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Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 10:55
by Singha
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map of land ISIS has retained, lost and gained in the past year.

they have lost land near sinjar-al_hasakah and in iraq tikrit

they have gained palmyra, maheen, al-quaratyn this year and fighting is ongoing for all three. SAA gained the last 2 but the auxiliaries they left behind to move the 1st line units north could not withstand the IS counterattack.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 12:04
by Bhurishrava
http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-set-restor ... 14034.html
Turkey set to restore diplomatic ties with Israel. Why now?
Russian entry is bringing a lot of people to their senses in the middle east.

Noone is getting fooled by Erdogan though. Everyone can see Erdogan is doing Takkiya.
Here is the Israeli take-
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Analys ... ary-438027

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 12:18
by Bhurishrava
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Right-from ... vil-437889
Nor is Erdogan’s timing due to a gradual change of heart. It is, rather, because the Ankara Islamist with hegemonic fantasies has become a pariah in the Muslim world he dreamed of ruling, while Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready, willing and able to pummel him into oblivion.
Some plainspeak this is.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 12:26
by UlanBatori
Israel-KSA is not what it appears to be. Long time back someone very knowledgeable explained to me:
Just as you view Pakistan, we view Saudi Arabia as the Number 1 enemy.
KSA on the surface is fat bloated etc, but as you see, from the Yemenis' pov, if u are under their power, u experience their totally vicious nature. Just look at ISIS.

Israel will I am sure take the opportunity to cut KSA down. Iran is fundamentally more civilized. The Israel-Iran lovefest is quite recent (post-1978?) and I think quite easily settled once KSA is down.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 13:27
by habal
Russian Air Force devastates ISIS in east Homs: 22 oil tankers destroyed

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/rus ... destroyed/

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 14:35
by Bhurishrava
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/d ... -thinktank
Most Syrian rebels sympathise with Isis, says thinktank.
Ouch.
And only Assad`s fall is going to turn these into secular doves.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 15:13
by UlanBatori
Nausea Alert:
The thinktank, run by the Tony B. Liar Faith :rotfl: Foundation , said: “The west risks making a strategic failure by focusing only on IS. Defeating it militarily will not end global jihadism. We cannot bomb an ideology, but our war is ideological.”
The language stinks of the same pompous "Dossiehs" that the Liar provided in 2001 to protect Saudi-Pakistani terrorism.

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 17:20
by Philip
Tony B.Liar may yet have a date with the Intl. Court at the Hague for his war crimes!

Megalomaniac alert!
Erdoğan vows Kurdish rebels 'will be buried in trenches they have dug'
Turkish president says operations against militants will continue as state-run news agency reports 115 Kurdish rebels killed

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/d ... -be-buried
[quote]
ws agency reports 115 Kurdish rebels killed

A masked man holds a petrol bomb during protests in Istanbul against Turkey’s military operations against Kurdish rebels.
Associated Press in Istanbul
Monday 21 December 2015

Turkish military operations in the south-east have killed 115 Kurdish rebels since 15 December, a state-run news agency has reported.

Most of the casualties were centred in the Şırnak Province towns of Cizre and Silopi, both under 24-hour curfew, with 98 rebels killed, the Anadolu Agency reported. Other casualties occurred in the provinces of Mardin and Diyarbakır.

Turkey’s government says militants linked to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ party (PKK) have placed explosive devices, dug trenches and set up barricades in these areas. Turkey has vowed to press ahead with the operations until the region is clear of rebels.

On Monday, Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said the operations would continue and vowed that the “terrorist organisation” along with its supporters “will be buried in the trenches they have dug”.

In Cizre, the flashpoint of operations, columns of smoke rose from residential areas as a military helicopters and armoured vehicle scoured the area. The sound of heavy gunfire and sporadic shelling echoed in the streets, according to residents.

In the eastern province of Bitlis, two soldiers were killed and another six were wounded in a roadside bombing, according to Anadolu. The agency said more than 200 soldiers have been killed since the collapse of a two-year ceasefire in July.

Fighting between Turkish security forces and the PKK, including its youth wing, has increasingly focused in urban centres, displacing thousands of residents from the south east.

The escalating violence has dashed hopes for the resumption of peace talks between the state and the PKK, which have fought a three-decade conflict that has killed more than 30,000. The latest violence reminds many here of the worst bloodshed of the 1990s.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 18:08
by deejay
Guess who has his eyes looking into depths of Levant and Iraq and guess who all are tracking him track the rats:

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/21499/
Update from the Ramadi battle against ISIS
BY PAUL ANTONOPOULOS ON DECEMBER 22, 2015 MIDDLE EAST

With areas liberated so far by Iraqi forces, 5 battalions of Anbari tribes have arrived to secure the areas of Ramadi already cleared. Police have also arrived to secure areas.

An Iraqi spokesperson confirms that the air force has played a vital role.

“Our forces are advancing towards the government complex in the center of Ramadi,” Sabah al-Numani, a spokesman for Iraq’s counter-terrorism units. “The fighting is in the neighbourhoods and around the complex, with support from the air force,” he continued.

Progress has been slower than expected as Baghdad is relying solely on the army to uproot the 250-300 ISIS militants holed up in the center rather than the effective Shi’ite militia. This is in the hope to not flare up sectarianism in the Sunni majority city. This was also suggested to Baghdad by the United States.

Ajit Doval, a former Indian intelligence and law enforcement officer and National Security Advisor to the Indian Prime Minister, stated on his twitter that: “Islamic State Terrorists, Prevented Civilians From Fleeing :: And Planned To Use Them, As Human Shields.”

