carrying out espionage activities in India, the sources said.

Siddiqui and "Shahjee" were not new names for the Intelligence Bureau as they had cropped up earlier in 2012-13 when security agencies picked up one Tameem Ansari, a frequent flier from Trichy to Colombo.

Ansari was arrested after six months of surveillance in 2012. India has already sent its request under Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT) in this case to Sri Lankan authorities last year to help in questioning and gathering evidence from the Island nation.

Ansari was a small trader who sent, among other things, potatoes and onions to Sri Lanka. After reverses in business, Ansai came in touch with Haji, a Tamil-speaking Muslim from Colombo who is alleged to have introduced him to Siddiqui in the Pakistan mission in Colombo, and "Shahjee".

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Feb 2015 16:00

About getting information about India to a Pakistani audience, pretty much what Agnimitra wrote.

The people you see on Pak. TV are likely all on twitter, but one can easily block messages one doesn't want to see. E.g., I have been blocked by Tarek Fateh, Sonia Faliero, Sadananda Dhume, C. Christine Fair, and just because I asked a question or pointed out citations that contradicted their narrative.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Feb 2015 16:00

Extremism in Punjab - Op Ed, DT

A video in which a young boy recites a poem praising the religious spirit of the Taliban has recently (re)emerged in the social media. Although it may have been shot before Operation Zarb-e-Azab was launched, it still stays relevant today and raises some important concerns. The clip shows a large hall located inside a mosque (probably) filled with a few hundred people sitting on the floor. They wave their flags with excitement as they listen to the 11-year-old disciple who claims: “The Taliban have come, the true representatives of the religion of Ahmed (Muhammad) have arrived, now the Christians and the Jews are screaming (with fear).”

Behind him, on the stage, we see a cleric perched on a high chair with a few armed guards standing on each side of him, their rifles stretched out, their bandoliers slung across their shoulders. Just a few steps down, on the other end of the stage, is a small group of enthusiasts huddled together like the choir in a church carrying their own microphones. They stay quiet during most of the recital except in the middle when they interrupt the vocalist for a short time and start chanting slogans in favour of the Taliban too, calling them the saviours of Pakistan, announcing their victory to rule the country in the near future.

Had this programme been held in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or FATA, it would not have caught many eyes since we realise the infrastructure of these radical organisations runs deep in the Pashtun areas. The regulatory authorities and intelligence agencies, on the other hand, although they make tall claims about their presence throughout the country, lack penetration within the banned outfits that operate without fear. And because of that failure, the information we obtain from our sources stays vague and inaccurate, unable to cover the fundamental elements — the three basic Ts — of a good report: type of attack, its target and the timing of the assault. A congregation like this in FATA would not strike us as surprising and, to be honest, that situation will not change for a while. It would require years of focused and coordinated effort to break their infrastructure and replace it with a somewhat functional government framework. Keeping that in mind, the military operation — if we believe it has been started to take down every violent organisation — has just begun and is not yet in any position to yield conclusive results.

The problem with this short clip, however, is that the people in the video are not Pashtuns. They are Punjabis. Everyone, including the chief cleric wearing the black robe with golden lining, his bodyguards, the chanting choir, the young lad and the people sitting in the mosque can be recognised as someone from Lahore, Faisalabad or Sahiwal. I base my assessment on their non-Pashtun accents, their facial features and their clothes, including their unique shalwar kameez, their caps, shawls and turbans. No, not southern Punjab, where the presence of the Taliban has been reported for a while; they look like people from central Punjab, the heart of Pakistan, a place where the activity of these organisations is supposed to be minimal or absent.

If this video is professionally identified and confirmed to have originated from Punjab, it would confirm the fears of many experts who have either been ignored or defied by the Pakistan Muslim League-N’s Punjab-based administration. These analysts, worried about the worsening law and order situation, have pointed out on numerous occasions that the Taliban phenomenon is not limited to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or FATA, and that Punjab may need as strong an operation cleanup as Karachi or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. And since the nation is waging a war against terrorism, it is about time that every part of the nation is dealt with with the same authority and force irrespective of its ethnicity or location. We cannot afford to play favourites any more: acting against one group and turning a blind eye to others. We did that exercise in the past and suffered from its backlash, a lesson that we must not forget and the price we must not be ready to pay again. Whether we like it or not, we need to work on every seminary, every school and every mosque in Punjab that has connections with the extremist groups. Along with that, we need to investigate every preacher, every cleric, every student and every donor.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Feb 2015 16:31

The question of "how to reach the masses of Pakiland" (140 mil then, 190 million now) was one that we discussed on here a decade or so ago before satellite TV. When I was preparing for my ebook - there was little that would reach them.

