Bharat Rakshak

https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... e-7569047/
Overnight encounters in Kashmir: Bihar man’s killer among five militants killed, say police
The encounters took place when a joint team of J&K Police, Army and paramilitary forces cordoned off Tulran and Feeripora after specific inputs about presence of militants in the two villages.
Bashaarat Masood, Srinagar, October 13, 2021
FIVE MILITANTS were shot dead in two separate overnight operations in south Kashmir’s Shopian, which began Monday evening, according to police. Among those killed is a militant who was responsible for the killing of a street vendor from Bihar in Srinagar on October 5, they said.
The encounters took place when a joint team of J&K Police, Army and paramilitary forces cordoned off Tulran and Feeripora after specific inputs about presence of militants in the two villages.
While three militants were killed in the encounter at Tulran, two were killed at Feeripora.
“During the search operation at Tulran, as the presence of terrorists got ascertained, they were given repeated opportunities to surrender. [However] they fired indiscriminately upon the joint search party, which retaliated, leading to an encounter. Due to darkness, the operation was suspended,” the police said in a statement on Tuesday.
Early on Tuesday, repeated announcements were again made for the militants to surrender but they again opened fire on the joint search party. “In the ensuing encounter, three terrorists were killed,” the police said.
The three militants were identified as Danish Hussain Dar of Kapren Shopian, Yawar Hussain Naikoo of Pahlipora and Mukhtar Ahmed Shah of Sindbal in Ganderbal. The police said they belonged to The Resistance Front (TRF), an offshoot of Lashkar-e-Toiba.
The police said Shah was involved in the targeted killing of Virender Paswan, a paani puri vendor from Bihar. Paswan was shot dead on the evening of October 5 at Lalbazar neighbourhood of Srinagar. After killing the street vendor, Shah had shifted to south Kashmir, the police said.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... r-7565367/
Five soldiers killed in Poonch: Encounter still on, militants suspected to have crossed LoC
Army spokesman Lt Colonel Devender Anand said the encounter is still underway.
Arun Sharma, Jammu, October 12, 2021
A Junior Commissioned Officer and four jawans were killed Monday morning in an encounter with a group of heavily armed militants in the dense forests of Chamred on the Mughal Road, which connects Jammu’s border Poonch district with Shopian in Kashmir. It was after 17 years that the area saw such a deadly encounter, the last being in 2004, when four soldiers had been killed.
Till Monday evening, the operation was still on, and had spread to adjoining Rajouri district’s Pangai area, with militants, believed to be four to five in number, taking on security forces there. Officials suspect the militants are part of the group that infiltrated across the Line of Control in Poonch in August.
Confirming the casualties, the Army PRO, Lt Colonel Devender Anand, said the soldiers were on a search and combing operation, which had been launched Sunday night based on intelligence inputs.
While the five were taken to hospital, they succumbed to their injuries, he said. The five deceased were identified as Naib Subedar Jaswinder Singh of Mana Talwandi in Kapurthala, Naik Mandeep Singh of Chalha in Gurdaspur, Sepoy Gajjan Singh of Pancharanda village in Ropar (all three from Punjab), besides Sepoy Saraj Singh of Shahjahanpur in Uttar Pradesh, and Sepoy Vaisakh H of Kerala’s Kollam district.
The security forces were yet to determine where the militants came from, sources said. The encounter site is almost equidistant from not just Rajouri and Poonch but also Shopian.
The group that had infiltrated across the LoC in August, and was believed to be headed for Shopian, had been intercepted by police and security forces in the Pangai area. Two of the militants were subsequently killed on August 6 and another on August 19.
Officials said they had been tipped off about the presence of militants at Dehra Ki Gali in Poonch and hence launched the operation Sunday night from two sides — Poonch’s Buffliaz and Rajouri’s Thanamandi. The deceased soldiers were part of one of the advance search parties, who came under attack while making their way through a forest.
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Gautam

