Telangana Monitor

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 May 2011 01:39

HYDERABAD: Hyderabad's fate has been decided in Kolkata. Manata Banerjee and West Bengal have come in the way of formation of a separate state of Telangana.

Top AICC sources told TOI that the UPA government at the Centre does not want to inflame separatist elements in West Bengal and, therefore, has decided to work out a political and economic package for Telangana.

"There will be no Telangana," the sources said.

The sources revealed that the issue was discussed at length at a party meeting in New Delhi three days ago, which was attended by top leaders including Congress president Sonia Gandhi and AICC general secretary in-charge of AP, Ghulam Nabi Azad.

" Trinamool Congress, an ally of the Congress, has swept to power in West Bengal where a demand for separate Gorkhaland is raging. Any attempt at placating the separate T demand would only make things difficult for Mamata as a similar demand in that state can intensify into a big agitation. We do not want to displease our ally nor herald her tenure with separatist agitations," was the consensus reached at the meeting, the sources said. The number of MPs that Trinamool wins in the next LS polls in 2014 will be crucial for the Congress, so there is no question of displeasing Mamata.

The issue of Second States Reorganisation Commission (SRC), as raised by the UP Congress Committee resolution of May 19, also figured at the meeting.

"The SRC would serve the Congress interests in Uttar Pradesh facing demands for Harit Pradesh and Bundelkhand. It would also help the party keep the lid on the demand for a separate Gorkhaland state in West Bengal," the meeting thus reportedly decided. In other words, a second SRC cannot be ruled out.

But, keeping in view the series of agitations planned by pro-Telangana parties and activists, the high command decided to speed up two packages, one political and the other economic, for the Telangana region.

I do not think there is even a remote chance for Telangana. Congress seems to be moving decisively towards no Telangana.

Azad seeks proof of injustice to Telangana

AICC general secretary and in-charge of state Congress affairs Ghulam Nabi Azad on Tuesday asked Telangana Congress MPs and MLAs to prove their claims that ‘injustice’ had been meted out to the region under Andhra rulers.

Senior Telangana Congress leader and panchayat raj minister K Jana Reddy took the responsibility of submitting a report with evidence to Azad before his departure for New Delhi on Tuesday night. At meetings held separately with the MPs and MLAs at Gandhi Bhavan, the state Congress headquarters, the party’s emissary is learnt to have sought their opinions about the pros and cons if the party’s decision went in favour or against the demand for bifurcation.

The Telangana Congress MPs and MLAs reiterated that there was no alternative to formation of a separate Telangana to fulfil the aspirations of the people of the region. The Telangana Congress MPs have even refused to go along with their counterparts from Andhra and Rayalaseema to meet Azad.

Azad, who had received a representation from the Telangana Congress leaders on Monday, held group-wise meetings with ministers, MPs, MLAs and MLCs on the state’s bifurcation and party’s revitalisation. He assured leaders of both the regions of taking their views to the party high command.

It is learnt that Jana Reddy warned the central leader of a “repeat” of the Kadapa byelection results in Telangana if the Congress failed to act before the local body elections.

“We are not asking for any new thing but only seeking fulfilment of a promise made by the party”, he told Azad. P Prabhakar, Madhu Yashki Goud, G Vivek, K Rajagopal Reddy and others asserted that it was a “now or never” situation for Telangana people and hoped that the Congress leadership would take a decision by June 1. “We have made it clear to Azad that we are least interested in positions like deputy chief minister or PCC president. We just want formation of separate Telangana state. We are going to Delhi on May 19 to meet senior leader Pranab Mukherjee. We are ready for any sacrifice for the cause of Telangana. We will lead the agitation against those who oppose the December 9 declaration,” they warned.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2011 07:29

ramana wrote:TMC win in WB also has its impacts on T state in AP.

I said this on 15 may 2011.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2011 07:50

I good summary of events that led to creation of Andhra Pradesh

Stan_Savljevic wrote:Some fun history will help before dissing on the commies...

