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SSridhar wrote:Absurd Mix of Religion and Cricket
The SMSs circulated on mobile phones throughout, requesting the recipients to recite a certain ayat-e-kareema (verse) for Pakistan’s win, is just the tip of the iceberg. The religious leaders suggesting a tasbeeh (mantra) and dua-e-haajat (special prayer) for a potential win is another one.

We were reminded of the major Armageddon being played in Mohali between haq (truth) and baatil (falsehood). We were assured that haq always triumphs over baatil, no matter what. We were reminded of our major battles of the past, where we were supposedly bruised and battered, yet we were able to emerge as victors, only because of our faith. The irony is that these emotions are peddled on a constant basis, at every juncture of our lives, cricket or otherwise.
So then haq (India) defeated baatil (Pakistan)?
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The Government, jihadis and the Public did it
A fortune teller on television, who has been 100 percent accurate previously, had forecast that if Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani went to Mohali, the Pakistani cricket team would lose the match. He was proved correct again because, along with his acclaimed knowledge of the stars, his logic that the Pakistani team would come under pressure and not perform well was on the dot. {Aha moment for me. At last, I recognize the Chankian move by Mr. Man Mohan Singh. Forget about the controversy over what chankianness was exhibited at Sharm-el-Sheikh and a few other places. Now, we have seen it at close quarters at Mohali, and working to our advantage too.}
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partha wrote:So then haq (India) defeated baatil (Pakistan)?
AoA onlee.
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Mumbai-based Shia scholar Maulana Zaheer Abbas Rizvi:

"If Allah has really given Pakistan and Pakistani Muslims such a large heart, why is it that the minorities, the Ahmedias and the Shias, live in fear there,"

That and other reactions of Indian Mohammadden Scholars to the comment of the Captain of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Shahid Afridi that “ "Indians will never have hearts like Muslims and Pakistanis. I don't think they have the clean and large hearts that Allah has given us,":

Muslim scholars slam Afridi's line
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partha wrote: So then haq (India) defeated baatil (Pakistan)?
haq eva jayate.
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arun wrote:Mumbai-based Shia scholar Maulana Zaheer Abbas Rizvi:

"If Allah has really given Pakistan and Pakistani Muslims such a large heart, why is it that the minorities, the Ahmedias and the Shias, live in fear there,"

That and other reactions of Indian Mohammadden Scholars to the comment of the Captain of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Shahid Afridi that “ "Indians will never have hearts like Muslims and Pakistanis. I don't think they have the clean and large hearts that Allah has given us,":

Muslim scholars slam Afridi's line
Wait a sec! According to Indian Muslim scholars, Ahmedis are minorities in Pak and hence not Muslims?
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Pakistan not to oppose Indian presence
Pakistan has withdrawn its opposition to India's participation in a conference on the security and reconstruction of Afghanistan.
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SSridhar wrote:Pakistan not to oppose Indian presence
Pakistan has withdrawn its opposition to India's participation in a conference on the security and reconstruction of Afghanistan.
See - they have a big heart :D
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VikasRaina wrote:Why is playing in IPL such a big deal for all Pakis? All their actions or lack of it are being attributed to playing in IPL.
Pakis are a bunch of sheep led by a media deftly manipulated by the RAPEs. A case in point is the KL-bill. Which has 0 impact on the mango abdul. In fact, I would argue that it was a positive impact on the mango abdul because it was stipulated that a bulk of the money should be spent on social development projects. In fact 500m of it has been allocated to basha dam (water + electricty + employment for mango abduls). What did we get? Abduls going:
OUTRAGED ABOUT DISHONOR TO PAKISTAN!!!
None of the mango abduls knew what KL bill was about. The frenzy was whipped up by media people, egged on by RAPEs/Establishment who were pissed that they were losing out on a cash cow (KL bill came with a stringent reporting requirement, so the money couldn't be handed out to the fourth cousin of the Hajj minister for swallowing).