As reported earlier by Al-Masdar News, it can now be confirmed by an Iraqi army captain that US special forces by Apache aircraft are participating in the battle.
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Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 18:54
by UlanBatori
Fighting between Turkish security forces and the PKK, including its youth wing, has increasingly focused in urban centres, displacing thousands of residents from the south east.
Wonder what they could do with a few thousand TOWanski missiles.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 18:55
by TSJones
^^^^

from the above link;

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Ford F-250's pick up trucks

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US gear, all the way. full battle rattle.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 19:31
by shiv
TSJones wrote:^^^^

from the above link;

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Men wearing patkas as headgear?

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 19:43
by Satya_anveshi
Turkish labs turn Afghan opium into heroin for shipping to Europe - Russian anti-drug agency - Dec 22, 2015
https://www.rt.com/news/326731-turkey-a ... in-europe/
“The cargo traveled through Badakhshan-Doshi-Bamiyan-Herat, then further through Iran and into Turkey, where the opium was processed in well-equipped laboratories…into high quality heroin, and then was to be sent to Europe and Russia,” Ivanov said during an anti-narcotics committee meeting.
“The spike in IS fighters corresponds with the annual increase of drug smuggling in the Middle East, which is confirmed by the growing number of heroin seizures in the region,” Ivanov said.

Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) is “actively engaged with drug trafficking,” Ivanov said, adding that according to the FSKN estimates, the group’s income from illegal drug trade “makes up to $200-500 million annually.”

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 20:08
by UlanBatori
This ISIS appears to be a mobile/ nomadic form of Pakistan.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 20:11
by TSJones
shiv wrote:
TSJones wrote:^^^^

from the above link;

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Men wearing patkas as headgear?
those appear to be googles of some sort.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 20:34
by UlanBatori
So the ISIS are the ones with the soosai vests on the mijjiles, and the US-equipped Moderate Tribesmen are the ones with the soosai vest on the musharraf?

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 20:56
by Lalmohan
i must admit, its difficult for me to tell the good beards from the bad beards in most of these videos

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 20:58
by KLNMurthy
Singha wrote: ...

map of land ISIS has retained, lost and gained in the past year.

they have lost land near sinjar-al_hasakah and in iraq tikrit

they have gained palmyra, maheen, al-quaratyn this year and fighting is ongoing for all three. SAA gained the last 2 but the auxiliaries they left behind to move the 1st line units north could not withstand the IS counterattack.
Throughout this war, this has been a problem for SAA. They have been able to win territory but don't have the manpower to occupy and hold on to it.

Unless they solve this problem, it is hard to see the SAA prevailing.

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 21:26
by ramana
UlanBatori wrote:This ISIS appears to be a mobile/ nomadic form of Pakistan.

That is the meaning of the BRF word Kabila. A roving camp of Islamist nomadic horde.

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 21:28
by ramana
Lalmohan wrote:i must admit, its difficult for me to tell the good beards from the bad beards in most of these videos
All are bad terrorists. There are never any good terrorists.

Reagan used double speak to cover up his intervention in Afghanistan against FSU.
Since then the original intent is gone but midgets use the word good terrorists without context.

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Posted: 22 Dec 2015 21:32
by ramana
Bhurishrava wrote:http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Right-from ... vil-437889
Nor is Erdogan’s timing due to a gradual change of heart. It is, rather, because the Ankara Islamist with hegemonic fantasies has become a pariah in the Muslim world he dreamed of ruling, while Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready, willing and able to pummel him into oblivion.
Some plainspeak this is.

I was on a short trip to Turkey in late August/Early September 2015.
From reading the news papers and bookstores, Erdogan is only the articulation of a deep seated Turkish desire to get back the old empire.
They see Islam as the way to get it back.
The entry way is via Syria.
IOW getting rid of Erdogan will not end the Turkish desire for Ottoman redux.
They are the Pakis of West Asia.
Don't know if they want to be Asians or Europeans.
Big identity crisis laced with Islam.

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 22 Dec 2015 21:33
by Satya_anveshi
French Media Report Wrong Tone of Russo-French Defense Ministers Meeting - Dec 22, 2015
http://sputniknews.com/politics/2015122 ... drian.html
The art of picking and choosing selected quotes made it seem as if France and Russia weren't talking about forming an alliance, but rather "coordinating" their efforts in the fight against Daesh (Islamic State). In short, the French media put a spin on the story emphasizing only military cooperation and not the alliance. Everything was done to highlight the "business-only" side of the meeting.

But in reality the opposite was true. If one sees a video from the meeting, the tone set by Shoigu and Le Drian was nothing close to being a cold, business-like meeting.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 00:24
by Y I Patel
Firstly, no "ji" please - just YIP or Yogi are much more comfortable! Also, thank you Paul for the link to that discussion on Kalinovsky's book - if you don't want to wade through the book, the hour+ spent on that link will be sufficient to get you up to speed on his main points! FYI, there are some great rejoinders from the US Ambassador/Envoy to Afghanistan on that video as well.

To Deejay's point, yes it does look like Russia (and Putin) may have learned the lessons of Afghanistan. Ironically, the proof for me regarding that is the restraint shown by Russia in not retaliating to the shooting down of the fighter plane and rescue helicopter. If India had shown the same amount of restraint after an IAF plane gets shot down over LOC, fatwas to depose Modi (or worse) would gave gone out from BRF :)

One big mistake the Soviets made going in was in ignoring the potential of Pakistan to influence events in Afghanistan. In the same manner, like it or not, Turkey remains probably the most influential player in Syria right now, and they have shown that they are not going to hesitate in using that against ally as well as foe. Turkey has constraints too, but the fact is that Russia too can only go in with limited or constrained objectives. If it turns out that Russia overplays their hand and the resource commitments they have to make are far out of proportion to what they are able to walk away with, then Putin will be vulnerable to domestic backlash. That is because we really do not know who is driving the Russian intervention in Syria, and how strong the support is among various stakeholders within Russia such as the military and their external affairs department. The stated objective of the intervention is that if ISIS is not defeated, it will spread its tentacles to Russia or to the sensitive CAR republics. But there are different choices that can be made to address this, all of them suboptimal so long as a credible local force cannot be assembled to fight it. Joining a Shia dominated coalition only hardens the support for ISIS in Sunni dominated areas, and to me it is therefore a challenging choice for Russia to make. Challenging because they will require finesse to navigate the local realities - that Kurds are not willing to fight outside their areas, Iraqi shia outside their area, and SAA is unlikely to be terribly effective as an ally in Sunni dominated areas.

