Managing Chinese Threat

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Sep 2013 20:01

Indian leaders may be vary of post '62 war effects about Nehru not doing anything till Chinese build up all over came to war. Nehru was then heart-broken only for fellow countrymen to be doubly worried.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Sep 2013 21:34

MMS will also get heart broken and get similar sympathy form idiots.

Thrity years later a geriatric Rahul Baba will also be similarly heart borken after loosing the rest of the Kashmir to China which will gift it to TSP if it still exists.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 06 Sep 2013 01:48

A real firing war is the only way to settle the issue. Just jostling and pushing back intruders as we saw in a widely reported video a few weeks back and exchanging cigarettes and beer at the border does not inspire any confidence.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 06 Sep 2013 02:07

^^jostling is a start to recovering lost territory an inch at a time
It appears that Indian troops were told not to patrol by the government. Something is seriously wrong. In a normal country these people would have been in deep shit

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 06 Sep 2013 02:11

Bade Ji, if the firing has to start, it better be preceded with a changed/ altered stance on TIbet, Kailash-Mansarover and recognition of the Tibetan Govt in Exile as the legitimate one in India's view. That is very important than just firing a few bullets. This is not about 650 sq km. This is about 2.5 million sq km and hundreds of thousands more, vital waters and very importantly about Dharmic consolidation and build up to ensure victory..

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 06 Sep 2013 02:22

^^^ That is not happening with this government. Let us start with what we recently lost

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 06 Sep 2013 02:26

^^ Even that is not going to happen with this Govt..And a fighting war has almost ZERO meaning without a change in Tibets' and KMs stance from GoI.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 06 Sep 2013 02:43

Somewhere maybe it was S Saran's or SS Menon's articles I recall reading about the Indian position being in brief that populated areas on either side are non-negotiable. This has to do with Tawang I guess. But what is left unsaid is about unpopulated areas. We seem to value people (settlements) more than land unlike PRC.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 06 Sep 2013 04:13

Even JLN, ABv obvious pappi jhappi capitulation to the Chinese aggression of Tibet was basically on 2 conditions. No problems at the border and Tibetans live as they like and frame their rules basically. This was an intrinsic understanding that is sacrosanct to Indian people. That has been betrayed enough by the Chinese and revoking our understanding and recognizing that Chinese have aggressed in no way will undermine the higher principles that were initially evoked as 'appeasement'. It is of UTMOST importance that the Chinese be told they have no locus standii in Aksai Chin or Tibet for that matter. We are willing to discuss the border...but that is on the Northern and Eastern fringes of Tibet with the Tibetan Prime Minister in Exile presently at Dharamsala. We must tell them this softly..without raising our voices..looking into their eyes. And yes keep the powder dry, fleets of Malacca ready. NO shots required as of now except this one.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 06 Sep 2013 04:59

^^^ Yeah OK. I bet congress and co are taking notes and will follow through. Sorry to be snarky but we need to get back what we have lost just now and irrespective of big ideals, we need a tactical approach where we have to coerce our government to act.
The only thing that will work is if we can spread the news to the masses.

Interesting how the most corrupt government is the most giving and high ground when it comes to our borders

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Sep 2013 13:32

Nothing to Conceal on Issue of Chinese Incursion - Kamal Nath - Economic Times

The government today said it has nothing to conceal on the issue of Chinese incursion even as BJP accused it of "weak response".

"Defence Minister ( A K Antony) will be making a statement in the House on the press reports about Chinese intrusion, occupation of Indian territories. In Lok Sabha he will do it at 1 PM and in Rajya Sabha at 3 PM," Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kamal Nath told reporters outside Parliament House.

"The government has nothing to hide, nothing to conceal. This is a matter of national interest, national importance. Everything will be made clear. As and when it is required we will discuss it," he said.

BJP leader Prakash Javadekar attacked the government saying that it may maintain that nothing has happened but reports emanating from the border and the account by eyewitnesses say that "Indian Army is being prohibited from patrolling in areas inside the Line of Control on the Indian side".

"The situation on China border and reports from China border are very disturbing. We and the whole country are concerned about what is happening on the border....

"We can definitely resolve the issue. But there has to be a political will and a preparedness by the government. But there is a complete lack of will. I fail to understand why the government is adopting such a weak response towards China," Javadekar said.

He referred to the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Russia to attend the G-20 summit, where the Chinese leadership is also present, and asked, "Whether the Prime Minister will talk to the Chinese Prime Minister or not. Why he is not talking to the Chinese leader and calling a spade a spade. We demand that the Prime Minister must talk to his Chinese counterpart."

The BJP leader said that his party will raise the issue in Parliament and that he will also write to the Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee on Defence to take up these issues on priority basis.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 06 Sep 2013 16:10

vic wrote:The best thing would be to use imported C-17s to land imported T-90s firing imported reflecks missile on Sissy Chinese border patrols who only are capable of using low tech Chinese roads.

I have a better idea - we can make their top political and military leadership read your posts and they'll all commit suicide.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Sep 2013 18:38

No Question of Ceding Any Part of India to China: Antony - New Indian Express

Rubbishing reports that China has occupied Indian territory in Ladakh, Defence Minister A K Antony on Friday asserted that there is no question of ceding any part of the country and all steps are being taken to safeguard national security.

His statement in Lok Sabha came amidst attack by opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and UPA ally Samajwadi Party members, who said a high-level committee of the government had reported that China had occupied 640 sq km of Indian territory in Ladakh sector.

The members were not satisfied with Antony's statement and created uproar. While BJP members were on their feet, SP members trooped into the Well, creating din which led Speaker Meira Kumar to adjourn the House for an hour.

