“The coming Eid would expectedly be observed on 9/11, this a golden opportunity for President Obama to offer Eid prayers at Ground Zero and become Amir-ul-Momineen or Caliph of Muslims. In this way, all the problems of Muslim World would be solved,” he thought.Nandu wrote:How did we miss this?
Paki minister wants Obama to take the title of Amir-ul-Momineen.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... ulMomineen
if 'this' is Rishi's comment then I'm absolutely in support of it, as are the rest of the mods, I'm sure.Vivek_A wrote:second that.Rishi wrote:Can people ease up on the naked bigotry? Its kinda sad and distasteful.
It's time someone came out and said it. Are the admins ok with this?
Only religious minorities can be given refuge in India, if at all, because they are the ones discriminated against, the ones persecuted. India does not discriminate whether they are Hindus, or Christians or Parsis or Jews. Muslims do not face any discrimination in Pakistan. It is a Muslim country.Neela wrote:And that is as far as GoI can safely go without opposition or its own Congress MPs crying foul. Quarantine.Brad Goodman wrote:The easiest solution for GOI is to build more fences, electrify them and mine them if necessary. In short make it amply clear to abduls from across the border that crossing the IB is worse option than staying put in their pind.
Imagine a Congress-led GoI filtering refugees based on religion as suggested in some posts above - it is a clear case of religious discrimination.Period.
Immdly after that policy is announced, the likes of HRW, TI, WWF , UN, UNICEF, FCUKI , TGIF, SHTI will all make a huge issue of it.
Madame Suzanne Roy would then suggest that an armed refugee struggle is valid given this blatant discrimination and pose for a photographs.
An essay will promptly appear in the Guardian titled "Listening to the f@rT$ of grasshoppers - the case for PAkistani refugees ".
MMS will then say that PAkistani refugees have priority over Indian resources and go back to sleep.
B.Dutt will make a trip to the refugee camp an make a passionate appeal with a malnourished kid in the background.
.....but I digress.
Get real guys. Not happening.
The influx of foreign aid after the 2005 Kashmir earthquake significantly increased survivors' trust in the West, according to new research that also suggests hard-line Islamist charities did little to help despite the publicity they generated.
desperately wooing bakisU.S. officials have cited humanitarian reasons for helping out after the floods, but have also acknowledged the possible strategic benefits of winning friends in Pakistan, a U.S. ally but one where support for Islamist extremists runs deep and anti-American sentiment is never far from the surface.
the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, Washington's support for Israel at the expense of the Palestinian people and Washington's past support for military dictators in Pakistan. Regular American missile strikes against militant targets in the northwest are also often cited as a reason.
as long as uncle supports the Israel, araps think the aid as jaziyaWashington spends many millions of dollars on humanitarian missions in the Muslim world each year, but there has been surprisingly little research on the efforts.
They often argue that anti-American sentiment is simply too entrenched in Pakistan and Afghanistan to be eroded by charity alone
Be prepared for more guboing from bakis for aid. what an assault on uncle for begging"There was skepticism and that is why we wanted to test it," said Tahir Andrabi, professor of economics at Pomona College in California and the co-author of the research. "We came up with a conclusion that aid did affect hearts and minds in Kashmir, and significantly. I don't think these people will forget," said Andrabi, who shared the study with The Associated Press before it was made public.
The paper will be presented at the University of California and the Center for Global Development in Washington later this month. It was funded by grants from the World Bank, the National Academy of Sciences and the Higher Education Commission of Pakistan.
uncle will have some dense heads in senate arguing for more aid.
Poor Mullen. Bakistan is not Indonesia.That's not why we do it, but the possibility is there. I'm hopeful that many Pakistani citizens can see a different side of America than what is often portrayed," Admiral Mullen said recently
Nadeem Ahmed, head of Pakistan's National Disaster Management Authority, said U.S. aid after the earthquake in Kashmir had a "big impact" on perceptions there because it was a relatively small area. But he had his doubts about the effects of the flood aid.
"This time the area is so huge that the United States has just gotten lost in it," Ahmed said. "I frankly don't see the impact as a strong as it was during the earthquake."
Andrew Wilder, director of Afghanistan and Pakistan programs at the U.S. Institute of Peace who has also studied the earthquake and the effect of U.S. aid programs in Afghanistan, said he had not seen Andrabi's findings and would wait to comment on them. He has previously said he doubted that foreign aid to Kashmir did much for America's standing in Pakistan.
He also was skeptical that its role in the flood response would do much, either.
