Indian Police Reform

[Avinash R]

^ Agree to a large extent. Narco analysis is one of the techniques to get out some leads from a non cooperating person who is suspected to be involved in a crime. Using these leads and solving the case depends upon the skills of the investigating officer and the conviction of the accused to a major extent depends upon the govt appointed prosecutor.

Earlier police used the standard method of thrashing a person until he told where the weapon was. A search would be done, and the weapon found. Now instead of the thrashing, narco-analysis is done to gather more evidence and information. The police would say that the weapon was found on the basis of what the accused told during narco-analysis. Earlier the police would mention that the accused told them about the weapon during the strict interrogation .

Thrashing is still successful when it comes to small time criminals.
But today professional criminals and terrorists are trained to handle such methods and will keep their mouth shut. In such cases narco analysis remains the only option left.

[Suyogv]

^ Agree to a large extent. Narco analysis is one of the techniques to get out some leads from a non cooperating person who is suspected to be involved in a crime. Using these leads and solving the case depends upon the skills of the investigating officer and the conviction of the accused to a major extent depends upon the govt appointed prosecutor.

Earlier police used the standard method of thrashing a person until he told where the weapon was. A search would be done, and the weapon found. Now instead of the thrashing, narco-analysis is done to gather more evidence and information. The police would say that the weapon was found on the basis of what the accused told during narco-analysis. Earlier the police would mention that the accused told them about the weapon during the strict interrogation .

Thrashing is still successful when it comes to small time criminals.
But today professional criminals and terrorists are trained to handle such methods and will keep their mouth shut. In such cases narco analysis remains the only option left.

Narco analysis, Brain mapping and Polygraph tests are not considered as a evidence in most of the countries. But in India Narco analysis is still consider as a valid test. All the above mention test can easily be manipulated by shear willpower. And Harc core criminal and Terrorists know how to keep there brain in control. Our Govt is just spending around 40,000~100,000Rs on each session of this tests. (PS even in USA/ UK this tests are useless)

[Avinash R]

Narco analysis can be very useful in cracking cases and if all members of terror modules are arrested then, even if the high cost you are mentioning for these tests are true, then they are worth it. They help in saving lives and preventing reoccurence of future attacks. Check these reports.

http://www.rediff.co.in/news/2008/apr/22simi.htm

The investigation into the various incidents of terror across the country got more meaningful following the recent arrest of several Students Islamic Movement of India activists in Indore.

Intelligence Bureau officials had been keeping a tab on these men ever since Riazuddin Nasir and Yahya Khan who were arrested in Karnataka gave details about these men during both interrogation as well as the narco analysis tests conducted on them.

another case

http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullst ... wsid=91801

Hyderabad, September 6: A key suspect in the Hyderabad blasts Kaleem alias Rafeeq is understood to have revealed during narco-analysis test on Sunday that he had supplied mobile phone SIM cards to the operatives of terror outfits from Bangladesh.

During the narco-analysis test conducted by the Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) in Bangalore, Rafeeq "corroborated'' the version given by his associate Syed Imran Khan who underwent the test earlier, the police said.

He is said to have admitted that he had played a key role in arranging logistical support to a terror module in Hyderabad.

[ramana]

Kerala Police to be equipped with cellphones: every one from beat cop on up.

[Tanaji]

The problem with narco analysis is that police have started viewing it as a short cut and an alternative for old fashioned detective work. Notice the clear abuse of it and the failure in the recent high profile murder case of the girl in Noida whose doctor father was arrested , then the servants and all subjected to narco analysis...

How does pumping someone full of drugs result in him telling "truth"? All brain mapping gives is a graph of electrical activity of the brain when asked certain questions. The test administrator then "interprets" that graph as to whether the person is telling truth or not. The theory is that certain areas of brain are excited only when the subject knows about it... but this has never been proved definitely. Another fallacy is that drugs cause the person to tell the truth. All it does is change the person state of consciousness and reduce inhibition. He may or may not say some things that may or may not be the truth. This is nothing but quackery of the finest grade.

