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We need to reach the Pakjabi area.ranjan.rao wrote:^^even if india doesnt use Iran bases, we can use the arabian sea with Air launched Brahmos from sukhoi to hit a large part fo their infrastructure.
To the west of Indian border IS Pakjab. Heck, Lahore is within artillery/rocket range. All the major Baki cities (except Quetta) are less than 300km from our borders. This is a major reason for the Baki obsession with "strategic depth".svinayak wrote:We need to reach the Pakjabi area.
Kabul, Lahore and POK triangle is the target
Sending captured arms to Pakistan risks their being recaptured and re used against India. Pay rebels Pakistani money to buy in Pakistan. Plenty available in Pakistan.Bheeshma wrote:You don't need 30000 AK's for display. 1000 will do send the rest to ANA or NDS.
Bheeshma wrote:Don't see how iran base helps. Something in tajikistan or Afghanistan is reqd.
The IA uses them. nothing is kept merely for show.shiv wrote:Sending captured arms to Pakistan risks their being recaptured and re used against India. Pay rebels Pakistani money to buy in Pakistan. Plenty available in Pakistan.Bheeshma wrote:You don't need 30000 AK's for display. 1000 will do send the rest to ANA or NDS.
This is a 360 degree ambush on the Pakjabi area. Our airspace approach may be seen escalatory initially and solution may need other options.ranjan.rao wrote:@svinayak: For that do we even need to cross the border for that, leave aside going to Iran. In fact most of their bases and their infrastructure are well within 300 Km of Indian border. With Brahmos-A initial softening can be safely conducted from well inside our borders; Brahmos can't be taken down by their Airdefence due to its supersonic nature.
While I welcome this idea of hitting from Iran but it will be more easy to take the Pakjabi area from our own airspace including PoK.
The game is much bigger. The targets are more than POK. It includes the Tibet area and these rear areas are advantageous options.Kashi wrote:
To the west of Indian border IS Pakjab. Heck, Lahore is within artillery/rocket range. All the major Baki cities (except Quetta) are less than 300km from our borders. This is a major reason for the Baki obsession with "strategic depth".
Tibet is across the border from India/Nepal. To get to Tibet, we need to go EAST/NORTH EAST from Ladakh or NORTH of Uttarakhand/Nepal/Sikkim/Arunachal. In fact the areas of Tibet of greatest interest to us, lie within a relatively narrow belt along our Northern border. Why would we need to traverse PoK for this?svinayak wrote:The game is much bigger. The targets are more than POK. It includes the Tibet area and these rear areas are advantageous options.
RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif on Tuesday confirmed death sentence to another 11 hardcore terrorists.
According to the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), the convicts were involved in heinous offences like terrorism and killing of DIG Fayyaz Sumbal and ASI Raza Khan of Balochistan Police and Inspector Kamran Nazir of the ISI in Quetta.
Those involved in sectarian killings, kidnapping and slaughtering civilians and personnel of the Frontier Constabulary and murder of Major Abdid Majeed of the Pakistan Army are among the convicts.
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Tuesday issued order to deport United States spy Matthew Barret, who was arrested on suspicion of spying and was blacklisted from Pakistan few years back, ARY News reported.
Sources confirmed that the interior ministry had issued order to deport Barret from Pakistan. He will go back to his country safely after a few days.
Few years back, the US spy tried to enter a sensitive area on which he was deported. However, he managed to get Pakistani visa few weeks ago and reached Pakistan. He was arrested at Islamabad airport.
Sources said the government was under pressure to release the spy which led the interior ministry to order release of the US spy.
A few days before reports were received that the government was mulling to free Barret, however it has finally been decided to release him.
Someone in India mentioned that foreign policy shift on Baluchistan etc is done as per Massa USA 's wishes i.e DC on same page and game going on Greater scale than it seems on surface. Mushy Pork will soon be served on platter in South Asia . Orchestra was readied with last visit by PM and now music will play .Kashi wrote:Tibet is across the border from India/Nepal. To get to Tibet, we need to go EAST/NORTH EAST from Ladakh or NORTH of Uttarakhand/Nepal/Sikkim/Arunachal. In fact the areas of Tibet of greatest interest to us, lie within a relatively narrow belt along our Northern border. Why would we need to traverse PoK for this? Unless you meant Xinjiang. In that case Tajikistan/Afghan bases would be of some help, but logistics would be a nightmare unless we can fully and firmly secure PoK under our control.svinayak wrote:The game is much bigger. The targets are more than POK. It includes the Tibet area and these rear areas are advantageous options.