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/nia- ... 211013.htm
NIA arrests 4 terror associates, carries out 16 raids in J-K
Source: PTI, October 13, 2021
The National Investigation Agency has arrested four terror associates during searches at 16 locations in Jammu and Kashmir following the registration of a case to unearth a conspiracy hatched by various terror groups to carry out attacks in the Union territory and other major cities, including New Delhi, an official said on Wednesday.
The National Investigation Agency had registered the case on October 10 and initiated an investigation.
Four accused people -- Waseem Ahmad Sofi, Tariq Ahmad Dar, Bilal Ahmad Mir alias Bilal Fafu and Tariq Ahmad Bafanda, all residents of Srinagar -- were arrested during the searches carried out in Srinagar, Pulwama and Shopian districts on Tuesday, a spokesperson of the NIA said.
The NIA said preliminary investigation has revealed that the arrested accused people are terror associates or over ground workers of various proscribed terrorist organisations and have been providing logistical and material support to terrorists and facilitating them in their nefarious designs.
”During the searches conducted yesterday (Tuesday), several electronic devices, incriminating jihadi (holy war) documents and records of suspicious financial transactions were seized,” the spokesperson said.
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Gautam

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/j-k/v ... gar-325463

Vendor shot at by militants in Srinagar

In yet another incident targeting civilians, militants on Saturday shot at a non-local vendor in Eidgah area of Srinagar in Jammu and Kashmir, police said.

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/jk-govt- ... a-teacher/
J&K Separatist Syed Ali Shah Geelani’s Grandson Sacked From Government Job
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Anees-Ul-Islam was appointed research officer in Sher-i-Kashmir International Conference Centre or SKICC under Jammu and Kashmir Tourism department in 2016 when People’s Democratic Party leader Mehbooba Mufti was the Chief Minister.
Just few months before getting the government job, however, Anees-Ul-Islam had gone to Pakistan and met with Colonel Yasir of the Pakistani spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI on the behest of his grandfather, sources have said.
“It is learnt that there was pressure from top echelon in the government to appoint Anees and the whole recruitment process was manipulated,” said a person with direct knowledge of the matter, asking not to be identified.
Anees-Ul-Islam also allegedly helped some people in flying drones in and around Srinagar to film protests and shared the footage with Pakistan’s ISI
“His appointment was found to be highly irregular… It is suspected that the appointment straightaway to a gazetted grade equivalent position in the government-funded and controlled SKICC was a deal to bring down violence during the Burhan Wani agitation between the then Chief Minister and Geelani,” the source said, referring to the protests after Hizbul Mujahideen terrorist Burhan Wani was shot dead by security forces in 2016.

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/non-loca ... n-kashmir/
Two Non-local vendor shot dead by terrorists in J&K’s Srinagar and Pulwama

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Arvind Kumar Sah (30), a resident of the Banka area in Bihar, was shot at by the ultras outside a park at Eidgah in Srinagar in the evening, a police official said.

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In another incident, terrorists fired at and critically injured Saghir Ahmad, a carpenter hailing from Uttar Pradesh, in Pulwama district, the official said.
Ahmad succumbed to injuries in a hospital, he added.

