Boston Bombing Followup Thread

[ArmenT]

Look for the ex-wife to give stirring defense to the fools actions and defend her stupid choices to the max. She knows more esp. since she kept up the hadien appearance even after divorce. She was even living with him it looks like after divorce. Tells me the divorce was for convenience only to firewall her from what he was doing.

Can you please post a link where she is stated as his ex-wife. All the articles I've read so far state that she is his wife (and now his widow). No mention of divorce as far as I have seen.

[Pranav]

Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits - http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/lo ... e_benefits .

Wife's home health care job is also not at all lucrative, maybe only minimum wage.

[ArmenT]

The thing that is hard to explain is where they got the money to live.

The Dzokhar guy was listed as a student of UMass Dartmouth and it was also reported that he was living in the dorms, not at home. From the brochure on UMass's website (Guide to Financial Aid <-- Look at page 4), we are told a typical undergrad's direct yearly expenses estimate for 2013-2014 are Tuition ($1,417), Fees ($10,264), Room + Board ($10,574) for a total of $22,255 on average for a student taking 12 credits and living on the university campus. This excludes the costs of occasional pizza, gasoline for car, pot, beer etc. It is reported that the guy owned a Honda car. And the guy had no known source of income.

The Tamerlan dude was officially unemployed, but living in Watertown, pretty close to the Cambridge area, which is the 8th most expensive city to live in America. Rent for a typical 1 bedroom apartment there is around $1,600-$1,700 at least. The guy went to a boxing gym there and cost of coaching, equipment, protein supplements etc. are pretty expensive and he certainly wasn't getting any sponsorship because he kept an amateur status. His wife has a job (as a home care giver) that doesn't pay all that well. On top of that, he and his wife had a baby which costs around $10K per year in the first year alone. And he took off for Russia for 6 months and didn't work there either, so he must have been living off of some savings. And he drove a Mercedes (then again, it could have come from wife's family, but still he would have been paying for insurance, gas, maintenance etc.) Question is where was the money was coming from? His wife's 70-80 hour week is not enough to cover the expenses, given that her job is a home care giver. My guess (and this is only my guess, not necessarily true) is the man must have been dealing in drugs or steroids or something of that sort.

Also, given that the apartment that the guy and his wife shared is a one bedroom apartment that doesn't look that big to start with, it is kinda hard to imagine he could hide much from her. I wonder if she knew something was up in advance.

[Paul]

The Tsaernev brithers are Turkics.....They were not Arabs, could why they slipped under the FBI radar.

One more pointer to the Turkic embrace of Islamism gathering full steam. Chechens are Circassians and will link up with the Arab spring in the Levant region.

[Theo_Fidel]

Armen,

You are right they are not divorced. For some reason I keep thing they had.

[manjgu]

guys i am confused !

i) they showed a person totally nude/alive being hauled inside a police car. If the elder bro was killed by police shots/crushed under a car and the younger one was caught from a boat ..then who was this guy who was stripped and shoved inside the police car??

ii) for any redemption from the scourge of Islamic terrorism the whole narrative which is fed to children/adults abt victimhood, oppression by kaffirs. danger to religion etc will have to change. No society however inclusive, bla bla can compete with ill effects of such a narrative. How can it be done is the million dollar question.

[ArmenT]

guys i am confused !

i) they showed a person totally nude/alive being hauled inside a police car. If the elder bro was killed by police shots/crushed under a car and the younger one was caught from a boat ..then who was this guy who was stripped and shoved inside the police car??

He turned out to be an innocent party who turned up at the wrong place at the wrong time. The Boston PD made him strip down so that they could ensure he wasn't carrying anything. After determining he was an innocent third party, they let him go without charge.

[SaiK]

If the folks dont watch it, it will become a new paradigm to emulate for the terrorists.

FBI is hiding and covering for future terror ops for sure then.. by ignoring all potential, and unknown-unknown avenues.. as said, by singha.. this is the beginning then.

Letting FBI keep doing its CYA, and ignore or does stealthy ops.. Your CT can also tear apart civil liberties too, as there is no guarantee they can't do anything for their CYA upkeep, even for a small failure.

this is a dangerous proposition for the evil forces out there in the dark.

