Levant crisis - III

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2016 20:18

Yusha Yuseef ‏@MIG29_

#Aleppo, Thousands of civilians exit from East Aleppo into Syrin Army side pic from Syrian reporter Hameed M Maarouf

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 30 Nov 2016 20:21

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.756188

How Turkey’s Erdogan Played Europe - and Won

Nice, simple, precise article.

Erdogan is playing the same game with Russia now.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 30 Nov 2016 20:24

http://aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/russia ... act/696281

Russia 'not demanding' Turkey quit EU for Shanghai pact
Russia is ready to cooperate with Turkey in every sense,' says Moscow's ambassador to Ankara.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 20:25

"cooperate with Turkey in every sense" includes helping The Proletariat get rid of the Greedy Capitalist Oppressor.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 20:29

habal wrote:
Singha wrote:russian tribute video for the funeral of mohd rafe
Looks like a lion doesn't he. Look at the bridge of that nose, gracefully blending with that forehead without any ridges and makes almost a straight line, just like a lion . It's mark of people with tremendous courage and no fear.

This whole bijnej of lions being BRAVE etc is sheer capitalist propaganda from Great Satan and Little Poodle.
Grown lions are notoriously lazy and generally slink away tail between legs, except when hungry or little ones threatened.
Little ones are very playful and can run fast, away from any threats or they get smacked on their ears by their parents.

The big nose merged with forehead is so they can smell danger far away and slink off.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Nov 2016 20:30

Bhurishravas wrote:This is what happenened. ISIS linked terrorists fired at Israeli patrol and Israeli planes bombed the vehicle carrying HMG in retaliation. Four pigs dead.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/world ... .html?_r=0

Took two minutes to google.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.756132
Israeli Jets Attack Near Damascus, Syria Confirms; 'Hezbollah Arms Targeted'

which one do we believe ?

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 30 Nov 2016 20:33

^^ Two different incidents.
The one I mentioned took place on Sunday. Its info is included in the link you posted.

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2016 20:36

UlanBatori wrote:
habal wrote: Looks like a lion doesn't he. Look at the bridge of that nose, gracefully blending with that forehead without any ridges and makes almost a straight line, just like a lion . It's mark of people with tremendous courage and no fear.
This whole bijnej of lions being BRAVE etc is sheer capitalist propaganda from Great Satan and Little Poodle.
Grown lions are notoriously lazy and generally slink away tail between legs, except when hungry or little ones threatened.
Little ones are very playful and can run fast, away from any threats or they get smacked on their ears by their parents.

The big nose merged with forehead is so they can smell danger far away and slink off.

thus photo I posted was that of lioness.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2016 20:42

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 26m26 minutes ago
There are reports that a temporary ceasefire will be announced to allow civilians to leave east Aleppo, it is a result of Russ-Turk talks

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 34m34 minutes ago
Syrian Army advances in Karam al-Tarab west of Airport

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2016 20:43

a) Peskov: Lavrov is headed for Turkey to find out why Erdogan said his troops are in Syria to overthrow Assad.

b) Kremlin ‘does not confirm’ contacts with @realDonaldTrump administration on Syria

c) Russian Foreign Ministry: Large Part Of UN Humanitarian Aid Goes To Militants In Syria, Including Al-Nusra

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2016 20:50

a triangular region with the vertices as Citadel, Bab al Nayrab and Aleppo airport is probably the next big target. this will again cut the rump pocket into two.

there are fields and areas of open land , creeks in between the outlying colonies, ideal to move in men and armour.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Nov 2016 20:52

France calls for emergency UN security council session ;

The 15 ambassadors of the UN Security Council will get a video-conference briefing on the situation in Aleppo by a UN official in charge of humanitarian operation and the UN mediator in Syria, Staffan de Mistura.

"France and its partners cannot remain silent in the face of what could be one of the biggest massacres of civilian population since World War II," said France's UN ambassador Francois Delattre on Tuesday.

Al Jazeera

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2016 20:53

most of the outlying posh, well planned colonies are in govt control. its the oldest , most dense and poorest inner city of aleppo that is mostly left.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2016 20:54

let France send its PM and ask the jihadis to let the civilians go. and make it fast.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Nov 2016 20:55

why is Turdogan behaving weird ?