Antony said National Security Advisory Board chairman Shyam Saran had visited Ladakh from August 2 to 9 and submitted a report on the border infrastructure there.

"I would like to categorically state that Saran has not stated in his report that China has occupied, or has denied access to India to any part of Indian territory. I would like to assure the House that there is no question of India ceding to China any part of Indian territory," Antony said.

He said the Government has taken "all necessary measures to safeguard India's security and would continue to strengthen our capabilities in border areas to protect our national interest."

The report by Saran, Antony said, focuses on border infrastructure but also deals with several aspects relating to the region covering a broad spectrum of activities and requirements.

He said Saran's report also deals with requirement of air facilities in Ladakh region along with matters relating to land acquisition and environmental and wildlife clearances.

"The report reviews the progress in development of border infrastructure required to ensure connectivity between Ladakh and neighbouring areas. In this context, issues such as availability of modern machinery for construction and maintenance and upgradation of roads, tunneling and alternate alignments," Antony said.

"Matters such as employment opportunities to local youth, tourism, mobile and internet connectivity, law and order, better equipment and facilities for ITBP, certain grievances of local people, among others have been covered in the report," he said.

Immediately after Antony read out the statement, SP members trooped into the Well and BJP members were on their feet in protest, terming the contents as "incorrect".

The Speaker repeatedly told the agitated members that a discussion could be held if they gave proper notice. "I have to follow the rules and the rules say there will be no discussion."

In the din, BJP leader Yashwant Sinha and SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav tried to say something but could not be heard. As the protests continued, Kumar adjourned the House for over an hour.

Earlier, Sinha while demanding a statement on the issue said, "This is a serious matter of national security. We had demanded that the Defence Minister make a statement on the Chinese incursions."

The SP chief also expressed concern over the issue and charged the government with being "coward" and "good for nothing".

"For last 14 years, I have been saying inside and outside Parliament that China will attack India. It had betrayed Jawaharlal Nehru and this shock had led to his death. You discuss the issue of border security and we will be satisfied and not raise economic and price rise issues," he said.

vic · Post by **vic** » 07 Sep 2013 21:34

Thereafter import lobby will make money by demanding imported coffins for dead leaders. In fact, am afraid most of Chinese leaders may have already died due to incessant laugher caused reading the idiotic pretext for imports thought up by import lobby.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Sep 2013 05:17

India's 35 New Border Posts are Provocative: Chinese Expert - PTI, Business Line

India’s plan to set up 35 new border posts along the Sino-Indian border has sparked off concerns in China, with a Chinese expert at an influential think-tank here terming the move as “provocative” that may trigger a new round of tension.

“The establishment of new border posts is a sensitive issue. China-India border war in 1962 was caused by the forward policy initiated by the Jawaharlal Nehru Government,” Liu Zongyi, an expert from Shanghai Institute of International Studies (SIIS), wrote in an article published today in the state-run daily Global Times.

“Now the LAC between China and India is located to the north of the MacMahon Line and the new posts built by India may cross the line, triggering a tense situation in the border area and thus affecting the bilateral friendly cooperation in other fields,” said the article titled ‘Provocative border posts add to tension’

Last month, Indo-Tibetan Border Police outgoing Director General Ajay Chadha had said that 35 new border posts will be created and additional ITBP personnel deployed in a phased manner to bolster security on Sino-India frontier, which has seen a spate of incursions from the Chinese recently.

At present, India has over 150 posts along the border and the paramilitary personnel guard 3,488 kms of the LAC.

Referring to the proposed posts besides periodic reports about incursions by the Chinese troops and speculation about the uncertainty over Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne’s visit to China, Liu said the Indian Government and the media are over reacting to the “border issues”. {Aha . . the Indian reaction is always 'hype' or 'over-reaction', but Chinese reactions are normal}

“Candidly the China-Indian relationship has never been that motivated. Instead, it’s the Indian media and Government that each time over-react to border issues. Another target of criticism by Indian media in recent days is Myanmar, which is accused of alleged incursion in Manipur,” the article said. {Driving the thin end of the wedge as it tried to do during PM's recent visit to Japan}

“There are undefined boundary areas between India and some countries, some of which even don’t have a line of actual control (LAC). Nevertheless, the Indians have an ‘ideal’ boundary in their minds and any other country crossing the line means they are invading India’s territory,” it said.

“India’s hyping of China’s ‘aggression’ on the border comes from its growing upsets and worries. The border issue has become long-delayed and difficult to address and India is seeing an increasing gap with China in comprehensive strength and infrastructure construction along the border,” it said.

Liu’s article followed intense interactions between officials and think-tanks between India and China in recent weeks ahead of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s planned visit to Beijing next month.

Liu also accused India of hyping up China’s “incursions” on the border, “which in fact mirrors the fragility and sensitivity of India’s mentality when dealing with China“.

“It is intended to underline India’s equal status with China in tackling divergences and conflicts between the two and cater to the West. However, India’s narrow-mindedness is harmful to mutual communications and problem-solving,” he said.

Stating that Western countries will play a “small role” in helping India in alleviating pressure of the devaluation of its currency, the article said the proposed $ 100 billion BRICS’ emergency reserve fund many be more helpful.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 10 Sep 2013 08:03

SSridhar wrote:No Question of Ceding Any Part of India to China: Antony - New Indian Express
"I would like to categorically state that Saran has not stated in his report that China has occupied, or has denied access to India to any part of Indian territory. I would like to assure the House that there is no question of India ceding to China any part of Indian territory," Antony said.