While INC had been around since 1885, the Hyderabad state congress was formed only around 1938. And even then it had been banned by the Nizam as being a communal organization. Without any other avenue for popular opinion notwithstanding that we were under brits, the Andhra Mahasabha was the only forum left for people in a broad sense. The Andhra Mahasabha split around 41 or so into the moderate (basically a Congress camp) and the leftist (a Communist camp). The Congress camp went on to form the Nationalist Andhra Mahasabha, which of course merged with the Hyderabad state congress post-Op Polo. The commie camp of the Andhra mahasabha was responsible for organizing village defence squads and retaliation against the Nizam and his Razakars in the then Hyderabad Province.

But some rewinding before this. It is hard to consider Hyderabad while not talking about the Madras Presidency of the pre-53 era. On paper, the Madras Presidency elections in 1946 was won by INC. (CPI got a grand total of two seats iirc.) But in reality, the Congress was a very divided camp: there was a Tamil brahmin segment led by Rajaji and supported by P. Subbarayan (grandfather of the now deceased INC minister Rangarajan Kumaramangalam and father of Gen (retd) P. Kumaramangalam and of course a founding member of Madras Cricket Association which later became the TNCA), a Tamil non-brahmin segment led by K. Kamaraj, then there was the Telugu segment divided into the camps of Andhra Kesari Tanguturi Prakasam and Pattabhi Sitaramaiyya (of the language committee trio), there was also the K. Madhava Menon segment of Malayalis from Malabar. There were also small contingents of non-brahmins from Rayalaseema and the Circars and a chottu segment of Kannadigas. Numerically, the Kamaraj segment was the largest, but the AP contingent was not small either. There was wide resentment between one camp against the other (no language shanguage unity as we might have ideally expected) and what eventually happened was a steady ring-a-ring-a roses of CMs. As usual, Gandhi sided on Rajaji despite Rajaji being a minority even within the Tamil segment. Unlike JLN vs SCB, Rajaji got voted out by the Prakasam and Kamaraj camps. The CM list from this era reads like: Tanguturi Prakasam, Omandoor Ramasami Reddiyar, P. Kumarasami Raja, C. Rajagopalachari, K. Kamaraj. By then, shit had hit the fan and both the Pattabhi Sitaramaiyya and Prakasam camps had realized the futility of sticking around in a united Madras Presidency where they will never get to rule with the game gamed by the Tamil segment depending on the scenario.

Potti Sriramulu's death and the riots that it caused was the final nail in the coffin, but by then Nehru had been convinced by the Prakasam-Sitaramaiyya camp to do linguistic reorganization. Why not? Sitaramaiyya was one of the trio that wrote the Congress report which finally forced everyone to accept the new realities. (In this game, CPI was far ahead as they always believed in and supported "linguistic nationalities" from forming their own communes -- they still do.) With Op Polo winding down and Hyderabad Province freed, the hope was that the Telugu segment of United Madras Presidency Congress would be able to steer the nascent Hyderabad state congress into a ruling coalition. In fact, that is what happened as the newly formed AP was able to have continuous Congress rule for a long time. It was all never a fun ride anyway. Two miscalculations were: i) the rump Madras State (later renamed TN) came under the neo-Justice Partyists, the DMK's clout before it all became a what is now well-known as the Dravida ching-chak with Congress singing the tambura tune, ii) after the commie organized onslaught on the Razakars, the Madras State elections in Jan 52 saw CPI win 62 seats whereas in the 46 elections to the Madras Presidency, CPI had won only 2 seats in all. Even today CPI gets a steady share of votes in some portions of Telangana somuchso that CPI is a national party in AP because of this (> 2% requirement of all votes polled is what I remember).

