Levant crisis - III

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 09:27

They will likely take the easier pieces one by one to pile on pressure to surrender rather than a huge berlin type oder vistula day of wrath thing with 500 arty per kilometer

Two southern districts are already in bag this week so far...

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2016 09:55

Singha wrote:Somehow the british are very clever..they get the americans into wars....slide away with less damage...escape any adverse fallout....very cunning...while usa does the heavy lifting...even now in baltic shield and polar roar the eu will send token batallions while usa will contribute 90%...talk about being subsidised. .hope dt makes them foot more of the tab..these things cant be cheap

There are rumours that churchill knew of pearl harbour but let it slide to get america into the war....or something like that....

The Brits are good with their statecraft , they managed to partition India in a way that kept both nation in proxy and real war since then

They used Edwina Mountbatten to soften Nehru.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 10:44

^^ never thought of that angle. I am sure they had a full dossier on JLN and his weaknesses..and deftly positioned mountbatten as the last viceroy with edwina in tow rather than a less promising prospect. mountbatten sir was the fall guy in this plan.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 11:49

Seems erDOGan is in deep trouble about what he said on Assad, so far the Russians are saying it was “off the record” whatever that means, but they want a verbal on the record answer, if he again feels a machoist push to propound something on similar lines again, he will be in deep sh1t and will get a due smacking after his trousers pulled down and his turkish bottoms exposed to a well oiled kamchatka pine cane.

https://www.rt.com/news/368739-erdogan- ... ad-russia/

We now wait on the prospect of all the Arab states coming together as one unified force to counter all the american ventures wreaking the middle east, and we can also include more allies joining the bandwagon against the vile zionist-American and zionist-EU govts.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 13:39

Lavrov will surely quiz him about it in private...to save face he may not twist his arms to recant in private but say something else like he is committed to peace in syria etc etc blah blah

lavrov visit is to let him know big brother watches and hears everything...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 13:46

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 13:46

^^ so a 9 yr old girl has students.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2016 13:48

Singha wrote:^^ never thought of that angle. I am sure they had a full dossier on JLN and his weaknesses..and deftly positioned mountbatten as the last viceroy with edwina in tow rather than a less promising prospect. mountbatten sir was the fall guy in this plan.

Oh well British Intel are pretty good at this , its not that without good intel they ruled us and others for centuries.

JLN had weakness for women and he was pampered wealthy child by birth , close to Gandhi Brits knew he had infulence over him .....I would say Mountbatten and Edwina were part of the plan they were loyal Queen Subjects after all.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Dec 2016 14:40

Singha wrote:^^ so a 9 yr old girl has students.

she is 7 yr old onlee saar :
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Hi I'm Bana I'm 7 years old girl. I and my mom are tweeting live from East Aleppo. Account managed by mom.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 14:51

if he again feels a machoist push to propound something on similar lines again, he will be in deep sh1t and will get a due smacking after his trousers pulled down and his turkish bottoms exposed to a well oiled kamchatka pine cane.

Plane shot down. Pilot shot in cold blood.
And roos will smack after some random statement.
Keep the faith.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 14:56

it would be better if these FSA paid mercs stay in syria for a few years of fun and games and get wiped out by local resistance. keeps the bees occupied and out of aleppo-idlib honeypot.

he is doing a favour to everyone else by keeping these bandits occupied in euphrates shield...thats his promise and he always delivers. assad should pay him in fake 500 notes to bear the $200/month salary of the FSA rank and file.

in exchange he gets to be King of Istanbul and run turkey into a ditch but thats a problem for turks to solve. why should russia or syria be worried about the Emperor

all hail the new king, long live the new king.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 15:24

Bhurishravas wrote: Plane shot down. Pilot shot in cold blood.
And roos will smack after some random statement.
Keep the faith.

there are a lot of Russian assets in Turkey that useful to spy on Europe, USA etc. You cannot cut of all those assets, just because one Erdogan has become a *****. They still want to preserve and retain all those assets within Turkey. Odessa, Istanbul etc are all old dens of cold war intrigues.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 15:29

Well the terrorists are now asking for Russian help.