This is classical political speak. What's left unsaid is equally important:

Antony only said that Shyam Saran didnt claim China has denied access to India.

Why couldnt Antony categorically state that India has not ceded any territory to China and continues to patrol all areas within its claim line???

He didnt say that because it would have been a lie. It was a lie that could have easily been exposed (all one would have needed to do was get a statement from the Army about patrol limitations). And he didn't want to lie a second time in the Parliament within a month and be caught doing so.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 10 Sep 2013 08:22

Cross posting from Intelligence & Nat Security thread. As I mentioned in the previous post, Antony's statement in the Parliament is a half truth at best. He is, in collusion with the PMO and MEA, once again misleading the nation

Antony chose to ignore vital details of NSAB report in his statement in Lok Sabha

However, Antony did not mention in his statement the part of NSAB report which mentions area denial of 640 sq km to India by the PLA. He also did not mention that patrolling limits becoming de facto LoAC has been mentioned in the NSAB report with inputs from the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP).

Moreover, the defence minister did not mention that the NSAB report has made specific recommendations regarding need for access infrastructure on border. He also forgot to mention that the report has been shared with the Prime Minister's Office (PMO), National Security Advisor (NSA) and the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS).

Antony did not even mention that it was after the NSAB report inputs were shared with the CCS that the Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, who was part of the committee, suggested that a C-130J Super Hercules sortie be mounted to Daulet Beg Oldi (DBO) in Ladakh region at the earliest to raise confidence levels in troops in the area.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/anto ... 05755.html

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 10 Sep 2013 22:47

In the last few weeks I am reaching the conclusion that all India is trying to achieve quickly is strategic parity with China. I think both India and China realize that they have a rather small window between now and when the two countries will have to reconcile their issues. The entire sabre rattling is to ensure one or the other has a slightly higher hand when they come to the table to seal the differences.

I won't be surprised if we see some interesting coalitions being formed in the years to come.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Sep 2013 08:12

And now fake Louvre museum tickets! Is there no limit to the criminal activities of the criminal Chinese intestinal parasites anywhere on the globe? These parasitical species of the Middle Kingdom think nothing of stealing every industrial,financial and military secret that belongs to other nations as it marches on towards its avowed goal of global dictatorship.The French should send the criminal triads to "Madame la Guillotine".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... andal.html

Louvre uncovers fake ticket scandal
The Louvre has been hit by a fake tickets scandal after museum staff spotted Chinese tourists trying to get in using forgeries, leading to the seizure of 4,000 fakes in Belgium

By Henry Samuel, Paris
11 Sep 2013

Suspicions among staff at one of the world's most famous museums were first aroused on August 12 when a guide accompanying a group of Chinese tourists tried to hand in an unusually crinkly ticket.

"To the touch, the ticket had a strange consistency and the general quality of the paper used wasn't good," said a Louvre management source.

"It looked like the ink had spread and hadn't been fixed well during the printing. Orders were given to all security agents on the site to be vigilant," he told Le Parisien newspaper.

Two days later, agents identified several more "suspect" tickets – this time far better quality fakes. "They had series numbers and were identical to our tickets in every way," said the source.

Two Chinese people were arrested on August 19 with a dozen of the forgeries.

During police questioning they provided the name of their supplier, who had already vanished from his Parisian flat when officers arrived.

Then at the end of last month, Belgian customs alerted French authorities that they had seized 4,000 forged tickets hidden in a package sent from China.

"The organiser or organisers of this network haven't been identified but they appear to have acted with the complicity of several Chinese tourist guides," said the Louvre source.

According to the museum, no fresh fakes have been detected since the Belgian haul. "But the entry tickets are valid for a year. We can expect more fakes to pass through in that time," he said.

The forgeries are not the only problem the Louvre has had to face this summer. In June, staff walked out on a one-day protest against rocketing thefts from aggressive pickpockets, mainly gangs of minors from Eastern Europe. The crime rate plummeted after reinforcements were drafted in.

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 15 Sep 2013 21:43

How Washington Should Manage U.S.–Russia–China Relations. --- Heritage foundation dated 13-Sept-2013

One of the so called mortal fears in American strategic community is an alliance of Russia and PRC aimed at American interests. With the Russian preponderance of nuclear weapons and Chinese preponderance of mass of human beings these two countries have the capability to seriously hinder American interests in Europe, Asia and partially in the Pacific. This article is a continuation of such a thought process. Whether there is an alliance or going to be an alliance between Russia and PRC is not clear at this moment. But it's implications are massive.

Till now PRC was an export oriented country. Now it is trying to convert to a domestic driven economy. It's ability to do so depends on many factors. One of which is the ability to tap the Russian far-east and Siberian resources. Siberia and Russian Far-East are two distinct regions. I am just repeating that for clarification.

Russia carried out one of its most massive exercises since the Cold War in the recent past in the Russian Far-east and Siberia. Officially they were targeted against a potential threat of joint American and Japan operation against Russia. There is a historical precedence of such an operation. In the aftermath of the 1917 revolution American and Japan had sent troops right upto Siberia. The Americans were there primarily to assist the transfer of the Czech Legion to Western Europe to continue the fight against Imperial Germany and Austria-Hungarian Empires. Offcourse the operation was known more for the lack of coordination between America and Japan. Also they had divergent aims. Japan was interested in territorial acquisitions Americans in evacuating the Legions. Now Russian manoeuvres could be very easily be sending PRC a message but they can very easily be sending a message to Japan+USA that in case of sino-us conflict Russia can very easily be taking the side of PRC.

