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Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 14 Mar 2010 08:07
by Malayappan
A new arrogance in the Middle Kingdom
The result of China’s speedy economic recovery, even as the advanced nations continue to reel, is a hubris that bodes ill for both itself and the world
says Prof Pranab Bardhan. Article in Business Standard

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 14 Mar 2010 09:00
by SSridhar
China wants High-speed Rail Link through India to Pakistan
Excerpts
China wants to build a high-speed rail line connecting its south-western city of Kunming to New Delhi and Lahore, part of a 17-country transcontinental rail project, officials familiar with the plans told The Hindu.

. . .ambitious pan-Asian high-speed rail link, which envisages connecting cities in China to Central Asia, Iran, Europe, Russia and Singapore.

One proposal involves a line running from Kunming, in south-western Yunnan province, to New Delhi, Lahore and on to Tehran, according to Wang Mengshu, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering and one of the country's leading railway consultants.

India is a relatively small country with a huge population,” he told The Hindu in an interview. “It will be too costly to build highways for India, so our high-speed rail link project will improve transportation efficiency and resources. I am confident we can finally reach an agreement, which will greatly help exports to the Indian Ocean direction.” He said talks with Indian officials were “friendly,” and they had been “welcoming” of the idea.

When completed, the plan will give China unprecedented access to energy resources in many of these countries.

China will bear the brunt of the cost of building the high-speed rail lines in many of the countries involved, but will in return get access to energy resources in a proposed “resources for technology” arrangement, the Global Times reported.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 15 Mar 2010 03:57
by Ameet
Google '99.9%' certain to pull China search plug

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/dd69e680-2e06 ... abdc0.html

Google has drawn up detailed plans for the closure of its Chinese search engine and is now “99.9 per cent” certain to go ahead as talks over censorship with the Chinese authorities have reached an apparent impasse, according to a person familiar with the company’s thinking

Echoing comments Eric Schmidt made the first week in March, The FT says that a decision on the matter could come soon, but the pink 'un also says the web giant may "take some time" to actually follow through with the closure and find ways of ensuring that local employees are protected from action by the government.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 15 Mar 2010 07:35
by Airavat
Dalai Lama backs Uighurs

"Let us also remember the people of East Turkestan who have experienced great difficulties and increased oppression," he told about 3,000 Tibetans in Dharamsala, the northern Indian hill town where the Nobel Peace prize winner has lived for five decades. "I would like to express my solidarity and stand firmly with them."

A commentary in the official Xinhua news agency called the speech "resentful, yet unsurprising," saying it was full of "angry rhetoric."

Protests led by Buddhist monks against Chinese rule in March 2008 gave way to torrid violence, with rioters torching shops and turning on residents, including Han Chinese and Hui Muslims.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 15 Mar 2010 08:45
by sanjaykumar
THANK YOU DALAI LAMA

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 15 Mar 2010 08:46
by svinayak
sanjaykumar wrote:THANK YOU DALAI LAMA
Pieces of the puzzle is falling into place

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 15 Mar 2010 08:51
by Vivek K
The game is getting more dangerous and the stakes higher.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 15 Mar 2010 11:38
by amit
SSridhar wrote:China wants High-speed Rail Link through India to Pakistan
Excerpts
China wants to build a high-speed rail line connecting its south-western city of Kunming to New Delhi and Lahore, part of a 17-country transcontinental rail project, officials familiar with the plans told The Hindu.

. . .ambitious pan-Asian high-speed rail link, which envisages connecting cities in China to Central Asia, Iran, Europe, Russia and Singapore.

One proposal involves a line running from Kunming, in south-western Yunnan province, to New Delhi, Lahore and on to Tehran, according to Wang Mengshu, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering and one of the country's leading railway consultants.

India is a relatively small country with a huge population,” he told The Hindu in an interview. “It will be too costly to build highways for India, {I wonder has opium made a comeback in China? He says this after more than 90 per cent of the Golden Quadrilateral system has been completed} so our high-speed rail link project will improve transportation efficiency and resources. I am confident we can finally reach an agreement, which will greatly help exports to the Indian Ocean direction.” He said talks with Indian officials were “friendly,” and they had been “welcoming” of the idea.

When completed, the plan will give China unprecedented access to energy resources in many of these countries.