With INC back in clout in AP, the zamindars who were also fought by the CPI along with the Razakars, became the neo-zamindars or the mining mafia of today, differentiated only by whether they belong to the Kamma, Kapu, Velama or Reddy communities. With land reorganization and agrarian reforms not completed, AP is no wonder a steady staging ground for neo-Naxalbari activities, propaganda and ground level supportcast. Around 70-80% of the ideological feeding ground for the maoist menace should be AP-centred, that is my opinion. Take the case of Kerala on the other side: agrarian reforms under the EMS government in 56 ensured that this is not a takleef for revolting. But then, there are other conditions for revolting in Kerala, including our famous religious picnicks that the Malappuram lungi dance has made Kerala famous for. Whether that re-partitioning in Kerala was fair or not is a long and different story, but that did help in channelizing anger against the zamindars well. Same for why Bengal took easily to communism and why the Muslim East Bengalis (or Bangladeshis) still hate the zamindari-biraderi and how the mask of CPI and CPM gave the neo-zamindari a nice ruse to milk both the Hindu and Muslim vote bank under the proletariat theme and to do bhaichara with Bangladesh like Jyoti Basu did. Its easy to forget the fact that the India of 47 and before was like what is pakistan of today, not just the houbara hunting and the nero-singing but in every shade of gray.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 May 2011 08:19

Even today CPI gets a steady share of votes in some portions of Telangana somuchso that CPI is a national party in AP because of this (> 2% requirement of all votes polled is what I remember).

This is not really true and there is no way one can even calculate how much either CPM or CPI are getting in terms of vote percentages in AP. Per EC site their percentages may be around 2% but that is not totally theirs. After 1983 there was not even one time CPI and CPM are standing alone in elections. They are always going in coalition with TDP or INC. Hence it is totally impossible to even know how much is their percentage. Another interesting note is their votes equally divided between rich coastal areas and ironically even in Telangana they are getting votes in Khammam distict which is only geographically Telangana but for all visible purposes it looks like some Godavari/Krishna districts. CPI and CPM are even today very strong in Vijayawada city. CPM mayor (via direct election) rules vijayawada (city on the bank of river Krishna) as recent as in 1980s.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2011 08:22

So its even more complicated than that.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 29 May 2011 08:36

Muppalla wrote: This is not really true and there is no way one can even calculate how much either CPM or CPI are getting in terms of vote percentages in AP. Per EC site their percentages may be around 2% but that is not totally theirs. After 1983 there was not even one time CPI and CPM are standing alone in elections. They are always going in coalition with TDP or INC.

This is the same problem you have with CPM too. Except in WB, Tripura and Kerala, they contest only in alliances everywhere. You need a party to have a dominant presence in four states to be accorded NP status. The other contenders for CPM are Andaman & Nicobar Is., TN and Punjab. (In terms of principle, the ECI could nt care less how these votes come in, whether in alliance or otherwise. You can look at the anomaly that is NCP too. Except for BSP, INC and BJP and a combo of CPI and CPM, others all seem like suspect candidates for being NPs.)

Independent of this complication, the wider point remains. Noone is voting for CPI or CPM in AP or TN unless there is a segment that is viscerally tied down at the base in the form of a communist ideology. The *MK's have hunted out any resident communist tendency and if CPI/CPM still have a firm votebank, thats notable. Same for AP with TDP, INC and the other recent/old jokers such as PRP, LS, MIM, etc. Whether these are the PUCL-type rich-rapes or the DYFI-type workers or the SFI-type wannabe politicians, the fact that such a segment exists in India in certain states is a fact that cant be dismissed outright. In fact, this is what I wrote elsewhere (http://dharma-yuddham.blogspot.com/2010 ... e-for.html):

As of 2008, the CPI had state party status in West Bengal (essentially piggy-backing on the CPI(M)-led Left Front's performance in the 2004 elections), Jharkhand and Tamil Nadu (piggy-backing on the DMK's performance in the 2004 elections) on the basis of its representation in Parliament, while in Manipur and Kerala the party is recognised on the basis of its presence in the State Assembly. While the % vote share of CPI in the 2009 elections are not available to me in West Bengal and Jharkhand (I do not expect the numbers to be >6% since the Left combine took a beating in both West Bengal and Jharkhand), its numbers in Manipur and Kerala are 14.92% and 7.44%, respectively. Other states with decent vote share in the 2009 Lok Sabha elections include Tamil Nadu (2.85%) and Orissa (2.57%). In addition to these facts, the CPI as the founding Communist Party in India has historical roots in Andhra Pradesh and the tribal areas of Jharkhand and Chattisgarh where activism against the land-owning zamindars and as a forerunner to the mobilization of the workers' and laborers' unity has put it in a good light. Despite all these claims to being a National Party, the CPI can boast of no more than 1.43% of the national vote share, which casts serious doubts on its National Party credentials. In fact, the CPI fits to a T the status of a duopolistic regional contender with one regional focus being along the West Bengal-Tripura-Manipur axis and another in the Kerala-Tamil Nadu-Andhra Pradesh-Jharkhand axis.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2011 08:40

