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Embarrassing disclosure! Drone shot down by Pakistan army was made in China: China state media http://ecoti.ms/VXkgXZ

Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta

Mubarak ho, Pakistan! (Via @Sanjay_Dixit)

schinnas wrote:I have a doubt regarding the recent puki - KSA spat. I wonder if maal changed hands under the noise behind non cooperation of pukis in sending troops for suicide in Yemen.

We need to closely watch any money dropping into begging bowl of pukis that can be linked directly or indirectly to KSA.

It should be noted that puki economy is currently held afloat by remittances of pukis in KSA, UAE and Qatar. There is no indication of these countries sending back puki expats.

ISLAMABAD: The voice samples of Ziaur Rehman Lakhvi are in the limelight once again since the Ufa meeting but it’s an issue that the FIA has been following for the past few years, even though the Agency now claims that they are irrelevant to the trial.

After having pursued the matter for four years, the FIA now says the voice samples cannot be used as evidence.

In 2011, the Agency went to the IHC to obtain the voice samples of Lakhvi and his co-accused Abdul Wajid, Mazhar Iqbal, Hammad Amin Sadiq, Shahid Jamil, Jamil Ahmed and Younas Anjum currently confined in Adiala Jail. The petition is still pending in the IHC.

The IHC division bench on September 12, 2012 dismissed the petition for “non prosecution” — in other words, the FIA was not pursuing this matter.

FIA special prosecutor Mohammad Azhar Chaudhry told Dawn that “there is no law in Pakistan that allows the prosecution to forcibly obtain the voice sample of an accused. There is no such law in India and the US.”

“We cannot force the accused to give their voice sample.”[*]

Jhujar wrote:Jo Hasega Wohi Fasega and punished with repeat watching, listening of the Shittrategic expert of Al Bakistan

kancha wrote:@gauravcsawant
Friends in Pak say Indian firing disproportionate & escalating. Causing unfortunate casualties of men & material. UNMOGIP called to witness

A multi-pronged strategy is evidently being developed by the Modi government to deal with the security and diplomatic challenges Pakistan poses. The traditional mantra that ‘dialogue’ alone can bring peace and amity with Pakistan has, at long last, been recognised as being unrealistic and impractical. There is recognition now that diplomacy can only work if accompanied by measures that make it costly for Pakistan to continue on its present path of confrontation and diplomatic negativism, which it has consistently adopted.

Within South Asia, Pakistan’s strategy of using SAARC as an instrument to embarrass India and prevent moves for economic integration of the region has been aggressively countered. In his first year of office, Modi has visited all his eastern South Asian neighbours, while avoiding visits to politically unstable Maldives and Pakistan. The land boundary agreement and his high-profile visit to Bangladesh have effectively blocked Pakistan’s efforts to sow discord between Delhi and Dhaka. This has been combined with moves that exclude Pakistan to build maritime, road and rail connectivity and energy cooperation with Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Myanmar, across the Bay of Bengal. Pakistan has been effectively told that try as it may, it cannot block India’s growing economic ties and connectivity with its neighbours.

Modi is also the first Indian Prime Minister to directly express his concerns to China’s leadership on its moves to internationally abet Pakistan-sponsored terrorism by blocking global action against Pakistan-based terrorists and terrorist groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). Beijing cannot but realise that its international image will take a beating if it is seen to be blocking action against internationally designated terrorist groups. The assiduous courting of the otherwise not too friendly Obama administration is also paying dividends. Pakistan is also feeling the heat of American pressure on reining in its jihadi groups.

With its forces involved heavily in fighting the Tehreek-e-Taliban in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, Baloch tribesmen from the Bugti, Marri and Mengal clans in Baluchistan and an urban warfare against the MQM in Karachi, the Pakistan army is now tied down in three of the country’s four provinces. The hawkish Army Chief, General Raheel Sharif, is crying hoarse about the alleged involvement of India’s R&AW in all three armed uprisings inside Pakistan. General Sharif has also been taken aback by the unprecedentedly robust response by the Indian army and the BSF to infiltration bids and unprovoked firing by Pakistan, across the LoC and the international border. The hysterical Pakistan army’s response of threatening nuclear escalation provoked powers like the US and the UK to turn the screws on Pakistan and discuss issues of terrorism with India, while urging India to resume diplomatic engagement with its western neighbour.