IPL is like that. Paki RAPEs are slowly beginning to realize the size of the market in India and its immense cash potential. The entertainment sector has been the first to wake up. Already you have the likes of Veena Malik and Rahat fateh Ali Khan making trips and leaving with suitcases stuffed with cash. And then you have IPL. Where playing a single season can catapult you from a unwashed abdul to a upper-middle class fellow. Pakis are pissed that they are losing out on this cash cow and think that playing in IPL is their birthright. Let India declare stringent salary caps on foreign players and restrictions on the amount of money they can take home -- then lets see how enthusiastic they are to display their sporting talent.
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White House Assails Pakistan Effort on Militants

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world ... istan.html
The Obama administration on Tuesday gave Congress a harshly critical assessment of Pakistan’s efforts to defeat Al Qaeda and other militants, saying that after years of work with the Pakistani military “there remains no clear path toward defeating the insurgency” that thrives in the country.

That conclusion, buried in a 38-page report on the state of the war in Afghanistan and the efforts to defeat Al Qaeda in Pakistan, comes just three months before President Obama is scheduled to announce the pace at which American troops will be withdrawn from Afghanistan. It amounts to a concession that the effort to match Mr. Obama’s “surge” of troops in Afghanistan with a new strategy to squeeze Al Qaeda and the Taliban from the Pakistani side of the border has yielded virtually no results.

For more than a year American officials have expressed frustration with the slow pace of the Pakistani effort, which was further complicated by the devastating floods there last summer. But rarely have they gone public with the scope of those frustrations. The report issued Tuesday was not accompanied by any public statement by Mr. Obama, who, like President Bush before him, has been loath to publicly criticize the efforts of Pakistan.

But the report states clearly what many administration and Pentagon officials have long said in private: Without pressure from the Pakistani side of the border, it is virtually impossible to wipe out the strongholds of Taliban or Al Qaeda, except through American-led Predator strikes from the air.

The report noted that an effort by the Pakistani military to clear militants from Mohmand, a part of the tribal areas in northwest Pakistan, was failing for the third time in two years. The failure was “a clear indicator of the inability of the Pakistan military and government to render cleared areas resistant to insurgency return,” the report said.

The country cannot keep its helicopters flying, the report said, and is reluctant “to accept U.S.-provided helicopter maintenance teams,” part of a broader concern about letting American troops operate openly on the ground in Pakistan.

“What remains vexing is the lack of any indication of ‘hold’ and ‘build’ planning or staging efforts to complement ongoing clearing operations,” the report concluded. “As such, there remains no clear path toward defeating the insurgency in Pakistan, despite the unprecedented and sustained deployment of over 147,000 forces,” and the deaths of 2,575 Pakistani troops since 2001.

The report also lamented the fact that four coordination centers operated by American, Pakistani and Afghan troops are up and running on the Afghan side of the border, but none are yet operating on the Pakistan side, despite a pledge in 2009 from Pakistan to do so.

Independent experts on Pakistan as well as Congressional aides said the report’s assessment was more critical of Pakistan’s counterinsurgency abilities than analyses in two earlier reports, which the administration sends to Congress every six months.

“It’s pretty tough,” said one Senate staff member who read the report on Tuesday afternoon. “It does sound like an expression of frustration that goes beyond previous reports.”

In the past, the administration has praised the Pakistani efforts to carry out offensive operations against Taliban and other insurgents in six of the seven tribal areas — all except North Waziristan — but has chided the civilian government and military high command to do more.

In a report to Congress last September, the last before this week’s, the administration essentially gave Pakistan’s counterterrorism operations a pass, citing the effects of the floods that crippled much of the country. The disaster diverted Pakistani troops from conducting counterterrorism operations near the Afghan border, to delivering flood relief, for several months.

The September report sought to find a silver lining in the cataclysm, noting that the military’s rescue and relief efforts “have positive effects on vesting the population with the national government, especially when those impacted citizens are in areas that are also facing threats from insurgents.”

An administration official on Tuesday acknowledged the critical appraisal of Pakistan’s efforts to combat its militancy — an effort the United States pays more than $1 billion a year to support — but the official cautioned that the American assessment was “a snapshot in time.”

“This particular snapshot wraps up challenges that we’ve talked about piecemeal over several months,” said the administration official, who was not authorized to speak on the record about the report. “In this case, we didn’t see a clear path toward defeating the insurgency in Pakistan.”

But the official emphasized that the critique was not a forecast of worse to come. He pointed out, for example, that the report also noted that Pakistan’s troops in the northwestern and southwestern parts of the country were cooperating more closely with Afghan and NATO troops on the other side of the border in Afghanistan.

The report also painted a grim portrait of the country’s financial well-being. “As a result of political gridlock, the government continues to be unable to develop consensus on difficult economic and fiscal reforms that are urgently required, including systemic tax reform,” the report concluded.