[Pranav]

guys i am confused !

i) they showed a person totally nude/alive being hauled inside a police car. If the elder bro was killed by police shots/crushed under a car and the younger one was caught from a boat ..then who was this guy who was stripped and shoved inside the police car??

Identity not revealed. Aunt claims it is the older bro. Some pics -

[SaiK]

it does look like boxer arms... and he does have the paki nose

[pentaiah]

Are these guys Tartars?

[Singha]

must be a body double of tamerlane, looking at the exact similar match of hairline and the muscular physique

what are the chances of a random guy looking so similar and having a matching gym toned body ?

the mystery deepens...maybe they tried to use him to make the younger bro surrender...and he made a run for it, was shot down and younger bro floors the pedal and escapes...

but then who was the 2nd guy firing with younger bro - could be another jihadi who either escaped or was gunned down but not revealed.

[SaiK]

so, it could be that FBI is hiding the tamerlen guy -- also remember, local mosque has no notice about burial request, as wished by their mother. so, they might put him on an "unthinkable rendition".

[Pranav]

so, it could be that FBI is hiding the tamerlen guy -- also remember, local mosque has no notice about burial request, as wished by their mother. so, they might put him on an "unthinkable rendition".

IMO, the encounter was fake but Tamerlan is dead. They may have wanted to silence him. How he younger bro got his throat injury is also not clear, given that he climbed out of the boat with apparently no such injury. IMO these bros really did carry out the bombing but the FBI may have watched them without interfering, or may even have encouraged them through a shill. They have a history of doing that in many other cases.

[ramana]

The Tsaernev brithers are Turkics.....They were not Arabs, could why they slipped under the FBI radar.

One more pointer to the Turkic embrace of Islamism gathering full steam. Chechens are Circassians and will link up with the Arab spring in the Levant region.

Thanks for that tip. I was wondering where the Circassians melted away. That means the Chechens were once part of Ottomon Turkey?

[ramana]

may be the bros names does not sound islamic enough to cause alarm to FBI early warnings, in boston case. the interesting thing is internet bomb making inputs, and investigation claims that they have no contract with terrorists.. now that is funny.. 'cause they themselves are terrorists, and why they need to contract any group..

the boston case purely and simply puts the mother of all black mark and verifies and validates islam aids terror. these bros had no contact with any terror org, and how come the religion helped them to do so?

I have stopped caring what the US thinks about Islamic radicalism. It is their headache. But I think we can learn as we monitor the progress of immigration and then a sense of grievance and entitlement among second generation children of immigrant Muslims leading to a fight for Islam. This has happened in Britain. It is happening in Canada. It will happen in the US as well. I will have chai biskoot and watch chuckling to myself at all the silly things that have been told to me about how the US is so inclusive, so wealthy and so good that turd world nations need to look and learn. I am looking and learning.

You can be as inclusive as you like but if your immigrant's family think the world must be handed to Allah's followers on a platter and hold a grievance that not handing the world to them that way that way is being against Allah - then shame on you for imagining that wealth and inclusiveness are all that humans need.

Very perceptive post here. And not to mention very unsecular too in an Indian way!

The process is called reversion. The second and subsequent generations of Musilims reverts to an idealised mard-e-momin interpretation of Islam in a search for identity. Some generation idenitfy with their land of birth land yet some generations revert. This is random meme.

Even if the immigration is by invasion or conquest the subsequent generations see this reversion. Indian history is repelte with periodic emergence of radical Islamists(Akbar before he became Shah-en-Shah, Salim aka Jehangir, Aurangazeb, most of the Bahmani sultans, Tippu, many of the Nizam's Western educated elites and so on) despite being the rulers and elite due to this very human failing.

Add to this the dogma of Islam reinforces the very alienation that foster reversion. Islam keeps reinforcing the idea that the true adherent is Arabic in mindset even if he has no Arab roots. Add the greivance and the world is out to get you meme to the mix. And reverted radicals are praised in Islamist hagiographies.

[Bade]

Ramana, it is probably like 50-50 of the highlighted parts in your post above. You need both strains to create these monsters. One alone will not do it.

[ramana]

Did I say only one strand? Just because we talk and write linearly it does not mean world is linear.