It was in the light of these developments that the summit meeting with Nawaz Sharif was proposed during the SCO event in Ufa, where Modi was set to take part in the BRICS summit. Having accused India of terrorism in three of its provinces, Pakistan had little option but to agree to serious discussions, primarily on terrorism and cross-border infiltration. India has wanted such an outcome and not return to the past practice of a meaningless “composite dialogue” that was virtually designed to perpetuate Pakistan-sponsored terrorism. The forthcoming discussions between the two NSAs will focus on mutual concerns on terrorism, while discussions between the heads of border security paramilitary forces and the army DGMOs will focus on infiltration across the international border and the LoC.

It would be premature and naive to get elated over these developments, or expect that Pakistan will act against Zakiur Rahman Lakhvi. Nawaz Sharif’s family has for long patronised the LeT. Moreover, Pakistan has skillfully obtained American, Russian and Chinese backing on emerging developments in Afghanistan. It would be naive to presume that Pakistan will easily give up its terrorist assets anytime soon.

kancha wrote:@gauravcsawant
Friends in Pak say Indian firing disproportionate & escalating. Causing unfortunate casualties of men & material. UNMOGIP called to witness

Amber G. wrote:Sorry if posted earlier -- happened to see this Japan times story recently..
July 1999 During kargil down hill skiiing Musharraf orders his general to launch the missile against india, but his commanders refused to do that because the accuracy of the missile systems of pakistan was worse so they fear that the missile could hit pakistani cites.


Excerpts from above Japan times story: (Please read the original if interested)

A retired Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that former Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s 1999 military adventurism in the Kargil region of divided Kashmir failed in part because the North Korea-aided, nuclear-capable Ghauri missiles he wanted to deploy then had a faulty guidance system.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the scientist said that during the Kargil crisis of May-July 1999, Musharraf, who was then army chief, “wanted to deploy Ghauri missiles, but air went out of his balloon when the top general in charge of the missile program told him the missile had a faulty guidance systems

Over a year earlier, on April 6, 1998, Pakistan had carried out what it described as a successful first test of the intermediate-range ballistic missile, developed by Khan Research Laboratory with North Korean assistance.

Even Musharraf, who witnessed that Ghauri launch as a local corps commander, had been led to believe it was a success then, according to the nuclear scientist, who until recently had long been closely associated with the country’s nuclear and missile programs.


The truth, he said, is that the ballistic missile failed to reach its predesignated impact point in Pakistan’s southwestern province of Baluchistan and its debris could not be found — something that would have undermined the missile’s deterrent effect if it were made public.

Gagan wrote:JohneeG,
They have missile manufacturing capability. They produce them at two locations. If I get time, I will brush off some of my older posts about their defense sites and post them in a relevant dhaga.

Mushy did order deployment of their missile capability during Kargil, their army made a lot of song and dance about it, displaying them outside their hangers, thook-polishing the missiles in the open so they could be photographed by Indian, US, Russian, Chinese, Israeli satellites.

What they don't have is any relevant nuclear weapons capability, there is no open source confirmation of this, there are hints only.
The various governments seem to be winking and nodding and smiling. It is deliberately being shrouded in mystery.

My personal assessment is that when pakistan says that they will use nuclear weapons, India should not take that threat very seriously. Won't say more.

johneeG wrote: This confirms my belief that Pakistan does not have missiles and nukes if it didn't use them during Kargil. During Kargil, Pakistan would have used all their options before accepting defeat.

During Kargil, Pakistan had the option of
- Opening another front some where on the Indo-Pak border to reduce pressure on Kargil.
- using missiles and threaten nukes.

partha wrote:

johneeG wrote: This confirms my belief that Pakistan does not have missiles and nukes if it didn't use them during Kargil. During Kargil, Pakistan would have used all their options before accepting defeat.

During Kargil, Pakistan had the option of
- Opening another front some where on the Indo-Pak border to reduce pressure on Kargil.
- using missiles and threaten nukes.