Now the article goes over the same arguments again. I will not rehash the arguments over here. But I will highlight certain facts. If Russia goes under the PRC orbit OR allies itself with PRC OR sells Siberia/Far Eastern territories to PRC, like it sold Alaska to USA, then it will be monumental threat to India. In one stroke PRC would envelope India on three sides. Right now all the talk of a two front war have one drawback. PRC assistance to Pakistan is within ranges of our tactical missiles. If any of above mentioned scenarios come true that would no longer be the case. This can even happen if certain central Asian states fall into PRC's orbit.

In the past Russia too faced a rising power on its border. It was Germany. Russia/Soviet Union tried to co-opt this power by providing Weimar Republic the space for its Army to train. It did the same thing with the nazi germany. In both the situations it was the loser. While Germany never had the human capital to invade and occupy Russia, the same cannot be said about PRC. Also as the article correctly pointed out PRC has not stopped calling the treaty which ceded Siberia to Imperial Russia as an unequal treaty.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Sep 2013 06:34

An Indian blog on thinking about PRC:

http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Sep 2013 16:46

China - Japan Ready for Talks on Island Dispute - AP, The Hindu

Chinese government vessels are still intruding into Japanese territorial waters around contested islands, but the door to dialogue with Beijing is always open, Japan’s Prime Minister said Friday.

The Asian powers’ conflicting claims to the remote islands, called Senkaku by Japan and Diaoyu by China, have badly strained relations. China says it, too, is ready to talk, but only if Japan formally acknowledges disputed sovereignty.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Japan would make no concession on sovereignty over the Japanese-administered islands. But he said Japan does not intend to escalate the issue. He emphasised the importance of ties between the world’s second-and third-largest economies.

‘Door open’

“The door to dialogue is always open, and I really hope that the Chinese side will take a similar attitude and have the same mindset,” Mr. Abe told a news conference after attending the annual gathering of world leaders at the United Nations.

The standoff over the islands intensified last September, after Japan’s government bought three of the five unoccupied islands in the chain from a private owner. Japan portrayed the purchase as an attempt to block a proposal from a nationalist politician to buy and develop the islands, but the move deeply angered China, which says the islands have been theirs since ancient times.

That sparked a direct and angry exchange between China and Japan at last year’s General Assembly, but this year, the tone was mild, with brief and indirect references to territorial disputes.

China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi told the world body on Friday that China wants to resolve its territorial and maritime disputes through negotiation with “countries directly involved”.

It also has conflicting claims with Southeast Asian nations in the South China Sea. — AP

Four Chinese coast guard vessels (right) being followed by Japanese coast guard ships near the disputed East China Sea islands earlier in September.— PHOTO: AP

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Oct 2013 11:09

India-China Reiterate Peace on Border is the Basis for Consultations - Ananth krishnan, The Hindu

India and China on Monday concluded two days of consultations on the situation along the disputed border, as a working mechanism for coordination on border affairs — set up last year — held its fourth meeting.

The consultations in the Chinese capital reviewed “recent developments” along the border “especially in the western sector,” a statement issued by the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said.

In April, Indian and Chinese troops were involved in a three-week-long stand-off at Depsang, Ladakh, along the western section of the disputed border. This has been followed, in recent weeks, by several reports of incursions by Chinese troops in the area.

Officials on both sides say there are differing perceptions of where the Line of Actual Control (LAC) runs in the area, with face-offs occurring when troops, which carry out patrols up to their respective claim-lines, meet. However, Indian officials have noticed, over the past few months, increased Chinese patrolling along several points in the western sector.

Following the Depsang stand-off — which was triggered by Chinese troops pitching a tent in a disputed area and subsequently cast a cloud over the May visit of Chinese Premier Li Keqiang to New Delhi — India conveyed to the Chinese leader that bilateral ties, in any field, could not move forward unless both sides ensured a foundation of peace and stability along the border.

Monday’s statement reiterated that message, saying that the “two delegations agreed that peace and tranquillity on the border is the basis for the continued expansion of India-China relations.”

The statement added, “To this end, both sides discussed further measures to maintain stability on the border, building on existing understandings and arrangements.”

The two countries have, in recent months, been discussing a Border Defence Cooperation Agreement, which would look to consolidate and enhance existing arrangements.

Officials expect the agreement to be signed during the scheduled visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to China later this month.

The Indian delegation, during the two days of consultations, included officials from the MEA, Defence and Home Ministries, and members of the Army and Indo-Tibetan Border Police.

The talks were held by Joint Secretary (East Asia) in the MEA Gautam Bambawale, and the Director General of the Chinese Foreign Ministry's Department of Boundary and Oceanic Affairs, Ouyang Yujing.

The Chinese side included officials from the Foreign and Defence Ministries.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Oct 2013 11:50

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China criticises Japan's X-band radar system plan

China has criticized a Japanese plan to install a cutting-edge U.S. missile defense radar system. China's Foreign Ministry says it could harm regional stability and upset the strategic balance.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said, "Some countries or blocs in the region, under the pretext of a DPRK nuclear threat, have unilaterally set up anti-missile systems or are conducting bloc cooperation.

"This is not conducive to nuclear non-proliferation and stability in the region, and will have an extremely negative impact on the global strategic balance."

The governor of Kyoto endorsed the radar plan last week. The X-band radar system would based in the Kyoto region, and would boost Japan’s ability to track and intercept missiles from across the Sea of Japan.

In February, Japan and the U.S. government announced plans to deploy the radar system within the year.

The X-band radar system has a range of up to 4,000 kilometers. It can trace launched missiles and lock the route so that the missiles can be intercepted.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 Oct 2013 11:59

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South Korea puts on show new missiles designed to hit North

(Reuters) - South Korea showed off on Tuesday new missiles designed to target North Korea's artillery and long-range missiles and vowed to boost deterrence against its unpredictable neighbor.