IF someone makes the argument that it is going to save the person from a thrashing, then that argument has merit. IF someone is saying this is a great detective tool, then it is most definitely not. There is no alternative to hard work and pain staking gathering of clues and analysis, which the proponents of this snake oil are positioning this as.

[Virupaksha]

The problem with narco analysis is that police have started viewing it as a short cut and an alternative for old fashioned detective work. Notice the clear abuse of it and the failure in the recent high profile murder case of the girl in Noida whose doctor father was arrested , then the servants and all subjected to narco analysis...

How does pumping someone full of drugs result in him telling "truth"? All brain mapping gives is a graph of electrical activity of the brain when asked certain questions. The test administrator then "interprets" that graph as to whether the person is telling truth or not. The theory is that certain areas of brain are excited only when the subject knows about it... but this has never been proved definitely. Another fallacy is that drugs cause the person to tell the truth. All it does is change the person state of consciousness and reduce inhibition. He may or may not say some things that may or may not be the truth. This is nothing but quackery of the finest grade.

IF someone makes the argument that it is going to save the person from a thrashing, then that argument has merit. IF someone is saying this is a great detective tool, then it is most definitely not. There is no alternative to hard work and pain staking gathering of clues and analysis, which the proponents of this snake oil are positioning this as.

Tanaji,
It is used as corroborative evidence. That means, singularly it has no legal standing. Whatever he shoots out during the narco analysis has to be investigated, no doubt. All it does is, you are on a high and therefore when asked questions, you have a "greater chance" of telling truth. It is not the zinda tilismath, no doubt.

[Tanaji]

Yes. Legally if the person confesses during a narco test, that confession cant be used against him. However, the information divulged can be used as corroborative evidence. For example if the person said "I killed him", it cant be used. But if he says "I killed him and the knife is at xxx" and if the police find the knife at xxx with his prints on it, then that evidence is acceptable.

Which is why the police love narco tests. It shifts the onus of finding evidence from them to the test.

[pgbhat]

I am no legal expert but AFAIK "confessions" from a narco analysis itself is not admissible in court, however court will permit narco analysis on a suspect to gather "incriminating" evidence.
I guess it is court's way of discouraging cops from administering third degree treatment on suspects.

[Suyogv]

In my personal opinion Narco and Third degree both are not that accurate.
1) To stop the pain a person will confess any thing.
2) A strong willpower will easily manipulated the brain waves.

[Sachin]

Kerala Police to be equipped with cellphones: every one from beat cop on up

And as per plan every police station in Kerala would be having a computer with a broadband internet connection. They are also planning to use stuff like e-mails for inter-station and H.Q communications. Only doubt I have regarding mobile phones, how effective it will be? A police station would be having around 30 men - and who can remember the mobile numbers for all of these folks? Secondly, I don't know whether a group calling facility would be provided on these cell phones. The biggest advantage wireless sets had - an entire police district could be alerted all at once by giving a call on the wireless. Over all I have felt that if configured properly wireless communication is a simpler process (than dialing in, phone ringing etc. etc.)

Whatever he shoots out during the narco analysis has to be investigated, no doubt. All it does is, you are on a high and therefore when asked questions, you have a "greater chance" of telling truth.

Exactly. Infact police uses this (or ideally should use) this as only a way to make a person talk. After that it is all investigative work. Yes, so instead of plain and simple torture this is to make a person lose his inhibition and consciousness and talk. BTW, there was another crude method police men used even before narco-analysis became popular. The suspect is detained (not arrested), and for a couple of days made to starve. The day after, he is given a good doze of brandy, and if required a sumptuous meal. With this, the person would have already reached a stage where he just wants to get some good sleep, and that is when the interrogation begins . The day-time labourer who used to come to our home for daily odd-jobs, had to undergo this once (he was suspected to be a mass-murderer). He only was released because the day he was in the lock-up another similar murder took place.