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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/mass ... 211016.htm
2 jawans, JCO killed amid massive search ops to hunt ultras in J-K forests
PTI, October 16, 2021
Two more soldiers, including a Junior Commissioned Officer (JCO), were killed as the massive search operation to track down terrorists continued for the sixth day in the forest areas of Jammu and Kashmir's twin border districts of Poonch and Rajouri on Saturday, officials said.
With the latest killings, a total of nine Army personnel, including two JCOs, have laid down their lives in the ongoing counter-insurgency operation that began in Surankote forests of Poonch on Monday and later spread to nearby Thanamandi in Rajouri and Mendhar in Poonch.
The officials said bodies of the JCO and the soldier were recovered near the scene of Thursday's gunfight with terrorists in the Nar Khas forest in Mendhar, taking the number of Army personnel killed in the operation to four. Riflemen Vikram Singh Negi and Yogambar Singh, both from Uttarakhand, were confirmed dead earlier.
A defence spokesman identified the JCO as Ajay Singh and another soldier as Naik Harendra Singh and said they were part of search operations launched by the security forces to flush out terrorists hiding in the densely forested area on Thursday.
"After a fierce firefight with terrorists, the communication with the two soldiers was disrupted. Relentless operations continued to neutralise the terrorists and to reestablish communication with them," the spokesman said.
Earlier on October 11, five Army personnel, including a Junior Commissioned Officer (JCO), were killed when terrorists attacked a search party in Poonch's Surankote forest. There was another exchange of fire between the Army's search parties and the fleeing terrorists in the adjoining Thanamandi forest in Rajouri the same day but the ultras managed their escape.
"The presence of terrorists in the forest area connecting Poonch and Rajouri was observed two and a half months ago and accordingly tactical operations were launched to track them down," Deputy Inspector General of Police, Rajouri-Poonch range, Vivek Gupta told reporters. He said the area is mountainous and the forest is dense, which makes the operation difficult and dangerous.
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Gautam

Is it Kargil-2, losing 2 JCO and 5 Bravehearts are a group of terrorists is not possible. there are indications of large scale infiltration on the border.

Om shanti! Very sad indeed, the fellows will show their bravery when it’s time to take the revenge.

RKumar wrote:Is it Kargil-2, losing 2 JCO and 5 Bravehearts are a group of terrorists is not possible. there are indications of large scale infiltration on the border.

Om shanti! Very sad indeed, the fellows will show their bravery when it’s time to take the revenge.

Though the loss of any of our security forces is sad, it has to be looked at in a context.
In 2018 (last year before article 370 went) we lost 95 men in J&K (J&K police + Paramilitary + army).
In 2019, it as 78. In 2020, 56 and this year 32 - including the latest loss of 7.

After the killing of civilians, the tempo of COIN operations has been greatly increased. The casualties we might have taken in a month were compressed into a week. Also, the army has taken the greater proportion of casualties in the last 2 years compared to police & CRPF.
It suggests the cities (where the army isn't deployed) are quiet and we are seeking out terrorists in the countryside.

Couple of points:
1. So, we are not done with the ceasefire? What's with that? Looking for a good muhurtam, raahu kalam, etc?
2. As per a Baba in Banaras, there is an encounter going on in Poonch area for the last few days. Pa*i SSG commandoes and Indian troops duking it out. Is this true? I don't see this anywhere else.

la.khan wrote:Couple of points:
1. So, we are not done with the ceasefire? What's with that? Looking for a good muhurtam, raahu kalam, etc?
2. As per a Baba in Banaras, there is an encounter going on in Poonch area for the last few days. Pa*i SSG commandoes and Indian troops duking it out. Is this true? I don't see this anywhere else.

The baba is like a broken clock that's right twice a day.

I don't think the ceasefire is related to what is happening now. The active LOC helped Pak push in infiltrators. They would find it less easy to cross the LOC fence without that covering fire - which is why I think there are fewer reported infiltration attempts during the ceasefire.

The terrorists already inside have likely been pressurized to step up actions. Being the cowards they are, they prefer to attack civilians. Though it sounds cynical, it has helped our narrative. The militants are not simple boys who believe in Kashmiriyat and love cricket, forced to take on army because of atrocities etc, but a Taliban/ISIS type of terrorist, determined to ethnically cleanse all those who oppose their brand of Islam (latest victim is Muslim). My sense is that the army has gone all out to eliminate them and other suspects and have paid a price for it. In an ideal situation they might have liked to spend more time on recce, or getting intel before an operation, but situations are never ideal.

