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#Breaking | STUNNING remark by Solicitor General Tushar Mehta in the Supreme Court. ‘@dir_ed is waiting to arrest @KartiPC’, says Tushar Mehta.

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pankajs wrote:Modi is a Gandhi bhakt. It should have been apparent by now.

For others, any association with the name of Nathuram Godse has created problems. In 1991, Shiv Sena Chief Bal Thackeray drew flak when he declared his admiration for Nathuram Godse at a Pune election rally

darshan wrote:

Vikas wrote:^ ArjunPandit Ji, Who are these people. She won Bhopal against darling of C-cystem.
If C-system doesn't like her, they can suck it.
How would we know when is time and place. Maybe the time and place is now and here.
If not now then when ? If not these battles, then which ones ?
For long C-system has owned the narrative. Its time to reclaim it back.
Like Karthik Ji said, She is one of the reason, Paki world is not celebrating 'Saffron Terror' bogey.

Do 90% of Hindu voters understand the saffron terror plot?

Yes, she won. What's next? Can she win that again and again? What's her plan to win MP for Hindus and get it back from INC?

I don't follow so if you do.
Which Hindu causes relevant to Bhopal has she delivered on or working towards delivering? IIRC, there are lot muslim related issues in this region.

syam wrote: most of the current bjp supporters are born out of upa crisis. bjp not doing anything to gain new supporters. if this continues, i am afraid bjp will turn into another husk got rotted from inside.

darshan wrote:

Vikas wrote:^ ArjunPandit Ji, Who are these people. She won Bhopal against darling of C-cystem.
If C-system doesn't like her, they can suck it.
How would we know when is time and place. Maybe the time and place is now and here.
If not now then when ? If not these battles, then which ones ?
For long C-system has owned the narrative. Its time to reclaim it back.
Like Karthik Ji said, She is one of the reason, Paki world is not celebrating 'Saffron Terror' bogey.

Do 90% of Hindu voters understand the saffron terror plot?

Yes, she won. What's next? Can she win that again and again? What's her plan to win MP for Hindus and get it back from INC?

I don't follow so if you do.
Which Hindu causes relevant to Bhopal has she delivered on or working towards delivering? IIRC, there are lot muslim related issues in this region.

darshan wrote:

syam wrote: most of the current bjp supporters are born out of upa crisis. bjp not doing anything to gain new supporters. if this continues, i am afraid bjp will turn into another husk got rotted from inside.

Describe rotted.
Are you saying that BJP won only because UPA was gutting Hindus and not because country would have been bankrupt due to corruption?

Vikas wrote: Darshan ji, We are digressing from the issue. What exactly is the objectionable statement she has made ?
Why so much of noise. What is the grief with her ?

Rishi_Tri wrote: If the present dispensation is smart she shall be projected as The One, The One who survived and represents the plight and strength of HIndus. Let alone MP, she has the power and charisma to deliver whole of India. She is the next gen - make her campaign across India. Issues are umpteen - resettlement in Kashmir, Kashi and Mathura, Sabarimala, Conversion,..

Rony wrote:

Rishi_Tri wrote: If the present dispensation is smart she shall be projected as The One, The One who survived and represents the plight and strength of HIndus. Let alone MP, she has the power and charisma to deliver whole of India. She is the next gen - make her campaign across India. Issues are umpteen - resettlement in Kashmir, Kashi and Mathura, Sabarimala, Conversion,..

+1 . Its a shame BJP caved in so easily. It will confuse their Hindutva supporters on what BJP stands for . If Bible and Koran with so much hateful messages towards kafir Hindus and heathen Hindus are allowed in this country, if Owaisi is considered as secular and invited to panel discussions, then why are Pragya's words so offensive ? Pragys is a symbol of Hindu resistance and perseverance. She should be celebrated by so called Hindutva party and not shamed and shunted off because anti-Hindutva people have a meltdown.

Rsatchi wrote:

Rony wrote:
+1 . Its a shame BJP caved in so easily. It will confuse their Hindutva supporters on what BJP stands for . If Bible and Koran with so much hateful messages towards kafir Hindus and heathen Hindus are allowed in this country, if Owaisi is considered as secular and invited to panel discussions, then why are Pragya's words so offensive ? Pragys is a symbol of Hindu resistance and perseverance. She should be celebrated by so called Hindutva party and not shamed and shunted off because anti-Hindutva people have a meltdown.