China will bear the brunt of the cost of building the high-speed rail lines in many of the countries involved, but will in return get access to energy resources in a proposed “resources for technology” arrangement, the Global Times reported.

This piece of news should be read with the one immediately above it:
Malayappan wrote:A new arrogance in the Middle Kingdom
The result of China’s speedy economic recovery, even as the advanced nations continue to reel, is a hubris that bodes ill for both itself and the world
says Prof Pranab Bardhan. Article in Business Standard
They actually believe they can build a rail line from China via India to Lahore? And the Indians are going to gush with gratefulness for the Chinese helping us with our exports? Also I suppose the poor Indians will pay for the rail line with free access to our coal and iron ore deposits?

If this hubris is official thinking (and not propaganda, remember that's a important tool in a communist dictatorship) then it's pretty certain that things are going to do down a long spiral. The sad part is, the rest of the world is going to have to take quite a lot of pain as the CCP starts to unravel.

Unfortunately India will be in the forefront of the blowback.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 15 Mar 2010 11:48
by Philip
Two reports indicating a dangerous change in tack by the PRC's mandarins of Zhongnanhai.
China's trasformation has been remarkable since Deng Xiaoping unleashed capitalism, but as ex-diplomat George Walden writes in China: a Wolf in the World? you cannot feel at ease with a regime that still covers up Mao's murderous nihilism. He reminds us too that China has never forgiven the humilations inflicted by the West when the two civilizations collided in the 19th Century, and intends to exact revenge. Handle with care.
Is China's Politburo spoiling for a showdown with America?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comm ... erica.html

"Is he Politburo smoking weed?"

EXcerpt:
The long-simmering clash between the world's two great powers is coming to a head, with dangerous implications for the international system.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
14 Mar 2010

US President Barack Obama shakes hands with Chinese ambassador to America Zhou Wenzhong on the Great Wall of China Photo: Reuters
China has succumbed to hubris. It has mistaken the soft diplomacy of Barack Obama for weakness, mistaken the US credit crisis for decline, and mistaken its own mercantilist bubble for ascendancy. There are echoes of Anglo-German spats before the First World War, when Wilhelmine Berlin so badly misjudged the strategic balance of power and over-played its hand.

Within a month the US Treasury must rule whether China is a "currency manipulator", triggering sanctions under US law. This has been finessed before, but we are in a new world now with America's U6 unemployment at 16.8pc.

"It's going to be really hard for them yet again to fudge on the obvious fact that China is manipulating. Without a credible threat, we're not going to get anywhere," said Paul Krugman, this year's Nobel economist.

China's premier Wen Jiabao is defiant.

"I don’t think the yuan is undervalued. We oppose countries pointing fingers at each other and even forcing a country to appreciate its currency," he said yesterday. Once again he demanded that the US takes "concrete steps to reassure investors" over the safety of US assets.

"Some say China has got more arrogant and tough. Some put forward the theory of China's so-called 'triumphalism'. My conscience is untainted despite slanders from outside," he said

Days earlier the State Council accused America of serial villainy. "In the US, civil and political rights of citizens are severely restricted and violated by the government. Workers' rights are seriously violated," it said.

"The US, with its strong military power, has pursued hegemony in the world, trampling upon the sovereignty of other countries and trespassing their human rights," it said.

"At a time when the world is suffering a serious human rights disaster caused by the US subprime crisis-induced global financial crisis, the US government revels in accusing other countries." And so forth.

Is the Politiburo smoking weed?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/791345cc-2f9c ... ck_check=1

Excerpt:
SE Asia arms purchases fuel fears of clashes
By Kathrin Hille in Beijing and Tim Johnston in Bangkok

Published: March 14 2010
Military analysts are warning that China’s increased regional power has caused its south-east Asian neighbours to step up their own defence purchases, raising the prospect that territorial disputes in the South China Sea could turn violent.