Looks like the US is using special forces to liquidate their assets in Idlib on a massive scale with many dozens of high ranking leaders liquidated in the last month. Al Qaeda is done. Most of their major assets were thrown into the meat grinder trying to break the siege and now fertilizer. So they got 500 kids to create a diversion who will end up dead without any impact on what is going on. Just look at the map, the fateh halab and fateh al sham enclaves are like a bubble. Not Turkey and not US and not IS or Al Qaeda would be able to save those critters now.

The civilians behind the SAA units are being evacuated so no chance for any kind of hidden resupply. Any kind of suicidal attack and the SAA can retreat and use massive fir power to reduce the area since they know the civilians were evacuated. The 1000 or so al qaeda trapped in there will fight to the death for sure. Maybe that's why the others are running for the hills while they still have the chance.

In the next week we can see these guys all stuck in one small area. Which will be left to fester until they make suicide charges and killed off. But I dont think the rest of them would like to just commit suicide. Especially seeing how fast they ran when the front collapsed. The Japanese would stay and fight until they were killed even after he front collapsed and they ran out of bullets. This bunch will charge with knives and be gunned down with machine guns.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 15:30

Singha wrote:it would be better if these FSA paid mercs stay in syria for a few years of fun and games and get wiped out by local resistance. keeps the bees occupied and out of aleppo-idlib honeypot.
he is doing a favour to everyone else by keeping these bandits occupied in euphrates shield...thats his promise and he always delivers. assad should pay him in fake 500 notes to bear the $200/month salary of the FSA rank and file.
in exchange he gets to be King of Istanbul and run turkey into a ditch but thats a problem for turks to solve. why should russia or syria be worried about the Emperor all hail the new king, long live the new king.

Actually one can say the same thing about bankrupt Russia intervening in Syria. Why should anyone be worried about Putin when he is emptying the russian coffers fighting in Syria. Russia is in urgent need ofthose US dollars.
Russia does everything in its geopolitical interests and Putin is smart and Turkey acts foolish and random and Erdogan is stupid.

This is simply wishful thinking on part of roos lovers on this thread. In fact, the laughable blindness is just amazing.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 15:39

Even if Russia wins, Assad stays, Syria has a long long way to go in reconstruction and reconciliation. It is quite possible, in fact more likely, that the war will go on for another decade.
The unhinging of nation-states in middle-east will end only when new boundaries on sectarian/communal lines are drawn. Neither Russia nor Assad can stop the wheels from moving in that direction. And with neither country in an economically strong position, the people will continue to fight there.

West with more money is in a far better position despite stupid policies because it can outlast Russia in dollar terms.
War in middle-east has just started.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Dec 2016 15:43

but US is placed many miles away and with Brexit and more European countries going same way there is pressure from within to stop these war mongering expeditions: so future is not all that predictable in fact quite fluid situation. Russia and China unlike US are placed within ME sphere of influence and hence have dogs in these wars.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 15:53

^^ And that is why it would have been smart for Russia to cut to size a NATO allied islamist Turkey after the november 24 incident. All Putin needed to do was to arm the PKK/YPG in garb of fighting ISIS. A marxist leaning PKK/YPG was a natural ally.
Erdogan is not leaving NATO and is not a friend to anyone. Any weakening of Turkey could only have been good for Russia. They are historical enemies.
Putin the grand chessmaster is an idiot dictator.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 16:12

how do you propose cutting turkey to size without a major war near the black sea?
turkey has the 2nd largest army in NATO and one of the largest and most modern air forces. it has the 2nd highest number of tanks after the US in nato.

russia has a tiny air component relatively in Syria that cannot survive a concentrated turkish attack.

russia getting into a fight with turkey would just have given nato a good excuse to shut down the bosporus to russian vessels. eventually superior russian forces staging out of south russia and armenia could attrit the turks + cruise missiles ... but it would do 10 yrs damage to rus economy.