Ronyji
He always says he abides by the constitution!!!
Now whether that is true or E-Taqqiya who knows
In today's world sirji swear by the constitution but rest to 'Goli Maaro!!!' is the mantra

If Bible and Koran with so much hateful messages towards kafir Hindus and heathen Hindus are allowed in this country, if Owaisi is considered as secular and invited to panel discussions, then why are Pragya's words so offensive ? And what exactly she said which is offensive ? Pragya is a symbol of Hindu resistance and perseverance. She should be celebrated by so called Hindutva party and not shamed and shunted off because anti-Hindutva people (who anyway wont be appeased by any amount of BJP appeasement) have a meltdown.

Godse lives in the hearts of people across length and breadth of the country.

She blotted the memory of Gandhi.

It has long been the established norm in India that any honest debate about the policies of MK Gandhi and the motivation of Godse for committing the murder of Gandhi is taboo. While defending the act of murder is unconscionable, not evaluating and having an honest debate on the subject is equally, problematic. While all of that is true, one must also evaluate what purpose do statements like that one made by Sadhvi Pragya serve and whether the reaction by the Congress and even the BJP is justified.

There are three questions that must be asked to understand the crux of the issue.

Q1. Is Sadhvi Pragya right in calling Nathuram Godse a Deshbhakt ?

The question can be assessed independent of Sadhvi Pragya as well and that’s how it should be assessed. Whether or not Godse was a patriot doesn’t depend on what one Member of Parliament, such as Sadhvi Pragya, says. Also, the parliament is not the ideal place to discuss such ideas, however controversial. Ideally, it should take place in the media and academia. Ironically, our media and academia, say universities like JNU, have no issues hosting and debating extreme ideas that advocate the eradication of Hinduism, but they want to censor such debates.

Nonetheless, coming back to the original questions and to Sadhvi Pragya, the BJP MP was already chastised and even publicly humiliated for having called Nathuram Godse a patriot earlier. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is the tallest BJP leader in the current era, said that he can’t forgive Sadhvi Pragya ever for her comment on Godse earlier. With such a background, it was silly of her to repeat it. It was indiscipline and BJP taking punitive action against her internally can be justified, though it is debatable as to why she should be removed from any parliamentary committee.

Q2. Can Nathruram Godse be called a patriot after having killed Mahatma Gandhi ?

Nathuram Godse was the killer, the assassin who took MK Gandhi’s life. There is no debate there. However, the debate arises when one is to assess that can Godse be called a patriot or not, and that debate has been sparked by Sadhvi Pragya.

To evaluate whether Godse can be called a patriot, we need to understand a couple of things. First, what MK Gandhi’s policies were doing to the country at the time and secondly, what Godse’s motivations were.

Dr BR Ambedkar once wrote to Laxmi Kabir, who he subsequently married, “My own view is that great men are of great service to their country, but they are also at certain times a great hindrance to the progress of the country. Mr Gandhi had become a positive danger to this country. He had choked all the thoughts. He was holding together the Congress which is a combination of all the bad and self-seeking elements in society who agreed on no social or moral principle governing the life of society except the one of praising and flattering Mr Gandhi. Such a body is unfit to govern a country. As the Bible says that sometimes good cometh out of evil, so also I think good will come out of the death of Mr Gandhi. It will release people from bondage to supermen, it will make them think for themselves and compel them to stand on their own merits.”

Beyond the words of Dr BR Ambedkar, one need not say much to evaluate the first contention – what Gandhi’s policies were doing to the country at the time.

The only source of knowledge we do have of his motivations comes from a book by G.D. Khosla, one of the Judges who passed the judgment of his death. The book is reproduced on a website dedicated to celebrating the life of Mahatma Gandhi.

From the accounts produced by Khosla in his book, it becomes abundantly clear that Godse’s grouse is with Gandhi and Gandhi alone and no one else. It’s also quite evident that Godse is a product of his times, a time in history that witnessed immense bloodshed, millions of Hindus were slaughtered and millions of others were displaced. And he held Gandhi to be responsible for it and thus, set out to eliminate him.