How can a single band of terrorist engage a CI hardened IA for straight 7 days ? Loosing men can be a misfortune of bad luck - but how can same band of terrorists fight for straight 7 days while being chased by a large force ?? I am at the ends of my wits to understand what kind of supermen are we fighting ?? The other simpler and more plausible explanation is that we are fighting a well supplied force where men are being rotated in and out - else dug in such a manner that it is a PA incursion.

You are assuming it is a single group. The forest covers the LoC so it is very much possible, more yahoos are coming across from PoK.

nam wrote:You are assuming it is a single group. The forest covers the LoC so it is very much possible, more yahoos are coming across from PoK.

Being resupplied and replenished while an ongoing live battle in my opinion qualifies as incursion into our country.
Yahoos may also be receiving CasEvac and medical treatment - silence on any estimation of how many Yahoos killed maybe an indication of that.
So all in all - this is PA entering Indian territory and kiling our jawans. I hope the wrath of Rudra is unleashed.

Look at this AP snippet, equating rampaging Islamic mobs with Hindus protesting for their lives and property. Typical of the local Canadian paper to report it like this. No mention of attack on ISKCON/Hare Krishna temple.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/asia ... adesh.html

DHAKA, Bangladesh (AP) — Protests erupted for a second day in Bangladesh’s capital on Saturday, amid a wave of violence against local Hindus following a viral social media image perceived as insulting to the country’s Muslim majority.

Some 10,000 protesters — many of them carrying banners of Islamist political parties — took to the streets outside the main mosque of the capital, Dhaka, a day after demonstrations on the same site ended in clashes with police.

The crowd chanted “Down with the enemies of the Islam” and “Hang the culprits”.

Photos showing a copy of the Quran —Islam’s holy book—at the feet of a statue in a Hindu temple in the eastern district of Cumilla triggered the protests and incidents of vandalism at Hindu temples across Bangladesh.

“We ask the government to arrest those who defamed the Quran by putting it at the feet of an idol in Cumilla,” Mosaddek Billah Al Madani, president of Bangladesh’s Islami Movement. He added that protesters demanded “the death sentence” for those responsible for the images.

Separately, in a nearby intersection about 1,000 Hindus protested the attacks on temples and the killing of two Hindu devotees in another district where several temples were vandalized by Muslim mobs.

Larry Walker wrote:How can a single band of terrorist engage a CI hardened IA for straight 7 days ? Loosing men can be a misfortune of bad luck - but how can same band of terrorists fight for straight 7 days while being chased by a large force ?? I am at the ends of my wits to understand what kind of supermen are we fighting ?? The other simpler and more plausible explanation is that we are fighting a well supplied force where men are being rotated in and out - else dug in such a manner that it is a PA incursion.

this is the terrain that the IA is fighting in

Sadly, the attacking forces will always have more casualities




Security forces at Surankote in Poonch. (PTI)

What is with our retired officers I wonder. Why is it they are so keen on second guessing the very fraternity they are a part of ?

https://twitter.com/LtColAnilDuhoon/sta ... _&ref_url=

chetak wrote:

Larry Walker wrote:How can a single band of terrorist engage a CI hardened IA for straight 7 days ?

this is the terrain that the IA is fighting in

It's because of the old-fashioned gentlemanly CI tactics adopted by IA. Surround, engage, negotiate, tire out the terrorists, send in pizzas, make them see sense and repent, bring in their abba/ammis, fire a few shots....deal with the community at large as if this was another misguided attempt by jobless youth. Promise them government jobs.

Next time, try immediately surrounding the encounter area, use helicopter gunships and blast the area, demolish the buildings and move on. File criminal charges against homeowners for not reporting the terrorists. File sedition charges on the parents for not reporting their missing sons.