The ballistic Hyeonmu-2, with a range of 300 km (190 miles), and the Hyeonmu-3, a cruise missile with a range of more than 1,000 km (620 miles) were put on public display for the first time in a rare South Korean military parade.

Both of the indigenously developed missiles have been deployed. They were unveiled in February after the North conducted its third nuclear test in defiance of international warnings, two months after it successfully launched a long-range rocket and put an object into space.

"We must build a strong anti-North deterrence until the day the North drops its nuclear arms and makes the right choice for its people and for peace on the Korean peninsula," South Korean President Park Geun-hye said at the parade marking the founding of the South's armed forces 65 years ago.

Visiting U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel watched the parade from a podium at a military airfield south of the capital, Seoul.

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South Korea reached a deal last year with the United States to extend the range of its missiles to better counter the threat from the North, securing the right to develop ballistic missiles with a range of up to 800 km (500 miles).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Oct 2013 08:36

New Delhi Pressurizing Beijing on Brahmaputra - Chinese Scholar - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu

Even as China goes ahead with the construction of four hydropower dams on the Brahmaputra, a Chinese scholar at an influential State-run think-tank has accused the Indian government of attempting to “pressure China” on the issue by seeking “sympathy from the international community.”

Li Zhifei of the National Institute of International Strategy of the influential Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, wrote in a commentary on Tuesday in Global Times , a tabloid published by the People’s Daily known for its hawkish views, that India was looking to “put more pressure on China by exaggerating the facts and drawing attention from the international community, with the intention of preventing China from developing Tibetan water resources”.

He called on China to continue developing the upper and middle reaches of the Brahmaputra or Yarlung Zangbo as it is known in Tibet. “China,” he said, “should firmly resist such remarks and actions, and actively seek to address disputes through following the principles of peaceful negotiation and cooperation.”

He said India’s concerns on the matter – voiced by senior officials at a number of recent top-level dialogues – were hypocritical because India was itself developing the river by building dams in Arunachal Pradesh.

“New Delhi has been critical of China in the upper stream by protesting against this imaginary enemy and trying to gain sympathy and support from the international community, but it has totally disregarded the interests of Bangladesh in the lower reaches through its own exploitative usage,” he said.

“India plans to build reservoirs and canal systems on the Brahmaputra with an intention to transfer ‘surplus’ water to regions with water shortages. Furthermore, India has already set up dozens of hydropower stations in the so-called Arunachal Pradesh, attempting to reinforce its actual control and occupation of the disputed area,” he said, referring to China’s territorial claims on Arunachal.

While Mr. Li appeared to urge Beijing to carry on with its plans to develop the river regardless of any “pressure” from the “international community,” the Chinese government has, in any case, recently signalled that it intends to do so.

Earlier this year, China gave the go-ahead for three new hydropower dams on the middle reaches, ending a two-year halt in approving new projects. The projects were listed in an energy plan released in January, as first reported by The Hindu . China has already begun construction on one 510 MW dam at Zangmu in Tibet.

The issue of managing transboundary rivers is expected to figure during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to China later this month.

Both sides have in place an agreement on sharing hydrological data, which, officials say, allows India to monitor flows. The agreement was renewed during Chinese Premier Li Keqiang’s visit to New Delhi in May.

India is seeking a more robust joint mechanism for more transparency on Chinese plans on proposed projects, with hydropower groups here lobbying the government for dams on at least 28 sites, with only four projects, so far, given the green light.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2013 04:57

China Gives Arunachal Archers Stapled Visas - ToI

The visa row between the two countries returned to haunt two young archers from Arunachal Pradesh as they could not a board a flight to China on Thursday to participate in the Youth World Archery Championship since they were carrying stapled visas.

An Archery Association of India (AAI) official told TOI on Thursday that the two archers — Maselo Mihu and Sorang Yumi — were the only ones in the 30-member contingent to have been issued stapled visas for the event starting in Wuxi on Saturday.

"We had applied for visa for 24 archers and six officials. All of them were given proper visas apart from these two girls. Twenty-eight of them got their visas at 4 pm while we kept waiting to get visas for these two Arunachal Pradesh girls. We got their stapled visas at 6pm. When we asked the embassy officials about it, they said it will do. They told us to ask the girls to keep the stapled visas carefully," AAI official Gunjan Abrol said.

"But when we reached the airport to catch the 11 am flight, the airlines authorities advised us against sending these two girls since they ran the risk of being deported back to India. The girls were bitterly disappointed to find themselves in such a situation for no fault of them. AAI president VK Malhotra is aware of the development and he will take up the matter with the ministry of external affairs on Friday."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2013 06:29

From the above news item, China Gives Arunachal Archers Stapled Visas , one can see a lot of ineptitude with GoI as well as the Archery Association.

The Sports Ministry of GoI must have issued a circular to all sports bodies about the possibility of China denying visas (claiming that the Chinese citizens do not need a visa to visit China) or issuing stapled visas or delaying the return of passports of players/athletes from the state of Arunachal Pradesh participating in events in China. Obviously, they did not alert the sports bodies of such a development, even after so many incidents in the last several years, thus leaving them unsure of what to do.

Secondly, Sports Ministry must have issued a policy decision on how to handle these situations. The ideal is that if any member of Indian contingent is denied visa based on Chinese territorial claims on India, the entire Indian contingent withdraws from participation in protest. Reciprocal Chinese participation in similar Indian events of the same sport should be curtailed in future. The GoI has also not taken any stand like this. There is absolutely no coordinated and concerted Indian foreign policy and it simply drifts. Again, this drift is not peculiar to the incumbent political dispensation alone. This has been a common malaise.