Siemon Wezeman, a senior fellow at the arms transfers programme at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (Sipri), said that several south-east Asian countries had “dramatically” stepped up their purchases of submarines, fighter aircraft, and long-range missiles in recent years.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 16 Mar 2010 07:49
by Malayappan
From the article posted by Abhishek Sharma in the Tech & Economic Forum -
China Uses Rules on Global Trade to Its Advantage from NYT
in the last 12 months, Beijing has filed more cases with the W.T.O.’s powerful trade tribunals in Geneva than any other country complaining about another’s trade practices
In addition, Beijing has worked to suppress a series of I.M.F. reports since 2007 documenting how the country has substantially undervalued its currency
people familiar with China’s response said that the Chinese government missed the November deadline and then submitted a vague document containing mostly historical data. These people said that China feared giving ammunition to critics of its currency policies at the monetary fund and beyond. Both people asked for anonymity because of China’s attitudes about its economic policies.
Countries blocking release are mostly tightly controlled places like Myanmar, Sudan, Turkmenistan and Saudi Arabia, although Brazil has also not released its reports.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 18 Mar 2010 14:00
by Juggi G
Dalai Lama Takes Pride Being Called 'Son of India' :D
Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama Expressed his Pleasure at being Introduced as the " Son of India " Saying he took Pride in this status.

He began his lecture at the Madhya Pradesh assembly auditorium on Wednesday Saying He had been Living in India for the past 51 Years and was Proud to be Called the Son of the Country.

The Dalai Lama was referred to as a "Son of Mother India" when he was introduced to the audience at the lecture.

The Buddhist Leader said that the same "Dal" and "Chapatti", on which Millions of Indians Live, made his Life Easier. :D

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 20 Mar 2010 19:46
by A_Gupta

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 21 Mar 2010 21:54
by VinodTK

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 22 Mar 2010 05:05
by A_Gupta
Press tries to be freer in China.
Governor Li’s confrontation with the reporter neatly illustrates the yawning gap between the government’s promises of openness and accountability and the daily reality of censorship. Just two days earlier, Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, reading aloud his annual report to the National People’s Congress, China’s legislature, cited the need for the government to “let the news media fully play their oversight role.”

Yet Mr. Li, a delegate to the legislature, grew indignant when a Beijing reporter buttonholed him outside a conference chamber at the Great Hall of the People and asked for his thoughts about the case of the karaoke waitress. The 21-year-old waitress had fatally stabbed a local party official after he and a companion tried to force her into sex at a karaoke parlor.

Despite official efforts to suppress the scandal, the waitress’s arrest on murder charges incited online fury, drawing worldwide attention and turning the waitress into a national hero. The charges were reduced, and she was freed without serving a prison term.

By all accounts, Mr. Li did not take the question well. He asked the reporter, identified as Liu Jie, which publication she represented. When she said she wrote for People’s Daily, the Communist Party’s paper of record, he exploded.

“So you’re from a party paper!” he scolded. “Is this how a party paper guides public opinion? I’m going to the chief of your paper!”

He then snatched her recorder and stalked off toward the elevator, according to a report on the Web site of the independent-minded Beijing magazine Caijing.

Caijing’s report survived online for 18 hours before government censors ordered it removed. Caijing responded by publishing criticisms of the governor’s conduct by two of the party’s liberal elders: Zhou Ruijin, former deputy editor of People’s Daily, and Zhong Peizhang, former news director for the party’s propaganda department. Censors ordered both taken down.

But so far, authorities do not appear to have stopped the online spread of the protest letter about the episode, although they have blocked the Web site of the protest’s prime organizer.

By late last week, the March 14 letter had garnered more than 1,000 signatures. It calls on the legislature to investigate the governor’s conduct and to force him to apologize and resign from his official posts. It cites the governor’s rank, the “sacrosanct” setting and the fact that “Wen Jiabao’s words were still ringing in our ears” when the governor delivered his diatribe.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 22 Mar 2010 08:57
by Karan Dixit
Myron Brilliant, senior vice-president for international affairs, who has previously helped to protect Beijing from hawkish trade policies, told the Financial Times: "I don't think the Chinese government can count on the American business community to be able to push back and block action [on Capitol Hill]."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/03/21/ ... cnn_latest