Stan Is that your blog? If so can you add to the GDF thread on member blogs?

Thanks,ramana

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 May 2011 08:50

ramana garu, regarding complexity -

There are 23 districts and the story and evolution of events are very different in most of these districts. At a high level one can say the fissures are due to huge gaps between rich and poor being exploited by various internal, external, religious and political forces. There ends the broader definition. Beyond that generalization via theories is not going to work.

For example:

With INC back in clout in AP, the zamindars who were also fought by the CPI along with the Razakars, became the neo-zamindars or the mining mafia of today, differentiated only by whether they belong to the Kamma, Kapu, Velama or Reddy communities. With land reorganization and agrarian reforms not completed, AP is no wonder a steady staging ground for neo-Naxalbari activities, propaganda and ground level supportcast.

The above statement also looks as though it suffices. The Zamindars of the past who owned land are also the same castes listed there. The folks who are part of the CPI/CPM are also from the same castes and triggered Naxal movements. It is important to note they did not lose the caste identities inspite of ideologically CPI/CPM etc. Even now the power struggle and one upmanship is between those castes. CPI/CPM are extremely casteistic in AP.

In my opinion, the one-upmanship between castes like Velamas, Reddys, Kammas and Kapus is pure and simple historic. The warroir caste that got split during and before Kakateeya times is still continuing. To get the one-upman ship, these castes are taking what ever the platforms that are provided by the times. In the pre-british times, it was wars between kingdoms, in British times, it was pro-indpendence parties like INC, CPI (instrumental in fight against Nizam but later joined Razakars) Vs Justice party types. In post-indpendence, it is communists, Naxals, Congress, TDP and Telangana type movements. The power struggle is just the same and the divisions are also same. It just did not change over several centuries.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2011 08:58

Yeah an even the differences between the groups are indiscernible to outsiders. Its more like long running feuds over generations and imagined insults. Each group thinks they have been exploited by others.

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 29 May 2011 12:42

This is with reference to this front-page report in the Deccan Chronicle of May 29: Ties with NDA a mistake, says Naidu.

This appears to be a bit thick, coming from Chandra Babu Naidu. For, he forgot that he rode to power in 1999 on the charisma - and coat-tails of Atal Behari Vajpayee, but for which his boast of being a chief minister for nine years would never have happened. It was then a political necessity to keep the congress out. He now 'realizes' the minorities have deserted him because of his dalliance with the BJP dominated NDA.

Often described as the CEO of Andhra Pradesh during his reign - an appellation he relished as much as the adulation - CBN proved that he is no more or no less than politicians like Lalu and Mulayam when it comes to scampering for the spoils of power.

Hasn't his impatience and hunger for power resulted in his impetuous decision to back the demand for Telangana in 2009? It was his dubious stance that gave the demand for Telangana a tremendous impetus and unleashed a series of irreversible events.

However it is the family feud and not his ambivalence - the 'to be or not to be' with the demand for Telangana - that is upper most in his mind now. Having been an inveterate critic of dynastic rule - of the Congress - he now finds himself again on the horns of a dilemma - the 'to be or not to be' with a father's yearning to launch a son as political heir and contending with the fury of NTR's heirs, other than Balakrishna. Because, it appears Hari Krishna not only sulked during his brief stay in the 'Mahanadu' but even wagged a warning finger - filmi-ishtyle - at another veteran Telugu Thammudu, (isn't everyone in the party a Thammudu?) Y. Ramakrishnudu. And NTR Jr. abstained from uncle's jamboree.