As for the Archery Association, they waited till the very last minute to apply for visas. All Indian sports bodies behave like this while applying for visas. The top brass in AAI must have known of the Chinese behaviour (don't they read newspapers, don't they know what is generally happening around the country ?) and must have alerted the Sports Ministry ahead of time as to what should be their response in such an eventuality. In the end, they received visas just a few hours before the departure and they didn't know what to do. Didn't they have the phone number of one of the secretaries in the Sports Ministry for emergency contact, or these babus are not available after office hours ? They had to seek the advice of the airline in the end. What a way to go.

There is a lack of information visible with the airline as well. The two Arunachal players would not have been denied entry into China. However, no Indian travels on a stapled visa to a Chinese territory. It is for this reason of our own interests that the players should not go. Indeed, the whole team should not have gone.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2013 09:59

Li Rules Out Outside Intervention in South China Sea Discussion - Anita Joshua, The Hindu

Eager to prevent tensions over the South China Sea from snowballing into a full-fledged conflict, the 10-nation Asean on Wednesday agreed to intensify official consultations with China on the development of a Code of Conduct (CoC).

China’s differences with four members of Asean — Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam — over their claims to parts of the South China Sea, and the U.S. “rebalance to Asia” policy has added concerns of the Washington-Beijing competition being played out in these waters.

From the intervention made at this year’s Asean Summit and in the bloc’s meetings with various partner countries, it was evident that the South China Sea tensions— which created a fissure within the grouping at the last summit in Cambodia — remained a common concern .

China and Asean began formal consultations on the CoC after the sixth Asean-China Senior Officials Meeting on the Implementation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DoC) and the 9th ASEAN-China Joint Working Group on the implementation of the DoC in Suzhou last month.

Stability

Stressing the need to uphold peace and stability in East Asia here on Wednesday, Chinese premier Li Keqiang sought to rule out outside intervention in settling the maritime issues. “Territorial and maritime disputes between relevant countries in this region should be resolved by countries concerned through friendly consultation. Countries should work constructively as partners to jointly manage and control tensions and differences,” he said. {All fine talk, but its behaviour is contrary to its professions of peace, friendliness etc. Also, unlike land disputes, maritime disputes have to be settled in accordnce with UNCLOS which China is a party to}

With China beginning to work with Asean in addressing the maritime issues, the remarks are being seen as a message to the U.S. in view of Secretary of State John Kerry’s reiteration that Washington’s “rebalance to Asia” policy is here to stay.

Among the Asean members party to the South China Sea dispute, the Philippines was eager to see the immediate conclusion of the Asean-China CoC to manage ongoing tensions in what it calls the “West Philippine Sea” {Bravo}.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Oct 2013 10:07

Abe addresses ASEAN on security - Yomiuri Shimbun

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Wednesday emphasized his nation’s resolve to contribute even more actively to regional and international peace and stability.

Abe expressed the message at a meeting with leaders of the 10 member states of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.

The Japanese and ASEAN leaders agreed to continue cooperation in a wide range of sectors, including the economy, the environment and the fight against terrorism.

Abe sought ASEAN’s understanding for his efforts to change the government’s interpretation of the Constitution in order to allow Japan to exercise its right to collective self-defense and his work to enable Japan’s participation in U.N.-led collective security measures.

On territorial rows in the South China Sea between China and some ASEAN members, Abe said he is concerned about moves to change the situation by force, adding that the disputes should be resolved based on international law.

Some of the leaders supported Abe’s view on the South China Sea disputes, saying that the rule of law is important, according to sources.

Abe also referred to the issue of the Japanese-controlled Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea, which China claims. He stressed that Japan is responding decisively and calmly to the issue. The door to dialogue is always open, Abe added, suggesting that he aims to hold a meeting with a Chinese leader.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Oct 2013 13:56

China does it yet again,stapling visas for our archers from Ar.Pradesh.As usual,the GOI/MEA are shivering in their jattis,now wanting to annoy the dragom ,but betraying the nation for the umpteenth time.

The Chinese envoy must be given an ultimatum,proper visas within 24 hrs. or be kicked out,but our neutered wonders-in-charge will have to wait for orders from the "High Command"!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 11 Oct 2013 19:41

Hu Jintao indicted for Genocide in Tibet

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 11 Oct 2013 22:37

Why China Wants the Su-35 --- Jamestown foundation China Brief Dated 10-Oct-2013

This article deals with the possibility on what would happen if PLAAF/PLAN would acquire and station the proposed Su-35 fighters in and around Hanin. What is of concern is the map given below

The yellow lines are range in which Su-27 can operate. The dark red lines are operating radius of the proposed su-35 without external fuel tanks. The light red lines represent the operating radius of the Su-35 with two external fuel tanks. Observe how closely the lines go through the Andaman Islands. Add to this the fact that if PRC deploys its ASBM in southern China west of Hanin islands it will make any carrier deployment in Andaman Seas fraught with risk.

This is important because one of the current strategies that India will depend on in case of war with PRC would be a blockade at the entrance of Malacca strait of PRCs shipping, especially its oil & gas. But with these fighters not only PLAAF but also PLAN would have means to counter this blockade. In conjunction with one of the biggest submarine forces on the planet it would be possible for PLAN and PLAAF to thwart any blockade which India would throw around Indo-Pacific meeting points. Note how A&N island chain is some 1200 kms away from peninsular India. This would make these islands very vulnerable to a first strike. Also due to the Asian Tsunami disaster it appears that MoD is making half - baked decisions as far as these islands are concerned. Just like we did not plan for any offensive capability as far as Arunachal is concerned, it appears that MoD is not serious about stationing any significant forces there.