I am no legal expert but AFAIK "confessions" from a narco analysis itself is not admissible in court

For that matter confession in front of a police officer is invalid too. Only a confession in front of a judicial magistrate is valid. The only difference to this was the erst-while POTA, in which a confession made in front of a police office of and above the rank of a Superidentent (SP) was admissable.

A strong willpower will easily manipulated the brain waves

I am not sure how accurate is this finding. In Kerala the recent happenings in a notorious scandal, has shown that Narco Analysis does help the police (or CBI in this case gather evidence). The accused (two catholic priests and a nun) were even trained by a criminologist to with stand the normal interrogation of the CBI.

[AjayKK]

Narco analysis, Brain mapping and Polygraph tests are not considered as a evidence in most of the countries. But in India Narco analysis is still consider as a valid test.

Brain mapping was 'accepted' in one case, though not as the only evidence. LINK
The judge accepted the findings of the test.

A girl Aditi Sharma was accused of killing her ex-boyfried Udit, both from Jammu and studying in Pune. She gave him 'prasad' laced with arsenic. The arsenic was found in vis-cera. The 'prasad' was found with Aditi. however, defence insisted that the 'prasad' packet was fabricated by the police and Udit attempted suicide. The ''missing link'' was that no evidence was found of Aditi ''handing over'' prasad to Udit.

The prosecution got Brain Electrical Oscillation Signature (BEOS) test, a form of mapping done on Aditi. In the test, questions were asked such as "Is sky blue" , "Did you buy prasad" , "Is your name Aditi" , "Did you give prasad to him at McDonalds?" . In this test, the accused may not answer, but blood flow is measured and the parts of the brain ''light up''.

The judge Smt.S. S. Phansalkar-Joshi accepted the test, though she also commented that '' no evidence needs to be established of Aditi giving Udit" the prasad.

She has appealed in the high court. An interesting case nevertheless.

PDF Link.
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This is the rare instance of it being accepted. The BEOS can be easily disputed. All it needs is a ''strong'' defence (who can understand what BEOS is) to point out to the judge that parts of the brain ''light up'' due to many reasons and it need not be in response to the questions of the panel.

Your Honour, When Aditi was asked "Did you give prasad to him at McDonalds?" her brain might have lit up beacause she likes McDonalds. The BEOS cannot differentiate between what caused the brain activity. Was it the incidence of giving prasad or was it the rememb rance of any previous meeting at McDonalds? Thus, the sawaal is of no significance.

IMHO, i agree that there is no alternative to hard work and pain staking gathering of clues and analysis .

[ramana]

EDITS | Tuesday, March 10, 2009 | Email | Print |


Rights and wrongs

The Pioneer Edit Desk

Solution lies in police reforms

It would appear that the problem of police excesses in India continues to persist with the National Human Rights Commission having received more complaints of human rights violations against the police than against the mafia and other criminal elements. According to available statistics, last year the NHRC received 94,559 complaints of human rights violation out of which 35,341 complaints, which is about one-third, were against the police across the country. These figures point to something seriously wrong with the police in India. Though ours is supposed to be a modern, progressive country with a vigourous judiciary and a thriving free media, the record of the police regarding human rights has been a blot on the nation. There is no doubt that the country is facing the scourge of terrorism and other forms of anti-national activities that call for a strong response. And it is also true that terrorists cannot claim protection under human rights. However, it has been noted that the complaints pending with the NHRC are largely by those who do not have such extreme associations, and many of them are by ordinary citizens. While criminals have to be apprehended and prosecuted, this has to be done according to the law. Human rights violations by the police can take the form of extra-judicial killings, custodial deaths and torture. No civilised, democratic society can condone such brutality. Therefore, these acts of violence need to be condemned and those responsible for the same need to be accordingly punished.