Reversion happens in all immigrant communities. Its documented fact in US. The third generation seeks its roots. Among Islamic communites it searches for a purer version of Islam. And Islam memes reinforce the alienation whihc makes it harder to assimilate.

Meanwhile Dzhokar outlines the plot

Boston Bombing suspect outlines the plot

BOSTON — Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has told investigators that he and his older brother planned the Boston Marathon bombings only a week or so before the race, that they were operating alone, and that they received no training or support from outside terrorist groups, officials said Tuesday.

His comments appear to support investigators' theory that the attack was hastily conceived by two siblings who were self-radicalized.

Writing answers from his hospital bed because he was shot in the throat, the 19-year-old accused bomber also said that his slain older brother, Tamerlan, was "upset" by the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and that anger was the motivation to plant two crude homemade bombs along the crowded race route.

U.S. counter-terrorism official said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev mentioned the wars "as a general justification for what he did"; a law enforcement official said he did not seem as bothered about America's role in the Muslim world. The law enforcement official said authorities were developing a clearer picture from the suspect's responses and from records of Internet activity that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was the driving force behind the April 15 bombings.

Fresh details about the grisly plot emerged on a grim, wind-swept day of funerals for 8-year-old Martin Richard, the youngest of the three people killed in the blasts, and for 26-year-old Sean Collier, an MIT police officer shot to death during the manhunt that ensued.

The Boston Public Health Commission said 264 runners and bystanders were treated for injuries related to the bombings, more than previously known, as people continued to trickle into emergency rooms. About 51 remain in hospitals.

A team of law enforcement and intelligence agents from the High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group questioned Tsarnaev before a federal magistrate opened a hearing at his bedside Monday and informed him of his constitutional right to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination. He faces federal criminal charges of using a weapon of mass destruction, and if convicted could face the death penalty.

During the questioning before he was formally charged, Tsarnaev said he and his brother did not practice detonating the pressure-cooker bombs, according to a U.S. official who has been briefed on the interrogation and who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.

Officials said no evidence had emerged to indicate the brothers had co-conspirators, and despite U.S. fears of foreign involvement, investigators have tentatively concluded that Tamerlan did not meet with Islamist militants or attend a training camp during a visit to Russia last year. That trip was his only known foreign travel as an adult.

A law enforcement official said investigators believed the Tsarnaevs built their bombs after consulting a how-to guide in Inspire, an online magazine published by the Al Qaeda franchise in Yemen. In a 2010 article, the English-language magazine urged would-be terrorists to build a crude bomb using a pressure cooker, gunpowder from shotgun shells or fireworks, and other easily obtainable items.

Investigators say they have confirmed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev purchased fireworks in southern New Hampshire, just over the Massachusetts state line. On Feb. 6, they say, he walked into the Phantom Fireworks store in Seabrook, N.H., and asked the clerk, "What is the most powerful item you have?"

The president of Phantom Fireworks, Bruce Zoldan, said in a telephone interview that the clerk behind the counter that day, Megan Kearns, told investigators that she remembered Tsarnaev's comment because most customers buy an assortment of fireworks, but he only wanted the biggest sets they sold.

He paid more than $400 in cash for two "Lock and Load" reloadable mortar kits, each with four tubes and 24 shells, Zoldan said. Each shell can fly more than 100 feet into the air and explode in a colorful and noisy light display. The store records the name and driver's license number of each customer, Zoldan said. That was how the company linked the purchase to Tamerlan Tsarnaev after the FBI asked about the two brothers Friday.

The shells Tsarnaev purchased would hold 1.5 pounds of gunpowder, but it's unclear whether the explosive was used in the marathon bombings.

"It certainly appears as if the bomb design is consistent with that described in Inspire, but there may be other online sources," said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), who attended a House briefing on the case. "Plainly, a significant part of the radicalization took place online."

Amid questions about whether U.S. intelligence or law enforcement agencies missed possible warning signs, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano appeared on Capitol Hill and defended her agency's handling of the case.

The FBI interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev at his home after Russian authorities warned in early 2011 that he might have ties to radical groups, and the FBI subsequently placed an immigration alert on his name.