Khosla recalls Godse as saying, “Gandhiji began to hold his prayers meetings in a Hindu temple in Bhangi Colony and persisted in reading passages from the Koran as a part of the prayer in that Hindu temple, in spite of the protest of the Hindu worshippers there. Of course, he dared not read Geeta in a mosque in the teeth of Muslim opposition. He knew what a terrible Muslim reaction there would have been if he had done so. But he could safely trample over the feelings of the tolerant Hindu. To belie this belief I determined to prove to Gandhiji that the Hindu too could be intolerant when his honour was insulted.”

At another point, Godse says, “Gandhiji in fact succeeded in doing what the British always wanted to do in pursuance of their policy of ‘Divide and Rule’. He helped them in dividing India and it is not yet certain whether their rule has ceased.”

Godse was also fully aware of the consequences of his action. He knew that his name and reputation would be tarnished beyond recognition for all eternity. But he did it anyway because of his personal conviction.

Since Gandhi’s action, in Ambedkar’s words, were detrimental to India, can Godse be called a patriot ? To answer that question, one must ask – if one commits a crime, however condemnable, is he precluded from being a patriot ? The answer is certainly – no. Whether he was a patriot or not depends on which side of the spectrum one belongs to and there should certainly be a debate that surrounds it, however, to say that because Godse committed murder, he cannot be a patriot is fallacious causation that is furthered for political gains.

It is thus clear that murder is a crime, and patriots can also commit a crime when overpowered with emotions. Just as the aspect of being a patriot doesn’t justify the murder, the act of murder doesn’t’ invalidate the patriotism.

Q3. If Rahul Gandhi can forgive his father’s killers, why does he hate Gandhiji’s killer so much ?

Not just Rahul Gandhi, even the Congress party has forgiven those who assassinated Rajiv Gandhi, the former Prime Minister of India and father of Rahul Gandhi, the former president of Congress party. They want to move on. They think people should be full of love and one shouldn’t hate even assassins. After all, Mahatma Gandhi himself said that ‘hate the sin, love the sinner’. Then why do they fail to show the same love towards Nathuram Godse ?

It is pure politics. Congress has no hope in Tamil Nadu and they need DMK support. Further, the uber-liberal Rahul Gandhi has supported extremist Dravidian ideologies in name of ‘dissent’, the same ideology that killed his father. But realpolitik demands that he must forget and forgive Rajiv Gandhi’s killers if he has to have any hope on 40 Lok Sabha seats. Forgiving Godse has not such an advantage.

The left-liberal ecosystem has no love or respect for Mahatma Gandhi and his ideas. He has been called a racist, casteist, upper-caste Hindu who denied people like Ambedkar his due. Scroll, a left-leaning website published an interview of Wendy Doniger where she virtually blamed partition of India on Mahatma Gandhi. Arundhati Roy similarly has poured scorn and contempt on Gandhiji on more than one occasion. They hate Mahatma Gandhi with more intensity than Nathuram Godse ever hated. In fact, Godse didn’t hate Gandhi. He was angered and frustrated with Mahatma’s extreme pacifism and Muslim appeasement. And in extreme frustration and anger, he committed a crime that became a political weapon for the left to malign the right.

vishvak wrote:Gandhi had nothing to do with
* Riots
* Total breakdown of law and order by religious forces
* Partition factors, like date and boundaries that were decided suddenly
Etc

arshyam wrote:Today's BJP wants to occupy the political centre with a slight pro-Hindu tilt (never mind that people who hate them will continue to do so), and positive views about Godse is not centrist. If they want to be a true Hindu 'RW' party, then such statements would be more palatable. But they aren't, not anymore. To that extent, one may say the Sadhvi is in the wrong party, and the BJP itself erred in giving her a ticket. Maybe there will be a righter-than-BJP party in the future, but till then, such statements can serve to widen the Overton window. That's all is there to it.