A large number, perhaps cheaper copy weapons have been deactivated and are used as displays in various parts of the country. This was told to me when I asked what was done with them.chetak wrote:The IA uses them. nothing is kept merely for show.shiv wrote: Sending captured arms to Pakistan risks their being recaptured and re used against India. Pay rebels Pakistani money to buy in Pakistan. Plenty available in Pakistan.
Met a commando in a mil hospital who recovering from a bullet wound. He told me that many units preferred to use these captured weapons and that the IA was quite OK with that.shiv wrote:A large number, perhaps cheaper copy weapons have been deactivated and are used as displays in various parts of the country. This was told to me when I asked what was done with them.chetak wrote:
The IA uses them. nothing is kept merely for show.
In Pakistan, the land of the pure, the Supreme Court always bows to those in the military who are more Islamic, more TFTA.Dilbu wrote:Why is the COAS confirming the sentence? He has the authority of a court now?
Since January 2015, when Pakistan empowered military courts to try civilians for terrorism-related offences, 11 military courts have been constituted to hear cases related to terrorism.
These 11 military courts have thus far concluded the trials of 105 people, finding the defendants guilty in 81 cases. Seventy-seven people have been sentenced to death and four have been given life sentences. At least 12 people have been hanged after trials that are grossly unfair.
The ICJ reminds that in August last year, the Supreme Court upheld the legality of the trial of civilians before military courts in contravention of long-established principles of international law and the Court’s own jurisprudence.
Many are in use with paramilitaries and JK Police. (There are pics of JK Police with RPD LMGs)chetak wrote:Met a commando in a mil hospital who recovering from a bullet wound. He told me that many units preferred to use these captured weapons and that the IA was quite OK with that.shiv wrote: A large number, perhaps cheaper copy weapons have been deactivated and are used as displays in various parts of the country. This was told to me when I asked what was done with them.
The answer may lie somewhere in between.
AFAIK, 90 LMGs figure is missing atleast 1 zero. Should be in thousands, not hundredsramana wrote: About 34,000 AK-47 rifles, 5000 grenade launchers, 90 light machine guns, 12,000 revolvers, three anti-tank guns, four anti-aircraft guns, 350 missile launchers and 63,000 kg of explosives, including RDX and more than 100,000 grenades were seized by security forces from terrorists in J&K over the last 25 years, Modi said on August 12, 2016, at an all-party meeting on J&K.“During this period, more than 5,000 foreign terrorists were killed, which is almost equal to the strength of 5 Battalions,” said Modi.
Why is India FP need to align with another countryPrem wrote:
Someone in India mentioned that foreign policy shift on Baluchistan etc is done as per Massa USA 's wishes i.e DC on same page and game going on Greater scale than it seems on surface. Mushy Pork will soon be served on platter in South Asia . Orchestra was readied with last visit by PM and now music will play .
svinayak Ji :svinayak wrote:Why is India FP need to align with another countryPrem wrote:
Someone in India mentioned that foreign policy shift on Baluchistan etc is done as per Massa USA 's wishes i.e DC on same page and game going on Greater scale than it seems on surface. Mushy Pork will soon be served on platter in South Asia . Orchestra was readied with last visit by PM and now music will play .
But Uncle gave support to Pak on the Kashmir and made it back to UN again after 1989
Now uncle wants to do the same with India since it has bad relations with Pak?
India needs a unqiue FP which it can carry with international support
IMO : Nothing has changed. Same Old Wine - Same Old Bottle!SRINAGAR/NEW DELHI, Aug 17 (Reuters) - India is ready to send its top diplomat to Pakistan for talks focused on fighting cross-border terrorism, sources at India’s foreign ministry said on Wednesday, after a spike in tension in the disputed northernmost region of Kashmir.
Indian Foreign Secretary Subrahmanyam Jaishankar was willing to attend talks on the invitation of his Pakistani counterpart, the sources said, stressing that cross-border terrorism was central to the situation in Jammu and Kashmir state.
For good measure Bangladesh’s Minister of Information, Hasanul Haque Inu , also accused the Islamic Republic of Pakistan of exporting Mohammadden Terror:…………… Speaking to The Hindu, Hasanul Haque Inu , the visiting Minister of Information in the Sheikh Hasina government, said Balochistan was facing the brunt of Pakistan’s military establishment, which “targeted” the Bengalis in East Pakistan in 1971 before the creation of Bangladesh.