"The United States has given a lot of aid to Pakistan over the years, but there seems to be no correlation between the amounts of aid given and the perception of America," he said. "I'd like to see the U.S. contributing more, but we should not be doing it on the basis of the assumption that Pakistanis will like us more. The risks are we will be disappointed."
RamaY ji,RamaY wrote:This is a slipper slope and that is what I was trying to say in my (allegedly) inflammatory post. India is not obligated to take any refugees unless they come to join India with their lands. If there ever be a refugee scenario, India should send its armed forces to cross the western border to create DMZs for these refugee camps.
India secularism has nothing to do with the criteria India uses for allowing in refugees. Refugee applications are accepted depending on whether they are a persecuted group in their home country. The question is all about the determination of which groups in Pakistan are persecuted. If India determines that religious minorities are persecuted, then only those groups should be allowed in.RamaY wrote:How can a [sic] secular India accept ONLY religious minority refugees? What kind of humanitarian strategy that would be?
JMT
Not so fast!Suppiah wrote:Pakbaric animals 'updating' economic loss figures so that more begging can be done to collect arms for Taliban...
The federal government’s earlier estimates of losses to lure a large amount of foreign aid such kullam kulla takiya..had failed to convince the international community, which made the federal government to revise the projections of losses and damage caused by the massive flooding
Floods dont seem to have affected Madrassa math & beshawar bookkeeping classesIMF chides Pak team for conflicting flood damage figures
Mr Sakib Sherani had already intimated IMF, World Bank and Asian Development Bank through email that Pakistan is going to experience the worst ever economic scenario with 0 (zero) GDP growth and 25 percent inflation in the wake of the killing deluge prior to arrival of the delegation.
Finance minister along with his own team turned up in the IMF head office with 2.5 percent GDP growth, 13 percent inflation and 4.5 percent deficit after working out the impact of flood on the economy
Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani also caused damage to the credibility of the delegation by stating that the country would be experiencing 6 to 7 percent budget deficit in the current financial year and the damage done to the economy hovers around $43 billion.
These divergent views on impact of flood; one from economic advisor wing and other from chief executive of Pakistan embarrassed the 17-member delegation in front of IMF when Fund’s top officials said that the finance ministry, economic advisor wing and prime minister of the country are not on the same page about impact of flood on economy.
Sorry for sounding like a right wing bigot, but in Pakistan only educated people should be allowed to vote.
~Ignorant nekkid KafirJames B wrote:A Paki wimmen on Twitter says
Sorry for sounding like a right wing bigot, but in Pakistan only educated people should be allowed to vote.
What percentage of population are educated (not same as literate)??
RamaY ji,RamaY wrote:RajeshA ji,
There are better alternatives IMHO.
In case of Pakistan we should use a reverse strategy. Identify/Recognize/Support potential new nations out of TSP and send back all the Hindus (as investors, industrialists etc) who migrated to India in 1947. This is what India missed to do in 1971.
The long-term peace of South-Asia lies in establishing demographic equilibrium in POWI (Pak Occupied Western India).
With all due respect sir, but what you are proposing is impossible. All the "Hindus" who migrated to India in 1947 may not even be alive. Their decendants would be born and brought up here. In any case, we can't just tell people to pack up and leave and settle in some other place thousands of miles away, unless they do it themselves for some reason. We can't move entire populations around like moving pieces on a chessboard. I can't believe such theories are being bandied about seriously over here.RamaY wrote:RajeshA ji,
There are better alternatives IMHO.
In case of Pakistan we should use a reverse strategy. Identify/Recognize/Support potential new nations out of TSP and send back all the Hindus (as investors, industrialists etc) who migrated to India in 1947. This is what India missed to do in 1971.
Finance Minister Hafeez Sheikh’s warning to officials of the state, delivered in a sombre meeting late last month, could not be clearer: the government, federal and provincial, is on the verge of financial collapse. So dire is the state of affairs that the government may not have money to pay salaries in a few months. Lest this be dismissed as hyperbole, Mr Sheikh’s comments have been echoed privately by many economists and experts familiar with state finances in recent weeks. In fact, if anything the finance minister’s comments are on the more optimistic side of dire. The basic problem is clear: the Pakistani state, all tiers of government, spends twice as much as revenue generated, while neither is expenditure being curtailed nor are revenues being meaningfully increased. At the level of the citizenry, the immediate impact is felt in the form of rising inflation (sustained budget deficits of the kind Pakistan has had over the last few years are highly inflationary in nature) while in the long term it will be felt in terms of debt servicing crowding out investments in development and infrastructure
In my scenario, they will not be going to a foreign land that is "thousands of miles" away. They will move to another state of Indian Union. Secondly it is not that scary, it has happened before.nachiket wrote:With all due respect sir, but what you are proposing is impossible. All the "Hindus" who migrated to India in 1947 may not even be alive. Their decendants would be born and brought up here. In any case, we can't just tell people to pack up and leave and settle in some other place thousands of miles away, unless they do it themselves for some reason. We can't move entire populations around like moving pieces on a chessboard.RamaY wrote:RajeshA ji,
There are better alternatives IMHO.