Poor CBN, has nowhere to go, come 2014. he can't ally with Jagan; the third-front experiments were repeatedly still-born and he burnt his bridges with the NDA. He does not have either Jayalalithaa's or Mamatha's charisma - and eloquence - to sail all by himself. The Telangana movement has consumed his party in both the regions. Naidu tried to be too clever by half - and fell between two stools.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 May 2011 14:57

The main problem with CBN is trust or lack of it. Very people trust him in AP. Every one knows he has removed NTR from TDP itself. He dumped all the programmes of NTR once NTR died. It is hard to explain to people the reasons for the same now. Famously said "agricuture is waste" while in power and now running around on farmers issues. He is all for united state for all his life. To win in 2009 he is for Telangana. Now two eye policy.

We can see he is keping out NTR sons from party power and at the same time promoted his son. He got his son married to Balakrishna (son of NTR) girl and ensured that there is division in NTR sons. Even Jr NTR wife is also his relative. So marriage also part of political game for him. There is no limit for this man. All is for power.

So TRUST is the main issue for him. Some time Jagan Criminal gang is claiming their leader will all ways keep his word. To be fair YSR with all his mage loot kept his word on his so called welfare schemes. So TRUST is going to be main asset for them.

What ever CBN does it is quite difficult for him with people not beliveing him. People feel he is a cheat. Can we blame them?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 May 2011 19:45

>>Naidu tried to be too clever by half - and fell between two stools.

Yup, 400% agree. Order 'stool tests' at once to find out the reasons for the fall, I say.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 29 May 2011 23:29

Muppalla garu,

the various Kshatriya castes need a proper and positive platform to continue their struggle. if they return to their original profession, it will be beneficial for AP and for India. unfortunately, they have forgotten their roots and settle for petty political power games. what we have is a Kshatriya layer of the population that has built its identity around petty struggles with other Kshatriyas......while forgetting the real duties of Kshatriyas. this is a broad generalization and I know of several families from different AP Kshatriya castes which retain their historic administrative roots. but for the most part, this is the case today with the Reddys, Velamas, Kammas, and Kapus.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 30 May 2011 01:05

devesh wrote:Muppalla garu,

the various Kshatriya castes need a proper and positive platform to continue their struggle. if they return to their original profession, it will be beneficial for AP and for India. unfortunately, they have forgotten their roots and settle for petty political power games. what we have is a Kshatriya layer of the population that has built its identity around petty struggles with other Kshatriyas......while forgetting the real duties of Kshatriyas. this is a broad generalization and I know of several families from different AP Kshatriya castes which retain their historic administrative roots. but for the most part, this is the case today with the Reddys, Velamas, Kammas, and Kapus.

I am very pessimistic and this is not going to happen as this is probably a thousand year old now. Even the very educated, successful and matured folks from these castes does not realize this as some crap. There are very well to do people who I know strategize the power grabbing just like BRF discussed TSP, China and US with respect to India

The only way forward is that others in AP become similarly rich and politically savvy so that the political mantle is taken over. For example, Bihar and UP were taken over by Yadavs and others though Thakurs and brahmins still influence or effect the situation but these states firmly got out of the dominant castes.

Something of that should happen. There is a large scale so called backward classes and they should become politically savvy and not align with Reddys, Kammas, Kapus and Velamas. However, I am extremely pessimistic.

Coming back to T stuff, the discussions inside Telangana TDP is interesting. The SC/backward class T folks are questioning the utility of seperate T from their perspective (behind the scene only and openly they are part of T state struggle) while Velamas and Reddys are forming their armies to get Telangana a seperate state. One SC MLA asked when Nagam and Kadiam revolted what is there for his community in seperate T state that is not there in combined AP state. He went on to say at least I got some position and respect by being loyal to Andhras but we only know feudal exploitation of T-Reddys and T-Velamas. Probably CBN's strategy is to play BC card in T to get some hold back.