Over and done in 30 minutes. Send a strong and determined message to the terrorists' handlers across the LOC.

anupmisra wrote:

chetak wrote:this is the terrain that the IA is fighting in

It's because of the old-fashioned gentlemanly CI tactics adopted by IA. Surround, engage, negotiate, tire out the terrorists, send in pizzas, make them see sense and repent, bring in their abba/ammis, fire a few shots....deal with the community at large as if this was another misguided attempt by jobless youth. Promise them government jobs.

Next time, try immediately surrounding the encounter area, use helicopter gunships and blast the area, demolish the buildings and move on. File criminal charges against homeowners for not reporting the terrorists. File sedition charges on the parents for not reporting their missing sons.

Over and done in 30 minutes. Send a strong and determined message to the terrorists' handlers across the LOC.

that would be an escalation which would be very difficult to walk back because the pakis would also react immediately and, on the Indian border, they have been wanting to do so for the longest time.

That is why the gunship option has not been used so far

Buildings are quite often demolished to minimize IA casualities.

Ambar wrote:What is with our retired officers I wonder. Why is it they are so keen on second guessing the very fraternity they are a part of ?

https://twitter.com/LtColAnilDuhoon/sta ... _&ref_url=

many of these guys are wokes with their own axes to grind

there are plenty of them around.

just disregard.

@Chetak: are you saying that the Pakis are in a stronger position, and would dominate any escalation ? If anything, this deescalation by our side (ceasefire, etc) has only served to benefit the Pakis

ramdas wrote:@Chetak: are you saying that the Pakis are in a stronger position, and would dominate any escalation ? If anything, this deescalation by our side (ceasefire, etc) has only served to benefit the Pakis

they would immediately deploy stinger type weapons on the border.

They too have a good amount of unarmed helo operations on their side, just like we do.

to misuse an idiom, it's best to let such sleeping dogs lie

chetak wrote:that would be an escalation which would be very difficult to walk back because the pakis would also react immediately and, on the Indian border, they have been wanting to do so for the longest time.

Please explain how this suggested course of action would cause an "escalation" (of what and by whom) if the pakis "react" immediately? Will the pakis cause that escalation? What have they been doing so far? Taking on a cautious, people friendly approach?

Come on Chetak. You are highly experienced and well versed in these things.

Recall how the Punjab insurgency by the khalistanis was brutally eliminated, once and for all? That's the right approach. These paki terrorists killed two more civilians today. These are talibanis you are dealing with. Do you want Kashmir to become another Punjab?

chetak wrote:they would immediately deploy stinger type weapons on the border....to misuse an idiom, it's best to let such sleeping dogs lie

Seriously? I hope you are joking and this was a mix of sarcasm and jest.

So we know the forest where they are. why don’t we use TI from Apaches or Rudra to smoke them out. Or is it the same our boys and operations book that CI jarnails use even today? Sometimes I wish our generals went to whatever academy Putin went to and smoked out the Chechens. This is a good practice for recce SAR but we will still do it door to door tree by tree!! No wonder Nato would love us in Afghanistan.

And we talk about our jungles. Please they are not the Taiga in Siberia unreachable and almost alien. If these sh*t bakis can hide in the jungles then they are just shrubs. I don’t know what IA practices for. Plenty of sunshine during the day not deathly cold winds and we are following the manual. Imagine now they have a dirty bomb with them. What will IA do? 7 day pradikshina?

chetak wrote:it's best to let such sleeping dogs lie

Let's not disturb the status quo?

So, a couple of IA personnel and a half dozen non-local civilians per day is an acceptable loss factor? I respectfully disagree with you. Our (American) response to such terror attacks on our people anywhere in the world is swift and retributive.

Reminds me of our pacifist medieval Hindu/Sanatami forefathers' response to attacks by the marauding islamist hordes from the west. They kept attacking every year to loot, plunder. rape and kidnap, and our ancestors did not want to "wake up the sleeping dog"?

This is probably not the platform to engage in such testy discussions. Perhaps a new thread to discuss and debate India's response to paki-sponsored terrorism?