In case of Pakistan we should use a reverse strategy. Identify/Recognize/Support potential new nations out of TSP and send back all the Hindus (as investors, industrialists etc) who migrated to India in 1947. This is what India missed to do in 1971.
With due respect, I would say that the mods give too much leeway in the Paki thread. There are enough offenses that can be seen readily without needing members to report it. I don't report all posts that I consider offensive (and I don't mean "offensive to Pakis", I mean offensive in general) in this thread, because there are too many. I have, in the past, reported what I consider egregious violations and seen no action taken, so I didn't see the point in going on a reporting binge.Rahul M wrote: if 'this' is Rishi's comment then I'm absolutely in support of it, as are the rest of the mods, I'm sure.
unfortunately it is not always possible to police every little post especially in a fast moving thread like this one. the situation is not helped when people feel no need to assist mods by reporting offending posts.
Makes no difference. If I am an Indian citizen, nobody can even ask me to leave Mumbai and settle in Kolkata unless I decide to do it myself.RamaY wrote: In my scenario, they will not be going to a foreign land that is "thousands of miles" away. They will move to another state of Indian Union. Secondly it is not that scary, it has happened before.
What is doable is providing monetary help to people who want to move back and not repeating blunders like Article 370. That's about it. Quite different from "sending back all hindus who migrated...".The idea is to create "sufficient reason". In this scenario, they will be "reclaiming" their ancestral properties and will receive additional help from GOI.
Never said there was.Finally, there is nothing to fear or feel guilty to claim what is rightfully yours.
Altair ji , awsome.Altair wrote:Kindly indulge me for a moment. I might amuse you. Pakistan is like an ex-girl friend, a psychopathic one. Guy (India) had to break up because it was just unsustainable relationship. He married a average looking,hard working- middle class girl.She could have got the same deal but she did not take it. She had way too much ego as everyone praised her tall fair figure (36-26-38 and 176 cm tall). She was egotistic and obsessive. By Obsessive I mean she had to show everyone that she was better than the guy and prove the guy wrong. She would blame everything wrong in her life on the guy.She slept with her 3.5 boy friends who showered with lots of gifts and often tried to harm the guy. She was under the impression that she was smart and taking everyone for a ride and harming the guy. She never realized that it was her who was getting romped left right and center and will be trashed end of the day when they are done with her.
As a final act, she started to cut herself so that 3.5 BF's would come to her rescue. They did come. She was put in a hospital. She begged them to kill the guy and his family else she would commit suicide. For a moment, the 3.5 BF's thought about it. Unfortunately, they came to know that she has AIDS! They tried a couple of advanced experimental treatments spending lots of money. It was just too late. She was in a advanced stage. Doctors gave two options. Continue her in the ventilator and spend more money on untested experimental drugs,hoping for a miracle OR pull the plug.
The 3.5 BF's realized they did have lot of fun with her but it was time to put a stop. They made an arrangement with the doctor to pull the plug. It had to look as if the guy was involved. So, they ring him and invite to the hospital. When the guy comes because he is so naive and sentimental,they set him up for pulling the plug and charge him with murder. The guy ends up behind the bars.
Moral of the story: Do NOT go near the death bed of your enemy even if it is humanitarian.
If you are still reading,Thanks!
Altair
Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif has said that under present circumstances, the country cannot afford another period of martial law, as the last dictatorial regime had left the nation in a poor state.
"Anyone who wishes for a martial law in Pakistan, can not be a Pakistani.Only the enemies of Pakistan can and will wish for a martial law, as Pakistan cannot brave another martial law," the Tribune quoted Nawaz, as saying.
(takes some time to import and paint missiles green)Saying that 'enemy India' had conducted three missile tests this year, the latest being the supersonic BrahMos, the Nawa-i-Waqt complained that Pakistan had not done any test in the last three years.
'We conducted our last missile test about three years ago. Where have our defence scientists and missile technology experts gone since then?'
F-19??'Pakistan was content with the three F-16s it received from the US, while the US offered the more advanced F-19 to India,' it noted.
a combination of geography, the scale of the tragedy, and local politics in which powerful landowners have a major say in determining who is in need.