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/11/29 ... ad-erdogan Erdgoan says ousting Assad reason for Syria incursion

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2016 21:03

The area between this 2 districts should fall now.

‏@MIG29_

SAA Capture Sadkob and last building in Ramouseh after JN withdrawal

habal · Post by **habal** » 30 Nov 2016 21:04

While Jaish al-Fatah militant coalition will try repel government attacks in southern and northern directions, the Syrian military will likely launch a splitting attack in the direction of Aleppo Citadel, putting the end to the battle for Aleppo city.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 21:48

I wonder why France does not instruct its favored Rebels on the proper procedures to follow Le Doctrine Francoise Traditionelle de Guerre:
Elegantly but briskly wave Le Cravat Blanc

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 21:51

Seriously, is there any truth to their claim of "biggest massacre of civilians since WW2"? I mean, compared to what happened in French cities during La Liberacion Americaine?

The Bombing of France 1939 - 1945

Bombing in World War 2 claimed between 50,000 and 60,000 French civilian lives. Almost all died at the hands of the Allies, not the Germans. The death toll, though no more than an eighth of that in Germany, was still numerically comparable to that of British civilian victims of German bombing and V-weapons, or to that of Jews deported from France and exterminated in the camps. The Channel port of Le Havre alone is estimated to have lost some 5,000 dead.1 Material destruction, too, left a lasting legacy on French towns. Of France 's 38,000 municipalities, 1,838 were officially declared war-damaged, or sinistrées, in 1946 – a designation requiring damage or destruction to at least 30 per cent of buildings. They included 20 out of France 's 27 largest cities. Some 18 per cent of all French buildings were listed as destroyed or seriously damaged. Largely untold in the literature in English, this story has received fairly scant coverage in French as well.

Image below: Caen 1944

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 22:01

The Victory In France, WW2
This is why the Pentagon argued for Neutron Bombs: All these buildings would have been left standing. A bit smelly, but standing. That beautiful French Architecture would have been intact.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 30 Nov 2016 22:02

^^^ Holy sheeeet.

The buildings standing after a neutron bomb would also be glowing like plutonium since they would be highly radioactive.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 22:04

Yup. Now REMEMBER - that the reason France surrendered to Germany was to avoid getting their buildings esp. La Paris destroyed. Their Allies kindly did it for them anyway at the end, only leaving Paris standing. The whole propaganda was about the herrowic German Jarnail who lied when Hitler asked:
IS PARIS BURNING?

er,, Mein Fuhrer, could u pls consider onlee saar, that every town other than Paris has nothing LEFT to burn, hainjee? Courtesy of ze vicious Englanders and ze stupeed Americaines?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 22:12

Sorry, OT except that I am tired of reading the pearls of Truth and Reason coming from The Western All-Lie-Ants:

Children in St. Lo, France, 1944. BBC.

NOTICE: The hospitals and kitten sanctuaries are untouched. BOTH the CHILDREN of St. Lo look happy and unscathed too!!

Take THAT u evil Assad and propagandizing Russian hackers!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 22:18

Last one I promise! Le Havre 1944, where ONLY 5000 are believed to have been killed - all of them Regime Supporters, since the rest of the 500,000 were all safely drinking Bourbon in the local pediatric hospital and kitten sanctuary.

Look how the wonderful sandy beach was extended all the way through downtown. Improved the views so much.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2016 22:49

How did the french public stoically accept 50k of their own killed in wildly inaccurate level bombing mostly at night by the british? Media has given no voice to any voices of protest..instead a frenchman is seen celebrating as hus own house is brought down by naval shells in the longest day movie

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Nov 2016 22:52

According to information obtained by Al-Masdar News, hundreds of Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (Al-Qaeda affiliate) fighters arrived from Idlib to the western Aleppo countryside on Wednesday. Syrian reconnaissance units and drones have observed extensive Islamist military build-up in the region, causing government troops to stiffen their defences of the city.

Effectively, Jaysh al-Fateh (Army of Conquest/Islamist coalition) is expected to launch renewed attacks on the densely populated government-held suburbs of western Aleppo in the coming days in a last-ditch effort to relieve besieged insurgents in eastern Aleppo.

Meanwhile, the Russian Air Force will likely increase its sorties over western Aleppo in an attempt to disrupt the upcoming jihadist offensive and reduce its initial impact.