Now it is TV. Our only way to get through is Bollywood.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Feb 2015 16:53

Bollywood is promoting pakistaniyat wonlee ... All our movie producer are either WKKs or Dubai financed or are after the *vast* baki audience.

Baki TV actually is a very good medium all things considered. Even when they spin all kinds of CT, they do show the aam abdul a version of reality. Just look at the the coverage on Ombaba's visit. They do talk of India's lead on missiles, mars mission, education, etc even while dissing it.

Also note some of the anchors themselves are getting disillusioned and sometimes indulge in a whine fest. I recently came across a video where the anchor while discussing Baki politics kept repeating that India had developed a CNG railway engine, a first in the world while Bakis did not even have gas for cooking. Even when they mock our achievements it is an indirect compliment. A lot of unintended subconscious messaging is happening. There are increasing examples of this and the trend is likely to continue.

I haven't posted any such video 'cos I did not want to waste folks time here. Theek hai .. will remember to post from the next time.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Feb 2015 17:00

How long do you think DS-Concept will last in Pakistan?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/business/0 ... n-pakistan

Pakistan is a country that has great economic potential even though the country is facing energy crises, and law and order problems.

This was stated by Consul General of Switzerland here, Emil Wyss in a meeting with the Country Head of DS-Concept Factoring, Qaseem Jaffri at the Swiss Consulate. The two discussed about the avenues to encourage Pakistani exporters and strengthen business ties between Switzerland and Pakistan. Jaffri briefed the Swiss envoy about the efforts of DS-Concept in Pakistan. He said that DS-Concept had introduced the concept of factoring in Pakistan and is providing high class customer satisfaction.

What is DS-Concept?
http://www.ds-conceptusa.com/index.php/ ... /factoring

How it works
1. DS-Concept inspects the creditworthiness of your international customers all over the world.

2. DS-Concept buys your receivables from your export business and pays you the amount immediately upon the loading of your goods.

3. DS-Concept handles the management of your accounts receivable as well as the complete dunning process.

4. In case your customer cannot pay due to insolvency, DS-Concept offers 100% insurance against deficit or shortfall of payment.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Feb 2015 17:11

partha wrote:From Chinese foreign ministry website -
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_66 ... 4412.shtml
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei's Regular Press Conference on February 4, 2015

A_Gupta wrote:Here is how Dawn spins it:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1161754/positi ... istan-trip
In a first indication that China was positive about invitation for President Xi Jinping to attend the Pakistan Day parade, the Chinese foreign ministry expressed its “willingness” for continuing the momentum in ties.

“We are willing to keep this momentum with the Pakistan side,” Chinese foreign ministry’s spokesperson Hong Lei said at the daily media briefing in Beijing while responding to a question about the invitation for President Xi.

Underscoring the importance of high-level visits between the two countries, Mr Lei said: “China and Pakistan are all-weather strategic partners of cooperation, and the two sides maintain frequent high-level exchanges which serve as inexhaustible driving force for China-Pakistan relations.”

President Xi was to visit Pakistan in August last year, but postponed the trip because of anti-government protests by the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf and Pakistan Awami Tehreek in Islamabad.

The government now wants the Chinese president to be the chief guest at the March 23 Pakistan Day parade which is being held after a break of seven years.

A senior Pakistani official told Dawn that the two sides were working on the dates for President Xi’s trip.
They'll probably hold the Chinese President for ransom of all of China's foreign reserves. How else to interpret this? At this point begging bowl will not give economic stability, will it?

Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid said the Chinese president would visit Pakistan next month, but the exact date had not yet been finalised.

“The visit of the Chinese leader will pave the way for economic stability in the country and no-one will be allowed to sabotage the visit,” he said.

A_Gupta Ji :

The government – Cwapistani - now wants the Chinese president to be the chief guest at the March 23 Pakistan Day parade which is being held after a break of seven years.