These districts are in south central punjab bordering baluchistan and sindh and in the pathway of Indus.Densely populated Punjab has the highest number of people affected by the floods - more than 8.2 million - of which 5.3 million need help urgently. Of the province’s 36 districts, Rajanpur has been hit hardest, with 1.3 million people affected.
Out of the 8.5 million people identified to be in need of shelter in Pakistan, 1.3 million have been helped so far
At the moment NGOs are concentrated in easily accessible areas two or three hours away from major towns and cities… Places like Rajanpur and D.G. Khan are not getting the attention they need.”
Landowners in Sindh and Punjab, who have enormous influence and sit on most of the committees set up to identify vulnerable beneficiaries, can sometimes be an impediment to the smooth delivery of aid.
Indian basmati exports get a leg-up as flood-hit top rival Pakistan all but exits the world market. India exports around 3.2 million tonne basmati mainly to Europe and the Middle East and often finds it hard to compete against cheaper basmati from Pakistan.
As per industry estimates, the prices of Pusa and Pusa 1121 have increased by $30 to $70 in the last one month. Basmati traditional was being quoted at $4,300 per tonne from $3,700 per tonne in June. However, with a carry-forward stock of over 3 crore bags of 50 kg each, there has been no exponential increase in prices this year, said traders.
A recent United States Department of Agriculture report states that Pakistan’s rice output is expected to decline by nearly 40% in 2010-11 to 2.3 million tonnes. Traders said major orders from international companies would come in October and November.
[/quote]KOHAT (7th September 2010 (10 minutes ago)) At least 20 killed including four children and two women and 80 injured in an explosion in the Police Lines Colony area here on Tuesday, Aaj TV reported.
The surrounding buildings have been destroyed due to the blast.
Talking to the media Commissioner Kohat Khalid Khan the blast occured after iftar.
The injured have been shifted to Kohat hospital while the death toll is expcted to rise.
Rescue efforts are underway as some people are trapped under the rubble after roofs of several buildings collpased after the explosion
SwarglokPrem wrote:As some one mentioned that Poakland has become "arrika" in Indian Ashvamedh Yagya,Is it possible for some on to put approximate $ figures for 10 year plan to Push Poaks to Swargloak?
, more like SuarlokOf course, who would have guessed that Paki jehadi's target policemen, that too after yesterday's clear statement from Taliban chief...The other important thing was that the terrorists had selected a very soft target and nobody had an idea that they could make a strike at such a place, they added.
Good training by TSPA/ISI...they should be proud of their 'boys'The blast was so devastating that it left an eight-foot deep and 20-foot wide crater. It shook the entire city and was heard in a radius of five kilometres, completely or partially destroying around 300 buildings, including a number of mosques, schools, markets, petrol pumps and shops. The police colony, comprising 35 houses, was reduced to rubble.
Asif too dark for me: Neetu
Speaking on behalf of the actress, Dale added that Neetu doesn't even know who Asif is. "When I met her, after the news came out, she asked me who Mohammad Asif was? I told her about him being a Pakistani cricket player, and showed his photograph. She almost jumped from her chair, joking, 'He's too dark. He looks so kaala'. She has never seen or met this man."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... z0ytDAwqRZ
Suppiah saar. i am personally very disappointed though. What has come to the faithfuls these days? They have used a remote controlled device in this instance not staking claim to their own 72... I am confused.At least 20 people, mostly relatives of policemen, were killed and more than 90 injured in a remote-controlled bomb blast inside a police colony on Tuesday.
The bombers were moderate pakis.rgsrini wrote:Suppiah saar. i am personally very disappointed though. What has come to the faithfuls these days? They have used a remote controlled device in this instance not staking claim to their own 72... I am confused.At least 20 people, mostly relatives of policemen, were killed and more than 90 injured in a remote-controlled bomb blast inside a police colony on Tuesday.
It is simple onlee..Let the pure live..so they can purify more at a later date...it is the impure that deserve to die (is it known as wajib-e-katl?). Remember only 20% of Paki population is potentially pure. Every one matters.rgsrini wrote:Suppiah saar. i am personally very disappointed though. What has come to the faithfuls these days? They have used a remote controlled device in this instance not staking claim to their own 72... I am confused.
I never heard this actress before. Is she new comer?Mauli wrote:Asif too dark for me: Neetu
Speaking on behalf of the actress, Dale added that Neetu doesn't even know who Asif is. "When I met her, after the news came out, she asked me who Mohammad Asif was? I told her about him being a Pakistani cricket player, and showed his photograph. She almost jumped from her chair, joking, 'He's too dark. He looks so kaala'. She has never seen or met this man."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... z0ytDAwqRZ