The T-Reddys inside INC are very very angry with high command because in all probability they are going to reject T-state. The hopes of T-Reddys to get the T-state and take the credit for getting it are getting dashed. This may result in KCR's Velama domination. There seems to be a Reddy party emergence in T with tacit support and funding from Jagan. In fact per rumors, Jaipal Reddy is planning to resign from Union Cabinet.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 30 May 2011 02:17

devesh wrote: the various Kshatriya castes need a proper and positive platform to continue their struggle. if they return to their original profession, it will be beneficial for AP and for India. unfortunately, they have forgotten their roots and settle for petty political power games. what we have is a Kshatriya layer of the population that has built its identity around petty struggles with other Kshatriyas......while forgetting the real duties of Kshatriyas. this is a broad generalization and I know of several families from different AP Kshatriya castes which retain their historic administrative roots. but for the most part, this is the case today with the Reddys, Velamas, Kammas, and Kapus.

Devesh garu,

The problem, IMO, is that today's kshatriyas think their dharma is to 'rule' instead of protecting the mother land and dharma.

Today people claim 'artificial' kshatriyaness to claim entry into politics and skimming the society for that royalty.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 31 May 2011 19:51

^^^
++1. the concept of protection and nurturing has disappeared. the sense of entitlement is the most striking feature among today's ruling class in AP. especially so among Telangana Velamas. the Naxal movement can be attributed to the behavior of Velamas over the centuries. and Velamas have been the most targeted by Naxals. I have heard stories of entire Velama families clearing out from rural areas and moving to the security of towns and Cities b/c of systematic revenge attacks by Naxals. this happened mostly a few decades ago. and I have has some personal experiences with Velama arrogance, no offense to anybody. I have found that the men in the families are actually quite humble in many cases, at least for outward appearance. the women are a different case: "kallu netti meediki ekkinai"

they are the definition of arrogance.

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 01 Jun 2011 08:37

Have you guys seen this? pictures of the new YSR Congress Headquarters. I am actually glad this has come out in the open.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Jun 2011 08:55

^^^
AP is gone....expect a solid 30% population to be Christian by 2020. expect a Church and liberal images of Christ and the Cross all over Hyderabad and major towns. the Hindu images like Om and Swastika will be taken down b/c they are too communal.

YSR family is an open front for Christianity. they have repeatedly shows contempt and disdain for Hindus. what do other members of the party feel. are they ok with this? do they not have any shame? dignity? can't they at least say we also want our symbol to be put on their too???

AP is gone imo. there will be roaming bands of gospel messengers ringing door bells everyday trying to convert you...

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 01 Jun 2011 09:38

devesh wrote:^^^
AP is gone....expect a solid 30% population to be Christian by 2020. expect a Church and liberal images of Christ and the Cross all over Hyderabad and major towns. the Hindu images like Om and Swastika will be taken down b/c they are too communal.

YSR family is an open front for Christianity. they have repeatedly shows contempt and disdain for Hindus. what do other members of the party feel. are they ok with this? do they not have any shame? dignity? can't they at least say we also want our symbol to be put on their too???

AP is gone imo. there will be roaming bands of gospel messengers ringing door bells everyday trying to convert you...

30% is already done sir. All the non-political castes have been specifically targeted and successfully converted. Karnataka is a bulwark against this tide of conversion in South due to Lingayat community, and hence this 'get rid of Yeddy' at any cost.

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 01 Jun 2011 09:49

Is there no way to fight back? What are the Hindu organizations and BJP doing? Does the TDP think the Christians will vote for them or YSR Congress? Till now YSR and Jaganmohan were not openly Christian and it was hardly mentioned in the media with images like this out in the open hopefully people will wake up.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Jun 2011 09:53

^^^
what next? will they move into the open soon? if so, how will they influence India's policy? will they be arguing that India needs to be a US puppet? they already want churches on Tirumala hills.....it will be very interesting to see what kind of political views they hold about US, and West. does India even have an independent identity in their minds???

also, several Telugu actors are at the forefront of evangelical conversion. Jayaprada, Jayasudha, Raja, Nagma, are just a few.
several Rayalaseema leaders converted in the 90's and from Rayalaseema EJ'ism has spread to rest of AP.

guys, those staying in AP, is it possible to measure what kind of views these newly converted EJ's have? about India? about US/West? about Hindus? about Hindu places of worship?

any surveys, videos, polls, etc??? I am scouring the net to find something other than the glowing "testimonies" aka propaganda videos.....I am trying to get to their views. we need a massive effort.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Jun 2011 09:57

AP needs Kakatiya/Satavahana/Vijayanagara to come back from the dead. RSS needs to get established in AP.....