S_Madhukar wrote:...and we are following the manual. Imagine now they have a dirty bomb with them. What will IA do? 7 day pradikshina?

This manual was probably written in the days of chacha Nehru and Krishna Menon. Today's modus operandi: bring in the aged parents of the terrorists and offer them goberment jobs. That should make the holed up terrorists see sense. After all, a teacher's son will never ever think of attacking the IA. Right? After all, Arfa Khanum should not be peeved.

S_Madhukar wrote:So we know the forest where they are. why don’t we use TI from Apaches or Rudra to smoke them out. Or is it the same our boys and operations book that CI jarnails use even today? Sometimes I wish our generals went to whatever academy Putin went to and smoked out the Chechens. This is a good practice for recce SAR but we will still do it door to door tree by tree!! No wonder Nato would love us in Afghanistan.

Our Lt Colonels and Generals retire and do politics on twitter while running down our military, questioning its actions, planting doubts and gushing over Chinese and Pakis . No one asks why we continue to take such casualties when we are basically fighting on our home turf. Its not the brave soldiers or the junior officers but our politicians, babus and senior officers who are to blame. Hate to say but the chinese way is the right way, they methodically and ruthlessly de-populated Xinjiang, Tibet and Nei Menggu (inner mongolia). There are four districts deep within the valley that have contributed to the maximum number of terror attacks - Shopian, Kupwara, Pulwama and Budgam, the population from these districts should have been pushed out a long time ago. Kashmir will not be peaceful until you take the "jihadi kashmiriyat" out of it.

anupmisra wrote:

chetak wrote:they would immediately deploy stinger type weapons on the border....to misuse an idiom, it's best to let such sleeping dogs lie

Seriously? I hope you are joking and this was a mix of sarcasm and jest.

Sirji,

It is not in our interest to escalate in this specific way. The pakis also have the same concerns but then, they also have better options, as compared to us

during the congi times, the IA was used to responding caliber for caliber.

They don't do that these days. They throw the kitchen sink at them.

our vulnerable cheetahs do not have much of a defensive suite to protect themselves. Why needlessly risk other valuable air assets and crews.

the pakis can easily send shoulder launched munitions across the border, pay some nanha cashmeri/afghan/xxxstan mujahid to lie low in some cave, eating almonds and raisins and jerking off while waiting for the chance to take out a helo.

Eventually, he will get one and probably die in the process but there are plenty more like him waiting for the chance at their 72.

we just don't have such an option.

there may be a lot of things that the DGMOs talk about that are not publicly known.

All one can say is that, so far, neither side has used this particular option.

that's why I said: "it's best to let such sleeping dogs lie"

anupmisra wrote:

chetak wrote:it's best to let such sleeping dogs lie

Let's not disturb the status quo?

So, a couple of IA personnel and a half dozen non-local civilians per day is an acceptable loss factor? I respectfully disagree with you. Our (American) response to such terror attacks on our people anywhere in the world is swift and retributive.

Reminds me of our pacifist medieval Hindu/Sanatami forefathers' response to attacks by the marauding islamist hordes from the west. They kept attacking every year to loot, plunder. rape and kidnap, and our ancestors did not want to "wake up the sleeping dog"?

This is probably not the platform to engage in such testy discussions. Perhaps a new thread to discuss and debate India's response to paki-sponsored terrorism?

this is a cheeni driven pressure tactic to push Modi to do something rash.

xi has got his little testimonials caught in a large rusty vice, beset as he is, with a bleak outlook, both internally and externally.

xi understands aukus a lot better than we do because it has him directly in the crosshairs.

He also, very badly, needs India to make a misstep.

the pakis are not doing so great themselves as their taliban plan is rapidly tanking and the psychotic taliban are getting restless (sound of cocking guns).

The amerikis have oiled up their das glied (pardon my german) and are zeroing in on the niazi/bajwa nethers.