At the same time one must remember that police brutality is symptomatic of a larger rot in the system, and thus, what is desperately required are police reforms so that innocents are not unnecessary harassed while those who are guilty of violating the law are punished only in accordance with the law. It is not that Governments have been unaware of police excesses and of the importance of police reforms. These have been under discussion since the 1960s and there have been periodic attempts to review police procedures. But not much has changed on the ground. Unfortunately, there has been political resistance to these reforms. Successive Governments have promised of reforming the police but none has lived up to its commitment. In fact, political misuse of the police is part of the problem and is one of the main reasons why corruption flourishes in our law and order system. Thus, the problem is not a straight-forward one. Nonetheless, the police must not be allowed to become a lawless element as this would be a threat to our liberal democracy. Therefore, it is the need of the hour that the country develop sufficient political will to curb police excesses through far-reaching systemic reforms.

[sum]

X-post:

IPS joinees put through the grind

CHENNAI/ERODE: Indian Police Service (IPS) probationers were trained in jungle warfare techniques by the Special Task Force of Tamil Nadu in the Mudumalai Hills forest range. The weeklong training concluded on Tuesday.

As many as 101 probationers, including 21 women, undergoing training at the Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel National Police Academy, Hyderabad, and eight probationers from the Royal Bhutan Police Service, spent a week in the dense forests, learning strategies required for jungle warfare.

The probationers, who reported at the STF Jungle School at Sathyamangalam, were exposed to reflex shooting, jungle tactics and survival and animal behaviour. They were trained in skills such as ambush and counter-ambush operations, night march, tent-pitching, river-crossing and rock climbing. They were also sensitised to wildlife protection and forest conservation.

He said the probationers spent the past three days in the jungle without camp tents, cooked food or packaged water. “They had to live on food obtained in the forest and harvest water from natural sources. While one probationer was stung by a scorpion, another was injured in a bison attack. Two probationers slept close to a python all night without knowing it was there…”

"Jungle warfare training will now be part of the training module for IPS probationers. They did well…though physically tired, they were mentally charged,” he said.

Very good move, IMO....

[Vipul]

Pune company equips Gurgaon police with GPS-enabled radios.

A call is received on 100, at the police control room. It is instantly routed to the first available policeman on duty while, almost simultaneously, a database begins a search to find the address associated with the number. As soon as that is confirmed, a giant digital screen in the police control room, displaying the map of the area, shows up not just the location of the call but also nearest available police station, the police personnel on duty in that area and police vehicles in the vicinity.
Immediately, a text message is sent to the identified force to respond to the case. The time lag for the entire sequence of events is 10 seconds till the identification of the location of the caller, and one minute till the assigning of the case.

A futuristic vision of the way the police needs to function in the country? Not really. More of a report on how the Gurgaon police are working at present, thanks to the new-age GPS system that they installed a month ago. Devised by the Pune-based Geotrackers, the defining feature of this system are the 200 radios with built-in GPS that the Gurgaon police have equipped their fleet of patrol parties, jeeps and motorcycles with, making it the first police force in the country to do so.

This has enabled exact and real-time monitoring and tracking of their ground forces, taking response time to an emergency to a whole new level of efficiency.

“The contract for the project was given to us two years ago and we started with the dry runs in January,” said Ajay Mittal founder of Geotrackers, which has its engineering and manufacturing base in Pune and the head office in Delhi.

The Rs 2-crore project, formally inaugurated on February 15, comprises a theatre-sized projection screen on which the digital map of Gurgaon is projected with locations of the police vans, motorcycles, SHOs, officers on duty displayed as per colour coding. Using the Advanced Vehicle Location System, the location of the Dial-100 caller is displayed on this map along with locations of the nearest police force that can be deployed as per the seriousness of the call.

“Police forces in other parts of the country too use GPS; what’s unique about the Gurgaon initiative is the GPS-enabled radios that their personnel and vehicles now carry, which makes it easy for the control room to monitor their activities, patrolling habits, routes, halts and so on at all times. We have devised these radios in partnership with another company Thunderbird,” said Mittal, an IIT alumni who founded Geotracks a couple of years ago in partnership with his wife Madhavi Bhode (a computer science postgraduate) and IIM graduate Lux Jan.

“The discipline and efficient communication of the ground forces that the system enables is the need of the hour given today’s security requirements,” said Jan, the Delhi-based partner of the company.