putin has to walk a thin line. he will give the YPG/PKK enough to keep turkey under control but no more. he will let the turkish run around enough to keep the YPG under control. and he will give assad enough to keep him under control. and he has to fend off superior $$ buying power in parallel in terms of buying faithfull all-lies. and he cannot afford a massive ODS type deployment anywhere.

the only party he can come down hard on is AQ/IS and he is doing that.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Dec 2016 17:20

As said before by Singha saar there is no binary in this war that is 1;0
This can be gauged from the fact that yesterday Russia was kept in loop while OPEC meeting took place to cut down oil production and RU agreed to final recommendations.
All countries need $$ to manage daily lives & wars: there is no one doodh ka dhoola here. Only self interest even if some ego is lost . Else why is Kerry in touch with Ru to resolve Iraq some how?

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 17:56

Singha saar is either not reading the posts or is drowning in uber Putin love.
Noone said anything about getting into a war with Turkey. Only arming the YPG/PKK. Russia is definitely not doing that. Not giving anything at all. US, Turkeys NATO ally is giving more to the Kurds than the Rssians.
And wtf does `keeping YPG` under control means. What threat is YPG to Russia or its interests?! Russia is allowing Turkey to hammer YPG inside Syria which is plainly stupid.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 18:00

From - Russia is going to spank Erdogan after pulling his pants down.
To - Russia doesnt have dollahs and needs friends and cant fight Turkey.

Uber Putin love leads to binary thinking. There is no other choice. Is there?!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 18:04

You have a one track mind here and cannot see the point.
I wont argue but just move along.

Isolated and vulnerable afrin canton survives from erdogans claws on pure goodwill and secret american aid dropped in via tunnels from crete.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 18:09

syrian soldiers with C-IED jammers in Aleppo

Another Syrian invention. No idea what they do..But they replaced IR night vision with IR infrared detectors that works far better than sight since you see movement and firing positions at night. Also terrorists can't target IR since it is passive detection and not active IR illumination.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 18:11

looks like turkey has won. It's not on the menu tonight.

Lavrov: Our discussions in Turkey was positive and our positions on the Syrian file identical.

Lavrov: We will continue our cooperation with Turkey in order to achieve peace in Syria.

Deputy Foreign Minister of Turkey said that his country were not able to launch a military operation in Syria, not for the development of positive relations with Russia.

Ihsanoglu: Cooperation with Russia in the security field will continue in Syria in Iraq and other Middle East.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 18:13

It probably jams radio signals esp cellphones like vvip convoys do in more powerful scale. Cellphones rigged to explosives are remote ied. This is for large booby traps left behind

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 18:20

The leaders of the armed groups in #Aleppo & #Idlib want a safe exit from #Syria via Russian cargo jets.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 18:21

^^ As expected, Erdogan doesnt give a flying f"ck about Russian objections.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said he and his visiting Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov agreed on the need for a ceasefire in Aleppo, but added that Turkey's stance on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was unchanged.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 18:22

De Mistura: we call on “Al-Nusra” again to leave the Aleppo to prevent bloodshed.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 18:25

It's sad if Russia will have to nuke Turkey over this dispute. Constantinople always belonged to the christendom, and if at some point of time in future it should change hands for sure. It should be habitable even then.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 18:35

According to media Russia had informed Turkey that the air strike which killed 4 turkish soldiers 2 days ago was carried out by Syrian Govt forces.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey ... sCatID=510

Today Lavrov has denied Russian and Syrian involvement.

Interesting.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 01 Dec 2016 18:41

Isolated and vulnerable afrin canton survives from erdogans claws on pure goodwill and secret american aid dropped in via tunnels from crete.

Nope. It is the unannounced secret Russian aid.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 18:48

Jaish al fateh did a quick counterattack yday and won back north half of sheik saeed colony. Saa retain south part.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 18:54

https://www.ft.com/content/bc167c3a-b71 ... acd97f622d

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 18:55

Some aleppo rebels have formed a negotiation group. Maybe locals with some shreds of humanity levels.