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Jun 2011 10:19

arunsrinivasan wrote:Have you guys seen this? pictures of the new YSR Congress Headquarters. I am actually glad this has come out in the open.

Is there a Link to this picture or is this some smear campaign by his opponents?

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 01 Jun 2011 10:26

Aditya_V wrote:
arunsrinivasan wrote:Have you guys seen this? pictures of the new YSR Congress Headquarters. I am actually glad this has come out in the open.

Is there a Link to this picture or is this some smear campaign by his opponents?

Check Times of India Hyderabad Edition Front Page.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/ ... wMode=HTML

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 01 Jun 2011 14:03

http://i.imgur.com/7sW3d.jpg

AIDS Cure, Free money in wallet.

This was last week close to where I live. I got this handout with my newspaper. Where are all the rationalists now? or is that only for Hindu beliefs and customs?

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 01 Jun 2011 14:59

arunsrinivasan wrote:Have you guys seen this? pictures of the new YSR Congress Headquarters. I am actually glad this has come out in the open.

It is a clear warning signal, if we can see it. According to some estimates, the Xian population of AP is of the order of 10% and rapidly galloping. If the recent Kerala elections are any indication, first power will slip into the hands of the minority groups and with power in hand conversion can be accelerated by 'carrot and stick policies'.

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 01 Jun 2011 15:59

Aditya_V wrote:

Is there a Link to this picture or is this some smear campaign by his opponents?

Check Times of India Hyderabad Edition Front Page.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/ ... wMode=HTML[/quote]

The link opens a picture all right but it doesn't open a ToI page. I was trying to open it through TOI (Hyderabad Edition) but couldn't find it. Can some one vouch for it from personal knowledge as having actually seen the paper?

unarayanadas · Post by **unarayanadas** » 01 Jun 2011 16:21

M/s V. Aditya & Arun Srinivasan, I am afraid it is no hoax. It is a genuine picture all right. Here is the e-paper link http://bit.ly/mnGldx
Now doomsday is not far off for slumbering Hindus.

jambudvipa · Post by **jambudvipa** » 01 Jun 2011 16:26

devesh wrote:AP needs Kakatiya/Satavahana/Vijayanagara to come back from the dead. RSS needs to get established in AP.....

Deveshji, i think you echo a sentiment fast gainig currecny in the state.On a recent visit to Chilkur the pantalu was clearly saying that conversion will not work despite the amount of money being pumped in etc.

As an outsider i have always wondered what effect a seperate Telangana state will have on the EJ activities?

Whatever the merits/demierits of the Telanagana agitation,seeing with my own eyes the broken stumps of Krishnadevaraya's statue near tank bund made me a lot sadder.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Jun 2011 16:31

unarayanadas wrote:M/s V. Aditya & Arun Srinivasan, I am afraid it is no hoax. It is a genuine picture all right. Here is the e-paper link http://bit.ly/mnGldx
Now doomsday is not far off for slumbering Hindus.

Lets not overblow it- doomsday and all, all these days the INC- Church nexus in Andra, Karnataka, TN and North East was kept under wraps, now it is more in the open. TOI once pointed out how Christians were Fixed Deposits for INC- no matter what happens most in the community will always be pro-INC. SO good for them.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Jun 2011 16:34

jambudvipa wrote:
devesh wrote:AP needs Kakatiya/Satavahana/Vijayanagara to come back from the dead. RSS needs to get established in AP.....
Deveshji, i think you echo a sentiment fast gainig currecny in the state.On a recent visit to Chilkur the pantalu was clearly saying that conversion will not work despite the amount of money being pumped in etc.

As an outsider i have always wondered what effect a seperate Telangana state will have on the EJ activities?