It's not that simple in my opinion. It's definitely possible that they lack in missile and nuke capabilities but there are other reasons too as to why they didn't use missiles. That would have escalated the war to a whole new level which would have been unsustainable for them. Remember this Pakistanis we are talking about.

partha wrote:Even if the missiles have faulty guidance system, they just have to launch them in the general direction of India and make it fall in Indian territory to claim victory.

A_Gupta wrote:"Multi-pronged Pak Strategy Better than Dialogue Hopes"
G Parthasarathy writes:

The hysterical Pakistan army’s response of threatening nuclear escalation provoked powers like the US and the UK to turn the screws on Pakistan and discuss issues of terrorism with India, while urging India to resume diplomatic engagement with its western neighbour.

In extraordinary times will inevitably come extraordinary measures — but the costs are piling up and perhaps now unacceptably from a civil rights perspective.

That an ex-minister belonging to the MQM, Rauf Siddiqui, has to approach the Sindh High Court to obtain protective bail after the police booked him under anti-terrorism laws for listening to a speech by his party leader Altaf Hussain is mind-boggling.

Consider the extraordinary contrast between the repression of the MQM and the space once again being afforded to a banned group like the ASWJ, which is no stranger to hate speech and that yesterday held public rallies rather incredibly in defence of the military.

To be sure, Altaf Hussain is only attacking the military leadership because his own party is under siege by the security apparatus.

It was only recently that his party still seemed to regard the military as a panacea and urged it to intervene in national politics.

That a wide-ranging operation is needed in the province cannot be disputed. That it should focus on crime and terrorism, including atrocities committed by MQM militants, and be mindful of civil liberties is very clear too.[/quote]

Confirmation That Robust Response To L.O.C. Violations Is Working

ISLAMABAD: A day after firing was reported at the Line of Control, Pakistan lodged a strong protest with India over what the Foreign Office said is an "offensive posture" [*]of Indian security forces and a provocative act against the spirit of the Ufa understanding.

"We hope that the Indian government observes the understanding reached between the two sides during 2003 to maintain peace and tranquility at the LoC and Working Boundary in letter and spirit," FO spokesman Qazi Khalilullah said in a statement.

The spokesman lamented [*]that four civilians lost their lives on July 15 and 16 when people were busy preparing for the sacred occasion of Eidul Fitr.

Paki Activist Praises Maharashtra's B.J.P. Government

EARLIER this month, Maharashtra’s BJP government voted to derecognise schools that teach religion without also teaching the primary subjects: mathematics, science, and English. Although a few Vedic schools are likely to be classified as ‘non-schools’, this step is primarily directed towards the state’s madressahs. To be eligible for state grants, they must now teach primary subjects in addition to traditional madressah subjects. By this decision any child, male or female, will officially be considered uneducated and out-of-school if enrolled in an institution that does not follow the state’s formal school syllabus in these subjects.

It is a fact that children who do not know English, math, or science cannot compete in the job market or benefit from university-level education. They become the victim of conspiracy theories,[*] pseudo-scientific nonsense,[*][*] and various forms of illogic. Madressah graduates can become maulvis and qazis but not engineers, scientists, or doctors. India sees its madressahs as posing a serious education problem but not — at least officially — as a terrorism problem.

Even if by some miracle NAP’s idea of madressah reform could be implemented, it would scarcely change the worldview that makes militancy attractive. Living in a primitive world where he is cut off from modern thought and almost all sources of authentic information, the madressah student can be made to believe anything. Unless horizons are broadened by including secular subjects, madressahs will remain a perennial danger to state and society. Paradoxically, the BJP’s approach to madressah reform is the more enlightened one!

Difficult or not, ultimately there is no alternative but for the Pakistani state to bring madressah and mosque under its control. Mere policing will not do. Instead, the content of instruction must be shifted away from a paranoid and destructive vision of the world towards an inclusive and reasoned one. Pakistan must do so even in the face of street power, as well as disapproval by Arab countries that fund those brands of madressahs which serve their narrow ideological interests. Therefore reform must be done incrementally and carefully, and without provoking a massive backlash. But it has to be done.

