Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Apr 2013 19:13

Saudi student (a suspect at one point in the Boston Marathon Bombings) who was silently deported. Speculations are that it was a backdoor deal cut between saudi and US.
Saudi_Student_Deported

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 18 Apr 2013 19:13

shiv wrote:You are all profiling two men racially. They look like modern American youth to me. Maybe mixed parentage. Lovers of America's freedom. Looks like right wing terror all right. It's all about opposing government and sending messages to Obama in code.

I know you are being sarcastic - do you want the name of the country and the province ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Apr 2013 19:30

Rajiv Lather wrote:
shiv wrote:You are all profiling two men racially. They look like modern American youth to me. Maybe mixed parentage. Lovers of America's freedom. Looks like right wing terror all right. It's all about opposing government and sending messages to Obama in code.
I know you are being sarcastic - do you want the name of the country and the province ?

Well yes.

I think it is important to understand that terrorists will claim responsibility only when they are unafraid of being hit back. The claim that terrorists gain benefit ONLY by claiming responsibility as was stated by CRamS is wrong. Even Osama never owned up. Pakistan has never claimed responsibility for terror in India. Only India has blamed them and the US has tended to believe Pakistan or more recently ignore Indian claims.

Terrorists who conduct random attacks are less likely to claim responsibility and more likely to simply keep attacking at random. The need for publicity to a group is not invariably true and often a media concoction. After 26/11 LeT and Pakistan army were sniggering to themselves without claiming responsibility

There is a curious <wink wink> thing going on in America
1. Terrorist attack occurs
2. Leads not found - so could be Unabomber/Oklahoma type white man
3. If white man, the government expected to go easy
4. When government goes easy everyone accepts that philosophically
5. If on the other hand the terrorist is a foreigner the government will hit someone.
6. Americans will accept that with support and gratitude

The long and short of it is that Americans swallow whatever the government tells them. There is implicit trust in the government even when they are lying. The government as represented by hat the President tells Americans is the law

This is so totally different from India that it is absurd to try and draw parallels.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Apr 2013 19:47

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svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Apr 2013 19:54

https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl=db ... 2f04fa33a3

Texas fertilizer plant explosion: Searching for victims in closets, under beds ...
Los Angeles Times - ‎3 minutes ago‎
Rescuers were going door-to-door Thursday morning in neighborhoods decimated by the explosion at the West, Texas, fertilizer plant, searching in closets and under beds for residents after a massive blast that killed as many as 15 people and injured more .

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 18 Apr 2013 19:54

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Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 18 Apr 2013 20:02

Guys,

Again don’t post these random images of brown skinned people as terrorists. There are consequences to reinforcing this nonsense state side. Already some quite nauseating things have happened including one of the victims being profiled by fox TV.

Brown skin people, including SDRE come in for collective punishment while white skin folks never receive collective punishment for their terrorist shenanigans. The people who post these images, like NYPost have a ulterior motive, be clear about that. The SDRE is very much within their cross hairs. Don’t fall for this propaganda.

Have some patience and let the police do their work. We will know soon enough.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Apr 2013 20:02

shiv wrote:You are all profiling two men racially. They look like modern American youth to me. Maybe mixed parentage. Lovers of America's freedom. Looks like right wing terror all right. It's all about opposing government and sending messages to Obama in code.

Look for men who look like just like Timberlake

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 18 Apr 2013 20:03

^^^^
My wild guess...

Egypt/Tunisia/Libya/Algeria?Morocco.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Apr 2013 20:05

^both of them have dorsal humps on their nose.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Apr 2013 20:07

I thought there were 2 explosions 12 seconds apart, but all the photos seem to show the explosion where the bag was placed next to the black garbage bin.

what happened at the site of the second explosion ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 20:09

GD that is the second explosion. There are no near field pictures of the first.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 20:12

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Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 18 Apr 2013 20:49

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284986

A cry of empathy by an American for... Syria and Iraq. Once again, it is simply mind boggling, the short shrift or sidelining India receives. And this article is carried by an Indian newsmagazine.