One month ago, a two-pronged Jaysh al-Fateh offensive did gain initial ground but was eventually fully reversed by the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) which has now turned its attention to insurgents inside Aleppo city itself.

Should the SAA take full control of the provincial capital of Aleppo, widely regarded as the pre-war industrial centre of Syria, government forces will in turn mobilize their forces for an offensive into the Jaysh al-Fateh heartland of Idlib province.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 30 Nov 2016 23:40

Singha wrote:How did the french public stoically accept 50k of their own killed

This was just in the aerial bombing. What about the artillery and close-in combat? I guess the answer is that the death rate was like 80%. The dead can't scream. Any survivors who screamed would have been shot as "les collaborateurs". The rest were dhimmified. Starved, their only hope of food was from "Les Liberateurs" who also gladly enjoyed their wimmens.

These are the grim realities of war that anyone who thinks can figure out, behind the grand parades and movies of girls climbing tanks to kiss Les Amis and give roses. Its when oiseules like the present French Prez open their hypocritical orifices that it stinks. Reading "The Last Battle" by Cornelius Ryan (not "The Longest Day" which glosses over all such things) gives some glimpses, still vastly dhimmified. That is about Occupied Germany, but if you think you realize that life was no different in Liberated France.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Dec 2016 03:43

Mosul is without water supply as the distribution grid has been hit by battle and authorities find it too dangerous to repair .

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Dec 2016 03:53

High causalities in battle on Mosul has left army divided if town should have been emptied before assault : https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mi ... 93b87f2084

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Dec 2016 04:02

how IS militants imposed ban on perfumes but were highest buyers of same, many moved around with four wives and lived lives of opulence in looted villas and cars http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKBN13P0HT

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 07:15

advance from north side too. this youth housing is different from another namesake near mallah farms.

Hamza sulyman ‏@hamza_780 8h8 hours ago
#Saa controls the youth housing #aleppo

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Dec 2016 07:18

Still a huge area to cut through.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 07:18

Fares Shehabi ‏@ShehabiFares 13h13 hours ago
NATO backed "moderate" rebels in E Aleppo commit a massacre against fleeing civilians at one safety corridor set up by the Syrian army!
https://twitter.com/ShehabiFares/status ... 9800407040 - graphic pics inside including old women gunned down

ghouta rebel drivers surrender two shilkha vehicles and hightail it
https://twitter.com/Syria_Protector/sta ... 9109104640

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 07:20

UlanBatori wrote:Still a huge area to cut through.

the pocket is around 15km in circumference and around 5km in diameter. the easier attack axis is from the western side bab al nayrab and airport because the colonies have some gaps and creeks among them to infiltrate and swarm in parallel...on eastern side the area is heavily built up...the circle around the citadel is the old quarter like the pic above with tiny lanes typical of old delhi....lord alone knows how many IDPs and civilians are cowering in there

and in the middle of it - the prize, unbowed by age - The Citadel

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 07:23

if the rebels want a bus ticket its still better to let them move out to Idlib and save a few 100 lives in the city as the ring continues to close.

this will also allow the SAA some rest before falling upon the western aleppo countryside.

it was thick clusters of wooden houses that were burned in the Tokyo fire raid deliberately designed to maximise civilian deaths. 100,000 killed, twice that of hiroshima.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm

The Superforts returned in force at the end of the month, flying at altitudes that insured immunity from attacks by Japanese defenders. Although their high altitude provided a shield for the bombers, it also decreased the accuracy and impact of their bomb runs. To correct this deficiency, Major-General Curtis Lemay (newly appointed commander of the American Bomber Command) ordered a dramatic change in tactics. The bomber runs would be made at night, at low altitude and deliver a mixture of high explosive and incendiary bombs. The objective was to turn the closely-packed, wooden homes and buildings prevalent in the Japanese cities into raging infernos and ultimately into the most destructive of all weapons - the firestorm.

B-29 SuperfortressThe Allies had first encountered the phenomenon of the firestorm when the British bombed the German city of Hamburg in August of 1943. The night raid ignited numerous fires that soon united into one uncontrollable mass of flame, so hot it generated its own self-sustaining, gale-force winds and literally sucked the oxygen out of the air, suffocating its victims. Lemay hoped to use this force to level the cities of Japan. Tokyo would be the first test.