Nevertheless, the Gurgaon police force has been the only one in the country to go in for the system till now. “We have written to the police heads of all the states explaining the system but not surprisingly few have responded,” said Mittal.

Perhaps, Pune police are listening.

[Sachin]

“We have written to the police heads of all the states explaining the system but not surprisingly few have responded,” said Mittal.

A similar system is in place in Kerala, in Trivandrum City. Instead of GPS enabled radio devices, a GPS device is fixed to police patrol vehicles. The positions of the vehicles get marked on a map inside the Control Room. The despatch happens via the regular wireless sets. Tvm. City Police also have access to a database provided by the DoT. Based on the incoming call number, the address details of the caller would be displayed automatically.
From the web site of Thiruvananthapuram City Police

[ramana]

Looks like the re-equipment after the attack has been also botched up

Mumbai Police modernisation generates controversy

Mumbai Police modernisation generates controversy

Praveen Swami

Weapons purchased without conducting field tests or evaluating the competitive technologies

MUMBAI: Ill-planned efforts to upgrade the counter-terrorism capabilities of the Mumbai Police may have led to the acquisition of outdated and inappropriate weapons, highly placed government sources told The Hindu.

Last month, the police placed orders for four new weapons without conducting field trials to determine their effectiveness in local conditions or evaluating the competing technologies.

The police planners selected the Colt M4 5.56-millimetre carbine for assault roles, the Brügger & Thomet sub-compact MP9 for close-protection duties, the Smith & Wesson Military and Police 9-millimetre pistol as a personal side-arm and the M107 50-calibre Special Application Rifle.

But experts in the National Security Guards and the Army told The Hindu that the choices made were less than transparent.

For example, the United States military special forces are replacing the Colt M4s with new-generation European-made weapons. And the state-of-the-art MP9 is intended to protect VIPs in environments where it is inappropriate to display guns—a responsibility the Mumbai Police does not have.

The M107 SAR, a lethal weapon designed to penetrate armour and bullet-proof glass, has been selected despite the risk of collateral damage and the fact that the Mumbai Police have no range on which personnel could be trained in its use.

Opaque committee


Highly placed police sources said the weapons were chosen by a committee comprising Police Commissioner Hasan Gaffur, Additional Commissioner of Police (Protection) Vinay Khargaonkar and Joint Commissioner of Police (Traffic) Sanjay Barwe.

Off the record, Mumbai Police officials said the force chose to bypass testing and competitive evaluation procedures because of the urgent need for new weapons.

Mr. Gaffur did not respond to phone calls and a text message seeking information on how the weapons systems were chosen.

Notably, the committee did not hold consultations with the Maharashtra Police and the National Security Guards (NSG), which have primary responsibility for counter-terrorism roles in Mumbai.

Force One


On April 2, the Maharashtra government passed orders creating Force One, a 350-man crack special weapons and tactics formation modelled on the National Security Guards. According to the order, Force One, than the Mumbai Police, will have the primary responsibility of counter-terrorism operations in the city—making it possible the expensive weapons the committee ordered will never be used.

Later this year, the NSG will begin operations from a new 25-acre facility in the city’s Kalina area. The NSG personnel in Kalina will be equipped with much of the special equipment the Mumbai Police had ordered, including the M107 SAR and the Brügger & Thomet MP9.

Union Home Ministry officials in New Delhi, who granted permission to the Mumbai Police to import the new equipment last month, declined to comment on the controversy. “It is our job to act as a facilitator of modernisation and not to sit in judgment on what equipment best meets the needs of a particular state. While we may have our concerns, we do not wish to be cast as spoilers,” a senior official said.

So something is not right here. but hwo knows atleast they are trying to get some stuff to supplement the .303 rifles.

Does the Indian Army have the M107 SAR? Not likely.

The weapons look like military ones and then question of ammo comes. Two of the weapons are US made. Are they setting up for later failure due to lack of ammo? And the M4 is it like the AR-15? Then the ammo issue becomes huge.