These challenges are of course not limited to Russia, but the point I want to make is that in US or Western European countries there is much greater debate (public or non-public) which drives the decisions and the commitments, and the debate makes the choices made easier to sustain through unexpected contingencies. I am not aware of any similar debate taking place in Russia before the intervention, and I am certainly not going to take the word of Sputnik News or Russia Times on this. My suspicion is that Putin and maybe a small coterie surrounding him are responsible for this decision, and they made it without sufficient consideration of the ramifications. If that is the case, while things look okay for them right now, they should be very mindful of not succumbing to hubris. Their interests in Syria are in fact reasonably aligned with other European players and the US, but there are also some minefields - for example, if Turkey gets desperate it will get increasingly brazen in provoking a confrontation in order to make this a NATO issue. So we are not out of the woods yet, and the situation can get much much worse.

I have belabored my thoughts on the Russian intervention in Syria long enough. Please feel free to comment, but I will most likely not have followups. I do want to get back to Afghanistan, after all :)

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 01:05
by Satya_anveshi
Putin is vachanabaddha to make Turkey regret the downing of the plane more than once. Enough said.


One has to go out of ordinary to make sense of the below news:

No alternative to UN Syria talks, Putin says in conversation with Netanyahu - Dec 22, 2015 (source RT)
Vladimir Putin has said that there are no alternatives to launching UN-brokered intra-Syrian talks, the Kremlin press service said on Tuesday after the Russian president’s telephone conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The conversation had been initiated by Israel. The two leaders “agreed to maintain active dialogue at various levels to further coordinate their anti-terrorist efforts,” the press service said. In the context of the Palestinian-Israeli settlement, Putin “stressed the importance of practical steps towards de-escalation of the situation,” according to the statement.
and so with below news (they are different sides of same Israeli plan):

Are Turkey and Israel poised to thaw icy relations?
Nimrod Goren, founder and chairman of Mitvim (The Israeli Institute for Regional Foreign Policies) agrees that an agreement between Israel and Turkey, if reached, will create a more favorable regional environment for both countries.

“It will enable Israel and Turkey to renew their official strategic dialogue and coordination, to seek joint interests in the changing region, and to deal with their differences in a more effective diplomatic manner,” Goren told Al Arabiya News.
The next step for a final normalization deal will occur on the energy front, with Turkey to buy gas from Israel’s offshore oil fields especially due to the deterioration of its relations with its main gas provider, Russia. Another cooperation avenue would be over the laying of a natural gas pipeline via Turkey to export Israeli gas to Europe.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 02:30
by Satya_anveshi
Genel Energy and Genie Energy (parent of Genie Oil and Gas) are the two most interesting companies not only because of their presence in conflict torn region but also because of the people behind them:

http://www.genelenergy.com/about-us/who-we-are/

http://genieoilgas.com/about-us/strateg ... ory-board/
Strategic Advisory Board

The Strategic Advisory Board of Genie Oil and Gas advises management on strategic, financial, operational and public policy matters.

Michael Steinhardt (SAB Chairman)
Noted Wall Street investor and Principal Manager, Steinhardt Management LLC. Founder Steinhardt, Fine, Berkowitz & Co., and noted philanthropist.

Richard Cheney
46th Vice President of the United States. Vice President Cheney also served as President and CEO of Halliburton Company and U.S. Secretary of Defense from 1989 to 1993.

Mary Landrieu
United States Senator from Louisiana from 1996 to 2014. Senator Landrieu served as chair of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. In her capacity as chair, she sponsored and passed the U.S.-Israel Energy Cooperation Bill. The bill fosters partnerships focused on developing resources such as natural gas and alternative fuels, on the academic, business and governmental levels.

Rupert Murdoch
Founder and Executive Chairman of News Corporation, one of the world’s largest diversified media companies. News Corporation’s holdings include Fox Entertainment, Dow Jones and Company, the New York Post, HarperCollins and significant media assets on six continents.

Bill Richardson
Governor of New Mexico from 2003 to 2011. Mr. Richardson has served as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (1997-1998), Energy Secretary in the Clinton administration (1998-2001), Chairman of the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and as Chairman of the Democratic Governors Association.

Jacob Rothschild, OM, GBE
Chairman of the J. Rothschild group of companies and of RIT Capital Partners plc. Chairman of Five Arrows Limited. Lord Rothschold is a noted philanthropist and Chairman of the Rothschild Foundation.

Dr. Lawrence Summers
Charles W. Eliot University Professor and President Emeritus at Harvard University. Dr. Summers served as the 71st Secretary of the Treasury under President Clinton and as Director of the National Economic Council for President Obama.

R. James Woolsey
Director of Central Intelligence from 1993 to 1995 and as Under Secretary of the Navy from 1977 to 1979. Mr. Woolsey is co-founder of the United States Energy Security Council and is Chairman of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 23 Dec 2015 02:35
by Satya_anveshi
Interesting set of two articles. Must read for serious followers of this issue/thread:

Turkish-ISIL Oil Trade: Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Russia All Accuse Turkey of Smuggling Oil - By Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya (Dec 17, 2015) - Part I
Because of the Turkish government’s role in the multi-spectrum US-led war against the Syrian Arab Republic, a war of words has ignited between Ankara and Moscow. Russia, however, is not alone in accusing Turkey of being involved in the theft of Syrian and Iraqi oil. Turkish opposition politicians, Turkish media, and various governments in the Middle East have also raised their voices about the role of Turkish officials in smuggling from the conflict zones in Syria and Iraq.