He traveled to the Russian republic of Dagestan in early 2012, but the alert was not triggered because the airline misspelled his name on the manifest. By the time he returned six months later, the one-year FBI alert had expired and he was not flagged for additional screening, Napolitano said.

"By the time he returned, all investigations had been — the matter had been closed," Napolitano told the Senate Judiciary Committee. She said she would provide additional details in a classified hearing later this week.

The FBI said it had found no evidence to back up Russia's warnings about Tsarnaev, and on Tuesday officials pointed fingers at Russian authorities for not answering their follow-up questions at the time.

"The Russians now are falling short on backing up their initial claims" about Tamerlan Tsarnaev's alleged radical ties, a U.S. counter-terrorism official said. "It's tenuous. They certainly didn't have much on him, or else why did they let him in the country, and why did they let him leave?"

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, died after a firefight with police on a Watertown, Mass., street early Friday. His younger brother was captured Friday night with gunshot wounds to the head, neck, legs and hand. Doctors at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center upgraded his condition from serious to fair on Tuesday.

An attorney for Tamerlan Tsarnaev's widow, Katherine Russell, said she was "doing everything she can to assist with the investigation."

"The injuries and loss of life — to people who came to celebrate a race and a holiday — [have] caused profound distress and sorrow to Katie and her family. The reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all," her attorney, Amato A. DeLuca, said in a statement.

Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino announced Tuesday that $20 million had been raised to help the wounded and the families of the dead, with donations ranging from a $1-million check from one contributor to "young people doing lemonade stands, $5, $10 — it runs the gamut."

In all, the One Fund Boston has received 50,000 donations from around the world, he said.

"I never imagined after this tragedy last Monday the generosity of the folks," said an emotional Menino. "The business community of Boston especially, but around the world.… $5 million was generated by simple clicks of your computer."

Kenneth R. Feinberg, who administered victims' funds after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and other disasters, will oversee disbursement of the money. On Tuesday he said that the deadline for applications was June 15 and that checks would be cut to the victims and their families by June 30.

"I am amazed, in my experience, to see this type of outpouring so quickly in such large amounts after this horrific tragedy," Feinberg said. "One thing I've learned is … never underestimate the charitable impulse of the American people."

Boston officials also partly reopened Boylston Street for the first time since the bombings turned the thoroughfare into a crime scene. Traffic and pedestrians were still barred, but people who live or work along the usually busy street were instructed to meet at Hynes Convention Center at designated times, and then were escorted to their buildings.

Everyone was told to leave by 7 p.m., however, and it wasn't clear when the street would reopen to normal traffic.

Walking past the bomb sites on Boylston was "very eerie," said Tim Donohue, a vice president with IHRDC, a company that provides training for the oil and gas industry. He said it had been difficult "not knowing each day whether we're going to be allowed back to our offices."

Enrique Rivera, a cook at Lolita's Cocina & Tequila Bar, said the lost week of work could mean a dent in his income. "If we don't work, we don't earn," said Rivera, who is from Mexico.

Rivera spent several hours helping clean the restaurant, but said he did not know when it could reopen. "They won't allow in everything we need to run the restaurant," he said. "For example, the trucks that bring in meat, vegetables — we don't have those."

At a late afternoon news conference, Boston Police Supt. William Evans gave an updated version of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Friday night arrest, saying the suspect fired first as police approached his hiding place in a motorboat stored behind a home in Watertown.

"Shots rang out behind the house," he said. He said the suspect repeatedly poked at the plastic tarp over the boat to peer outside or to fire more shots.
He said police took cover in the driveway and in two adjacent homes. "We hoped to negotiate him out," Evans said.

"We were driven by the tragedy. We all were.... We had a mission. We wanted to catch this guy. Not only for what they did to our poor victims, but for what they did to our marathon."

In the end, Tsarnaev climbed out of the boat and the FBI let Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority police put handcuffs on him, in respect for one of their officers who was wounded the night before.

When it was over, "there was no greater feeling in the world," Evans said. "We all started hugging each other."

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Maria L. La Ganga and Michael A. Memoli in Boston, Matt Pearce and Seema Mehta in Los Angeles, and Brian Bennett in Washington contributed to this report.