What steps the government of President Asif Ali Zardari has taken are not likely to be enough to win the confidence of international donors and the International Monetary Fund, which have been urging wide-ranging changes to shore up the faltering economy.

“The deterioration of Pakistan’s economy and slow progress on economic reforms poses the greatest threat to Pakistan’s stability over the medium term,” the report said.
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Anujan wrote:Let India declare stringent salary caps on foreign players and restrictions on the amount of money they can take hom
India should do nothing of the sort. Why punish everybody else for Pakis' sins? Just ban Pakis outright from the IPL.
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partha wrote:
arun wrote:Mumbai-based Shia scholar Maulana Zaheer Abbas Rizvi:

"If Allah has really given Pakistan and Pakistani Muslims such a large heart, why is it that the minorities, the Ahmedias and the Shias, live in fear there,"

That and other reactions of Indian Mohammadden Scholars to the comment of the Captain of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Shahid Afridi that “ "Indians will never have hearts like Muslims and Pakistanis. I don't think they have the clean and large hearts that Allah has given us,":

Muslim scholars slam Afridi's line
Wait a sec! According to Indian Muslim scholars, Ahmedis are minorities in Pak and hence not Muslims?
You are misinterpreting it, the statement is: "If Allah has really given Pakistan and Pakistani Muslims such a large heart, why is it that the minorities, the Ahmedias and the Shias, live in fear there,"
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India should do nothing of the sort. Why punish everybody else for Pakis' sins? Just ban Pakis outright from the IPL.
Or as wise men have suggested elsewhere
http://www.sify.com/news/Impose-a-terro ... jgafi.html

Just Impose a terror tax on Pak cricketers
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A prelude to the US ladling out yet another liberal round of Jaziya particularly of the war making kind to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that will then be naturally used by the Islamic Republic to target India ?:
APRIL 6, 2011

U.S. Dials Back Criticism of Pakistan

White House, in Shift, Doesn't Scold Islamabad for Failing to Take On Militants, Signaling Doubts on Its Prior Pressure

By ADAM ENTOUS And MATTHEW ROSENBERG

WASHINGTON—A new White House report dialed back harsh criticism of Pakistan for failing to take on al Qaeda and other anti-Western militants, a shift signaling U.S. doubts that public pressure on Islamabad is working.

In a report sent to Congress on Tuesday, President Barack Obama's National Security Council sought to ease months of tension with Pakistan fueled in part by its previous scolding of Islamabad for refusing to send forces into North Waziristan, the main tribal base for fighters attacking U.S. forces across the border in Afghanistan.
While U.S. officials say success in Afghanistan hinges on Pakistan's willingness to root out militants in sanctuaries along the border, the new report on U.S. progress in the region makes no explicit call for Pakistan to send ground forces into North Waziristan.

The previous report, issued in September, bluntly accused Pakistan of avoiding "military engagements that would put it in direct conflict with Afghan Taliban or al Qaeda forces in North Waziristan," and said "this is as much a political choice as it is a reflection of an under-resourced military prioritizing its targets."

Such concerns are now being delivered behind closed doors, officials say. …………………

Wall Street Journal
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abhishek_sharma wrote:White House Assails Pakistan Effort on Militants

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world ... istan.html
Interesting that the New York Times takes a different view from the Wall Street Journal. While the NYT feels that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has been assailed the WSJ feels that criticism has been dialed back.
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arun wrote: Interesting that the New York Times takes a different view from the Wall Street Journal. While the NYT feels that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has been assailed the WSJ feels that criticism has been dialed back.
Generally these reports have many loopholes to ensure that they can be interpreted in many ways. It is a warning shot for the Pakis. If they don't behave, NYT's interpretation would be chosen.
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Excerpt from "Religion and Politics in Pakistan", by Leonard Binder:

(much elided, but I don't think I've changed the meaning).
Pakistan 1947-48.
"...popular feeling had been whipped up by the cry that the struggle in Kashmir was a jihad....