Does this mean that Chinese Plesident Eleven will cally out the Oldels of Genelel Shallif?

Cheers

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Feb 2015 17:19

From the Dhulipala paper posted by A_Gupta in the 'Partition' thread (which I urge everyone to read carefully),

The essay argues that two themes became central in the UP Muslims imagination of Pakistan and played a crucial role in attracting their support for its creation.

First, Pakistan was envisioned as a sovereign state in the Muslim majority provinces of British India which would not only be the natural home of Indian Muslims to which they all had the right to migrate, but a potent international guarantor for protecting the rights and interests of Muslims staying behind in post-colonial Hindu India. This conception was bolstered by visions of Pakistan as a powerful nation-state blessed with adequate territory, rich human and natural resources, infrastructural assets, and strategic location abutting fellow Muslim states of West Asia, enabling it to project its influence not just beyond its immediate borders, but on the world stage. Second, this vision was crucially linked to Pakistan‟s anticipated role in redeeming Islam‟s historic destiny in the subcontinent and the world at large. In this regard, Pakistan was imagined as a new Medina, an Islamic utopia where an equal brotherhood of Islam would be established dissolving myriad particularistic identities of Indian Muslims to serve as a model for the whole Islamic world. As the new Medina, Pakistan was anticipated to emerge as the leader of the Islamic world in the 20th century, a laboratory where experiments in Islamic modernity would be successfully conducted en route to ushering a new Islamic renaissance in the 20th century.

The two visions cited above explain two aspects of Pakistan. One, claiming to be the protector of Muslim interests in India and two laying claims on Islamic heritage. It is this belief that, for example, drives them to name a Pakistani Navy destroyer as PNS Tipu Sultan from a far away Mysore who has nothing to do with Pakistan. It also works in the reverse to tempt Pakistanis to give names to their missiles such as Abdali, Ghaznavi etc in the (mis)placed hope that they were celebrating these thugs forgetting that the mDNA always speaks the truth (thanks to shiv). The Ummah leadership dream was short-lived as King Farouk of Egypt ridiculed Pakistan by derisively saying that Islam was born on August 14, 1947.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Feb 2015 17:26

Paki Lady: We have not cooking gas here and India running Railways on CNG - Start @ 1:20

I had a different video in mind but this is similar in content. There is no CT in this clip.

Ok here is a clip is from the full video that I had referred to earlier. Start 1:30

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Feb 2015 17:37

Forget Obama or MODI no one wants to come PAKISTAN | republic day 2015

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Feb 2015 18:46

Shiv wrote:

The Ummah leadership dream was short-lived as King Farouk of Egypt ridiculed Pakistan by derisively saying that Islam was born on August 14, 1947.

I'm not so sure the Ummah leadership dream is dead. E.g., I'm told Zaid Hamid keeps using the term "Medina e Sani". I presume this refers to this dream as Pakistan as the new Medina from which Islam would spread to win the world.

PS:
E.g., this is on Zaid Hamid's facebook page, and seems directly descended from Mullah Usmani's 1945-46 ideas.

Pakistan is Medina e Sani, a sacred land created on the direct orders of Sayyadi Rasul Allah (sm) and a secret from the secrets of Allah (swt).

Add in Arif Jamal's "CALL FOR TRANSNATIONAL JIHAD: Lashkar-e-Taiba 1985-2014". Why would the Pakistani state support Jihad beyond Afghanistan and India? The reason of course would be the dream of being the new Medina, and not just jihadis out of control.

It places Pakistani support for OBL in a new light. I'll also bet that if one could examine the Urdu literature closely, one will find a certain frustration that the center of the global jihad has shifted to ISIS in Syria, and away from the New Medina that is Pakistan.

Pakistan providing a nuclear umbrella to Saudi Arabia should also not be viewed in purely monetary terms; it also gives Pakistan the role of the protector of the Holy Cities and thus reaffirms its role as the New Medina.

The Pakistani Army's view that it has won any fight no matter how bloodied it was, if it survives to fight another day, I think mirrors the history of the Prophet's warfare.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Feb 2015 18:54

I have a request for Gagan and other forumites.

Could you please post Pakistan related videos in the Pakistan Multimedia thread that was created specifically for that purpose?