Sooner they surrender the better to isolate and bag the hardcore elites left over

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 19:33

Group of soldiers found in aleppo imprisoned for 3 years..in high spirits now

https://mobile.twitter.com/SyriawatanNe ... 21/video/1

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 19:57

BEIRUT - Hezbollah will play a leading role overseeing a recently-formed corps set to serve as an auxiliary fighting force for the Syrian regime, according to a Lebanese daily supportive of Damascus.

As-Safir reported Monday that top Hezbollah commanders known for their “high leadership quality” will embed with the Fifth Corps, which was formed last week by the Syrian regime.

“It is expected that some Hezbollah military leaders will have a major role in leading some of the fighting groups that will join the Fifth Corps,” the pro-Assad Lebanese daily claimed.

It went on to say that “a new force of elite troops within Hezbollah” will either operate under the banner of the Fifth Corps or directly coordinate with the new unit, without going into further details on the matter.

Officially dubbed a “storming force” by Syria’s army command, the Fifth Corps publicly stated mission is to “work alongside the Syrian army and allied troops” to “eradicate terrorism.”

Syrian state media has broadcast calls for volunteers to join the new unit, prompting reports in some opposition outlets that the Fifth Corps is another regime attempt to bolster its fighting manpower.

However, As-Safir’s report indicates that Damascus has far more ambitious plans for the Fifth Corps.

“The Fifth Corps is not just a new force being added to the system of Syrian army forces and allied units, it is an important turning point for the ties between allied forces within the same axis,” the newspaper said, in reference to the wide array of militia units, including Hezbollah and other Iranian-backed Shiite units, that fight on behalf of the Bashar al-Assad regime.

“The formation of the Fifth Corps… will [usher in] peak cooperation and coordination between the quarter of Syria, Iran, Russia and Hezbollah,” the report boasted.

As-Safir added that the Fifth Corps could be the “nucleus” for a “Syrian National Mobilization,” a reference to the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Front umbrella front of militias given official sanction by the government.

According to the newspaper, the Desert Falcons and Liwa al-Quds militias, two of the larger pro-regime forces in northwestern Syria, will spearhead the Fifth Corps, however the report did not specify where it will operate, saying only that it could “attract volunteers in particular from the east.”

The formation of the Fifth Corps comes over a year after Russia helped create the Fourth Assault Corps, another auxiliary unit that As-Safir said offered valuable lessons for its successor force.

“Field trials and battles… revealed some errors and insufficient levels of coordination,” As-Safir said of the Fourth Assault Corps, which brought together fighters from the Syrian Social Nationalist Party and Baath Party’s militias in the Latakia province.

“All of these errors are subject to examination… which will be reflected in the entry of the Fifth Corps.”

NOW's English news desk editor Albin Szakola (@AlbinSzakola) wrote this report. Amin Nasr translated Arabic-language source material.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Dec 2016 20:03

the HZB generals are very Savvy and they don’t think and act like “arabs”. One thing is for sure , the Zionists are shit scared of them . Imam Nasrallah is a cool dude who i’m sure must have studied Sun Tzsu, because he never fights the way the enemy expects him to fight, and he always returns fire.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Dec 2016 20:13

Syrian conflict is not limited to Russia versus West or Turkey but its more deeper and is Shia Sunni conflict for infulence in ME.

Iran , Iraq , Egypt , Russia are direct party in this conflict .....Egypt went extra mile of getting into Saudi bad books to support Syrian government.

Fund flow from Shia Government and Donors alike ......Even if Assad goes his Wife or some other Alawite or Shia leader will be in power thats gamed into this conflict from start up.

Assad is just a front face today and indeed this was also the official Assesment of CIA given to congress.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 20:26

Lebanese are a mix of arabs, french and phoenicians a ancient trading people also settled in coastal algeria and morocco.

I think educationally and culturally the lebanese, iranians, iraqis, egypt , turks having a bedrock of old civilization show the higher capability and achievement of middle east peoples. You would find people from these lands in good cos and univs outside middle east.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Dec 2016 20:33

Dr Shahid ‏@DocPakistan 21h21 hours ago
#AlQaeda #JFS (#Nusra) released New video accusing #Erdogan of making a Deal with #Putin on #Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57GgloGVa4