Russo-Turkish Tensions

A Russian Sukhoi Su-24M tactical bomber jet operating in Syrian airspace at the request of Damascus was shot down by two Turkish F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter jets at 9:30 a.m. Moscow Standard Time (or, according to local time in the war theatre, 8:30 a.m. Eastern European Time) on November 24, 2015. The Kremlin reacted by asking for an explanation and apology. The Russian military quickly summoned the Turkish military attaché in Moscow and called the Su-24M’s downing an unfriendly act by Ankara while Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking from Sochi during a meeting with Jordan’s King Abdullah II, described it as a «stab in the back, carried out against us by accomplices of terrorists.» Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of the Chechen Republic, would later describe the Turkish attack as an assault on the opponents of the so-called Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL/ISIS/IS/DAESH) by the Turkish government on behalf of the US.

On the day of the Russian jet’s downing, Turkey would immediately call for consultations of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to be held at 4:00 p.m. Greenwich Mean Time. It would get NATO’s backing against Russia. In 2012, however, both the NATO and Turkish positions were the opposite. When a Turkish F-4 Phantom reconnaissance jet was shot down by the Syrians on June 22, the Turkish government and NATO said that such a short-term violation did not merit a military response by the Syrians.

The analysis of the Kremlin quickly concluded that the Turkish attack on the Su-24M was intentional. Russo-Turkish tensions began to mount. «We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation,» Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov announced two days later, on November 26, after meeting Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu.

When Ankara refused to apologize, the Kremlin reacted by banning Turkish food imports and barring citizens of the Russian Federation from travelling to Turkey as tourists. Moscow also announced that it suspended negotiations for the construction of the Turk Stream pipeline crossing the Black Sea, but Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan counter-claimed that the Turkish government had already decided to end consultations on Turk Stream due to Russian non-compliance with Turkish demands. In an announcement that pleased Washington, Erdogan also threatened to turn away from Russia as an energy trading partner by finding and switching to new energy suppliers – a point that should be kept in mind when Ankara’s ties to the Kurdistan Regional Government and the Turkish military deployment to the Mosul District in Iraq are analyzed.

Despite Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu’s claims that an open line of communication was needed between Ankara and Moscow, the flight plans of the Russian bomber jet had been given to the Pentagon as a means of reducing the risk of collisions and accidents in the air between the Russian Federation and Washington’s military cohort. The Turkish government, however, claimed that the Su-24M was shot down over its territory, but this was sharply rejected by the data provided by Russia and Syria. Even Turkish statements that the Su-24M was flying away from Turkey create doubts about the Turkish government’s claims. By Ankara’s own account the Russian bomber was only in Turkish airspace for a few seconds, but this is mathematically inconsistent with Turkish claims that ten warning were issued to the Su-24M in a period of five minutes. It is also universally recognized that the Russian pilots parachuted inside Syrian territory. The only way the Turkish argument, which has been supported by the US envoy at the North Atlantic Council, could even make sense is if Ankara’s argument was deceptively formulated on an illegal assessment by Ankara under which the Turkish military operates as though the Turkish border has been extended by eight kilometers southward into Syrian territory.

The day after the Su-24M’s downing, on November 25, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced that the S-400 mobile air defense system was being deployed to Russia’s Khmeimim (Hmeymim) Airbase in Latakia; the S-400s were then airlifted from Russia to Syria by means of the Antonov An-124 Ruslan strategic cargo jumbo jet on November 26. In an indirect message to Turkey and the US, the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces announced that Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bombers equipped with air-to-air missiles – used for air combat – were operating in Syria. The Russian Navy would also deploy the Moskva guided missile cruiser off the Levantine coast in the waters of the Eastern Mediterranean. Putin took a vow a few weeks later, on December 11, during a meeting with Chief of the Russian Armed Forces General Staff Valery Gerasimov that the Russian military will «immediately destroy» any hostile player threatening Russian operations in Syria.

Black Gold Rush: Looting Syrian and Iraqi Oil

Even more damning to Turkish officials, respectively on November 24 and December 2, Putin and Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov publicly revealed that Turkey was buying oil from the ISIL terrorists and that President Erdogan and his family were personally profiting from the theft of oil from Syria. Russia had already presented evidence a few weeks earlier at the G-20 meeting in Antalya that some members of the forum were helping finance the ISIL. While Erdogan’s government and Washington rejected this, the hard evidence, from witness statements and videos to oil shipment data from Turkey’s own port of Ceyhan incriminate Turkey as the transit point for the oil that the ISIL has been stealing.

As early as June 2014, Turkish parliamentarian Ali Ediboglu, the Meclis representative of the Turkish border province of Hatay on the Syrian border, revealed that 800 million US dollars worth of stolen Syrian oil was being sold to Turkey by the insurgents and terrorists in Syria. His statements were followed by similar accusations by the Turkish newspaper Taraf Gazetesi. The Wall Street Journal even casually revealed that the major political parties in Turkey had long accused Erdogan’s government of being in bed with the terrorists by writing that «Moscow has resurrected accusations by rivals of Turkey’s most powerful leaders that Ankara has covertly fueled the rise of Islamic State [IS/ISIL], deepening the diplomatic rift over last week’s shootdown of a Russian bomber».

Mowaffak Al-Rubaie, who the US had appointed as the national security advisor of Iraq in July 2003, would corroborate that Ankara was involved with the ISIL oil stealing operations on November 28, 2015. A few weeks later, on December 7, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider Al-Abadi would add his voice to the accusations by saying during a meeting with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier that most the oil that the ISIL was stealing from Iraq and Syria was being smuggled and sold via Turkey.