[SaiK]

the same "tamerlan syndrome" happens in desh too.. we have millions of tamerlans for the k-word. when the tamerlans hit the boston fakirs, it gets world wide attention.. and when million sdre fakirs die at the hands tamerlan kasabs, and what not tamerlanic crusade on fakirs, we just phase off, and go into a mode "that all is well".

from the pressure cooker test video to tamerlan exposures, there is so much to learn for India.

[Bade]

Ramana, was reinforcing what you mentioned. The general feel usually is it is just the former that completes the circle to go postal. It is important to understand this to look for solutions, otherwise one ends up with a solution which is not implementable in any multi-religious societies.

[Theo_Fidel]

Ramana,

More muslim than muslim??

All this Inshallah and AOA and PUBH nonsense is in that service. These are coded dog whistles encouraging racism and bigotry amongst the muslim folk...

[SaiK]

no,MTTT...well only if you look at the outcomes, you will realize this.. i can be banned for this though... hence the strike off!..

[svinayak]

The Tsaernev brithers are Turkics.....They were not Arabs, could why they slipped under the FBI radar.

One more pointer to the Turkic embrace of Islamism gathering full steam. Chechens are Circassians and will link up with the Arab spring in the Levant region.

Thanks for that tip. I was wondering where the Circassians melted away. That means the Chechens were once part of Ottomon Turkey?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... hite0.html
Are The Tsarnaevs White?
by Peter Beinart Apr 24, 2013 12:15 PM EDT

But the bombers were white Americans. The Tsarnaev brothers had lived in the United States for over a decade. Dzhokhar was a U.S. citizen. Tamerlan was a legal permanent resident in the process of applying for citizenship. And as countless commentators have noted, the Tsarnaevs hail from the Caucasus, and are therefore, literally, “Caucasian.” You can’t get whiter than that.

So why did conservatives mock Sirota for being wrong? Because in public conversation in America today, “Islam” is a racial term. Being Muslim doesn’t just mean not being Christian or Jewish. It means not being white.

Think about American history and you can understand why. For centuries, Americans were legally segregated by race. Thus, when newcomers from the Middle East came to our shores, Americans had to decide which side of the line they were on. And in the struggle to be classified as white, Middle Eastern Christians had an advantage: Jesus. In the 1915 case Dow v. United States, a Syrian Christian successfully argued that he was white because Jesus, the original Middle Eastern Christian, was too. In 1925, in United States v. Cartozian, the Court designated Armenians as white because, “[a]lthough the Armenian province is within the confines of the Turkish Empire, being in Asia Minor, the people thereof have always held themselves aloof from Turks, the Kurds, and allied peoples, principally, it might be said, on account of their [Christian] religion.” In the 1942 case In Re Ahmed Hassan, a Michigan Court said a petitioner from Yemen was not white because, “Apart from the dark skin of the Arabs, it is well known that they are a part of the Mohammedan world and that a wide gulf separates their culture from that of the predominately Christian peoples of Europe.”

[ramana]

...
Several people who attended the Islamic Society of Boston mosque in Cambridge, Mass., have been investigated for Islamic terrorism, including a conviction of the mosque's first president, Abdulrahman Alamoudi, in connection with an assassination plot against a Saudi prince.

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USA Today.

[ramana]

Some reports of a body found in a river by the coach of the Brown Uty rowing team.

[Prem]

Dal me Kaala Nahi Dal Hi Kaali hai, Amrika waale nahi Samjate yeh baat jo Samajne wali hai !
These terrorists' Paki state Of Mind is known but Slow and steady Paki State connection will come out. We have another week or so to find out.

[ramana]

Salon.com:

Boston exposes America's dark post 9/11 bargain

....
At the literal birth moment of American democracy, Benjamin Franklin summed it up in a single sentence: “Those who would give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

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[ramana]

Taqqiya rolls in on CNN:

Dont Punish Muslims for Boston Attack

Don’t punish Muslims for Boston attack
By Haider Mullick, Special to CNN

Editor’s note: Haider Mullick is a fellow at Tufts University, the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding and a lecturer at the Naval Postgraduate School. The views expressed are his own.