Gora aid is available via the EU, but only if it directly flows to the afghan aam abdool and ayesha and it also has massive strings attached to it which neither the pakis nor the taliban is keen to agree to.

The American CI template is best left to the Americans to follow. Having ceded power to the same people they threw out 20 years ago, it's hardly some gold standard that we have to follow. The IA knows what it's doing, no point second guessing their approach. Keep in mind that at no point in the last three decades was IA's position in J&K as precarious as that of the Americans' in Afg, so they must be doing something right.

We are ever ready to criticize retired soldiers for tweeting and second guessing, but ironically don't have any qualms in doing so ourselves. At least the retired IA types did serve, we are mostly just armchair warriors.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/jk ... id/1834864
J&K: 3 detained for questioning as search operations enter day 7 in Poonch-Rajouri forests
It was a matter of investigation whether they provided food and shelter to the terrorists voluntarily or at gunpoint, officials said
Our Bureau, PTI, Jammu,17.10.21
Three persons, including a mother-son duo, were detained for questioning during an ongoing search operation in the forest belt of Jammu and Kashmir's Poonch and Rajouri border districts where nine soldiers were killed in two separate gunfights with terrorists over the past week, officials said on Sunday. Five Army personnel, including a junior commissioned officer (JCO), laid down their lives in a fierce gunfight during a counter-insurgency operation in Surankote forest on Monday. Four soldiers, including another JCO, died in another encounter in the Mendhar sector on Thursday evening.
A man along with a 45-year-old woman and her son, all residents of Bhatta Durrian forest, were taken into custody for questioning on the suspicion of giving logistic support to terrorists, the officials said. It was a matter of investigation whether they provided food and shelter to the terrorists voluntarily or at gunpoint, they said.
The officials underlined that the area is mountainous and the forest is dense, which makes the operation difficult and dangerous.
So far, contact with hiding terrorists was established thrice -- first on October 11 in Poonch's Surankote which was followed by another exchange of fire between the security forces and the fleeing terrorists in the adjoining Thanamandi forest in Rajouri district the same day but the ultras managed their escape in both the encounters.The third encounter took place in the Nar Khas forest in the Mendhar area of Poonch on Thursday evening.
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Gautam

It is strange to see that even the old timer posters here are not mentioning how encounters and targeted murders like these used to be a lot more common. Pickup archives of local papers like Daily Excelsior from early 90s till 2010. There were almost always news of atleast one incident daily. Most of this news never made it in mainstream media unlike now. The number of such incidents has been dropping fast and we had gotten used to all clear attitude.

These targeted killings of non-muslims is the lowest hanging fruit and unless you really put an unoiled danda up asses of locals like it was done in early days, it will not stop. Regular tourists, pilgrims and other Hindus have always been easiest to hit, ever since terrorism started.
One costly option is erecting a a checkpoint on every street corner, like it was in early days. Only other option is putting the fear of bullet and a few nights in a dark chamber in mind of locals. It is also the only language these people understand. Make an example of a few miscreants, underground and over-ground workers alike and rest will fall in line. In 90s, the terrorists used to hand over 1-2 grenades to local youth to just lob them on unsuspecting security personnel and run away.
Nearly the same thing is happening now.

Encounters like the one in Punch have occurred in past, though the duration and causalities are hard to digest. No Paki terrorist is so well trained and terrain can help only so much. Local terrorists are even more pathetic in terms of tactics. Must be just extraordinarily unlucky chain of events or gross incompetence at ground level.