Referring to the theft of oil from his own country, Syrian Information Minister Omran Al-Zoubi told RIA Novosti that Erdogan had personally ordered the Turkish military to shot down the Sukhoi Su-24M as a reprisal for the Russian airstrikes against the ISIL oil smuggling business that was managed by his son, Necmettin Bilal Erdogan. A short time later, various reports surfaced about Bilal Erdogan’s ownerships of a BMZ Group-affiliated Maltese shipping business named the Oil Transportation and Shipping Company. It was also reported that over a hundred oil tankers belonged to the Turkish Bayrak Company owned by Berat Albayrak, who is Erdogan’s son-in-law that was appointed Turkey’s energy and natural resource minister by Prime Minister Davutoglu after the Turkish general elections on November 1, 2015.

In a similar context, Turkey has been accused of stealing industrial equipment from Aleppo and Syrian historical artifacts. Speaking to Reuters, the director-general of antiquities and museums in Syria, Maamoun Abdulkarim, has testified that over two thousand stolen Syrian artifacts are being kept in Turkey and that the Turkish government refused to document or return the historical artifacts that have been looted. These antiquities from places like the Roman ruins of Palmyra are being resold through Turkey in the international black market. According to the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), historic sites in Syria have been looted «on an industrial scale» by the ISIL and other insurgent groups supported by Turkey.

The evidence provided by Russia was corroborated by Tehran. Iran had been complaining about Turkey’s illegal oil smuggling operations in Syria and Iraq before the Kremlin even made its revelations. Laleh Eftekhari, an Iranian parliamentarian sent an open letter on December 2 to President Erdogan’s wife, Emine Erdogan, asking her how she could remain silent about Bilal’s criminal activities.

Erdogan reacted to the Iranian position by claiming in front of the Turkish public that he had demanded to Iranian President Hassan Rouhani to halt criticism from the Iranian media and that Tehran stops supporting Russian revelations about his family’s involvement in the illegal oil trade. On December 4, Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hussein Jaber Ansari diplomatically responded by saying that the Turkish government should instead reverse its disastrous regional policies and support for terrorism, whereas other Iranian officials said that Erdogan was blatantly lying about his exchange with Rouhani. Mohsen Rezaie, the Iranian Expediency Discernment Council’s secretary, responded by saying that «Iranian military advisors in Syria have taken photos and filmed all the routes used by ISIL’s oil tankers to Turkey; these documents can be published».

Iran is unequivocally supportive of the Russian position in Syria. Despite the analyses arguing that the Russian military presence in Syria is marginalizing the Iranians in Syria, Moscow and Tehran are working closely together. Russian airstrikes in Syria have been coordinated with Iranian ground operations. Russian operations in Syria are believed to have been discussed when Qassem Soleimani, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard commander fighting the ISIL in Syria and Iraq, visited Moscow in August 2015. Russia military jets have been using Iranian military bases to enter Syria, Iranian military jets are escorting Russian bombers to Syria through Iranian airspace, and Tehran has allowed the Russian Navy’s Caspian Flotilla to use its waters and airspace. Even US Secretary of State John Kerry has complained that the two powers operate in tandem in regards to the conflict in Syria.

Russia is not alone, militarily or in its charges against Turkish officials. While NATO has backed Turkey, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), Syria, Iraq, and Iran have backed the Russian position against Turkey. Like the Russian Federation, the major countries bordering Turkey, as well as politicians within Turkey, also accuse Erdogan’s government of working with the ISIL and stealing oil from Iraq and Syria.

Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

Posted: 23 Dec 2015 02:40
by Satya_anveshi
Turkish-ISIL Oil Trade: The Role of Britain, Israel, and the Kurdistan Regional Government - By Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya -Dec 19, 2015 - Part II
Turkish officials were involved in illegal transport of oil from Iraq long before the emergence of the so-called Islamic State (ISIL/ISIS/IS/DAESH). Their illegal trade expanded to the Syrian Arab Republic with the intensification of the conflict in Syria. Turkey, however, is not the only player involved in the illegal oil trade in Syria and Iraq. The operations of the Anglo-Turkish company Genel Energy PLC, which works in Iraqi Kurdistan and Malta, illustrates the constellation of financial and energy sector interests involved.

Genel Energy PLC

Genel Energy PLC has its headquarters in the English Channel’s Crown Dependency of the Bailiwick of Jersey, which is an offshore tax haven governed by Britain’s monarchy as a separate entity from the United Kingdom and its overseas territories. With the involvement of Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Cazenove, the Jersey-based energy company surfaced in 2011 after a £2.5 billion reverse merger takeover of Genel Enerji International Limited by Vallares PLC, an investment company setup by former BP oil conglomerate executive Anthony («Tony») Bryan Hayward, JNR Limited financier and banking dynasty scion Nathaniel («Nat») Rothschild, Nat’s financer cousin Thomas («Tom») Daniel, and Dresdner Kleinwort and Goldman Sachs investment banker Julian Metherell. Vallares is modeled on the Jersey-incorporated predecessor of Asia Resource Minerals PLC, Vallar (later BUMI PLC), which in 2010 raised £707.2 million in initial public offering and was co-founded by Nat Rothschild and Tom Daniel.

In June 2011, Hayward, Rothschild, Daniel, and Metherell quickly raised £1.35 billion (or $2.2 billion) for the deal between Valleres and Genel Enerji. Half this money came from investors in the US during the Jersey-based company’s initial public offering and involved investments from firms like the British asset management company Schroders and the Lloyds Banking subsidiary Scottish Widows. Two of Turkey’s richest men, Turkish billionaire business mogul and banker Mehmet Emin Karamehmet, who was appealing an eleven-year jail sentence for embezzlement at the time of the deal, and Genel Enerji CEO Mehmet Sepil, who was caught and fined for insider trading of shares from Heritage Oil by the British Financial Services Authority in February 2010, were given half of the new company by the quartet and issued a further £1.25 billion in equity from the deal.