[putnanja]

Fighting a war: 1 fan for 14 CISF men, 1 toilet for 26

The band of 26 jawans of the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) who lost 10 colleagues in a nine-hour battle with over 300 Maoists at the navratna Nalco’s explosives warehouse live in abysmal conditions.

The Indian Express visited two metal container-cum-barracks at the Panchpatmali magazine and saw that the jawans lie in cots stacked in parallel, with hardly any space to move around. In the gruelling afternoon, a single standfan whirs in one corner in a room with 14 jawans.

...
The jawans are left with nothing after the Maoists looted even their personal toiletries, ATM cards, clothes and mobile phones. After repeated complaints, Nalco installed a water purifier at the barrack. It’s not been working for two months. “The water tastes awful,” said a jawan. Every morning is an ordeal — there is only one toilet for the 26 people.

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The 5-foot-high barbed wire fencing has rusted away in several places and the watchtowers could not withstand bullets from self-loading rifles and AK-47s during Sunday night’s firing. “If only Nalco had fenced the entire magazine with new barbed wires complete with concrete bases and high sentry towers, there would have been no casualties on Sunday night. All CISF casualties happened in the first 10 minutes of attack,” said Deputy Inspector General of Police (south-western range) Sanjeeb Panda.
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“It’s a temporary structure and the barracks are near the mines. So we can’t build concrete structures for them,” said Nalco spokesperson Harish Pradhan. Why was there no proper fortification of the compound that houses the explosive warehouse? “We have done enough,” said Pradhan.
...

The government should either ask NALCO( and other organizations to which security is provided) to provide sufficient resources, or charge them and use the money for providing basic resources. It is sick that basic amenities like safe water, toilets etc aren't provided to the jawans, nor is basic security being taken care of.

[Sriman]

So something is not right here. but hwo knows atleast they are trying to get some stuff to supplement the .303 rifles.

Does the Indian Army have the M107 SAR? Not likely.

The weapons look like military ones and then question of ammo comes. Two of the weapons are US made. Are they setting up for later failure due to lack of ammo? And the M4 is it like the AR-15? Then the ammo issue becomes huge.

M4 carbine is the shorter version of M16A2 (which is based on the AR15). It uses 5.56x45mm NATO ammo.

[Sachin]

The government should either ask NALCO( and other organizations to which security is provided) to provide sufficient resources, or charge them and use the money for providing basic resources. It is sick that basic amenities like safe water, toilets etc aren't provided to the jawans, nor is basic security being taken care of.

I feel every agency which takes the help of police forces for their own safety does practically nothing for giving some comfort to the police men deployed there. They are all just taken for granted, and be it sun-shine or hell-fire they are to stand guard at the place. There was also reports that when Bangalore Airport was commissioned, the security staff (from local police) did not have simple amenties provided for them.

[Suyogv]

The government should either ask NALCO( and other organizations to which security is provided) to provide sufficient resources, or charge them and use the money for providing basic resources. It is sick that basic amenities like safe water, toilets etc aren't provided to the jawans, nor is basic security being taken care of.

I feel every agency which takes the help of police forces for their own safety does practically nothing for giving some comfort to the police men deployed there. They are all just taken for granted, and be it sun-shine or hell-fire they are to stand guard at the place. There was also reports that when Bangalore Airport was commissioned, the security staff (from local police) did not have simple amenties provided for them.

Can any one tell me from where this Naxals got american weapons?

[Rahul Mehta]

Can any one tell me from where this Naxals got american weapons?

CIA, MNCs. And Christianists of US, who want to harvest one billion souls.

.

[ramana]

Google Book linked by paul

Intelligence and Imperial Defence

very good background to IB and SB in local police during British period.

[putnanja]

CRPF men open fire, kill one in Karnataka

One person was killed and three injured in Karnataka Friday when Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) personnel fired on a group of people after a verbal duel with them, police said.

...
"The youth were 'lathicharged' (baton charged) by the CRPF men which enraged the locals who rushed to stop the security personnel from leaving the place. At this point shots were fired by the security personnel from inside one of their vehicles killing one person and injuring at least three others," the spokesperson said.