Whatever the merits/demierits of the Telanagana agitation,seeing with my own eyes the broken stumps of Krishnadevaraya's statue near tank bund made me a lot sadder.

Dont forget in addition to Krishnadevaraya's statue they also specifically targetted BhaktaRamdas Statue and Anamacharya's statue in the name of Telegana. Police later claimed that the plot to destroy the Statues was made in the Karl Marx Bhavan in Telegana.

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 01 Jun 2011 17:40

Christians in AP won't vote for Congress at least not when you have Jagan.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 01 Jun 2011 17:46

arunsrinivasan wrote:Is there no way to fight back? What are the Hindu organizations and BJP doing? Does the TDP think the Christians will vote for them or YSR Congress? Till now YSR and Jaganmohan were not openly Christian and it was hardly mentioned in the media with images like this out in the open hopefully people will wake up.

Why should BJP do anything? How many of your extended family voted for BJP? What is your confidence level to do so?

I am asking this question myself.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Jun 2011 18:06

^^^
very good questions. BJP has no ground in AP. how can we expect them to do anything. we need volunteer organizations outside politics to combat this.

unfortunately, the funding for this will stop only if Center enforces some rules. all the donations in Western churces, a portion of that goes to these activities. the power of the dollar holds true.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 01 Jun 2011 18:51

Devesh garu,

The response has to be in political arena. YSJ has to be crushed politically so Andhra EJ lobby is denied direct access to power.

Unfortunately CBN is transforming into a Dhritarashtra and INC is rudderless.

If YSJ gets 70-80 seats, it would be a combination of EJ+MIM rule in Hyderabad. All int he name of Samaikyandhra

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 01 Jun 2011 20:33

RamaY wrote:Devesh garu,

The response has to be in political arena. YSJ has to be crushed politically so Andhra EJ lobby is denied direct access to power.

Unfortunately CBN is transforming into a Dhritarashtra and INC is rudderless.

If YSJ gets 70-80 seats, it would be a combination of EJ+MIM rule in Hyderabad. All int he name of Samaikyandhra

RamaY: I think it has to be a combination of both political + non political. EJ's don't need Government support to carry on their work it helps if they do but it's not essential.

They can continue to hold EJ meetings and rallies and offer dole and there is nothing anybody can do to stop them. What you do need is more groups like Art of Living, Baba Ramdev and other gurus to step up. The problem here is two fold the Hindus who get converted and the Hindus who sit back and close their eyes. If more Hindus cared about stopping EJ's I am sure it would be a bigger political issue.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 01 Jun 2011 20:38

Arunji.

My recommendation for people would be to stop giving donations to TTD and other big temples. They have enough funds to sustain themselves for next 50-100 years. Go visit those temples but do not donate any money.

Donate money to Indic charitable institutions so the help is reached to fellow Bharatiyas instead of political classes. There are many avenues for this.
* Ramakrishna Mission
* Akshaya Patra
* EKal vidyalaya
* Rang De
* Sankara Netralaya
* Bharata Sevasram
* private temples - Ayyappa temples, Sai Temples and so on
* Many gowsalas
* Hindu Orphanages
* Aksharadham schools
and so on...

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 01 Jun 2011 21:52

^^^
with the rise of EJ, would it be advantageous to separate Telangana and give Warangal/Kakatiya some incubation time to regroup the forces and then make a frontal attack by directly interacting with newly converts?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jun 2011 21:56

Devesh, Have you been to Bhadrachalam? The way is literally littered with American run churches in 2006. Must be even more now.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 01 Jun 2011 22:06

devesh wrote:^^^
with the rise of EJ, would it be advantageous to separate Telangana and give Warangal/Kakatiya some incubation time to regroup the forces and then make a frontal attack by directly interacting with newly converts?

Possible. However with the current batch of TN-leadership i am not sure of it. Please note that they will also have the humongous task of developing that area w.r.t civic infra.

With most of Reddy & BC (my observation in coastal-andhra districts) clans in EJ gang, it is now left to velama, kamma and raju groups to stay united on Indic side.