Why not here?

As far as I am concerned - it takes me 5 minutes to scan a forum page and click on links that may be interesting, read BRFite opinions and close links that are useless. Videos simply take too long. The content is virtually worthless apart from a sense of Schadenfreude. I can understand the gist of most of the videos although I can follow only 30-35% of spoken Urdu and it really is pretentious trash. I can barely tolerate 90 second videos and 10 or 20 minute ones are like inline images with some bimbo's face or some Paki asshole

Someone said why not simply ignore it and not watch. I think the same rule could be applied to people who post in Hindi or Telugu. Why not everyone else ignore them?

Sometimes I have more time and I would like to watch some of the videos - and then I have to search through hundreds of posts for the videos posted in between

So please.

Put videos in a dedicated thread. they are useful. they have their functions - but I think we can concatenate them in one thread

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 06 Feb 2015 22:02

http://www.dawn.com/news/1161754/positi ... istan-trip

So Eleven Dingding is going to be in Pakistan on March 23 again according to "sources" -- countdown to denial is still on, not that any of this will make any difference to those terror groups thirsting for revenge against the Chinese.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 06 Feb 2015 22:32

No chinese president is going to pakistan without PLA taking over islum-a-bad.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Feb 2015 22:38

"Pakistan is a HOLE" and China has no other option (Video in the link)
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1792522

All kinds to logic is being invented to show the importance of Bakistan to the Chinese ending with a demand for == on the lines of Bak==US and Bak==India.

Even here some nuggets on the real status is revealed @2:15 the guy says "Ham Cheen ko kahte hain janab alla ke naam pe kuch kar de .. janab maherbani kar de". Basically he admits that they are beggars.

At around 3:15 he says that they need to ask China to implement at least some of the over 45 MOUs. Here too he admits that all MOUs are just garam hawa.

At around 3:35 he says wrt their nuclear power, that every thing till date has been cut, copy and paste. Explaining it further he says, they take the Chinese blue print, copy it and ask the Chinese to create/build the copy.

So while the Bakistan's importance in the region and beyond is being discussed nuggets about the real status is being revealed too.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Feb 2015 23:31

pankajs Thanks for setting new standard in posting videos. I like the link in the other thread and a write up here.
Once again thanks and a request to others to emulate.

ramana

PS: we can have similar threads for Hindi language posts and comment in the relevant threads....

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 06 Feb 2015 23:49

Tuvaluan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1161754/positi ... istan-trip

So Eleven Dingding is going to be in Pakistan on March 23 again according to "sources" -- countdown to denial is still on, not that any of this will make any difference to those terror groups thirsting for revenge against the Chinese.

I predict that 11 won't be going to bakistan for the March 23 parade.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Feb 2015 00:04

SSridhar wrote:Extremism in Punjab - Op Ed, DT
<SNIP>
The problem with this short clip, however, is that the people in the video are not Pashtuns. They are Punjabis. Everyone, including the chief cleric wearing the black robe with golden lining, his bodyguards, the chanting choir, the young lad and the people sitting in the mosque can be recognised as someone from Lahore, Faisalabad or Sahiwal. I base my assessment on their non-Pashtun accents, their facial features and their clothes, including their unique shalwar kameez, their caps, shawls and turbans. No, not southern Punjab, where the presence of the Taliban has been reported for a while; they look like people from central Punjab, the heart of Pakistan, a place where the activity of these organisations is supposed to be minimal or absent.

This explains why pakis wear brown shalwars, and now switching to black when no one is looking and telling. Now they are doubly guboed - by Talibans and also by IS-Afpak!

This is the REAL Pakistaniyat. The army in uniform does not force them to wear military gear is all the difference between paki army and other jihadis.

The bunch of inbreds were loudly proclaiming victory and survival of Islam after killing helpless Hindus in Punjab since partition.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 07 Feb 2015 00:16

Pankajs: The guy u are referring to appears to be from Sindh. This show might be hosted in Karachi. Watch for shows hosted in Pakjab where the Pakjabis arrive in full strength. "Bay Laag", "Siyasat aur Saazish" appear to be two shows along with Najam Sethis show.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 07 Feb 2015 00:18

Khaled Ahmed appears to be showing some Pakiness in his latest article:

Writing in The Indian Express, Daniel Markey, senior research professor at Johns Hopkins SAIS, and once head of the South Asia portfolio at the US State Department, stated: “At present, however, he [Modi] has taken India out of serious bilateral negotiations with Pakistan. This missing piece of India’s strategy is profoundly dangerous, even counterproductive. During his trip, Obama should press this point; not as a critic, but as a friend who recognises the potential of peace through strength, Indian-style.”