Last week, evil visited Boston. In the ensuing weeks and months we will debate preventing and fighting terrorism. Why did a 19-year-old Chechen-American allegedly place a bomb next to an eight-year-old child? How can we stop this from happening again? Some think the answers are in expanding security for all, but by restricting civil liberties and immigration of Muslims. Others believe the best response is business as usual – defeating terrorism by not being terrorized. But before we act we must reflect on what we’re trying to protect and punish: American pluralism and intolerance.

{The 19 year old had located a spot and placed the bomb. The poor 8 year old was unfortunate to be there. The bomb was to target anyone who is a bystander to the Boston Marathon. So its a false arguement.}

Unlike the founders of many nation-states, America’s founding fathers did not fight for an ethnic or religious state; they fought for Protestants and Deists, blue blood and blue collar, slave owners and humanitarians, soldiers and Quakers, and British loyalists and British-Americans. Soon after, thousands of Irish, Italians, and Germans arrived, and as years went by the American garden of liberty welcomed the peoples of Asia, Africa and Latin America, and the lonely Christian cross accepted the Star of David, the Islamic Crescent, and Darwin’s fish. The union was – and still is – imperfect and incomplete; yet human malice cannot live long under the seal of E pluribus unum (out of Many, One).

{Guy is a Paki. He doesn't mention Hindus at all!!!}

Yet oneness is not the negation of diversity. Hyphenated Americans come in all verities of motherlands, religion, creed and race. The American Constitution of fair play is the arbiter between oneness and diversity. We’re free to exercise our religion, but not free to impose it on others, and we’re free to vote with our conscience, but not free to define it for others.

The law of the land was not always in spirit with the Declaration of Independence. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness excluded blacks, women and the landless. But Americans fought physically for a more perfect union even when the Civil War nearly tore it apart, and morally in the Civil Rights movement. Once you made America home, you became home to the American idea, constantly balancing preservation with improvement.

Like the earlier days of the union, today’s immigrants are attracted to America’s openness. Yet some take the oath of allegiance solely as a means for acquiring personal wealth or, in fewer numbers, to spread violent totalitarianism. America’s business is business, but that business is protected by our social contract: respecting and upholding the law, and shunning “all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty.”

The fact is that although terrorism is inspired by numerous doctrines, the enormity of attacks by those that have robbed Islam of its humanity stand out. As a result, American Muslims today are asked to prove their love for country. Such mistrust is not new. Early nativists called for the cleansing of the country of the Irish, Germans and Italians, and later of the Japanese and German Americans during and after World War II. Some wanted a Christian country without Jews, and today some want it without Muslims.

{Err its not so. Those who robbed Islam of its humanity are supported by the rest who cling to Islam as a shield to protect their political dogmas which are based on victim hood and the 'world owes me' entititlement. In Canada, radical Islamists are often turned in by the community, unlike in America where they are shielded and defended with strawman arguments like the present one.}

But violence is violence no matter what cloaks it: religion, ethnicity, or mental disorder. Punishing an entire group of people goes against America’s progress toward creating a better union.

{Where is anyone punishing an entire group of people? Or is the punishment of the bombers seen as a proxy collective punishment? This article is premptive strike by the author.
Same arguments are made in India too. Sanjay Dutt the privileged child of famous Indian parents claimed his Muslimness when he was given a watered own sentence for his criminal behaviour.
The surviving bomber Dzhokar has said that they were troubled by US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. How is a Chechen- American bothered by that except through the idea of Islamic brotherhood where he feels the pain for his 'brothers' but not for the victims of 9/11 attacks? So isn't the idea of Islamic brotherhood, a tenet of Islam or is it a figment of imagination?}

Today, we must try and punish Americans who harm us. Not, though, as members of an ethnic or religious group, but as Americans who broke their oath. The message should be clear: American capitalism may be a casino, but American citizenship is a long-term commitment, and American values of democracy and rule of law are not given, but earned.