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 22 Mar 2010 09:44
by svinayak
China is surrounded by hostile forces militarily ready to block its possible aggression. The communist regime does not have a real navy and its air force is pretty much defensive. No overseas bases. Not a single military ally. For 60 noisy years, the communists were not even able to cross the Taiwan Strait. They made a few bucks all right but they are far from a world power. USSR collapsed almost overnight, leaving literally no time for some academically-prepared folks to even make a comment about it. China is no USSR, not even close. They might think of doing something but they do not possess the means of doing it. After the Korean War, Communist China tried a few military clashes with India, the USSR (very small scale) and then Vietnam as you mentioned. Did they win anything? I doubted. They are problem-loaded, crucial, strategic reserves/resources are running out, not to mention domestic social unrest in Tibet, and the vast NW Muslim area.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 22 Mar 2010 18:33
by joshvajohn
China's 'pearls' spook Indian observers
http://www.guardianweekly.co.uk/?page=e ... 0&catID=17

The second reason for the jaundiced view of the Rajapaksa administration by the West could be the link up with China. Rajapaksa was once again blessed with tremendous fortunes because China around 2005-7 was in the process of building up its ‘String of Pearls’ in the Indian Ocean — to project its naval power — and saw Hambantota as one of the most attractive of the pearls in the string.
http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2010/03 ... brace.html

Sheikh Hasina goes to China
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/n ... nid=130080
News that China is pressing ahead with the construction of yet another port in the Indian Ocean – this time in Sri Lanka – has led to alarm in India that the strategic ‘string of pearls’ China is building along the lucrative trade routes from Africa to Asia could become an expensive choker on the Indian economy. But India is not taking the move lying down.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs. ... nt&src=sph

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 22 Mar 2010 18:41
by songfeihong
Acharya wrote:China is surrounded by hostile forces militarily ready to block its possible aggression. The communist regime does not have a real navy and its air force is pretty much defensive. No overseas bases. Not a single military ally. For 60 noisy years, the communists were not even able to cross the Taiwan Strait. They made a few bucks all right but they are far from a world power. USSR collapsed almost overnight, leaving literally no time for some academically-prepared folks to even make a comment about it. China is no USSR, not even close. They might think of doing something but they do not possess the means of doing it. After the Korean War, Communist China tried a few military clashes with India, the USSR (very small scale) and then Vietnam as you mentioned. Did they win anything? I doubted. They are problem-loaded, crucial, strategic reserves/resources are running out, not to mention domestic social unrest in Tibet, and the vast NW Muslim area.
Hi mate,

Your words were true 20 years ago, your words are right now, and your words may still be true in 20 years. But China is still standing. Will China last another 20 years? Let's wait and see. :lol:

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 22 Mar 2010 19:50
by RamaY
SSridhar wrote:China wants High-speed Rail Link through India to Pakistan
Excerpts
China wants to build a high-speed rail line connecting its south-western city of Kunming to New Delhi and Lahore, part of a 17-country transcontinental rail project, officials familiar with the plans told The Hindu.

. . .ambitious pan-Asian high-speed rail link, which envisages connecting cities in China to Central Asia, Iran, Europe, Russia and Singapore.

One proposal involves a line running from Kunming, in south-western Yunnan province, to New Delhi, Lahore and on to Tehran, according to Wang Mengshu, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering and one of the country's leading railway consultants.
Great Idea IMHO!

India should encourage China to build it with PRC money using Indian companies. India should use the Indian portion of it for its internal requirements and cancel all cross-border trade with PRC. This will be another Beijing-Lhasa (did I get it right?) line.

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India is a relatively small country with a huge population,” he told The Hindu in an interview. “It will be too costly to build highways for India, so our high-speed rail link project will improve transportation efficiency and resources. I am confident we can finally reach an agreement, which will greatly help exports to the Indian Ocean direction.” He said talks with Indian officials were “friendly,” and they had been “welcoming” of the idea.
Peoples lipublic logic I guess. India has more arable land than China and has great natural resources. Once India discovers environmentally-sound efficiencies in agricultural and industrial development, India will be far ahead of PRC.

All this high-headedness of PRC will go away once India re-captures POK. That is the key to this whole ME/Indian-Ocean equation of China.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 23 Mar 2010 02:07
by A_Gupta
China's increasing scientific publications:
http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... blish.html

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 23 Mar 2010 02:17
by sanjaykumar
This is virtually a meaningless statistic. It is for the consumption of the scientific illiterates in the US congress.