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... ng-on-8/3/

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Feb 2015 00:19

KLNMurthy wrote:
Tuvaluan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1161754/positi ... istan-tripSo Eleven Dingding is going to be in Pakistan on March 23 again according to "sources" -- countdown to denial is still on, not that any of this will make any difference to those terror groups thirsting for revenge against the Chinese
I predict that 11 won't be going to bakistan for the March 23 parade.

Pakistan said they will celebrate the Pakistan day on the day Eleven visit Pakistan. Till Then,Pakiland will be celebrate Pakistani Night only.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Feb 2015 00:20

Someone should send that video of Pakjabi fundoostanis to Christianne Amanpour, and post that on FB and Twitter when they do that. Ask her if she remembers standing in the middle of a Lashkar-e-Toiba mosque in 1999, right after the Kargil War, and declaring into the camera that the mosque is empty because the L-E-T are "gentle, tolerant secular Sufis", against whom the cruel yindoos were waging a totally needless war and denying Kashmiris their Right to Self-Destruction.
That the mosque was not empty because it was a Wednesdin - she would not have been allowed there on the Fridin, or would have been stoned for exposing her ankles during the general Fridin love-fest.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Feb 2015 00:21

"Bay Laag" is hosted by the flatulent uber-RAPE Ejaz Haider, who apparently prefers the Glock and WaltherPPK to other guns for "personal protection"....just like James Bond onlee. However, I prefer Ejaz Haider's writing for its pompous vacuosity...provides a lot of entertainment value in addition to showcasing the moron's "strategic thought".

I suspect Pakistan will basically hold a Pakistan army day fully secured within a Pakistani military base and keep it off limits to those pesky civilians...that is what they have been doing for the past decade due to fear of getting bombed by their homegrown terrorist groups.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 07 Feb 2015 00:32

Jhujar wrote: Pakistan said they will celebrate the Pakistan day on the day Eleven visit Pakistan. Till Then,Pakiland will be celebrate Pakistani Night only.

Pakistani Night is celebrated daily in 7th Century fashion - no bijili!

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Feb 2015 02:20

You yindoo jingoes are unnecessarily gloating. Shiver in your dhotis for Bakis have

1. Greener than Green Grass., it is truly potent.

2. Night Soil., lots of it - and it is very effective in growing grass which is greener than green, slender than pindliyon ka guda, taller than the tallest and with deeper roots than bakistaniyat.

3. And nights darker than the Afghani nights

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Feb 2015 02:26

Modi Most Mentioned Man after Muhammad. They have Hard time learning that Bharat is One India and Modi is Its Prime Minister
Getting to know Modi better