...
A week back policemen from Kerala clashed with people on a beach in Mangalore. The policemen were arrested and are now out on bail.

[ramana]

So something is not right here. but hwo knows atleast they are trying to get some stuff to supplement the .303 rifles.

Does the Indian Army have the M107 SAR? Not likely.

The weapons look like military ones and then question of ammo comes. Two of the weapons are US made. Are they setting up for later failure due to lack of ammo? And the M4 is it like the AR-15? Then the ammo issue becomes huge.

M4 carbine is the shorter version of M16A2 (which is based on the AR15). It uses 5.56x45mm NATO ammo.

So it cant use the INSAS bullet? Wont that make it dependent on imported bullets and the cost bogey?

[putnanja]

AP cops go on rampage, gun down one

[ramana]

RaviBG, Those were CRPF cops who were Telugu speaking. They were not AP police.

maenwhile E-Book

Indian Police- J.C. Curry

[sum]

RaviBG, Those were CRPF cops who were Telugu speaking. They were not AP police.

ALL papers and channels described them as being from AP police special branch!!!
Even the AP police DIG visited Dharmasthala after the firing...So, they were CRPF men?

[ramana]

AP cops go on rampage, gun down one

from this report:

Friday’s incident in Dharmasthala was over a trivial issue. According to sources, 100 policemen from a CRPF battalion based in Andhra Pradesh were on their way to back to their State via Arsikere when they decided to pay obeisance to Lord Manjunatheshwara. When the policemen were about to leave the temple after darshan, a cricket ball hit their bus.

[Sachin]

ALL papers and channels described them as being from AP police special branch!!!

It certainly would not be the SB CID of AP Police? A bus load of special branch police men? Most likely they would be from the CPMF or from some of the Armed Police units of AP like the grey hounds.

Mean while in Socialist Republic of Kerala, the left-leaning police association had tried to raise money to help the Kerala Police men who were creating ruckus at Mangalore. These police men from Thrissur Armed Reserve Police camp were boozed to the core and tried to harass women at a beach in Mangalore. The local police and people caught them and all of them are now facing a trial. The government has ordered that there should not be any raising of funds by police organisations to protect these policemen.

[sum]

A bus load of special branch police men? Most likely they would be from the CPMF or from some of the Armed Police units of AP like the grey hounds.

Papers did mention them as anti-naxalite forces (i assumed them to be the Greyhounds).

But, as Ramana-garu has pointed out, it was DDM at work.


Btw, heard that the two "absconding" Nokia managers (they were hounded by the B'luru police with wanted posters all over the place after a reportee named them in her suicide note nearly a year back) have returned to work after they surrendered and were granted bail a couple of months back.

[Sachin]

Btw, heard that the two "absconding" Nokia managers have returned to work after they surrendered and were granted bail a couple of months back.

Looks like the media has conviniently forgotten the episode. And the police too may have not found much evidence to nail the two.

[ramana]

All I would like to work on a collaborative project to mind map the Internal Security threats and their external links in every region of India. Sachin I request you to lead on a parallel on the agencies that are there to counter these.

Any takers?

[chetak]

CRPF IG, seven others arrested in recruitment scam

[Sachin]

Sachin I request you to lead on a parallel on the agencies that are there to counter these.

Fine ramana. Would try to drop in a PM to you on this .

[ramana]

Already replied.

Thanks, ramana

[AjayKK]

A sad and poor judgement sends the person who did his duty into prison for 14 years.
Mockery of justice indeed.
if you dont fire, you only face dept. inquiry or action.
If you fire, you get such terms.
Why should any force then take action?

Ramabai Nagar firing: Officer gets life term

Mumbai: Twelve years after 10 persons were killed in police firing on a mob protesting against an insult to a statue of Babasaheb Ambedkar at Ramabai Nagar, a fast-track court sentenced sub-inspector Manohar Kadam to imprisonment for life.