India is an obvious example of a country, that too a pluralistic democracy, which has suffered and is still suffering from terrorism. Yet there is barely an acknowledgement of it. You do hear American commentators refer to the scourage of terror in New York, London, Madrid, Tel Aviv, Paris, Afghanistan, and now Syria, but not India. They simply cannot or will not include city names like Delhi, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, along with the other world cities. Something is very rotten somewhere. We'll simply have to rely on Pakistani origin writers like Tarek Fatah, to be inclusive with India.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 18 Apr 2013 20:54

@VaroonShekhar ^^^: A lot of it is due to the deliberate policy of GoI/INC to tamp down the terrorism angle WRT India. There is so much fear that the vote bank might get 'alienated'.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Apr 2013 20:59

Varoon Shekhar wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284986

A cry of empathy by an American for... Syria and Iraq. Once again, it is simply mind boggling, the short shrift or sidelining India receives. And this article is carried by an Indian newsmagazine.

India is an obvious example of a country, that too a pluralistic democracy, which has suffered and is still suffering from terrorism. Yet there is barely an acknowledgement of it. You do hear American commentators refer to the scourage of terror in New York, London, Madrid, Tel Aviv, Paris, Afghanistan, and now Syria, but not India. They simply cannot or will not include city names like Delhi, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, along with the other world cities. Something is very rotten somewhere. We'll simply have to rely on Pakistani origin writers like Tarek Fatah, to be inclusive with India.

Brilliant observations Varoon. Someone blamed MMS again - and as you can see it is not MMS. It is national malaise to take cues and information from the west and fight their battles and weep for their causes while sidelining our own Indian issues to a second class status.

Everyone else considers India second class. That is fine That is their prerogative. But, astoundingly Indians do that too and choose to blame MMS or "someone else, not me, I'm innocent"

We as individuals have to stop cursing other Indians and constantly holding India up for comparison with America. It has to come from within

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 18 Apr 2013 21:01

Varoon Shekhar wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284986

A cry of empathy by an American for... Syria and Iraq. Once again, it is simply mind boggling, the short shrift or sidelining India receives. And this article is carried by an Indian newsmagazine.

This will keep happening till there are enough coolies in India to carry the White Man's burden. The cover story of latest edition of India Today is on Lord Shiva and how cool he is becoming among the urban youth. One full page in this has been given to Wendy Doniger who explains to Hindus what Lord Shiva is! The joker editors couldn't think of a Hindu to write about Shiv Jee but had to get a Hindu-baiting White Christian to explain Hindu gods to Hindus. This coolie class of Indians has to vanish first before Indians gain any self-respect.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Apr 2013 21:04

varunkumar wrote:
Varoon Shekhar wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284986

A cry of empathy by an American for... Syria and Iraq. Once again, it is simply mind boggling, the short shrift or sidelining India receives. And this article is carried by an Indian newsmagazine.
This will keep happening till there are enough coolies in India to carry the White Man's burden. The cover story of latest edition of India Today is on Lord Shiva and how cool he is becoming among the urban youth. One full page in this has been given to Wendy Doniger who explains to Hindus what Lord Shiva is! The joker editors couldn't think of a Hindu to write about Shiv Jee but had to get a Hindu-baiting White Christian to explain Hindu gods to Hindus. This coolie class of Indians has to vanish first before Indians gain any self-respect.

+1

Although I would call it "coolie mentality" of Indians, rather than coolie class. Like slaves Massa's priorities are our priorities. Massa's thoughts are ours. When we don't compare well with massa one of our own will tell us that

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 18 Apr 2013 21:07

India has a swathe of laws that make it rather difficult to call a spade a spade. For example:

IPC 153(A) (promoting enmity between different groups on ground of religion, race, place of birth, language and doing acts prejudicial to maintenance of harmony)

OTOH, the spade gets to do/say whatever it wants. It also does not help when our bete noire, MMS goes on to say that TSP is also a victim of terror. I won't even go doofus Shinde's utterances.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Apr 2013 21:11

Cosmo_R wrote:India has a swathe of laws that make it rather difficult to call a spade a spade. For example:

IPC 153(A) (promoting enmity between different groups on ground of religion, race, place of birth, language and doing acts prejudicial to maintenance of harmony)

OTOH, the spade gets to do/say whatever it wants. It also does not help when our bete noire, MMS goes on to say that TSP is also a victim of terror. I won't even go doofus Shinde's utterances.