Personally, as long as she didn't justify killing Gandhi, I don't see what the fuss about. She is not some gudiya to mouth platitudes, but a real person with real experiences and thoughts, not to mention having her own rights to free speech. BJP, on its part, should start acting like they are here to stay, even if they want to stay only in the political centre - a more self-assured party (eg Congress) would have simply disassociated itself from her statement saying it's her personal view and closing the matter then and there. But they just went overboard in their zeal to stay in the centre. Irony is, people who oppose them will oppose them anyway.

pankajs wrote:Modi himself is a big follower.of Gandhi. He must be upset for the party to take a stand on this.

Not everyone is suited tempramentally to every job. That is ok.

Shiv Aroor @ShivAroor

Just dropping this here to fulfil today’s pointless whataboutery quota. https://dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-nath ... na-1487048

iMac_too @iMac_too

Bureaucracy in Maharashtra is still massively Con-Pawar fiefdom. They won't allow Uddhav a free passage. Let him sail that labyrinth first. I reckon his mental make-up is not designed for complex situations.

Fadnavis could work with hostile bureaucracy coz center was with him. Uddhav doesn't have such luxury. Treacherous Fox hasn't given him power to make his life easy. Let him taste the medicine.

Rony wrote:How Lutyens media resorted to fake narrative to put Sharad Pawar on a pedestal

NDTV @ndtv

"Mahatma Gandhi was and will be our 'Margdarshak' ": Rajnath Singh in Lok Sabha

pankajs wrote:

Rony wrote:How Lutyens media resorted to fake narrative to put Sharad Pawar on a pedestal

Doesn't matter IF the news that he asked AP to take oath only AFTER the floor test is true, SP is shaken to the core and the family split is out in the open.

BJP delivered some serious blows even when it couldn't land the knockout punch and lost this round. Theek hai.

Rajdeep Sardesai @sardesairajdeep

Breaking: 6 ministers being sworn in Maharashtra: Balasaheb Thorat, Nitin Raut (Cong), Chaggan Bhujbal, Jayant Patil (NCP), Subhash Desai, Eknath Shinde (Shiv Sena).. DCM likely to be @AjitPawarSpeaks who will be sworn in next week after confidence vote.

Karthik S wrote:

vishvak wrote:Gandhi had nothing to do with
* Riots
* Total breakdown of law and order by religious forces
* Partition factors, like date and boundaries that were decided suddenly
Etc

What was his reaction to all three is more of a question, was he hypocritical in his stance is the question. Importantly, who benefited from his stance and who suffered is the question.

The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire

Ashwin Desai, Goolem Vahed

https://www.amazon.in/South-African-Gan ... 080479717X

syam wrote:think about like this, whenever some woman is in center stage in public memory, things happened. that lady generally goes through so many hardships and comes out surviving. she will be in public memory during the testing times. it is up to us how she should be treated. sadhvi is modiji test. he is failing it big time. forget the world and all the politics. this karmic land is more than that. are we forgetting what happened to the mute spectators during draupadi vastrapaharan? no one going to score any browny points with karma by worshiping gandhi. on other hand, the dharma will destroy us if we mistreat women or let someone insult them. we don't wage wars for slaves or loot. we wage war for the honor of our women. it's bad enough that she was tortured, and now every guy telling her to what to do. just keep that in mind. /rant-end

pankajs wrote:

pankajs wrote: Doesn't matter IF the news that he asked AP to take oath only AFTER the floor test is true, SP is shaken to the core and the family split is out in the open.

BJP delivered some serious blows even when it couldn't land the knockout punch and lost this round. Theek hai.

Confirmation by the chief CON dalal ... Multisourced now .. All doubts cleared

https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep/sta ... 3785522177

Rajdeep Sardesai @sardesairajdeep

Breaking: 6 ministers being sworn in Maharashtra: Balasaheb Thorat, Nitin Raut (Cong), Chaggan Bhujbal, Jayant Patil (NCP), Subhash Desai, Eknath Shinde (Shiv Sena).. DCM likely to be @AjitPawarSpeaks who will be sworn in next week after confidence vote.

Vanara @AgentSaffron

BJP govt got Sadhvi Pragya get justice. She'd have died in jail otherwise.

BJP gave her ticket from a super safe seat.

BJP didn't take action against her for first time.

BJP govt gave her parliamentary committee post.

Still BJP is accused of ill-treatment of Sadhvi.

A_Gupta wrote:.