{Why bring in Capitalism in this argument about crime and punishment?}

Preventing all terrorism is impossible, but we must work together as Americans. We must realize the great contributions of Muslim scientists, professors, doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs, soldiers and law enforcement personnel to our American life. Many Muslim American patriots work tirelessly to protect us from threats every day. They leverage their wisdom, cultural diversity and linguistic skills to uphold our Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Yes, there are Muslim Americans who have hurt us, like Colleen LaRose and Major Nidal Hasan. {And many others!}But Muslim Americans should continue to help prevent and deter such attacks when they can – this is not the time to divide and scare the ones who stand to gain the most from preventing terrorist attacks.

{Under Amercian law one has to inform the police if one knows about a plot or an attack. Otherwise you become an accessory to the crime. So its not a 'when they can"}

Protecting pluralism and punishing intolerance is quintessentially American. I’m a Muslim American: Lincoln inspires me, Marines embrace me, and God humbles me. If I break the law put me on trial, but don’t tread on me.

Again strawman attacks and appeals. And intolerance is a essential feature of Islam which is followed by Muslims. So what are you and American or a Muslim? For the hyphen is an oxy-moron.}

[Prem]

Taqqiya rolls in on CNN:
Dont Punish Muslims for Boston Attack

Don’t punish Muslims for Boston attack
By Haider Mullick, Special to CNN
i]Again strawman attacks and appeals. And intolerance is a essential feature of Islam which is followed by Muslims. So what are you and American or a Muslim? For the hyphen is an oxy-moron.}[/i]

How easily he forget Grand Poobah who punished the whole tribes of Jews especially the adults of Banu Quraiza tribe.
To accept his argument he must acknowledge that man made American Constitution is far better document than the example set by Mohammod.

[Bob V]

Conspiracy theorists are out. (Please don't ban me for posting it)
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[Suraj]

The Circassians were forcibly evicted under orders from Tsar Alexander II in 1859-61 after the Russians prevailed in the Caucasus Wars. They were readily welcomed by the Ottoman Empire, if they chose to convert to Islam. Many ended up as modern Turks, Kurds, Syrians and Iranians.

[ramana]

The Circassians could be oldtime Indics. They have similar swords as ancient Indians. Khanjali. ArmenT some thing to mull over.

[Agnimitra]

Circassians were converted via Qadiriyyah Sufi orders. Qadiri is an offshoot of Naqshbandi line.

The Sufi communal "zikr" (their type of "kirtan", chanting names of Allah) of the Chechen Qadiris sounds ghostly and is quite famous, it looks and sounds like this:

[Paul]

Circassians have old ties with Turkey. Their leader Imam Shamil (Naqshbandi Sufi) migrated to Ottoman Turkey after surrendering to the Russians. His descendants are still living there.

[Paul]

Per anglo-saxon folklore Circassians are the ultimate TFTAs.

No wonder the junior joker is already getting a fan following on the internet.

[ramana]

Is that related to the "Sabres" book you posted? Also isn't Ottomon Turkey, Naqshbandi Sufi anyway? Same as Chagatai Turks aka Mughals?

Paul also read the link posted by Acharya.

It was for this reason I commented that Europe was screwed the day the Chechens became Muslims!

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1444576

[Agnimitra]

Per anglo-saxon folklore Circassians are the ultimate TFTAs.

Explain this.

ramana ji, yes Ottomans were Naqshbandi Sufi.

[Paul]

Yes...it is a good read. Chagatai Turks can considered as Tatarsfrom central Asia per Pentaiah as opposed to the Circassians who come from the Caucasus.

Per the Anglosaxon narrative, they are hesitant to give the Tatar label on the Circassians whom they consider to be their "mele me bichde bhai".

Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Chechnya, Daghestan could be considered white caucasus and the outer fringes of Europe. Hence the Tsaernev brothers are White Europeans.

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Carl: Read the book link that I posted earlier.

[rajsunder]

Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits - http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/lo ... e_benefits .

Wife's home health care job is also not at all lucrative, maybe only minimum wage.

Even in that they make quite an amount no less than 10-15 $/hr. And it is being printed that she used to work 70-80 hours every week.

[Agnimitra]

Carl: Read the book link that I posted earlier.

Sabres of Paradise, got it. will give it a read.

Imam Shamil...remember reading about him in cheap Urdu magazines from the bazars in Hyderabad.
Racially, Circassians are not Turkic. But they are Turkified/Ottomanized.