Indian laws are different
Indians are different
Indian threats are different

What do people think we can learn from America, which has different laws, different people and different threats? Cursing MMS on a thread about Boston bombs could be a sign of Indian coolie mentality that blindly demands that we learn from the US without knowing the differences.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Apr 2013 21:23

A bit about the 'Al Harabi' clan and its presence in the US. Nothing has been proven or speculated at this time. The person(saudi student) is 'no longer a person of interest' as previously reported by several MSM outlets.

Al_Harabi

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Apr 2013 21:30

ramana wrote:Garooda, Congrats on posting the first pics of those two bystanders who are now prime suspects.

Credit really goes to '4chan' and their team(whoever/wherever/however they are). I'm still not convinced if these two suspects are it. Has to
be more hidden in many images/videos which are still being analyzed by individuals/organizations/alphabet agencies and MSM outlets.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Apr 2013 21:50

looks like some of the plotters linked to saudi elites will be just be deported quietly in dead of night to KSA, while the low level monkeys will be rounded up and thrown in a cage, after declaring a huge victory.

prince turki bin faisal, that great cigar smoking friend of the bush clan had arranged a similar deal within 48 hrs of 9-11. planeloads of saudi elites were chaperoned by the FBI and let go , without any enquiry if they had any links to the hijackers.

kathryn bigelow will likely make a film on the manhunt and eventual capture in a year or two with full gotus support..strong lean undercover cops and ST6 "operators" finally nabbing the suspect in some old apartment in say woburn or small time suburban enclave.

there will be a pulitzer prize winning long article on the plot (omitting some inconvenient details) in LAtimes or NYT or WP or The Atlantic.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Apr 2013 21:53

Singha wrote: prince turki bin faisal, that great cigar smoking friend of the bush clan had arranged a similar deal within 48 hrs of 9-11. planeloads of saudi elites were chaperoned by the FBI and let go , without any enquiry if they had any links to the hijackers.

But Americans have implicit faith in their government and genuinely believe that all this crap was right and represents victory for freedom. Indians react differently. We are different in so many ways. We do not trust government blindly.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Apr 2013 22:01

shiv wrote:
Singha wrote: prince turki bin faisal, that great cigar smoking friend of the bush clan had arranged a similar deal within 48 hrs of 9-11. planeloads of saudi elites were chaperoned by the FBI and let go , without any enquiry if they had any links to the hijackers.
But Americans have implicit faith in their government and genuinely believe that all this crap was right and represents victory for freedom. Indians react differently. We are different in so many ways. We do not trust government blindly.

Not necessarily true. There are several groups who totally distrust the government at any level (township/county/state/federal). Unfortunately many trust/believe/worship the MSM blindly which is the political arm of the parties they represent. Such is the power of Television and Commercial Echo (especially way before the elections). Buzz words for now is PIPA/CISPA and how it will eventually control pretty much everything that might slip away and reveal the truth.

CISPA_Cyber_Security_Bill

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 22:09

And they have Fox News channel and many other outlets which have widespread dissemination. Its in full force right now worried that its domestic terrorism in Boston.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 18 Apr 2013 22:15

Garooda wrote:
ramana wrote:Garooda, Congrats on posting the first pics of those two bystanders who are now prime suspects.
Credit really goes to '4chan' and their team(whoever/wherever/however they are). I'm still not convinced if these two suspects are it. Has to
be more hidden in many images/videos which are still being analyzed by individuals/organizations/alphabet agencies and MSM outlets.

From same subreddit:-

1) Man with large black bag standing against a wall as seen here. Part of a police force, his partner is standing farther to his right and both can later be found post explosion off in the distance.

2) Blue Track suit and white hat guys. The blue track suit guy has already gone to court and proven his innocence. White hat guy is a friend and coaches track in the area. Both are presumed innocent unless further information comes up. No pictures due to witch hunts of these two innocent people.

3) this guy was targeted as being suspicious due to him running away so soon . This is a simple fight or flight response, his response was overwhelmingly flight. He is later seen at an ambulance in other pictures.