Anybody who has done any research will only smirk at this, those from India might even grin.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 23 Mar 2010 02:40
by James B
A_Gupta wrote:China's increasing scientific publications:
http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... blish.html
What about quality??. I think most of these publications would be in low quality journals with a spattering of high quality publications. It means squat.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 23 Mar 2010 17:37
by A_Gupta
James B wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:China's increasing scientific publications:
http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... blish.html
What about quality??. I think most of these publications would be in low quality journals with a spattering of high quality publications. It means squat.
Well, you can go by citations.
See this, http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php, I believe it is maintained by a desi, B.B. Goel - at least that is how I found it.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 23 Mar 2010 17:40
by A_Gupta
Andher Nagari, Chaupat Raja. India has a competitive advantage here, must learn how to capitalize on it.
When the four Rio Tinto executives were arrested last year by state security agents, Chinese state media said they had sought to obtain secrets about Chinese steel production and procurement that could aid Rio Tinto in its attempts to keep the price of iron ore high.

When the charges were filed a few weeks later, they were downgraded to bribery and theft of “commercial secrets,” rather than espionage. Prosecutors did not explain the change at the time. They have also not made clear how the bribery charge subsequently morphed into a guilty plea for accepting bribes, or how accepting bribes relates to stealing commercial secrets.

In court testimony on Monday, three employees of Rio Tinto, including Stern Hu, an Australian national, and two Chinese nationals who work for the company, admitted to receiving several millions of dollars in bribes, according to lawyers involved in the case. The lawyers also said the three and a fourth Rio Tinto employee, who is expected to enter a plea on Tuesday, were being accused of taking more than $12 million in bribes as well as stealing commercial secrets.
....

Beginning Tuesday afternoon, the four executives are also expected to be charged with stealing commercial secrets. That part of the trial is closed even to Australian consular officials.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 23 Mar 2010 21:21
by James B
A_Gupta wrote: Well, you can go by citations.
See this, http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php, I believe it is maintained by a desi, B.B. Goel - at least that is how I found it.
Look at the citations per document. It is 4.61. That indicates that the quality of papers being published from China is even lesser than papers published from India (5.7). The citations from China is totally driven by volume rather than quality.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 23 Mar 2010 21:24
by Hari Seldon
The citations from China is totally driven by volume rather than quality.
Good point. But like Russian (and now chinese!) military doctrines say:
Quantity has a quality all of its own
Concern is cheena won't remain low-quality for another generation. O no. What'll we jingoes hold onto for comfort and reassurance then?

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 23 Mar 2010 21:42
by James B
Hari Seldon wrote:
The citations from China is totally driven by volume rather than quality.
Good point. But like Russian (and now chinese!) military doctrines say:
Quantity has a quality all of its own
Concern is cheena won't remain low-quality for another generation. O no. What'll we jingoes hold onto for comfort and reassurance then?
There is no comfort to hold on to for jingoes even now. With the kind of funding that China is providing to their research institutes and aggressive recruiting of their diaspora from western countries to these institutes, China will takeover western countries sooner than later in terms of quality science.

OT

But I also see that the tide is changing in India as far as science is considered. There is now increased funding to the research institutes, opening of new research & training institutes and increase in the number of quality publications in reputed international journals and more and more R2Is by the scientists trained in western world. Hopefully desh will increase its publications both quantitatively and qualitatively. IMVHO.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 24 Mar 2010 01:14
by Katare
US researchers would usually exclude chinese papers from their initial searches. When we use Chinese research/data we would usually rely on it only if we have similar supporting data available from somewhere else. But the quality and quantity of research is improving with each passing year, some of the researchers have made a good name for themselves. I am sure with time more Chinese researchers would improve in quality and ethics.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 24 Mar 2010 04:04
by jamwal
amit wrote:China wants High-speed Rail Link through India to Pakistan
Excerpts
China wants to build a high-speed rail line connecting its south-western city of Kunming to New Delhi and Lahore, part of a 17-country transcontinental rail project, officials familiar with the plans told The Hindu.

. . .ambitious pan-Asian high-speed rail link, which envisages connecting cities in China to Central Asia, Iran, Europe, Russia and Singapore.

One proposal involves a line running from Kunming, in south-western Yunnan province, to New Delhi, Lahore and on to Tehran, according to Wang Mengshu, a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering and one of the country's leading railway consultants.