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/kash ... 211017.htm
Kashmiri youth 'rescued' from IS dragnet ends in jail
By Sumir Kaul, October 17, 2021
After being rescued from the clutches of banned Islamic State terror group from Turkey in 2017, Afshan Parvez has been found to be a sleeper cell of a terror module in Jammu and Kashmir that is promoting the armed crusade against the sovereignty of the country, officials in Srinagar said on Sunday.
Parvez, a resident of the downtown area in Khanyar, was 21 when he was rescued from Ankara, after his parents claimed he had been misguided by some people to join the terror ranks. And, showing a humane face, a young officer from the J&K police tied all the loose ends and brought him back to India.
But after remaining dormant for sometimes after his return from Ankara, Parvez, now 25, was again seen active but in a different way as he was using mobile phones of unsuspecting people to carry forward his agenda at the behest of the banned terror group, according to officials.
Suspicions against Parvez grew when intelligence agencies, while probing a terror case of Ahmed Nagar in Kashmir last year, noticed a voice sample and writings on a web magazine 'Voice of Hind' that supported the Islamic State propaganda.
An intense probe showed that a virtual private network was accessed from the same general area and the piece was uploaded, giving a handle to security agencies to at least call him for routine questioning to the police station, the officials said.
The National Investigating Agency, acting on the intelligence inputs provided by the state and central agencies, arrested Parvez earlier this month along with two others identified as Tawheed Latief and Suhail Ahmad.
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Gautam

Wasn’t Surankote the area a decade or so ago where apparently IAF gunships had to be used to smoke out a massive terrorists base. My issue is if we want to carry on peaceful CI then at least by now we should have had dedicated drone or satellite reconnaissance available before our buys got ambushed. When are we going to use these gold plated equipment if not now? Again I imagine there will be IAF/IA turf wars for such operations. When did our retired generals in office demand or plan for such operations and change in doctrine ? All ok to mouth when they are retired and have their pensions secured. At this rate even our SF is just glorified CI instead of using them for the purposes they are trained for. Scenarios like these are when all our tech and doctrines have to be synergised but I see the same old. We learn in decades not months. If we claim to be a great CI force training and sharing lessons with other forces then sorry to say they will say in our face oh you chaps are amazing and behind our back snigger as we don’t use all assets to save our boys. Soon our satellite and drones will be out of date and we will carry on with the “manual “

jamwal wrote:Only other option is putting the fear of bullet and a few nights in a dark chamber in mind of locals. It is also the only language these people understand. Make an example of a few miscreants, underground and over-ground workers alike and rest will fall in line.

That's it. Try it out a couple of times and see if it works.

chetak wrote:this is a cheeni driven pressure tactic to push Modi to do something rash.

If you are worried about what the chini commies will say, then your fear is misplaced. If XiT wants Modi to do something rash like smoke out the terrorists, then do it. Play the game. Stare down the chinis. If it is a game of chicken, dont blink.

XiT will be last one to complain or moan - he has more than his testimonials in the fryer.

In the seven days of encounter at Poonch, <admin note> drivel ..... </admin note>

^^ I think you need to take a chill pill and stop this backseat driving. Your repeated "IA is bad, does not know anything, khan is awesome" type of posts is getting boring beyond a point, and offers no value to the forum.

chetak wrote:

Ambar wrote:What is with our retired officers I wonder. Why is it they are so keen on second guessing the very fraternity they are a part of ?

https://twitter.com/LtColAnilDuhoon/sta ... _&ref_url=

many of these guys are wokes with their own axes to grind

there are plenty of them around.

just disregard.

Just because they dislike BJP, they now pour filth day in and day out on social media over anything and everything. Compared to them, Lt Gen Panag seems almost sane, even though is now a full timer AAP propagandist. There are atleast 10-12 I used to follow on twitter. Take a look at the profiles which follow and agree with them. Nearly all pakis, psuedo-libbies, islamists and sikh supremacists.

anupmisra wrote:

jamwal wrote:Only other option is putting the fear of bullet and a few nights in a dark chamber in mind of locals. It is also the only language these people understand. Make an example of a few miscreants, underground and over-ground workers alike and rest will fall in line.

That's it. Try it out a couple of times and see if it works.

It has been done with good results from BSF deployment days. The past 3-4 years of peace are a result of a lot of on ground action which mostly goes unnoticed.