Further some of our oil comes from Russian Far East. In case of conflict with India one of the best places where PLAN and PLAAF would be able to disrupt this oil flow is in South China Sea. We need Project Sea Bird-II in andaman islands. Also these islands are perfect places to position our new boomers. These islands also should be one of the first place where we station our best air defense system including the Prithvi Interceptor missiles. Whether IN and IAF are able to prevail in Western Pacific or not will be directly dependent on how we use and develop these islands.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Oct 2013 08:07

Kurshid's Response on the Archers' Visa Issue - The Hindu

Responding to queries about two archers from Arunachal Pradesh being prevented to travel to China owing to the visas being stapled instead of stamped on their passports, Mr. Khurshid said this “unsavoury and unacceptable” incident was the result of differing perceptions about the boundary and the Line of Actual Control.

Pointing out that this was not the first time this has happened, Mr. Khurshid added that over the years both India and China have come to an understanding that there were many areas of convergence where “we can collaborate, cooperate and move forward,” while addressing contentious issues through the mechanisms already in place.

Not fully versed with the details of this particular case since he has been overseas for the past couple of days, he said: “We regret that these two young archers could not go to China. This has happened before and it has been resolved; sometimes through diplomatic means and sometimes through the passage of time.”

Really a shameful reply, to say the least, from our Foreign Minister. He is a disaster. Somehow, we have been cursed with a succession of such useless occupants of the foreign ministry. If this type of incident has happened before (which is right) and if they have been resolved (which is wrong), then, why are they happening again and again ? And, what is the ministry doing about them ? And, why haven' they issued a circular as to how we should respond in these cases ? Again, what he means by 'resolution with the passage of time' ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Oct 2013 14:46

From Nightwatch for the night of October 13, 2013

China-US: The official Chinese news agency Xinhua published today a signed commentary about the failure of "Pax Americana"

Excerpts follow. "As U.S. politicians of both political parties are still shuffling back and forth between the White House and the Capitol Hill without striking a viable deal to bring normality to the body politic they brag about, it is perhaps a good time for the befuddled world to start considering building a de-Americanized world."

"With its seemingly unrivaled economic and military might, the United States has declared that it has vital national interests to protect in nearly every corner of the globe, and been habituated to meddling in the business of other countries and regions far away from its shores"

"Meanwhile, the U.S. government has gone to all lengths to appear before the world as the one that claims the moral high ground, yet covertly doing things that are as audacious as torturing prisoners of war, slaying civilians in drone attacks, and spying on world leaders".

"Such alarming days when the destinies of others are in the hands of a hypocritical nation have to be terminated, and a new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing. For starters, all nations need to hew to the basic principles of the international law, including respect for sovereignty, and keeping hands off domestic affairs of others"

"Furthermore, the authority of the United Nations in handling global hotspot issues has to be recognized. That means no one has the right to wage any form of military action against others without a UN mandate."

"Apart from that, the world's financial system also has to embrace some substantial reforms."

"What may also be included as a key part of an effective reform is the introduction of a new international reserve currency that is to be created to replace the dominant U.S. dollar, so that the international community could permanently stay away from the spillover of the intensifying domestic political turmoil in the United States."

"Of course, the purpose of promoting these changes is not to completely toss the United States aside, which is also impossible. Rather, it is to encourage Washington to play a much more constructive role in addressing global affairs." "And among all options, it is suggested that the beltway politicians first begin with ending the pernicious impasse."

Comment: A signed commentary published by Xinhua always means that some powerful political faction in Beijing holds the opinions expressed. Alternatively, it can mean that the entire Chinese leadership holds the opinions expressed and is seeking to determine their resonance around the world. This commentary appears to be in the latter case. The article has gone viral. While the Chinese leadership has often criticized the wisdom and self-interests of US policy, it has hesitated to call for a reconstruction of the global system of nations. But that is what this commentary implies. It includes a point-by-point refutation of the pillars of US policy in the past five years. It accuses the US of using the sobriquet of "responsibility to protect" to advance US aspirations for imperialism. The author accuses the US of using the claim of moral high ground to justify illegal detentions, summary executions by drones and torture of prisoners. The author says the so-called "pax Americana" has been the subterfuge to foment instability, American meddling, the start of wars and world-wide chaos justified by lies. No student of Chinese leadership can doubt that the views expressed in the commentary represent the views of the leadership. Particularly galling is the uncertainty of a return on investment from the more than $3 trillion in US bonds that the Chinese hold. Capitalist systems are not supposed to aggravate uncertainty that leads to loss of value even if default is averted. The Chinese resent this byproduct of a democratic system. This is the first time the Chinese have dared to denounce the US-managed international system, to label American policies as failures and to call openly for a restructuring of global politics and economics by reducing the role of the United States and the role of the US dollar as the world reserve medium of exchange and measure of value. The Chinese leaders know that no safer investment exists than the US economy. However, they resent that the value of their investments depends on the vagaries of US politics. They would like to know whether other national leaders share their views and hope to stimulate a conversation about alternative models. They make clear that their aim is to topple the US from its position of leadership, which they judge has become toxic for world business and promotes political instability.