A successful incendiary raid required ideal weather that included dry air and significant wind. Weather reports predicted these conditions over Tokyo on the night of March 9-10, 1945. A force of 334 B-29s was unleashed - each plane stripped of ammunition for its machine guns to allow it to carry more fire-bombs. The lead attackers arrived over the city just after dark and were followed by a procession of death that lasted until dawn. The fires started by the initial raiders could be seen from 150 miles away. The results were devastating: almost 17 square miles of the city were reduced to ashes. Estimates of the number killed range between 80,000 and 200,000, a higher death toll than that produced by the dropping of the Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima or Nagasaki six months later.

<snip snip>
Proper air-raid clothing as recommended by the government to the civilian population consisted of a heavily padded hood over the head and shoulders that was supposed chiefly to protect people's ears from bomb blasts-explosives, that is. But for months, Tokyo had mostly been fire-bombed. The hoods flamed under the rain of sparks; people who did not burn from the feet up burned from the head down. Mothers who carried their babies strapped to their backs, Japanese style, would discover too late that the padding that enveloped the infant had caught fire. Refugees clutching their packages crowded into the rare clear spaces - crossroads, gardens and parks - but the bundles caught fire even faster than clothing and the throng flamed from the inside.

Hundreds of people gave up trying to escape and, with or without their precious bundles, crawled into the holes that served as shelters; their charred bodies were found after the raid. Whole families perished in holes they had dug under their wooden houses because shelter space was scarce in those overpopulated hives of the poor; the house would collapse and burn on top of them, braising them in their holes.

<snip snip>
What was most awful, my witness told me, was having to get off his bicycle every couple of feet to pass over the countless bodies strewn through the streets. There was still a light wind blowing and some of the bodies, reduced to ashes, were simply scattering like sand. In many sectors, passage was blocked by whole incinerated crowds."

^^ so now which set of people were showing concern for civilian deaths and collateral damage come again?
if it wanted to emulate such shining examples of human rights, Russia could also mass together some 50 bombers and burn aleppo to the ground in a week...

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Dec 2016 07:53

No need to go so far back to WW2. If you Google "Fallujah" or "Basra Free Fire Zone" you'll find fairly recent examples. Basra was declared a "Free Fire Zone" in GW-1 as in "no civilians there that we care about". Estimate is over 80,000 dead. Fallujah was razed well after GW-2 (when Iraq had been 'liberated') after someone killed several Blackwater contractors and hung their bodies from the bridge over the river.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 08:04

the generals in charge probably got field citations and medals for a job well done.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 01 Dec 2016 08:41

the US took pains to keep civilian casualties down in Fallujah. way fewer killings than the indiscriminate bombing of Alepo.

per wiki.....

The battle proved to be the bloodiest of the war and the bloodiest battle involving American troops since the Vietnam War. Comparisons with the Battle of Hue City and the Pacific campaign of World War II were made.[35] Coalition forces suffered a total of 107 killed and 613 wounded during Operation Phantom Fury. U.S. forces had 54 killed and 425 wounded in the initial attack in November.[7] By 23 December when the operation was officially concluded, the casualty number had risen to 95 killed and 560 wounded.[36] British forces had 4 killed and 10 wounded in two separate attacks in the outskirts of Fallujah.[9][10] Iraqi forces suffered 8 killed and 43 wounded.[7] Estimates of insurgent casualties are complicated by a lack of official figures. Most estimates place the number of insurgents killed at around 1,200[12] to 1,500,[11] with some estimations as high as over 2,000 killed.[7][36] Coalition forces also captured approximately 1,500 insurgents during the operation.[11] The Red Cross estimated directly following the battle that some 800 civilians had been killed during the offensive.[37

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 09:00

Somehow the british are very clever..they get the americans into wars....slide away with less damage...escape any adverse fallout....very cunning...while usa does the heavy lifting...even now in baltic shield and polar roar the eu will send token batallions while usa will contribute 90%...talk about being subsidised. .hope dt makes them foot more of the tab..these things cant be cheap

There are rumours that churchill knew of pearl harbour but let it slide to get america into the war....or something like that....

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 09:26

Irani farsnews..final attack on aleppo will be from many directions

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950910000738