It was agreed that Mehmet Karamehmet would be represented on the Genel Energy’s board by his daughter Gulsun Nazli Karamehmet Williams and Sepil would be represented by the lawyer Murat Yazici of Yazici Law Offices, who formerly represented Royal Dutch Shell, the Turkish Petroleum Company (TPAO), and Exxon from 1974 to 1989. Sepil was appointed president of Genel Energy PLC and given a «key executive role» or as Metherell puts it, «a key member of the leadership» due to his «unique knowledge of Kurdistan.» A former BP executive and chair of the Jersey-based Petrofac oilfield services corporation, Rodney Chase, and a former US ambassador to Turkey, Mark Parris, were reported as being part of the new company too.

War and Profit

This was a forecast in 2011 about Genel Energy’s expected production: «Genel owns stakes in valuable oil fields in Kurdistan, currently producing 42,000 barrels per day for the Turkish market. The new management, led by former BP boss Mr Hayward as chief executive, is planning to double output. ‘We want to be producing 110,000 barrels per day by 2012 and by 2015 the expectation is 150,000 barrels,’ Mr Metherell said».

Were escalated war and the plunder of Syrian oil foreseen and part of the equation? It is worth mentioning that the Anglo-Turkish energy company has been involved in the illegal export of Iraqi oil to Israel, appears to be working to integrate the energy infrastructure of the Eastern Mediterranean with Israel and Turkey, and was planning on announcing a deal to work with a «consortium responsible for oil and gas explorations in Lebanon» in 2012. The latter two objectives would all only be feasible if regime change in Damascus took place and compliant regimes were established in Syria and Lebanon. A noteworthy admission by Nat Rothschild to the British journalist Simon Goodley that certain locations in the world were outside of the limits of Genel Energy, including Venezuela and post-Soviet Central Asia, confirms that geopolitical rivalries are taken into consideration in the Anglo-Turkish company’s operations.

According to the South African journalist Khareen Pech, these interlocked directorship and companies are part of a labyrinth of networks that profit off insecurity and war. In this context, an earlier merger deal between Genel Enerji and Heritage Oil, another English Channel-based offshore company founded by mercenaries connected to the British military, that collapsed in 2009 should be examined with scrutiny. Explaining about Heritage Oil and Gas, Pech states thus: «In London, a similar web of companies can be found at the Heritage Oil and Branch Energy offices at Plaza 107. Over fifteen companies operate from this suite, share the same telephone numbers and the same UK-based directors and personnel. This clandestine approach to business enables [Executive Outcomes] and its British principals to operate and benefit from a hidden empire of corporate and military companies.»



Funding Division: Iraqi Kurdistan and the Kirkuk-Ceyhan Pipeline

In 2009, Genel Energy’s Turkish predecessor Genel Enerji began exporting oil from Iraqi Kurdistan to the Turkish coast with the opening of the Kirkuk-Ceyhan Pipeline. The port of Ceyhan is run by Botas International Limited, a Turkish state company that also operates the Turkish portions of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline that deliberately circumvents Russia and Iran exporting Caspian Sea oil from the Republic of Azerbaijan by going through Georgia and Turkey. According to Reuters, using sanitized language hiding the illegal nature of the operations, this «export route to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, designed to bypass Baghdad’s federal pipeline system, has created a bitter dispute over oil sale rights» inside Iraq.

Since 2002, the Turkish company had been illegally making inroads into Iraqi Kurdistan and slowly working to integrate the area’s energy infrastructure with Turkey through illegitimate trade agreements with local Kurdish chieftains that circumvented Iraq’s government in Baghdad and the Iraqi State Organization for Marketing of Oil (SOMO). The Guardian also pointed this out in 2011, amidst similar circumstances involving a deal between Exxon Mobil and the Kurdistan Regional Government, by writing that with the British government’s support Hayward, Rothschild, Daniel, and Metherell categorically threw their «money and efforts into drilling rights obtained in [Iraqi] Kurdistan which have never been ratified by the federal government in Iraq».

From an economic standpoint and in practice, Genel Energy is supporting the balkanization of the Middle East and Africa by providing revenues for breakaway republics and secessionist tendencies. The oil it is illegally exporting from Turkey is financing the Kurdistan Regional Government and helping Kurdistan Regional Government President Massoud Barzani reject the constitutional authority of the Iraqi federal government. Genel Energy even calls itself «a partner for the Kurdistan Region» in its corporate literature. In 2012, in this regard, the Anglo-Turkish company secured an exploration license from the unrecognized government of the breakaway republic of Somaliland, which declared its independence from Somalia on May 18, 1991.

The Israeli Connection and the Port of Ceyhan

It is also no coincidence that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu backed Massoud Barzani’s takeover of Kirkuk and other disputed territories in Iraq. Barzani and Netanyahu even called for the independence of Iraqi Kurdistan simultaneously in 2014. In fact, with the help of Turkey and Genel Energy, the Kurdistan Regional Government used its energy links to Turkey to transport oil through the Kirkuk-Ceyhan Pipeline to Israel. Large oil conglomerates, like BP and Exxon Mobile, were afraid to buy this oil publicly due to the threat it could pose to their existing deals in Iraq. Thus, according to Kurdistan Regional Government Natural Resource Minister Ashti Hawrami, Israel and Malta became key actors for avoiding detection of the smuggled oil from Iraq. Reuters reported the following on June 20, 2014: «A tanker delivered a cargo of disputed crude oil from Iraqi Kurdistan’s new pipeline for the first time on Friday in Israel, despite threats by Baghdad to take legal action against any buyer». Reuters also explained that the sale of oil from the Kirkuk-Ceyhan Pipeline that bypasses the network of energy pipelines controlled by the Iraqi federal government is crucial for the Kurdistan Regional Government’s drive for «greater financial independence from war-torn Iraq».