Source:http://www.reddit.com/r/findbostonbombe ... each_site/

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Apr 2013 22:28

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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Apr 2013 22:28

from above link..turns out the 100% yemeni kamandu is a moroccan-american high school kid with a friend, who does track sports hence the duffel bag perhaps for his clothes and towels
http://gawker.com/5994955/the-posts-per ... irculation

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 18 Apr 2013 22:31

anmol wrote:From same subreddit:-

Thanks and Concur.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 18 Apr 2013 23:06

More than these guys, i am interested about the white bearded guy with red Tshirt and blue jacket with a silver band strip bag on his arms in the Chan pics posted. The shredded bag shown had a sliver strip similar to what that bearded guy was having. He was very near the 'fence' and near the boy that was killed. Was he injured? 2nd pic on the left below the NE Indian looking guy..check the strap color of the bag he is holding..

http://i.imgur.com/kXPxQFk.jpg

Added pic url.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 23:07

Garooda, Deleted the posts. Report any if you think are objectionable.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 18 Apr 2013 23:11

Ramana,

I agree on the government released pictures. If you notice many of the faces were deliberately blurred by GOTUS.
But why the hell why post NY post nonsense.

These are real people and there are real consequences.
Again I request that people cease and desist.

Let the police do their jobs legally and we will know soon enough.....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Apr 2013 23:13

Again same as Garooda. Report the posts and help.
I already edited two posts.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 18 Apr 2013 23:29

Varoon Shekhar wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284986

A cry of empathy by an American for... Syria and Iraq. Once again, it is simply mind boggling, the short shrift or sidelining India receives. And this article is carried by an Indian newsmagazine.

India is an obvious example of a country, that too a pluralistic democracy, which has suffered and is still suffering from terrorism. Yet there is barely an acknowledgement of it. You do hear American commentators refer to the scourage of terror in New York, London, Madrid, Tel Aviv, Paris, Afghanistan, and now Syria, but not India. They simply cannot or will not include city names like Delhi, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, along with the other world cities. Something is very rotten somewhere. We'll simply have to rely on Pakistani origin writers like Tarek Fatah, to be inclusive with India.

+100

And I am sure that there will be posters blaming one section or the other. When are we going to get our own history right? We have tolerated terror for decades, across generations and across parties.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 18 Apr 2013 23:32

shiv wrote:
Singha wrote: prince turki bin faisal, that great cigar smoking friend of the bush clan had arranged a similar deal within 48 hrs of 9-11. planeloads of saudi elites were chaperoned by the FBI and let go , without any enquiry if they had any links to the hijackers.
But Americans have implicit faith in their government and genuinely believe that all this crap was right and represents victory for freedom. Indians react differently. We are different in so many ways. We do not trust government blindly.

Is it the work of AM? (like our IM?). The American Mujhaeedin

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 19 Apr 2013 00:10

I'm sure several folks on BR has already identified the recipe of this particular method used in Boston.
A Blast From The Past

NEW DELHI: Terrorists in camps purportedly operating along the Baluchistan border between Pakistan and Afghanistan are being trained in making and exploding pressure cooker bombs, which were used in the Delhi blasts last year and at least in two explosions in Varanasi this past Tuesday.

The "course" also included the manufacturing of pressure cooker bombs fitted with clock-timer, similar to the one used in the improvised explosive device defused at Godolia in Varanasi on Tuesday.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Apr 2013 00:12

Singha wrote: prince turki bin faisal, that great cigar smoking friend of the bush clan had arranged a similar deal within 48 hrs of 9-11. planeloads of saudi elites were chaperoned by the FBI and let go , without any enquiry if they had any links to the hijackers.

Its prince bandar not prince Turki. saudi elites (Bin ladin and al saud) were spread all over the country and were by and large 15 -22 year old kids studying in boarding schools/universities as well as a few saudi govt officials on holiday... Are you suggesting by the way that they had links to hijackers?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Apr 2013 00:25

Shiv ^^^ you misunderstand.

Not cursing out MMS about Boston. Only trying get across one reason (there are many) rest of world doesn't seem to care about India—to them WE appear not to care. We appear not to care because we can't and don't. We'll light a few candles, read a few editorials and spew bile on fora. That's it.

Until and unless the outrage remains high over time, it shows us and the rest of the world we don't care and they are glad because then they don't have to either.

Makes sense to me but your mileage may vary.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Apr 2013 00:59

JE Menon wrote:Maybe, for fun, I should deactivate my account and sign in and play this little game of pushing things further to the right. Probably no need.
It's inevitable.

OT alert
Considering the last two sentences, I thought you would do the exact opposite - push it in the right direction with logic rather than wielding a lathi (not saying that you have a heavy hand).