Perhaps it was by accident, perhaps by inspiration as members of Jama'at-i-Islami claim, that Maududi came to be asked whether the fighting in Kashmir was a jihad or not; but his negative answer created a sensation. This was in May 1948, when the Indian offensive forced Pakistani regulars into the line to save Muzaffarabad. After some pressing, Maududi declared that for Kashmiris it might be a jihad, but so long as the governments of India and Pakistan were at peace there could be no jihad in Kashmir for Pakistanis....."
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Large-hearted Pakistanis generously forgive the killers of Benazir Bhutto, Salman Taseer, etc., the killers of people in bazaars and on the streets and not least the murderers of hundreds of people at their place of worship. Small-hearted, mean Indians continue to insist on justice, however.
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Anujan wrote:Pakis are a bunch of sheep led by a media deftly manipulated by the RAPEs. . . . The frenzy was whipped up by media people, egged on by RAPEs/Establishment
Anujan, if one looks deeply, this is a trait that comes from the religious indoctrination that happens from a very early age at home, at mosques and schools/colleges/madrasseh. Inquisitiveness and questioning are shut off (ijtihad was stopped in the 10th century and any attempts at its revival have resulted in serious backlash) and a sheep-like attitude is developed in religious matters and since Islam is taken as an all-pervasive religion and since every sphere of activity is entwined with Islam, the same attitude is carried forward. Certainly, media & RAPEs manipulate; but, they along with common folk Abduls, have already been manipulated to have a certain worldview. All that the Establishment/RAPEs/mediamen&women have to do is to constantly reinforce that pre-ordained worldview by being more and more imaginative in inventing theories that would sustain the myth (already made and accepted) and interpret events accordingly.
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Dipanker wrote:You are misinterpreting it, the statement is: "If Allah has really given Pakistan and Pakistani Muslims such a large heart, why is it that the minorities, the Ahmedias and the Shias, live in fear there,"
As there are hardly any Hindu, Sikh or Christians left to terrorize in Pakistan, it is the turn of Ahmedias and Shias to bear the brunt of being different. Once they are gone, Bakis will dream up of other groups to terrorize.
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g.sarkar wrote:
Dipanker wrote:You are misinterpreting it, the statement is: "If Allah has really given Pakistan and Pakistani Muslims such a large heart, why is it that the minorities, the Ahmedias and the Shias, live in fear there,"
As there are hardly any Hindu, Sikh or Christians left to terrorize in Pakistan, it is the turn of Ahmedias and Shias to bear the brunt of being different. Once they are gone, Bakis will dream up of other groups to terrorize.
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Funnily enough, when Islam purifies itself fully so that only one sub-set of followers are there - it will become like Libya - tribal affiliations led by a despot.

Ah - the cycle of life...
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The af pak debate marches on , even this season too, against Indian Involvement in Afghanistan, notes Dhruva Jaisankar. This dude is KS grandson, and has some similarities to the great man.
http://polaris.nationalinterest.in/2011 ... ril-fools/
What would happen if I were to make the following argument to members of the U.S. strategic community, including those advising the Obama administration on South Asia and counter-terrorism policy:

Pakistan has become more insecure following the 9/11 attacks and the United States’ consequent military presence in Afghanistan, seeing forces it deems inimical to its legitimate interests on both its eastern and western frontiers. Pakistan’s insecurity has resulted in its support for anti-Indian jihadist groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, which conducted the 26/11 attacks on Mumbai. To assuage Pakistani concerns, India must insist on the United States’ immediate withdrawal from Bagram and Kandahar air bases in Afghanistan. Not that the United States is doing anything wrong in either place, or acting against Indian interests. In fact, quite the opposite. But Pakistani insecurities run so deep that Pakistan will not rein in LeT or other such groups until such a strategic withdrawal occurs.

Upon completing this brief exposition, I would most likely be summarily laughed out of the room. And with good reason. For one thing, India asking the United States to compromise what it deems to be its vital security interests is ludicrous enough. But beyond that, it’s clear that any such U.S. withdrawal would hardly assuage Pakistani concerns, let alone alter its behavior. Instead, it would provide an incentive for Pakistan to increase its support for terrorist organizations, since they successfully helped it achieve its regional political goals.
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Just make an Employment VISA form for just Pakistanis who want to work in India.
In that have questions like

1) In times of either peace or war have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide? Yes/No

2) Have you ever, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify the J&K separatist movement or that may encourage others to terrorist acts or other serious criminal acts in J&K and other parts of India? Yes/No

Apart from the above, we need to add another line before the signature.

"I declare that the Territories of J&K are integral part of India."
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Bingo Sir, The Goonga behra was all filled up with this crap and reposts the whole day. Abduls believed that this would somehow magically work for them. It goes something like this.
La ilaha illa anta, Subhanaka, Inni kuntu minaz-zalimin
From my profound understanding of Arabic, I can tell you that it has to do something with Zalim being trashed and momins to be victorious. So by that lahori logic it has been proved beyond doubt, by no less than Allah himself, that pakis are zalim, bay-gairat, pig hearted azzholes onlee. AoA :P
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arun wrote:Mumbai-based Shia scholar Maulana Zaheer Abbas Rizvi:

"If Allah has really given Pakistan and Pakistani Muslims such a large heart, why is it that the minorities, the Ahmedias and the Shias, live in fear there,"

Muslim scholars slam Afridi's line
Guys read this article in full. There are a few other gems in there.
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milindc wrote:Just make an Employment VISA form for just Pakistanis who want to work in India.
In that have questions like

1) In times of either peace or war have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide? Yes/No

2) Have you ever, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify the J&K separatist movement or that may encourage others to terrorist acts or other serious criminal acts in J&K and other parts of India? Yes/No

Apart from the above, we need to add another line before the signature.

"I declare that the Territories of J&K are integral part of India."
100% agree!

But we all know it will not get implemented. India has a big enough heart to not stoop down to pakis levels.
Although, after reading milindc's post some wise paki gobernment officials might start to get some wise ideas.
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Gagan wrote:
milindc wrote:Just make an Employment VISA form for just Pakistanis who want to work in India.
In that have questions like

1) In times of either peace or war have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide? Yes/No

2) Have you ever, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify the J&K separatist movement or that may encourage others to terrorist acts or other serious criminal acts in J&K and other parts of India? Yes/No

Apart from the above, we need to add another line before the signature.

"I declare that the Territories of J&K are integral part of India."
100% agree!

But we all know it will not get implemented. India has a big enough heart to not stoop down to pakis levels.
Although, after reading milindc's post some wise paki gobernment officials might start to get some wise ideas.
I always believe that Paki tactical brilliance will save our day. Imagine the number of Pakis lining up for the TV Soaps, Live Programs, Tours and IPL. If the Pakis decide to come up with any such language, it will be god send for India, since Media will force GoI to retaliate.

If we or Pakis have anything like then hopefully I don't have to hear Imran Khan spout his inane analysis on every sundry matter on Indian Media channels.
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There are several pakis working in the corporate sector in Indian cities as well!
Mumbai, delhi, bangaluru to name a few.

These guys get hired from videsh and get posted here by MNCs.

i remember reading an article by one such paki posted in mumbai working for a multinational, who considered mumbai to be his home and was doing an == with lawhore or some paki city.

The small hearted hindoo Indians have accepted the martial pakis in their midst - no doubt because the cowering hindooz had to pay jaziya to the martial pakee.
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milindc wrote:Just make an Employment VISA form for just Pakistanis who want to work in India.
In that have questions like

1) In times of either peace or war have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide? Yes/No

2) Have you ever, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify the J&K separatist movement or that may encourage others to terrorist acts or other serious criminal acts in J&K and other parts of India? Yes/No
No need to go that far...

Just make them sign a declaration that 'Ahmedias are 100% Muslims onlee'...this signed declaration with complete passport and address details would be posted on Home Ministry website..

If they sign, not only do they lose the Paki passport if they hold one, they become waji-bul-cattle (having challenged qatam-e-nabuwat' so they cannot visit TSP anymore...at least not if they wish to remain alive...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12982127

"The White House report said that in spite of "tremendous human sacrifices" made by Pakistani security forces and increased military co-operation between Pakistan and US in the last three months, the fight against militancy was making little progress"

Yada yada blah blah (yawn.....) blah blah (yawan....) blah blah

Is this in any way linked to Bandar's visit along with Bahraini officials to India vis a vis TSP????
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Gagan wrote:
milindc wrote:Just make an Employment VISA form for just Pakistanis who want to work in India.
In that have questions like

1) In times of either peace or war have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide? Yes/No

2) Have you ever, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify the J&K separatist movement or that may encourage others to terrorist acts or other serious criminal acts in J&K and other parts of India? Yes/No

Apart from the above, we need to add another line before the signature.

"I declare that the Territories of J&K are integral part of India."
100% agree!

But we all know it will not get implemented. India has a big enough heart to not stoop down to pakis levels.
Although, after reading milindc's post some wise paki gobernment officials might start to get some wise ideas.


The Indian embassies have made it extremely difficult for people of TSP origin to enter India. I work at a company which has outsourced part of design to India. There are mid-level paki managers
who have voiced their concerns over visa delays . it seems the embassy wants information like details of all trips to TSP, name of all the family members and associated certificates,
and details of all their relations living in TSP. And the embassy offers no guarantees apart from the standard "2 months for the visa". This , IMO, is a polite way of denying the visa.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

Post by shiv »

milindc wrote:Just make an Employment VISA form for just Pakistanis who want to work in India.
In that have questions like

1) In times of either peace or war have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide? Yes/No

2) Have you ever, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify the J&K separatist movement or that may encourage others to terrorist acts or other serious criminal acts in J&K and other parts of India? Yes/No

Apart from the above, we need to add another line before the signature.

"I declare that the Territories of J&K are integral part of India."
Or simply "Do you agree to work side by side with kafirs and take orders from a kafir boss?"
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But I am sure that there is a norm in India's visa form that asks if the person is associated with any terrorist organization or is intending to come into india for terrorist activities.

One would say D-uh! But most countries have one such section on their visa forms, for some sort of legal CYA purposes.
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Not just India, most countries have clamped down on issuing visas to Pakistanis.

Most recognize that the pakistanis are an indoctrinated islamized and corrupt lot. Most families will have some member somewhere who is a terrorist, and the numbers who sympathize with terrorists are very very high indeed.

As the worst sufferer of Pakistan sponsored terrorism, I would have expected much more stringent measures from GoI, but the nature of diplomacy is such that one has to find 'innovative' ways in which to do this.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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Gagan wrote:But I am sure that there is a norm in India's visa form that asks if the person is associated with any terrorist organization or is intending to come into india for terrorist activities.

One would say D-uh! But most countries have one such section on their visa forms, for some sort of legal CYA purposes.
I suspect the main reason is, if they deny and are then caught, they can be arreesyed/charged and prosecuted for lying in the forms. there is no need for skillful interrogation or collect evidence. There is proof to arrest them. Otherwise, you have to find evidence " beyond reasonable doubt" to get a conviction. Also, Once in jail for the lying, they will work on the terrorist to hopefully open up and talk about more serious offenses.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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Gagan wrote:
milindc wrote:Just make an Employment VISA form for just Pakistanis who want to work in India.
In that have questions like

1) In times of either peace or war have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide? Yes/No

2) Have you ever, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify the J&K separatist movement or that may encourage others to terrorist acts or other serious criminal acts in J&K and other parts of India? Yes/No

Apart from the above, we need to add another line before the signature.

"I declare that the Territories of J&K are integral part of India."
100% agree!

But we all know it will not get implemented. India has a big enough heart to not stoop down to pakis levels.
Although, after reading milindc's post some wise paki gobernment officials might start to get some wise ideas.
Better read it first:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_times_square_car_bomb
At sentencing, Shahzad claimed the FBI's interrogation had violated his rights. He also warned that attacks on Americans will continue until the United States leaves Muslim lands.

"We are only Muslims ... but if you call us terrorists, we are proud terrorists and we will keep on terrorizing you," he said.

He added: "We do not accept your democracy or your freedom because we already have Sharia law and freedom."

The judge cut him off at one point to ask if he had sworn allegiance to the United States when he became a citizen last year.

"I did swear but I did not mean it," said Shahza
d.

"So you took a false oath," the judge told him.

She also reminded him that he was a failed terrorist. :lol:

"What you have done here, although happily, the training you sought in making bombs was unsuccessful and you were unsuccessful in your effort to kill many Americans," she said.

Lying and cheating is an integral part of PakIslamic culture.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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check out the video. Honhaar students of pakistan display unparalleled intelligence :D

http://napaki.blogspot.com/2011/04/vide ... ts-of.html
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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The author of this article in Business Line is a BRfite, perhaps.
While he {Afridi} is not quite the member of the rich, anglicised, Pakistani elite, he is no country bumpkin herding cattle in the rural heartland of Pakistan either.
Added later: The above article is attracting comments, especially from Pakistanis. I have posted mine already.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

Post by Charlie »

Where are Zaid Hamid, Ahmed Qureishi..the paragons of Paki intellectual virtue ... i miss them already...
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