According to the conclusions of a University of Greenwich study authored by George Kiourktsoglou and Alec D. Coutroubis, oil export from the port of Ceyhan includes oil smuggled from Iraq and Syria to Turkey. Since 2014, according to the study’s analysis of the export data from Ceyhan, the «tanker charter rates from Ceyhan re-coupled up to a degree with the ones from the rest of the Middle East». While the authors of the report are inconclusive about the increased imports being «attributed to additional [Iraqi Kurdistan] crude, whose export via Ceyhan coincided with the rise of» the ISIL’s oil smuggling or as a «result of boosted demand for ultra-cheap smuggled crude», it can be confidently assessed that it is a result of both. Kiourktsoglou and Coutroubis also point out that «through the concurrent study of the tanker charter rates from the port» of Ceyhan and the timeline of the fighting with the ISIL it «seems that whenever the Islamic State is fighting in the vicinity of an area hosting oil assets, the exports from Ceyhan promptly spike» which «may be attributed to an extra boost given to crude oil smuggling with the aim of immediately generating additional funds, badly needed for the supply of ammunition and military equipment.»

The oil that Turkey is selling for the ISIL is being camouflaged with the oil that the Kurdistan Regional Government is illegally selling from Iraq. In fact, the ISIL has been transporting stolen Syrian oil into Iraq’s Ninawa Governorate and then from close proximity to the city of Mosul smuggling the oil into Turkey, where it is sent to Ceyhan for re-export. The Turkish military deployment in the Mosul District and its plans to establish a permanent military base are meant to protect these oil routes and dually maintain the flow of illegally sold Iraqi oil by the Kurdistan Regional Government and to secure the stolen Syrian and Iraqi oil taken by the ISIL.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 06:56
by habal
only viable solution to syrian conflict is after end of Syrian war, Turkey will cease to exist in present form. It will be balkanized. Otherwise security for Syria cannot be guaranteed. Armenians will take back north east of turkey, the kurds will take over south east, and south west hatay province is anyways turkish-occupied Syrian territory. Constantinople and surrounding taken over by greece may well be a consequence of blockade of black sea. Lesson from Afghan war is balkanize largest neighbour for lasting peace.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 07:05
by chanakyaa
Satyajit, great articles on oiled turkey. Israel & Lebanon are also at odds over offshore oil/gas find...

Deal over disputed Lebanon-Israel gas field

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 07:15
by chanakyaa

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 07:54
by habal
Y I Patel wrote: point I want to make is that in US or Western European countries there is much greater debate (public or non-public) which drives the decisions and the commitments, and the debate makes the choices made easier to sustain through unexpected contingencies. I am not aware of any similar debate taking place in Russia before the intervention, and I am certainly not going to take the word of Sputnik News or Russia Times on this. My suspicion is that Putin and maybe a small coterie surrounding him are responsible for this decision, and they made it without sufficient consideration of the ramifications. If that is the case, while things look okay for them right now, they should be very mindful of not succumbing to hubris. Their interests in Syria are in fact reasonably aligned with other European players and the US, but there are also some minefields - for example, if Turkey gets desperate it will get increasingly brazen in provoking a confrontation in order to make this a NATO issue. So we are not out of the woods yet, and the situation can get much much worse.
this is analysis through american lens.Firstly so-called debate that happens in US/UK/EU has never changed outcome of their external wars policy. Just postponing engagement by a day or week is result of this debate. UK under miliband and UK under Cameron. Lots of debate, end result is same. Whatever feeble nuisance value they had, they were bent upon exploiting that.

Secondly difference between Soviet under communism and Russia back under Tsarist rule with primacy to Church (russian orthodox). The first is manmade ideology, it can be overturned. Russian church oversees revolution, communism, demise of communism. This institution outlasts all. The war in Syria is guided by Kremlin and backed by Church. Putin is a front for these entities. 'Putinism' is here to stay is a reasonable expectation considering interests he represents.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 08:03
by hnair
habal wrote: this is analysis through american lens.Firstly so-called debate that happens in US/UK/EU has never changed outcome of their external wars policy. Just postponing engagement by a day or week is result of this debate. UK under miliband and UK under Cameron. Lots of debate, end result is same. Whatever feeble nuisance value they had, they were bent upon exploiting that.
Absolutely.

There is not much difference between US or Europe or Russia, when it comes to attacking a third country on one pretext or other. There is not even a semi-prominent competing view on declaration of war by US, in the past 50 years. Yes, there are dissenters who are used as a "face of democracy", but they are given only token face-time on media, while the US establishment shifts gears for war.

And because of this lack of openness, a lot of the recent wars, including Ethiopea, Afghanistan, Libya and GW2 became politically untenable back home, leading to sub-par achieving of political objectives for US.

Soviets and Russia are in the same bucket. Putin and his boys will manage media, to cobble up a national facade. If things go wrong, his team will handle it the exact way that US does it - a downhill ski that is sold to the gullible public as Disney-on-ice

The only two times that the west has managed really well are the GW1 and Kosovo in the 90s. Both because the objectives were very precise, defined and was adhered to till the end. Rest all had a negative political impact back home, once public woke up

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 09:03
by habal
public ego massage is prime objective of US/UK debates. Russia has similar deep state but they decide not to massage public ego so they are tagged as 'authoritarian' & 'rule via kremlin'. One fatal flaw of all democracies and pseudo-democracies is that ultimately it is a thin sliver or 4-5 people that end up making all decisions. Let it be India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, South Africa, Brazil, Turkey?. The deep state in these countries is somewhat democratic since these are newly formed countries and the small group of power wielders may change though it remains small groups. US, UK, Russia have 'institutionalized deep state'. They have change in presidents, prime ministers but power remains in same hands. This is why debate in these countries is strictly for media consumption and public ego massage only. Just pretense that they hold reigns of their imaginary power.