I do not know how many in Pakistan saw Narendra Modi take the walk with President Barack Obama in the lawns of his official residence but it was classic Modi on display. It wasn’t as casual a walk as it appeared; it even had a name — chai pe charcha; I am almost certain the official programme listed the event as such. The ‘dialogue over tea’ was likely choreographed to the tee, with every possibility that Modi had actually walked every step of the route that he took with President Obama on his chai pe charcha earlier.Modi and the visiting president first walked out to the lawn and casually strolled to the edge of a water pool; stood there for a while, and then walked the pathways till finally settling down at a strategically located point for the cameras where the two had their tea or coffee. Even the pouring of the tea by Modi for the president was a fully-loaded act. It was an unadulterated Modi-Obama moment where Modi hoped to be seen together with Obama exclusively, in the same bracket, same frame, and at the same height. He felt pleased to pour out Obama’s tea for him, rekindling the pride of his beginnings even as he hosted the world’s most powerful man. Vintage Modi.There is nothing casual about this man. He works everything meticulously, not missing a comma or a full stop; nor the intended nuance. Everything he does is aimed at attaining a well-intended objective. Many loudly wished they were there to listen to the chat; to me it was insignificant. What was significant was what was on display. ‘Attention to detail’ is what explains Modi. What do we have in comparison?
Some of what Modi did was cheap, like calling Obama, ‘Barack’, not once but 19 times by one count, failing to evince an intimate ‘Narry’ or Narendra, or some such, in return. The US president remained formal in addressing Modi, as was the wont of the moment. Other than this one faux pas, the visit, to the viewing public, was flawlessly executed; Obama raised to the heavens in the manner of his treatment. (As Obama reached Saudi Arabia, though, to condole with the new king, the passing away of his predecessor, he had to bear his relegation to God, as the king left his guests unattended when the call to prayer was made). I narrate this only to define the difference in how Obama’s Delhi visit was enacted and how it was for him soon back to the real world after Delhi — from Wonderland to Washington Beltway.
Modi is clear-headed; knows what he wants and then works the details to achieve every bit of it. Without such drive, a chaiwala can hardly be expected to rise to be a prime minister. Looking back at the Obama visit, Modi wished India and himself to be seen in a different league. He achieved most of this. India was mentioned in Obama despatches as a global partner; invited to the high table of global geopolitics as Obama enunciated the evolving role for such partners to checkmate a rising China, especially in the South China Sea and in the Indian Ocean; and received American backing for a permanent seat at the UN Security Council. That’s a lot for a three-day workout.
Of course, Modi also gave something in return: on the liability issue where India will find a way around its more restraining laws and around even difficult politics — again to enable America to sell India its nuclear reactors; and, change equity laws to enable foreign investments in the defence sector — again for the Americans to set up their wares and sell even more to India; and in what was left unstated publicly, for India in accepting to rationalise its stance with its neighbours (read: Pakistan) to establish a relationship of maturity and reason. Nothing derogatory. That is how modern interstate relations function, more in the domain of growing inter-dependencies, which create layers of association that at a certain level, and in some fields, are harmonious; and at other levels, competitive, and at yet another level, confrontational. No nation dwells on zero-sum objectives, and that is why it is difficult to define one relationship to be exclusive over another.
What is of essence here is the leadership that India is under at this time and will likely be for the next 10 years. Modi can be pliable where needed, hard-headed where he feels that will deliver what he needs, but at all times, clear regarding both his policy and strategy. When he pushes Pakistan to conform to the demands of new India in leaving out Kashmir from the international agenda, or punish the Mumbai trial suspects before a dialogue can be granted to Pakistan, he works on a well-established plan. Add to it the pressure that he generates on Pakistan through frequent ceasefire violations, and it all adds up in seeking an acquiescent Pakistan ready to concede to an all-pervasive India, which is much larger, much richer and much stronger. Whether he will succeed or not in his design is yet to be seen; so far he has not, but understanding the design for Pakistan is important, especially when it only retorts with pet responses more akin to slogans.Modi needs to be managed, neither abhorred nor feared; his designs need to be first understood and then contended with smarter designs from the conception table. Again, our responses need not be confrontational but aimed at achieving a favourable political state — not a win, always. Of that, though, there is little space, inclination or time in Pakistan. Pakistani politics is all about domestic politics, even when in government; it is never about governance or administration or policy or something as remote as a vision. There is a gaping hole instead, politics not yet having risen to that level of cognisance. Compare that with Modi’s way of doing things.What will keep Modi back and his dreams unfulfilled? Of that, too, there is little confusion. In fact, Obama stated that very well. At the end of his stay in India, when addressing a gathering, he reminded India to be tolerant of the ‘other’, of another religion, race or a region, or of another people, because without such harmony and inclusivity, India will barter all its advantages when blinded by ambition to establish, racial, ethnic, religious, regional or global exclusivity. In other words, keep the swords sheathed on Article 370, on the Uniform Civil Code, on Babri Mosque, or in letting people of other religions pursue their religion freely.Modi’s next stop is China and the signs from up there too are ominous. Both Russia and China seemed to have agreed to support India’s full memberships to both the SCO and the Apec. They also speak of the need for wholesome reform to the UN Security Council — qualified support only for the moment, but getting the two behemoths to move is not insignificant. Pakistan may have its hands full but it will help to keep an eye on its neighbour before the lag is unbridgeable.

disha · Post by **disha** » 07 Feb 2015 03:54

Jhujar'ji thanks. I am highlighting the above differently...