Most likely this rail line is passing through Paki-Chinese occupied J&K.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 24 Mar 2010 05:53
by Sudip
Cyber Hackers Target UK
The ISC blamed the attacks on government-backed hackers from China and Russia and even said that Islamist terrorists were also behind some of the attacks.
“There is no doubt some state actors have sucked out huge amounts of intellectual copyright, designs to whole aero engines, things that have taken years and years of development.”

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 24 Mar 2010 22:01
by Fidel Guevara
How China's '50 Cent Army' Could Wreck Web 2.0
Two years ago, Chinese President Hu Jintao called on Chinese Communist Party (CCP) members to “assert supremacy over online public opinion, raise the level and study the art of online guidance and actively use new technologies to increase the strength of positive propaganda.”

After Hu's speech, Communist Party officials and the State Council issued an official call for “comrades of good ideological and political character, high capability and familiarity with the Internet to form teams of Web commentators ... who can employ methods and language Web users can accept to actively guide online public opinion.”

The CCP has hired thousands of freelance Internet propagandists whose job is to infiltrate chat rooms, message boards and comment areas on the Internet posing as ordinary users to voice support for the agenda and interest of the CCP. They praise China’s one-party system and condemn anyone who criticizes China’s policy on Tibet. They comment aggressively on news reports about China’s food-safety problems, relations with Taiwan, suppression of bird-flu and AIDS information, Internet censorship, jailing of dissidents, support of Sudan’s military in Darfur and other sensitive topics. Comments applaud the Chinese government and slam its critics, all using scripts and lines approved by the party.

With 300,000 people, you can see how the CCP could easily determine what makes it onto the front page of Digg, and what gets shouted down. They could use Wikipedia, YouTube and Slashdot as their most powerful tools of global propaganda. It would be trivial for China to determine Yahoo's "Most Popular" news items ("Most E-Mailed," "Most Viewed" and "Most Recommended").

Over the long term, the existence of China’s 50 Cent Army erodes the value of the Web 2.0, which is based entirely on the actions of users. If half those users are working for the CCP, then the results of user actions are compromised. Nobody can trust it.

It’s also yet another threat to Internet anonymity, which is already under pressure from legislators and some organizations who believe that anonymous posts create opportunities for fraud, deception and the exploitation of children. The more China’s 50 Cent Army succeeds, the more support will fall behind the idea of fixing the problem by illegalizing anonymity.

Ultimately, China’s 50 Cent Army threatens free speech. And although new threats to free speech are constantly being invented – the 50 Cent Army being one of the most recent innovations – the defense of free speech is always the same: More free speech.

So be on the lookout for the CCP’s paid posters, and oppose them at every opportunity.
If you check out the "Comments" section of any news article about China, you can see two clear distinctions : websites that implement strict registration policies (no free email etc) tend to have fewer pro-China comments. Those websites which are free for all usually tend to be bombarded with pro-CPC propaganda. All things being equal, you would assume registration guidelines would not have an effect on the viewpoints expressed (neutral websites only, not jingo sites).

For example, comments on Aussie sites would be almost uniformly borderline-to-blatantly racist against India, regardless of the registration requirements. This indicates the normal pulse of the people. In the case of China, the difference is quite obvious, and indicates an extraneous factor at work.

Now I wonder how many of the "best/most popular video/article of the week" that I have seen, was actually chosen for me by the CPC, and a more deserving article was drowned...

Even Phoonk Sundari can't undo the 50-Cent Army...we need to call in the Chaar Rupaiya Fauj.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 25 Mar 2010 05:06
by Airavat
Asia Society conference in New Delhi
At the conference the theme was "India – Powering Asia's Ascent." The US might have been expected to be the cheerleader for such a theme, but it was Victor Zhikai Gao, a westernized Beijing adviser, who enthusiastically called for China and India to see their disputed Himalayan mountain border "not as an insurmountable barrier" but as a "bridge linking these two ancient civilizations together, for mutual benefit, and for mutual enrichment" – while a senior US official merely recited a years-old list of economic reforms that American business wants India to implement.

Jairam Ramesh, India's environment minister and India's chief international negotiator on climate change, admitted that both countries were using each other for their own reasons, but added: "Partnership with China is a strategic message that we can collaborator and co-operate," even when the media was polarizing differences. "Negotiating with China is a headache for the United States. But negotiating with both India and China together is a nightmare", he added with a grin.