Kadam, who was commanding a State Reserve Police (SRP) platoon on that day, had ordered his men to open fire to disperse the rioters on the morning of July 11, 1997.
Announcing the verdict at 1pm on Thursday, the court at Sewree held that Kadam's order was without justification. Additional ad-hoc sessions judge SY Kulkarni rejected Kadam's argument that he had acted in the public interest.

Kadam said the mob was about to set fire to an LPG tanker and a luxury bus on the highway. He also argued that he was only exercising his right to self-defence.

When judge Kulkarni asked Kadam to explain any mitigating circumstances for showing him leniency, he said: "I have a son and daughter to look after. In my 36 years of police service I have not erred anytime. On that day, I only performed my duty as the circumstances compelled me to take the decision."

The local police called the SRP after they failed to take action.
Later one of those acted as a witness against Kadam!

[AjayKK]

A completely political verdict.
MH goes to the polls in Oct-Nov.

After completely failing to rule for 10 years, this is done to get one vote-bank to your side by employing such commissions and verdicts.

And the drunk joker Athawale who cant construct two grammatical sentences without adding inanities wants the state to appeal in higher court for Death penalty.
With such 'Dalit' leaders ( who keep jumping LS constituencies, since they twiddle their thumbs during their terms), God save the community

Btw, when Athawale went to Ramabai Nagar after the incident he got badly beaten up. The police had to shield him and carry him out.



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[AjayKK]

Read this report to get the perspective.

http://www.expressindia.com/news/ie/dai ... 50173.html

Another article excerpt. Read it in full.

'My father did no wrong'

"We have suffered enough for the past 12 years. Who will account for those days of agony? We know our father did no wrong," cried Jai Kadam, daughter of State Reserve Police Force (SRPF) Sub-inspector Manohar Kadam, speaking to MiD DAY from their Ramtekdi residence in Pune.

Jai, a final year BCom student, was glued to the TV screen all morning yesterday, scanning for news of the verdict. A little past noon, as the channels flashed the news of his conviction, the family broke down. Hundreds of SRPF staffers and locals visited the house in solidarity.

She added that she has never seen her father in a cheerful mood ever since the incident. He was always under pressure and his suffering and pain were visible. After the incident, he was initially suspended and then an inquiry was initiated. Later, he was arrested, and released on bail, and now convicted.

"I always advised him to resign from service, but he would not listen," Jai added.

Cops back Kadam, call judgment harsh

MUMBAI: There is overwhelming support for State Reserve Police Force (SRPF) sub-inspector Manohar Kadam among the city police and the general sentiment in the rank and file is that justice has not been done to him.

Although serving officers are reluctant to say anything on record, they feel the government should not have sanctioned the prosecution of Kadam in the first place as the firing was done in the course of duty.

IPS officer-turned-lawyer Y P Singh, who once headed an SRPF group, termed the judgment "very unfortunate''. Former Mumbai police commissioner Julio Ribeiro called it "a great travesty of justice''.

"We won't fire on a mob even if the city is burning,'' said an assistant police inspector. Another sub-inspector said, "If you don't take action, you will face a departmental inquiry at the most, but who wants to be jailed for taking action.''

An additional police commissioner said force and extent of force to be used is a subjective matter and is best left to the man on the spot. "One should try and put himself in the shoes of the policeman who faces the ground reality,'' he added

Both Ribeiro and Singh pointed out that Kadam was pitchforked into a tricky and dangerous situation because of the lapse of the local police. "It was the job of the local police to take charge of the situation. What can you expect from an SRPF platoon which is totally unfamiliar with the local conditions and is trained as a striking force?'' asked Ribeiro.

[Sachin]

A sad and poor judgement sends the person who did his duty into prison for 14 years.11

Hope ex-IPS officer (now lawyer) YP Pawar takes up this police man's case and take it to the higher court. If this continues, a time would come when police men would be a group of people who would be inside a building (police station) doing nothing. And I feel this is exactly what the crooked politicians want (so that it is their goons who would become the law-enforcers).

[Sachin]

Sachin I request you to lead on a parallel on the agencies that are there to counter these.

Taking this forward. Can we have a list of states, and also the major threats which we know these states face?