Jhujar wrote:Baki Schizophrenia at OM summit (Modi-Obama)

Getting to know Modi better

I do not know how many in Pakistan saw Narendra Modi take the walk with President Barack Obama in the lawns of his official residence but it was classic Modi on display. It wasn’t as casual a walk as it appeared; it even had a name — chai pe charcha; I am almost certain the official programme listed the event as such. The ‘dialogue over tea’ was likely choreographed to the tee, with every possibility that Modi had actually walked every step of the route that he took with President Obama on his chai pe charcha earlier. Modi and the visiting president first walked out to the lawn and casually strolled to the edge of a water pool; stood there for a while, and then walked the pathways till finally settling down at a strategically located point for the cameras where the two had their tea or coffee. Even the pouring of the tea by Modi for the president was a fully-loaded act. It was an unadulterated Modi-Obama moment where Modi hoped to be seen together with Obama exclusively, in the same bracket, same frame, and at the same height. He felt pleased to pour out Obama’s tea for him, rekindling the pride of his beginnings even as he hosted the world’s most powerful man. Vintage Modi. There is nothing casual about this man. He works everything meticulously, not missing a comma or a full stop; nor the intended nuance. Everything he does is aimed at attaining a well-intended objective. Many loudly wished they were there to listen to the chat; to me it was insignificant. What was significant was what was on display. ‘Attention to detail’ is what explains Modi. What do we have in comparison? [Baki suars first sign of cognitive dissonance]

Some of what Modi did was cheap, like calling Obama, ‘Barack’, not once but 19 times by one count, failing to evince an intimate ‘Narry’ or Narendra, or some such, in return. [Baki Suar does not want to believe that Ombaba cannot pronounce Narendra and calling "Narry" will actually go down wrong] The US president remained formal in addressing Modi, as was the wont of the moment. [Baki suar, what do you know? Ombaba on a good day behaves like he is attending a funeral, with all the Tea party going around him] Other than this one faux pas, the visit, to the viewing public, was flawlessly executed; Obama raised to the heavens in the manner of his treatment. (As Obama reached Saudi Arabia, though, to condole with the new king, the passing away of his predecessor, he had to bear his relegation to God, as the king left his guests unattended when the call to prayer was made). I narrate this only to define the difference in how Obama’s Delhi visit was enacted and how it was for him soon back to the real world after Delhi — from Wonderland to Washington Beltway. [Baki suar, Modi rolled out the red carpet and got the deal he wanted. Does Sharif has hotline to Ombaba or does he have to buy dukhonomy class with a PIA?]

Modi is clear-headed; knows what he wants and then works the details to achieve every bit of it. Without such drive, a chaiwala can hardly be expected to rise to be a prime minister. [All Chaiwallahs rejoice! If you know what you want, have drive and then work the details y'all will be PMs of India] Looking back at the Obama visit, Modi wished India and himself to be seen in a different league. He achieved most of this. India was mentioned in Obama despatches as a global partner; invited to the high table of global geopolitics as Obama enunciated the evolving role for such partners to checkmate a rising China, especially in the South China Sea and in the Indian Ocean; and received American backing for a permanent seat at the UN Security Council. That’s a lot for a three-day workout. [Baki suar, missed the hotline between India PM and Obama. Anyway care to explain what will be the result of 3-day workout with Sharif]

Of course, Modi also gave something in return: on the liability issue where India will find a way around its more restraining laws and around even difficult politics — again to enable America to sell India its nuclear reactors; and, change equity laws to enable foreign investments in the defence sector — again for the Americans to set up their wares and sell even more to India; and in what was left unstated publicly, for India in accepting to rationalise its stance with its neighbours (read: Pakistan) to establish a relationship of maturity and reason. Nothing derogatory. That is how modern interstate relations function, more in the domain of growing inter-dependencies, which create layers of association that at a certain level, and in some fields, are harmonious; and at other levels, competitive, and at yet another level, confrontational. No nation dwells on zero-sum objectives, and that is why it is difficult to define one relationship to be exclusive over another. [Baki suar, since you mentioned that no nation dwells on zero-sum objective you agree that Bakistan is not a nation and you are reassuring yourself that Modi also gave something in return. Talk about cognitive dissonance!!]