Gao had the same theme. The Chinese, he said, "share a collective sense of gratitude for India for having provided the spiritual richness which has so splendidly filled the spiritual void in the traditional Chinese civilization. This should be the foundation upon which China-India relations should be built upon and thrive".

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 25 Mar 2010 09:28
by Karan Dixit
Dell's said to be joining Google in fleeing China in search of a "safer environment with [a] climate conducive to enterprise," potentially taking the $25 billion it spends on equipment and parts in China to India.

http://gizmodo.com/5500886/dell-leaving ... s-in-india

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 25 Mar 2010 09:48
by Singha
the comments section seem to display a strong support for the yindu. quite unusual imo.
but could be because anyone touches apple/google and 300 mil armed sher khan citizenry
is ready to pound them on the web :-o

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 25 Mar 2010 09:54
by svinayak
Google is part of the US govt and has national security council inside Google.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-0TUt61ws
Tarpley: US gov uses Google proxy to attack China
Beijing has criticised U.S internet giant Google, after it decided to withdraw its server from China and redirect users to its uncensored Hong Kong site. In January a rift grew between the two after the firm announced it would no longer censor it's services - later citing viral attacks on the accounts of human rights workers for the decision. Authorities in Hong Kong say they won't comply with the mainland in controlling the company's web content. But investigative journalist Webster Tarpley thinks the belief that moving operations to Hong Kong will solve the problem, is naive.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 26 Mar 2010 02:01
by Fidel Guevara
Acharya wrote:Google is part of the US govt and has national security council inside Google.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-0TUt61ws
Tarpley: US gov uses Google proxy to attack China
And the US would be foolish if they did not use this EXCELLENT intelligence tool. Foreign govt officials may not use Google in their offices, but they or their family probably are on GMail and/or search on Google. If not Google, then Yahoo, or Facebook or any of the multiple US-based services.

Given a wide enough base of observation, a CIA analyst can probably triangulate a govt official/corporate honcho's weaknesses and "inclinations", along with some actual intel, e.g. "Big Boss XYZ likes this weird type of p0rn, and his wife is having a secret affair", or "Honcho ABC has a drug addiction".

What can such people say when the black-suits come knocking at their door with a proposition and clear consequences of non-cooperation.

A friend of mine who works at a telco told me that if laws permitted him to snoop, he could quite easily get to know a person better than their spouse...their calls, their location, web searches, emails, affairs, addictions, tax evasions, unpopular political views, etc.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 26 Mar 2010 02:39
by sanjaykumar
A friend of mine who works at a telco told me that if laws permitted him to snoop, he could quite easily get to know a person better than their spouse...their calls, their location, web searches, emails, affairs, addictions, tax evasions, unpopular political views, etc.



Why would anyone assume that each keystroke is not being monitored in real time?


Th eonly thing surprising about the internet's utility in espionage is that paranoid delusions do not encompass net spying- I expect to see a DSMIV diagnostic category. Well perhaps because one could not prove these people wrong. :wink:

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 27 Mar 2010 08:00
by Gerard
280,000 pro-China astroturfers are running amok online
If you thought corporate "astroturfing" (fake grassroots activity) was a problem at sites like Yelp and Amazon that feature user reviews of products, imagine how much worse it would be if the US government employed a couple hundred thousand people to "shape the debate" among online political forums. Crazy, right? What government would ever attempt it?

According to noted China researcher Rebecca MacKinnon, the answer is China, which allegedly employs 280,000 people to troll the Internet and make the government look good.

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 27 Mar 2010 10:01
by ashi
Karan Dixit wrote:Dell's said to be joining Google in fleeing China in search of a "safer environment with [a] climate conducive to enterprise," potentially taking the $25 billion it spends on equipment and parts in China to India.

http://gizmodo.com/5500886/dell-leaving ... s-in-india
It is quite embrassing such a mistake was made in prime minister level.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... v05o&pos=6

Re: People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Posted: 27 Mar 2010 11:42
by Karan Dixit
There is nothing embarrassing. It is quite possible that Dell could be flip flopping.

Here is another angle:

March 26 (Bloomberg) -- Dell Inc. Chief Executive Officer Michael Dell said in a conversation with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh that the south Asian nation is poised to become a technology manufacturing center.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-0 ... ate1-.html