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Peregrine wrote:[url=http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-19151 ... dia:-Basit]P
NEW DELHI: Pakistani High Commissioner in India, Abdul Basit said on the occasion of Eid-ul-Fitr on Saturday that Pakistan is committed to improving bilateral ties with India. Basit told media in New Delhi today that he hoped relations between the two countries will improve and “if both sides have the will, then there is no reason our issues such as poverty, illiteracy and disease are not resolved.”

Peregrine wrote:[url=http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-19151 ... dia:-Basit]
NEW DELHI: Pakistani High Commissioner in India, Abdul Basit said on the occasion of Eid-ul-Fitr on Saturday that Pakistan is committed to improving bilateral ties with India. Basit told media in New Delhi today that he hoped relations between the two countries will improve and “if both sides have the will, then there is no reason our issues such as poverty, illiteracy and disease are not resolved.”

Jhujar wrote:Where did you get the picture of winged Pig in Ambar? This Abdul Bashit did not mention Kashmir or terrorism . Paki are beginning to realize they will become utterly irrelevant by end of Modi' 2nd term.

Pakistan Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz {yes same fella} has said that some progress on the Kashmir issue was needed to persuade the militants to withdraw from the Kargil sector.

''If the Mujahideen or the freedom fighters, as we call them, are going to be persuaded to withdraw, then they obviously would do so if the world is paying some attention to their concerns and their right of self-determination,'' Aziz told BBC World Television from Washington.

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharief and US President Bill Clinton reached an agreement in Washington yesterday under which the Mujahideen would withdraw and the Line of Control dividing the area would be restored.{Look how even Rediff is calling them "Mujahideen" and believes the Paki story instead of our own army who called them regulars. A better wording would be "under which Pakistan army regulars dressed up as the Mujahideen would withdraw"}

Foreign Minister Sartaj Aziz said at a briefing on July 11: "Following the mujahideen's positive response to our appeal to de-escalate in Kargil, the Government of Pakistan and the Government of India have been in contact on the question of the restoration of the LoC. The DGMOs of the two countries met today and agreed on the modalities for de-escalation including sector-wise cessation of ground and air hostilities to facilitate the mujahideen's disengagement. {SDRE paper calls it "DGMO to facilitate Mujahideen Disengagement. I have a problem with "facilitate" (DGMO is ordering them), "Mujahideen" (they are regulars) and "Disengagement" (they are withdrawing. Or more accurately downhill skiing.) Remember what I said about words}"

According to a report in the Pakistani newspaper The Nation (July 9), the U.S. and Pakistan had prepared their own drafts of a joint statement. In its draft the U.S. had described Pakistan as an "aggressor" and called upon Islamabad to withdraw its forces from Indian territory. "The process of marrying the two (Pakistani and U.S. drafts) saw many ups and downs. Finally, Sharif and Clinton personally gave it a final shape," the newspaper reported.

The "compromise solution" is obvious. The U.S., which has repeatedly called for a withdrawal of the intruders{US calls Pakistan the aggressor and tones it down to "intruder" our own papers call them "Mujahideen"}, did not want to embarrass Pakistan. Equally, it did not want to dilute its concerns. This explains the final formulation.

Bulk of the India defence budget has been going to Kashmir. So when Gen V.P. Malik threatens that 'should militancy grow too much - India would be tempted to enlarge the conflict'. Who is he trying to bluff? The military planners in India cannot be so naive as not to know that the Indian army is deeply plunged and suffering from the worst imbalance of its history. They innocently think that the bluff of their Chief will work. By such large scale milking of infantry from Indian formations a very major strategic imbalance has been injected in the Indian Army's holding and strike formations. I say with all the authority and professionalism that 'THE INDIAN ARMY IS INCAPABLE OF UNDERTAKING ANY CONVENTIONAL OPERATIONS AT PRESENT WHAT TO TALK OF ENLARGING CONVENTIONAL CONFLICT'

For instance, in an article published in the month of February or March, their ex-DG ISI General Javed Nasir had written that the Indian army is not strong anymore and can be taught a lesson. This misperception led to wrong deductions and actions on their part. Mainly, they thought they could get away with it.

I also think our reactive attitude has added to the problem. Militarily, we are never pro-active. This affects both our people and those on the other side. In the long-term, it has a harmful effect.