What is of essence here is the leadership that India is under at this time and will likely be for the next 10 years. Modi can be pliable where needed, hard-headed where he feels that will deliver what he needs, but at all times, clear regarding both his policy and strategy. When he pushes Pakistan to conform to the demands of new India in leaving out Kashmir from the international agenda, or punish the Mumbai trial suspects before a dialogue can be granted to Pakistan, he works on a well-established plan. Add to it the pressure that he generates on Pakistan through frequent ceasefire violations, and it all adds up in seeking an acquiescent Pakistan ready to concede to an all-pervasive India, which is much larger, much richer and much stronger. Whether he will succeed or not in his design is yet to be seen; so far he has not, [Baki suar here is preparing to be relegated to bakistan] but understanding the design for Pakistan is important, especially when it only retorts with pet responses more akin to slogans. Modi needs to be managed, neither abhorred nor feared; his designs need to be first understood and then contended with smarter designs from the conception table. Again, our responses need not be confrontational but aimed at achieving a favourable political state — not a win, always. Of that, though, there is little space, inclination or time in Pakistan. [Lo karlo baat you yindoos - Bakis do not have space, inclination or time to win always and they are ready to take a favourable position vis-a-vis India. If this is a towel, this is it, this is it, this is it] Pakistani politics is all about domestic politics, even when in government; it is never about governance or administration or policy or something as remote as a vision. There is a gaping hole instead, politics not yet having risen to that level of cognisance. Compare that with Modi’s way of doing things. What will keep Modi back and his dreams unfulfilled? Of that, too, there is little confusion. In fact, Obama stated that very well. At the end of his stay in India, when addressing a gathering, he reminded India to be tolerant of the ‘other’, of another religion, race or a region, or of another people, because without such harmony and inclusivity, India will barter all its advantages when blinded by ambition to establish, racial, ethnic, religious, regional or global exclusivity. In other words, keep the swords sheathed on Article 370, on the Uniform Civil Code, on Babri Mosque, or in letting people of other religions pursue their religion freely.[/b] [Baki suar makes a leap of faith., suar does not realize that Umrika already has a UCC and no Babri Mosque.] Modi’s next stop is China and the signs from up there too are ominous. [For whom?] Both Russia and China seemed to have agreed to support India’s full memberships to both the SCO and the Apec. They also speak of the need for wholesome reform to the UN Security Council — qualified support only for the moment, but getting the two behemoths to move is not insignificant. Pakistan may have its hands full but it will help to keep an eye on its neighbour before the lag is unbridgeable.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 07 Feb 2015 04:03

The last line means that the hawa-mar-shell knows three inevitable facts:
1) bakis can only keep an "eye"
2) Bakis are lagging (he does not quite know how)
3) at some point in the near future, the lag will be unbridgeable.

But obviously the hawa-mar-shell has no clue about terms like the following when used together or separately

ambition to establish, racial, ethnic, religious, regional or global exclusivity

Too many big words for a Baki ex pilot, who incidentally happens to be a member of an clan claiming exclusivity in their country and also a member of a religion that claims exclusivity in the world.

partha · Post by **partha** » 07 Feb 2015 04:06

KLNMurthy wrote:
Tuvaluan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1161754/positi ... istan-trip

So Eleven Dingding is going to be in Pakistan on March 23 again according to "sources" -- countdown to denial is still on, not that any of this will make any difference to those terror groups thirsting for revenge against the Chinese.
I predict that 11 won't be going to bakistan for the March 23 parade.

You can safely bet President 11 won't be visiting Pakistan anytime soon.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/834020/chin ... kesperson/

Chinese foreign minister to visit Pakistan soon, says FO spokesperson

Foreign minister's visit itself is not confirmed. Just "to visit soon"

She also confirmed that Chinese President Xi Jin Ping is set to visit Pakistan this year. According to sources, the Chinese foreign minister’s visit to Pakistan is a part of the preparations of Xi Jin’s visit to the country.

From "take that you Yindians, we will get Chinese president to be chief guest at a military parade" to "Chinese President to visit this year".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Feb 2015 04:12

Most likely best bet for TSP is to invite MMS finally.