But debate in newly formed democracies can change public as well as deep state perception, and that is why open debate is discouraged because that debate can change policy. This is due to inherent weakness of institutions in these countries and this weakness is ridiculed by UK/US via their media who make fun of such countries and through analysts.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 09:22
by Satya_anveshi
There is simply no == here between what Russia/Iran are doing and what Sunnies/GCC/NATO/Israel are doing. Not after what we saw and are seeing in Ukraine ...one is fighting an existential threat from the other repeat offenders that have left such turmoil in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen that it has become a definite global scourge. From Indian perspective it is a welcome gift that Russia decided to jump in (although late realization) and we should hope that it will be able to contain the scourge.

But as they say opinions are like smartphones, everyone has one, some have more, so interesting to know.

Here Gaddafi is pleading to Arab council about their handling of Saddam, Assad is seen laughing (may be there is a lesson here):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6syr1tjbgA

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 09:29
by Satya_anveshi
habal wrote:public ego massage is prime objective of US/UK debates. Russia has similar deep state but they decide not to massage public ego so they are tagged as 'authoritarian' & 'rule via kremlin'.
Putin's ratings never went down and recently he conducted 3+ hour public Q&A from journalists. and yes without the use of teleprompter. Which world leader did that?

You will be surprised to know that people in developed countries particularly in US, UK, and Germany perceive that they have very little say in their country's foreign policy. If openness and public debates are their strength, why would people perceive that?

MMS was very favorable in western/global media and how many minutes did he face answering questions or participating in debates?
This is due to inherent weakness of institutions in these countries and this weakness is ridiculed by UK/US via their media who make fun of such countries and through analysts.
It is nothing to do with weakness of institutions but shortage of capital. Western media has overwhelming domination that can totally shut the dissent and can mold public opinion. Arnab's outburst in his debate with RT (linked in multiple threads in BR) is testament to that frustration he felt.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 09:55
by vina
These challenges are of course not limited to Russia, but the point I want to make is that in US or Western European countries there is much greater debate (public or non-public) which drives the decisions and the commitments, and the debate makes the choices made easier to sustain through unexpected contingencies
Nonsense! . Case in point the GWII. It was a war that everyone and his mother in law knew was based on a tissue of lies, had some incomprehensible strategic goals (if it had any goals at all beyond, ooooh.. Sad Damn tried killin Daddy and I'm gonna get even) put together by Dubya, Rummy and Condi and tag teamed by Tony B. Liar .

The only guys who had some sense in that were the French and they were panned (why , cos they used their brains for a change ?) . There was massive public opposition to that war. Dubya and B. Liar still pushed it and caused mass misery, the blow back for which is even the existence of this very thread.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 10:01
by habal
SAA & Hezbollah now control 3/4th of Aleppo.

Leith Abou Fadel ‏@leithfadel 20h20 hours ago
#Hezbollah and the Syrian Army control 3/4 of southern Aleppo after completing phase 2 of their offensive

Lebanese hezbollah grieving for his mate killed in south Aleppo front.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW2WSGvWsAEhBYR.jpg

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 10:19
by habal
Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 11h11 hours ago
15 T-90 deployed in #Aleppo managed to neutralise #TOW fired by Jihadists against it. Photo via @miladvisor
No video.
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☫Plutonium General ☫ ‏@SalafiHeadHunte 16h16 hours ago
@EjmAlrai 1500 Badr Brigade just arrived + 3000 iranian IRGC confirmed in Aleppo

massive gathering of allied forces in Aleppo, the latest numbers are indeed impressive, it could be as much as 10,000 IRGC, Kataib Hizballah, Badr, NDF, SAA and Hizballah.
Still not sure though whether this gathering will be used to cut northern Aleppo Province to the Aleppo city by connecting Nbul and Al Zahra, or a mega push in east Aleppo to cut ISIS road to Jarablus, or large reinforcements to support the offensive toward Idlib Province.
Keep in mind these are fresh troops on top of the current ones in all those fronts.
It is hard to think any large offensive is far away, since it will be impossible to hide so many troops from the Nusra spies, we may see this big quite soon, as early as January.

https://twitter.com/SalafiHeadHunte/sta ... 3085509632

Salma and Jisr Al Shughour are depopulated, only rebels hang around here.
Me thinks the first WMDs in Syrian theatre will be used here for total scorch the earth.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 10:54
by Shreeman
simple MRLS will scorch just fine. Them grads are already flattening the earth even without tochkas, tos1s smerches and the like. However, turki etc are not sitting idle. Nor is US/NATO. There will be no pushovers.

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Posted: 23 Dec 2015 11:05
by UlanBatori
Let me take a :rotfl: break to mull the idea that there is public debate in the US before/ modifying govt. blunders. Sure, there is 'debate' - Donald Duck & Co define it. I once attended a lecture by Uneven Cohen, (beloved on BRF almost as much as Shrilleeen) who adorns the pinnacle of the US Strategic Blundering Community. Several desi grad ishtudantz fawning in the audience. They did have some cabbages in the lunch menu, so I guess there WAS some intelligence present.

The GroupThink and mediotic truth-blackout is total in the US today. Until the Sarin attack, even I believed the Syrian Fleedom Flighters were actually fighting for freedom from Assadist repression - but at that point the hype around that attack smelled worse than the rotting corpses and I began to seek an alternative narrative to that on See Enn Enn. Even Al Jazeera is ISIS-controlled, so my usual sanity checks had failed.

But once in a while you see a flash of repressed rage. At one event where a top military honcho was giving the Security Update on Iraq, a veteran with Airborne badges on his shoulders stood up at the back of the room and blasted the speaker, demanding to know the truth about the numbers of US wounded/disabled - this was many years ago when the official number was around 1000, the reality was over 30,000 and heading to 50,000. But all those who know and can see the reality are under Security Clearance, meaning , tell the truth, go to jail for life. Unless one can do a Snowden.

Oh, YEAH! Free Debate! :lol: :lol: :rotfl: