Osama Bin Laden Killed in Pakistan-2

[pentaiah]

Uncle double crossed Kiyani who double crossed Osama
In the end Mushy collected the bounty money as he instructed Kiyani
To build safe house on containment land

[svinayak]

Uncle and Pak Kiyani were together to prop u Osama for the last 15 years in media and elsewhere

Once the project ran its course it was time. But Uncle double crossed

It was to be done smoothly but Raymond davis episode created friction

Uncertainity and global media coverage on pakistan created fear in Pak

The image of Pak is a manufactured one using media and support of the west.
It can be destroyed and Osama fiasco blunted the image of Pak

[Philip]

For years convinced that Osama was being harboured and hidden by the Paki top brass and the latest revalations aren't a surprise at all.Gen.Mushy the "Bandicoot" hid him and later he and his successor,Gen.Killl-any the "Vulture" betrayed him.Gen.MUshy thus enjoys the hospitality of the west safely protected by British bobbies in London while Gen.Kill-any's bank account in Geneva must be bulging! So typical of the Paki martial tribes to serve the white man and cut the throats of their Muslim brothers.

[SSridhar]

One has to always keep in mind that the PA Generals are the most unscrupulous & dishonest.

[nakul]

The report might have a grain of truth as the US would not want Pakis intercepting US helicopters during the operation. Nearly all recounts of the operation state that US aircrafts were detected by Paki radar. Some claim that F 16s were scrambled. If so, Obama would have spoken to Kayani to keep his forces where they belong till he completes his operation. This could have come when the helicopters were within Paki radar coverage. What is not stated is Kayani's reply to this order. Now that would be interesting!

[ramana]

Other than "Yes saar!" what could it be?

[pentaiah]

Wonder why Osama did not insist on having a tunnel from the building into the TSP army academy for escape
After all he was taught by CIA how to dig tunnels no?

[chaanakya]

Wonder why Osama did not insist on having a tunnel from the building into the TSP army academy for escape
After all he was taught by CIA how to dig tunnels no?

That would provide physical link to kakul and clinching evidence of culpability. Now one has to send dossa for evidence and Massa doesn't know how to make one.

[RamaY]

The word is after 2014 the west are going to cut substantial funding and even defence equipment

24 carrots

[pentaiah]

Actually RIMA is going to change things drastically.
The last of the manned aircraft assembly/manufacture is shutting down in the next 3 years according to NYT report recently.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... ck=main_sr

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... ck=main_sr

[shyamd]

Perhaps that explains the growing closeness to Russia and buying its hardware...

Nope - dont read too much into it is what I've been told

[habal]

Ashfaq Parvez Kiyani is most likely Shiite, because Kiyan is in Iran and his family/ancestors & narrative most likely they bring in shiite traditions but in Pakistan pretend to be neutral or barelvi type but have no particular affinity for Sunni Arab Osama. I think he gets along with Zardari just fine and some amount of pretend tamasha just goes on for benefit of paki jihadi junta.

[Lisa]

FWIW, via e-mail,


Seals Reveal Truth About Bin Laden Raid



Osama Bin Laden was killed within 90 seconds of the US Navy Seals landing in his compound and
not after a protracted gun battle, according to the first account by the men who carried out the raid. 
The operation was so clinical that only 12 bullets were fired.



The Seals have spoken out because they were angered at the version given by politicians, which
they see as portraying them as cold-blooded murderers on a kill mission. They were also shocked
that President Barack
0bama announced Bin Laden's death on television the same evening, rendering useless much of
the intelligence they had seized.


Chuck Pfarrer, a former commander of Seal Team 6, which conducted the operation, has
interviewed many of those who took part for a book, Seal Target Geronimo, to be published in the
US this week.


The Seals own accounts differ from the White House version, which gave the impression that Bin
Laden was killed at the end of the operation rather than in its opening seconds. Pfarrer insists Bin
Laden would have been captured had he surrendered.


There isn't a politician in the world who could resist trying to take credit for getting Bin Laden but it
devalued the intelligence and gave time for every other Al-Qaeda leader to scurry to another
bolthole, said Pfarrer.


The men who did this and their valorous act deserve better.  It's a pretty shabby way to treat these
guys. The first hint of the mission came in January last year when the team's commanding officer
was called to a meeting at the headquarters of joint special operations command. The meeting was
held in a soundproof bunker three stories below ground with his boss, Admiral William McRaven,
and a CIA officer.


They told him a walled compound in Pakistan had been under surveillance for a couple of weeks.
They were certain a high-value individual was inside and needed a plan to present to the president. 
It had to be someone important.  So is this Bert or Ernie? he asked.  The Seals nicknames for Bin
Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are a reference to two Muppets in Sesame Street, one tall
and thin and the other short and fat. We have a voice print, said the CIA officer, and were 60% or
70% certain it's our guy. McRaven added that a reconnaissance satellite had measured the targets
shadow. Over 6ft tall.

When McRaven added they would use Ghost Hawk helicopters, the team leader had no doubt.
These are the most classified, sophisticated stealth helicopters ever developed, said Pfarrer. They
are kept in locked hangars and fly so quiet we call it whisper mode.  Over the next couple of
months a plan was hatched. A mock-up of the compound was built at Tall Pines, an army facility in
a national forest somewhere in the eastern US.


Four reconnaissance satellites were placed in orbit over the compound, sending back video and
communications intercepts. A tall figure seen walking up and down was named the Pacer.  Obama
gave the go-ahead and Seal Team 6, known as the Jedi, was deployed to Afghanistan. The White
House cancelled plans to provide air cover using jet fighters, fearing this might endanger relations
with Pakistan.  Sending in the Ghost Hawks without air cover was considered too risky so the
Seals had to use older Stealth Hawks. A Prowler electronic warfare aircraft from the carrier USS
Carl Vinson was used to jam Pakistan's radar and create decoy targets.



Operation Neptune's Spear was initially planned for April 30 but bad weather delayed it until May 1,
a moonless night. The commandos flew on two Stealth Hawks, codenamed Razor 1 and 2, followed
by two Chinooks five minutes behind, known as Command Bird and the gun platform. On board,
each Seal was clad in body amour and night vision goggles and equipped with laser targets, radios
and sawn-off M4 rifles. They were expecting up to 30 people in the main house, including Bin Laden
and three of his wives, two sons, Khalid and Hamza, his courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, four
bodyguards and a number of children. At 56 minutes past midnight the compound came into sight
and the code Palm Beach signaled three minutes to landing. Razor 1 hovered above the main
house, a three-story building where Bin Laden lived on the top floor.  Twelve Seals roped the 5ft-6ft
down onto the roof and then jumped to a third-floor patio, where they kicked in the windows and
entered.



The first person the Seals encountered was a terrified woman, Bin Laden's third wife, Khaira, who
ran into the hall. Blinded by a searing white strobe light they shone at her, she stumbled back. A
Seal grabbed her by the arm and threw her to the floor. Bin Laden's bedroom was along a short hall.
The door opened; he popped out and then slammed the door shut. Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo,
radioed one Seal, meaning eyes on target. At the same time lights came on from the floor below
and Bin Laden's son Khalid came running up the stairs towards the Seals. He was shot dead.



Two Seals kicked in Bin Laden's door. The room, they later recalled, smelt like old clothing, like a
guest bedroom in a grandmother's house. Inside was the Al-Qaeda leader and his youngest wife,
Amal, who was screaming as he pushed her in front of him. No, no, don't do this! she shouted as
her husband reached across the king-size bed for his AK-47 assault rifle. The Seals reacted
instantly, firing in the same second. One round thudded into the mattress. The other, aimed at Bin
Laden's head, grazed Amal in the calf.  As his hand reached for the gun, they each fired again: one
shot hit his breastbone, the other his skull, killing him instantly and blowing out the back of his
head.



Meanwhile Razor 2 was heading for the guesthouse, a low, shoebox-like building, where Bin
Laden's courier, Kuwaiti, and his brother lived.  As the helicopter neared, a door opened and two
figures appeared, one waving an AK-47.  This was Kuwaiti. In the moonless night he could see
nothing and lifted his rifle, spraying bullets wildly.  He did not see the Stealth Hawk. On board
someone shouted, Bust him!, and a sniper fired two shots. Kuwaiti was killed, as was the person
behind him, who turned out to be his wife. Also on board were a CIA agent, a Pakistani-American
who would act as interpreter, and a sniffer dog called Karo, wearing dog body armor and goggles.



Within two minutes the Seals from Razor 2 had cleared the guesthouse and removed the women
and children.  They then ran to the main house and entered from the ground floor, checking the
rooms. One of Bin Laden's bodyguards was waiting with his AK-47. The Seals shot him twice and
he toppled over.  Five minutes into the operation the command Chinook landed outside the
compound, disgorging the commanding officer and more men. They blasted through the compound
wall and rushed in.



The commander made his way to the third floor, where Bin Laden's body lay on the floor face up.
Photographs were taken, and the commander called on his satellite phone to headquarters with the
words: Geronimo Echo KIA Bin Laden enemy killed in action.  This was the first time the White
House knew he was dead and it was probably 20 minutes into the raid, said Pfarrer. A sample of
Bin Laden's DNA was taken and the body was bagged. They kept his rifle. It is now mounted on the
wall of their team room at their headquarters in Virginia Beach, Virginia, alongside photographs of a
dozen colleagues killed in action in the past 20 years.



At this point things started to go wrong. Razor 1 took off but the top secret green unit that controls
the electronics failed. The aircraft went into a spin and crashed tail-first into the compound... The
Seals were alarmed, thinking it had been shot down, and several rushed to the wreckage. The crew
climbed out, shaken but unharmed.  The commanding officer ordered them to destroy Razor 2, to
remove the green unit, and to smash the avionics. They then laid explosive charges.



They loaded Bin Laden's body onto the Chinook along with the cache of intelligence in plastic bin
bags and headed toward the USS Carl Vinson. As they flew off they blew up Razor 2. The whole
operation had taken 38 minutes.



The following morning White House officials announced that the helicopter had crashed as it arrived,
forcing the Seals to abandon plans to enter from the roof. A photograph of the situation room
showed a shocked Hillary Clinton, the secretary of state, with her hand to her mouth.  Why did they
get it so wrong? What they were watching was live video but it was shot from 20,000 feet by a
drone circling overhead and relayed in real time to the White House and Leon Panetta, the CIA
director, in Langley.  The Seals were not wearing helmet cameras, and those watching in
Washington had no idea what was happening inside the buildings.  They don't understand our
terminology, so when someone said the insertion helicopter has crashed, they assumed it meant
on entry, said Pfarrer.



What infuriated the Seals, according to Pfarrer, was the description of the raid as a kill mission. I've
been a Seal for 30 years and I never heard the words kill mission, he said.  It's a Beltway
[Washington insiders] fantasy world. If it was a kill mission you don't need Seal Team 6; you need
a box of grenades.  Hooyah!

[Philip]

The lies and chicanery of the US are unmatched.Every military operation it conducts across the globe is suspect because of the motives that lie beneath the act.Scant regard is given to human rights,the UN charter,international norms of diplomacy or protocol.Dubya Bush sanctioned torture,which led to the infamous concentration camps of Abu Ghraib and Camp Gitmo and countless secret "rendition camps" set up in crony states in cahoots with the US,similar to the infamous Nazi concentration camps of WW2.In fact the US is the neo-fascist equivalent of the Nazis of the 21st century,invading where they please,usurping their natural resources and devastating nations into the stone age.US soldiers are trained to be ruthless killers,which is why even in the US,rape and abuse of fellow women recruits and colleagues is rampant,the true scale of the epidemic being suppressed by the US establishment,even as cases continue to be filed by the victims.

The horror of 9/11 was perfect for the Bush admin.In fact many still believe that it had prior knowledge of the conspiracy (India also warned the US about planned hijacking of aircraft) and allowed the terror strikes to take place to provide the administration with an excuse to invade Iraq and scare the world with the so-called terror threat,the "war on terror",allowing it free reign to trample smaller weaker nations worldwide.From the counterstrikes against Al Q in Afghanistan,leading to its invasion,followed by Iraq,Libya and now being plotted against Syria and Iran,the enormity of the lie is only now being understood.The US all along well knew that the Paki top brass and the ISI were sheilding Osama.The ISI and CIA are partners in crime.It was a huge pretence that they were hunting for him for years.They kept him in effect in protective custody in order to execute him at a convenient time.Which is why he took little or no precautions against an attack.He was exterminated with extreme prejudice because if captured alive,he would spill the beans about the links Al Q had with the US and also the US-Saudi/Bush family-Saudi royalty global business interests where Bin Laden's family are the key link.To understand the depth off this relationship read "House of Bush,House of Saud",becoming increasingly difficult to obtain now as copies are being destroyed .Osama Bin Laden was a US pawn from the days of the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan,which was itself due to the covert terror operations and assassinations being carried out by the CIA,British intel and with the aid of the Paki military of Gen.Zia. The pawn went rogue but was "captured" by the double-crossing,back-stabbing uniformed Pakis,especially vermin like Gen.Mush-a-rat the bandicoot,whom he trusted as being "good Muslims",his fatal mistake.The truth about his execution is now outing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... orway.html

Osama bin Laden book by Navy SEAL reveals al-Qaeda leader unarmed and shot in doorway
Osama bin Laden was unarmed when he was shot in the head as he peeked out of his bedroom, according to the first eyewitness account from a member of the US Navy Seal team that killed him.

By Barney Henderson, Nick Allen in Los Angeles

29 Aug 2012

The account contradicts the official version of the raid on the former al-Qaeda leader’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan on May 2 last year, which suggested that the terrorist was shot because he may have been reaching for a gun.

The disclosure in “No Easy Day,” a book written by a 36-year-old Seal under the pseudonym Mark Owen, raised questions over whether bin Laden represented a clear threat when he was first fired on.

In the book, which will be published on Sept 4, Owen described being directly behind the “point man” as the Seals advanced up a narrow stairwell.

“We were less than five steps from getting to the top when I heard suppressed shots,” he said. “BOP. BOP. I couldn’t tell from my position if the rounds hit the target or not. The man disappeared into the dark room.”

The Seals followed bin Laden into the bedroom where they found him crumpled on the floor convulsing in a pool of blood with a hole visible on the right side of his head, according to Owen. Two women were wailing over his body.

He said the point man pulled the two women away into a corner, and the still twitching terrorist was then shot several times.

“We trained our lasers on his chest and fired several rounds. The bullets tore into him, slamming his body into the floor until he was motionless,”

They then examined his face and confirmed the identity of the dead man, who was wearing a white sleeveless T-shirt, loose tan trousers and a tunic.

Owen said he found two guns, an AK-47 and a Makarov pistol, in the room but they were not loaded.

The author said: “He hadn’t even prepared a defence. He had no intention of fighting. He asked his followers for decades to wear suicide vests or fly planes into buildings, but didn’t even pick up his weapon.”

In the official account related by the US government the Seals shot bin Laden only after he ducked back into the bedroom, because they assumed he might be going for a weapon. The White House declined to comment on the apparent contradiction.

Owen’s version of events raises questions over whether the raid was intended to capture or kill bin Laden.

The author himself said that, during a pre-raid briefing, a lawyer from “either” the White House or Defence Department told the Seals they were not on an assassination mission.

Further disclosures in the book included that one of the Seals sat on bin Laden’s chest in the cramped helicopter flight out of Abbottabad. There was little space as one of their helicopters had crashed during the initial assault.

Owen also said that none of the Seals on the raid were “fans” of President Barack Obama and felt he would take political credit for the raid. However, they respected him for giving the operation the green light.

One of the Seals on the mission was said to have commented: “We’ll get Obama re-elected for sure. I can see him now, talking about how he killed bin Laden.”

The book was not cleared by US defence officials in advance, raising the possibility that the author could face an investigation and possible criminal prosecution.

Amid the controversy sparked by the book Owen, who denies compromising national security, has had his own real identity revealed in the US media. He subsequently faced death threats on al-Qaeda websites.

A White House spokesman said: “As President Obama said on the night that justice was brought to Osama bin Laden, 'We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country.’”

[pentaiah]

In most intelligence operations logic is convoluted and most often appears to be illogical and is so.

This Osama SoB did not deserve any human rights or anything at best he deserved last rites accorded to him

The sole super power could not reckon that Osama was sharing bunker with mushy as long as mushy was in power.

Even a grandma (I say this because my 70 year old aunt who can read only Telugu papers predicted in 2003 that Osama was right under the sherwani of mushy.) could have confirmed him to be TSP Army camp

Some times Americans are such suckers, that educated Tim's, Toms and last but not least Jones tell us about the integrity of TS Pakis, oh tweedledi tweedeldum

Almost sounds like the great movie Dumb and Dummer (*ing Jim Carey and Jeff Daniels)

[Gus]

I am just skeptical about the whole "oh we are so outraged by the falsehoods about this operation that we HAVE to release a book about this" just 2 months before the election.

[ramana]

It doesnt matter how OBL got his raisins. Its important that he got them. As Indian origin people we should think about how Hafiz Suar, Lakhvi and Dawood Ibrahim will get theirs.
All this is election year psy-ops.
Obama took the decision and had it implemented.

So he should get the credit.
All these SEALs and walruses only implemented what he decided.


The reaelase of the books is to deny any chance of him claiming credit for the decision.


If it was so easy why wanst the decision taken in the Bush years?
It was all hot air and mollycoddling terrorist dictators.

[krisna]

US nuclear submarine docks in Goa
any relation to uss la submarine visit to goa about 5 days before obl met his raisins.
stayed for 2 days. First time ever in 65 years.

[pentaiah]

more for Iran ops

[shyamd]

Interesting: Did India help out with the Bin Laden raid? http://t.co/5SdQlrfS

[Prem]

Interesting: Did India help out with the Bin Laden raid? http://t.co/5SdQlrfS

Does any one remember the few visits by American Jernails to the LOC before the OBL raid ?

[pentaiah]

This is highly classified information therefore I will not comment and it also involves two known friendly countries

[ramana]

Also explains why there was initial consternation in TSP thinking India was carrying out a raid.

[RamaY]

Interesting: Did India help out with the Bin Laden raid? http://t.co/5SdQlrfS

Pranams to my source for seeing/saying this - http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1097886

[ramana]

RamaY and others, A comment in TOI article on Right and Wrong:

The RAW story of our dull mediocre spies Swapan Dasgupta

varun (France) says: September 03,2012 at 09:57 PM IST

Ridiculous article!!!! shows the ignorance of the author...it was this RAW which brought in Sikkim..played a vital part in 1971...brought down maoist government in Nepal..had the intelligenge on laden...they are bunch of world class prpfessionals ..and as india will play a bigger role they will in due time be the the best in the business. Mr. Dasgupta should do his homework before writing and article like this.

[rohitvats]

^^^What is the connection between SEAL TEAM 6 chopper crossing over to Indian side of Kashmir while flying towards Abbottabad (as per the article) and your assertion that OBL raid was planned by USA to preempt Indian strike to take out OBL? After all, if the US plan was sabotage India exposing US+Pakistan perfidy as far as OBL was concerned, why would India help in the success of the very operation that subverts its interest?

Please re-read the article linked on OBL raid with your CT and see if there is any connection. And BTW, while you're at it, do look up Abbottabad on the Wikimapia/Google Earth/Google Maps and see it position relative to LOC in the area. Once you do that, do revisit the 'helicopter crossing into Indian Kashmir' CT and see if it makes sense? And why?

[RamaY]

My source gave me that info more than a year before the book came out

Why is it so wrong if India were to be aware of OBL's whereabouts before it became public thru US action. US itself was monitoring that compound for months before that action. Unless we believe TSPA and Pakis, they too should know about OBL's whereabouts for quite sometime?

Secondly, in the absence of having a direct opportunity to expose US/Pak perfidy, isn't it a next best alternative to have an outcome that would lead a feud in US-Pak relationship?

Please check the maps. If they come down south in PoK between Skardu-Abbortabad, probably into Baramulla sector before turning west, there is a possibility for the bird to visit Bharat.

Or the biggest CT for you would be if the Author or the news reporter called entire JK state including PoK with its rightful name "Indian Kashmir"

Yat bhavam tat bhavati

[Rangudu]

Right - India was aware of OBL's location and kept it secret for months when even senior US officials weren't told of the intel. Here we have Abu Jundal's bowel movement colour being leaked daily to the press, but we somehow not only magically found out about OBL but kept it quiet against all odds.

Plus, as others have pointed out, GoI was so pissed at Unkil's "perfidy" that it shafted them on MMRCA but somehow decided to piss off Russia and others and give Unkil equally lucrative contracts on P-8A and other big military purchases.

To put it bluntly, this is like an ant entering an elephant's rear end and gloating to itself that it f-ed the giant. If India had all these capabilities, it would be criminally negligent that Hafiz Saeed or Sajid Mir haven't been taken out nearly 4-years after 26/11.

[RamaY]

^ again, just because senior US officials weren't told about something it doesn't mean Indian intelligence agencies wouldn't know about it.

Even the all pervading US and Paki intelligence agencies did not know about Pokhran 1 and 2.

You are making a mistake by doing == between a 2nd grade fighter aircraft pushed down by USA and a specific aircraft (P3 or C130 etc) that India wanted to get from the same USA.

A smart decision on a given item is not equal to a purchase pushed down India's throat.

Hafiz Pig or Suka Mir are left alive not because of lack of capability within India. It is lack of will of our WKK PM. I can't say much if you equate exposing OBL is same as getting Hafiz/Mir/Dawwod etc.,

In the first case the guy is marked by the whole world and it would elevate India to a certain position in US public view where as capturing/killing others would get us international condemnation.

After all said and done, I posted what I heard from my sources. I would let time decide its validity. I didn't post info from this source again, because I want to check this info first. Let us see.

[Satya_anveshi]

India having know about OBL wherabouts prior to Abbottabad Ops is maligning and bringing it to the same level as pukis.

The only benefit of such a "leak" as in "loo" is misplaced notion of publicizing our intel capabilities which our spooks would wish it to remain under wraps even if they have.

OBL was simply a recent and visible testament of US's propping up of terrorists and then later dealing with them.

[pentaiah]

OBL was in Bangalore in late 1990s for dialysis when RAW introduced a radio iso_toupe into his kidneys and since then we could track his (bladder) movements due to the unique design of BARC the transducer could operate for 20 yrs plus drawing power from H20 + CO(NH2)2 in his kidneys. (so the water powered car is not new at all)
again I didn't want to spill the kidney beans here but what the heck even seals are not obeying Defense secretary and writing things
SO once for all you have the story

[shiv]

(so the water powered car is not new at all)

You mean water powered khur

NSFW warning

[pentaiah]

yes something like that reciprocating engine

[RamaY]

Pentaiah garu is equipoise about all sources of power

I posted one info from one source and people are having so much takleef. So much enmity towards a fellow mango-yindutvavaadi?

Is this jealousy

[pentaiah]

no no the problem I have on BRF is we take ourselves damn seriously, In 1998 I seriously boycotted Paki goods even today I check where the product is made be it in Desi store or Khols, but our own GOI is not sure if TSP is enemy or Chota Bhai.

Its all tamasha in which mango man has no role, Loot, Love , Peace, prosperity is all for the ruling clas in India and Pakistan, its just amtter dus percent ya chhabees dacemlo panch pershat thats all folks

I just see humor in life, Aanando Brahma

[RamaY]

You boycott Paki products just because they are our enemy nation? What did a non-combatant Paki, which is the silent majority (or is it minorities?) do to you?

Only yindutvavadis show that much enemity towards fellow humans. No wonder Indian right gets bad name because of chauvinism like that.

Sing Aman ki tamasha, grab your Ayesha!

[Anujan]

The email seems to be a hit job. The most credible account IMO is the seal book. The SEAL claims that OBL poked his head out of the room and was shot on his face. This sounds credible to me, nobody is going to arrest someone who pokes his face out of a door and goes back inside. He might throw a couple of grenades down the stairs when he shows up next. Even in Taj, Indian commandoes gave all the Pakis their 72 and did not try to arrest anyone. (though their arrest and interrogation would have yielded invaluable clues).

WH on the other hand had to have an explanation as to why OBL was shot and not arrested. This explanation was he had guns and reached for them, which seems to be utter BS. Chinooks entering Indian airspace and back into Paki airspace also sounds suspicious. Indians have RADARs facing west, and Pakis have RADARs facing east there (they have to protect all the terror camps they have in PoK against Indian commando assault). Not to talk of ground spotters.

I think it was my fourth cousin who first suggested that Gitmo interrogation for OBL lead was BS. I had posted more than a year ago

Did some ISI/Army higher up sell out for a few greenbacks, a gori motorma and a green card? I will bet my left testimonial that they did. The increased "contacts" between mid-level intelligence/army types starting 10 years back means that a vast fraction of them are higher ups now.

In addition, remember the NY Times article which stated

Pakistan’s detention of five C.I.A. informants, including a Pakistani Army major who officials said copied the license plates of cars visiting Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in the weeks before the raid, is the latest evidence of the fractured relationship between the United States and Pakistan.

I am still betting my left testimonial that in the free-for-all time post 9/11 under mushy, CIA recruited a few mid-level ISI people with greenbacks and a gori motorma. Those people are now (after 10 years) are top-level ISI people. One of them sold the Pakis out. So all this question of "Did ISI give a signal by getting one of its jernails/kernails reveal details about OBL?" is a diversion and not the truth.

Credit should be given where it is due. CIA penetrated the ISI (pun intended), US special forces penetrated Pakistan (pun intended) and they GUBO'ed Osama and Pakistani pride.

To jog your memories (when everyone was suggesting Pakis somehow helped):
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1085620

I also disagree with the fact that the Paki army helped the US to catch OBL. You have to understand that the Jernails and Kernails are beholden to *Army as an institution* which would give anything to protect their H&D. If it comes out that the top Jernails and Kernails sold out their H&D, the middle and bottom will revolt and split the army.

The greatest blow to their H&D was '71 and they still about it, talk about it, vow revenge for it *to this day*. There is absolutely no way that the Pakis would let Amreekis enter from the rear, drop off a few SEALs 500 meters from PMA, shoot up a few, and hold back against them. There are several things that could have gone wrong with this op. SEALs could have shot up a few Paki civilians. SEALs could have shot up a few Paki police/army types who responded. They could have lost both helos, in which case they are either stuck & fortified themselves in the compound (think Raymond Davis times 80 men + 1 dog) or Pakis should let the US violate their sovirginity again by sending 2 more helos. All of which is a H&D loss big enough for the Army to split. This is a kick in the nuts and a slap on their H&D of immeasurable proportions. In addition, it has *huge* potential to undercut the mango abdul's confidence and admiration of the army and give opportunities for the civvies to grow a pair.

No Sir, Pakis didnt help.

Now Pakis could have helped in an *individual capacity*. Did some ISI/Army higher up sell out for a few greenbacks, a gori motorma and a green card? I will bet my left testimonial that they did. The increased "contacts" between mid-level intelligence/army types starting 10 years back means that a vast fraction of them are higher ups now.

Now did higher up Pakis actually instruct the army to hold back? No sir, they didnt. RADAR operators, Forward observers, ISI goons right up to captains and Chowkidar of PMA had to be informed to hold back. And this *would eventually leak* especially from the mid to low level beard types, who would pick up their AKs, wear a Soosai vest and yell jeeeehaaaarrddd!! The most likely explanation is that Massa has penetrated the Army/ISI, from which they are getting *information* and not relying on them for ops. They have had 10 years to do this.

The gratifying outcome for me is, the Army and ISI is now going to go on a witch hunt and turn on themselves to identify these moles.

[pentaiah]

You boycott Paki products just because they are our enemy nation? What did a non-combatant Paki, which is the silent majority (or is it minorities?) do to you?

Only yindutvavadis show that much enemity towards fellow humans. No wonder Indian right gets bad name because of chauvinism like that.

Sing Aman ki tamasha, grab your Ayesha!

I like a good soldier responded to BRF call here in this forum to boycott TSP made goods, including not allowing any friends to buy from Ethen Allen

[pentaiah]

With wild weasel kind of Jammers they don't need any reason to enter Indian air space

Are the Radars not Omni directional?

about arresting OBL or taking him alive its a joke, heck high way patrol cop can shoot if he suspects you hands or not empty

[Lalmohan]

was watching disovery channel prog on osama raid last night, gratifying to see the boundaries of india drawn correctly in the state of jammu & kashmir