“Pakistan has a very bad track record as far as addressing aspiration of nationalities is concerned. They learnt nothing from the defeat of 1971 and continued to practise the same policy of repression and are now targeting the Baloch nationalists,” Mr. Inu said.
“Bangladesh is constitutionally bound to support liberation struggles and we will soon declare an official policy on Balochistan,” he added. ……………..
A_Gupta wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... s-2980895/
India rejects Pakistan’s invitation for talks, says ready to discuss cross-border terrorism not Kashmir
Pakistan Research Institutes have failed to develop a single seed during last two decades contrary to India where a lot of new seeds have developed
Zahid Hussain expressed concern over the future of the country's rice exports as some major markets have been lost while some others are under threat. Pakistan has missed annual rice export targets for five years necessitating government intervention before it is too late as 3.86 million metric tonnes of rice was exported in 2016 compared to 4.26 million metric tonnes on the corresponding period of the year before, he said.
He said that government has neither incentivized rice exporters directly nor intervened/procured rice, however gifted about 0.6 million tonnes to China (???) which helped recovery from gloomy market with respect to prices.
KABUL: Making common cause with India, Afghanistan has backed Narendra Modi’s recent comments slamming those who “glorify” terrorism, adding that some in the region are using terrorists as “strategic tools”.
In an exclusive interaction with the ‘Asian Age’ newspaper, Afghan Ambassador in New Delhi Shaida Mohammad Abdali made it clear that Taliban terrorists have found sanctuary in Pakistan and said the Pakistan government should drive them out if they do not agree to participate in the peace process.
Not naming any country but leaving no one in doubt as to which he was referring to, the Afghan envoy said, “We should call terrorists as terrorists. ... We in this region, some, look at terrorists as strategic tools. That is the problem. The crux of the matter is the use of terrorism under various names but in reality it is the State that is engineering against other neighbours ... we hope terrorism is not glorified as Prime Minister Modi mentioned in his Independence Day speech. He said that some terrorists are glorified. I fully agree.”
3. Defence budget2. Why Gwadar?Gwadar as a trans-shipment port to China makes no economic sense. Truck cargoes from Gwadar to China travelling for 7,000 km to 8,000 km make no economic sense. Oil to China through Gwadar makes no economic sense. Similarly, Chinese products traveling for 7,000 km to 8,000 km all the way to Gwadar make no economic sense. Perhaps, it is all strategic – and our future depends on the strategic choice we make today.
Port of Karachi: the port is a “deep natural port with an 11.5 km long navigable channel and a 12.2 meter deep approach channel.” According to the Karachi Port Trust (KPT), “Presently about 1,600 ships are visiting Karachi Port annually and the berth occupancy is about 45 percent, which shows that there is enough capacity in the port to handle more cargo.” Why Gwadar? Why not use Karachi where the entire infrastructure is already in place?
Port Qasim: the port is a “deep-water seaport in Karachi on the coastline of the Arabian Sea.” On January 15, 2016, the berth occupancy stood at 55 percent. On July 11, 2016, the berth occupancy was recorded at 40 percent. Why Gwadar? Why not Port Qasim where the entire infrastructure is already in place?
WITH THE ABOVE iTEMS ADDING UPTO 100 PERCENT By the Grace of the Almighty Pensions, Hospitals, Schools, Training Academies, Hospital, Arms, Tanks, Guns, Armed Personnel Carriers, Recreation & Welfare Facilities etc. etc. etc. including costs to maintain the whole Terrorism Structure is paid by "Manna from Heaven" and therefore considered FREE. AOA!Myth: The Pakistan Army consumes almost the entire defence budget.
Fact: In the 1970s, Pak Army’s budget as a percentage of the entire defence budget had hit a high of 83.4 percent. Since the 1980s, Pak Army’s budget as a percentage of the defence budget has hovered around 47 percent. In 2016-17, Pak Army’s share stands at 48 percent of the entire allocation for defence; Pakistan Air Force has 21 percent, Pakistan Navy has 11 percent and defence production stands with 20 percent.
Myth: A large percentage of the defence budget is discretionary in nature.
Fact: Of the Rs860 billion, 63 percent comprises salaries, 18 percent is ration and petrol, 10 percent is gas and electricity with the remaining 9 percent going towards uniforms.
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