To a large extent, the Chinese commentary is true but China is a much greater danger for us than the US.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 14 Oct 2013 15:02

Really a shameful reply, to say the least, from our Foreign Minister. He is a disaster. Somehow, we have been cursed with a succession of such useless occupants of the foreign ministry. If this type of incident has happened before (which is right) and if they have been resolved (which is wrong), then, why are they happening again and again ? And, what is the ministry doing about them ? And, why haven' they issued a circular as to how we should respond in these cases ? Again, what he means by 'resolution with the passage of time' ?

Actually his take is very honest to the constitution. Our policy requires us to be Dharmically blind. We have put blinkers on our sense of justice. Just in India is blind, not Dharmic. So a just solution on the Indo-Tibetan border involves true flagellation and self negation. These are not India's boundaries by any scheme of things according to the True secularists. I have even come across Seculars that say why not give them Sikkim, ArP and NE. Do they look like us..so what if there is some old cultural similarity, so do you think Ram Ram is better than Allah Allah? Buddhism does not belong to India. India's only problem i corruption. Pakistani's and Indians are same people and handing over JK why not? This is the lot that is threatened by NM's rise. China also knows that with NMs rise a Dharmic consolidation and massive sympathy to the Tibetan cause will emerge in India which may negate gains through border 'mechanisms' made with the 'peace' loving Nehruvian setups. They know their window is limited and hence the border is hot and they would like to get as much in writing from this Govt as possible, making the job of the next PM even more difficult. Meanwhile NM/ Khurshid are thinking they are making progress. In their minds Tibet is Chinese, Shiva is Chinese, Kailash and Mansarover is Chinese, Buddha is Chinese. They will slowly make laws and change discourse so that all these happen eventually if they stay in Power. To them their is no border sanctity, only misperception. With Nehruvian ideology firmly in their veins, Cognitive dissonamnce flows in with any Chinese aggression. Their mindset just is not equipped to cope with that reality. Thus they start mellowing down their own claims to the border and culture and yes their own people. This rootlessness must be rooted out. The nation cannot have a polity based on rootlessness, while our very roots are here on this soil. That is something which ultimately soon we will have to give constitutional parity to.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 Oct 2013 15:09

In that Signed commentary China is promoting the idea of New International Reserve Currency to replace Dollars. All else is Hawa Hawaii. They want renminbi (RMB) as new replacement for Dollars. Indian position is not clear, but I doubt India would accept that.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 14 Oct 2013 15:31

Indian position is less important than the gelf and more importantly the Soodi position. Till the oil trade is linked to the dollar which oil importing country is going to dump the dollar? Will China guarantee the protection of the soodi empire like the US does today if they move away from dollars hanji?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 Oct 2013 16:01

Well I can't talk about them but I know India is importing 90% of its oil requirement and China is not exactly her friend. SO I will worry about us and our position in this regard. btw China holds $1.3T in US bonds etc. So doing that would be impossible for them. They will be left holding worthless papers in their hands.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Oct 2013 19:39

China defends stapled-visa move, but expresses regret to athletes - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu

China on Monday defended its issuing of stapled visas to two Arunachal Pradesh youth athletes, describing its policy as showing “flexibility” to allow travel while the boundary dispute remains unresolved.

The Foreign Ministry said its policy was “consistent and clear cut”, suggesting it would remain in place, even as it expressed “regret” for the two young archers who were stopped at New Delhi airport as they were set to fly to China to participate in youth world championships.

“China’s practice… is a flexible move pending resolution of the boundary question. This shows China’s sincerity and flexibility,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told reporters.

Ms. Hua added, “The two athletes could not come to China for the relevant event. We express our regret, but with regard to this matter our position… on the eastern end of the boundary between China and India is consistent and clear cut. We hope the Indian side can work with the Chinese side and maintain sound momentum of personnel exchanges and cooperation across the board.”

Issuing stapled visas, Ms. Hua said, was “a flexible way” of enabling personnel movement “pending an overall resolution of the boundary question" and showed "the two sides’ commitment and sincerity to uphold peace and stability” in border areas.

India, however, has protested the issuing of stapled visas, seeing the moves as violating its sovereignty. The government has made clear that those issued stapled visas will not be allowed to travel to China.
{In fact, as a protest, the whole archery team should have been withdrawn. There are so many events around the world that our archers participate throughout the year and the loss of one event would not matter}

Last week, two young archers from Arunachal Pradesh, Maselo Mihu and Sorang Yumi, were set to travel to Wuxi, in southern China, for a youth world championship tournament. The only two members of the delegation from Arunachal Pradesh, they were both issued stapled visas, and consequently could not board their flight from New Delhi.

Beijing has been issuing stapled visas to applicants from the State since at least 2010. Before that, the Chinese Embassy did not issue any kind of visa for applicants from Arunachal, citing its territorial claims on the State. China claims around 90,000 square kilometres in the eastern sector of the disputed boundary, while India sees China as occupying at least 38,000 square kilometres in the west. The sixteen rounds of talks over the issue have made little progress, although both sides have committed themselves to maintaining peace and stability in border areas.

Last week’s case, officials say, is unlikely to be the last with China suggesting it will continue with its “clear cut” visa policy for Arunachal residents. Only last year, one student from the State was not allowed to join a 100-member youth delegation to China after she was issued a stapled visa. In 2011, a Karate team was also prevented from boarding a flight in New Delhi.

On Monday, Ms. Hua, the Foreign Ministry spokesperson, said she was not certain if the issue will figure during next week’s visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to China, but added that the boundary question would likely receive significant attention. Dr. Singh is expected to arrive in Beijing on October 22, and is scheduled to hold talks with President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang.

“With regard to the upcoming visit,” Ms. Hua said, “China attaches great importance to it, and we expect that high-level exchanges between the two countries can help maintain sustainable and steady development, and deepen cooperation across the board.”