Understanding US thread-III

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 02:27

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Jan 2017 02:34

one thing you can guarantee about agent orange and now spice boy is that outrageous statements are made in order to distract the janata. it usually means that something else is being quietly moved through whilst everyone is huffing and puffing about the 'stupid comment'

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 02:38

Whose fault is it other than the media's? Look at the See Enn Enn front page - all garbage. Why don't they focus on something substantive for a change? But what am I saying? This is See Enn Enn I'm talking about!

While they spend all their energy and web page space yakking about Inauguration crowds and MLK busts, the Medical care system is being trashed, pipelines are being approved, trade pacts are trashed.... Lawd Awmighty only knows what else is being pushed through.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Jan 2017 02:46

Lalmohan wrote:^^^ thats an interesting hypothesis Ramana, on what are you basing these assertions?

Lalmohan'ji - check out the reports of Darkha Butt from the Loins of White house (and her chairing the women in I-slam talk in women of the world). There are two clues right there.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Jan 2017 02:52

ramana wrote:KLNM, Minions like Barkha Dutt don't have options to choose. She has been re-tasked by her controllers.
Plan is to denigrate NaMo in WaPo while enjoying protection of foreign correspondent of WaPo.

She just wrote an article in WaPo claiming that NaMo is taking back India to 1970s.

Aka Emergency rule of Indira Gandhi.

Ramana,

To me, these sorts of things are the opening moves of the campaign to re-assign the fervid revolutionaries of the pro-Hillary, anti-Trump movement towards new enemies (including India/Hindus/Modi).

Do you listen to The World on NPR? On Friday evening after Trump's inauguration, host Marco Werman invited a correspondent on the show who had been in Washington DC talking to various Trump supporters and anti-Trump protesters. Who was the correspondent? Not an American, as we might have expected for an American radio show's segment featuring an American city. It was the BBC's Rahul Joglekar.

As the segment continued I realized that all the people supposedly interviewed by Rahul Joglekar (they did not play recordings of the interviews, but only had Joglekar talking about what the interviewees supposedly told him) were "South Asian".

There was one Gujarati Hindu interviewee who was supposed to have been pro-Trump. Joglekar narrated his conversation with this Gujarati guy (apparently a Republican Party strategist) in the most incredulous of terms... he said he could not believe how callous the Gujarati guy seemed to be regarding Trump's statements about Muslims, etc.

Then there was apparently a guy whom Marco Werman describes as [VERBATIM] a "Sikh Moslem". Apparently this is a turbaned Sikh guy who protests Trump by walking around DC wearing a Captain America costume, to show that America has a place for him.

Rahul Joglekar did not contest, or try to correct, the term "Sikh Moslem" used by Werman. It passed unchallenged

And then? Marco Werman, after some snide remarks regarding Trump's isolationism and "America First" jingoism, asks Joglekar whether he sees any similarity between Trump and India's PM, Narendra Modi!

Joglekar goes into paroxysms of pleasure at the opportunity to comment: "Oh my God, Marco, oh my God"... and dutifully reads off a whole list of pre-packaged bullet points describing the alleged commonalities between Modi and Trump: intolerance, cultural supremacism, rhetorical appeals to an imaginary "glorious past", etc.

Add another data point. On yesterday's "Marketplace", another NPR show, much was made of one Ajit Pai. This guy was apparently an Obama appointee who rose to become acting head of the FCC, and whom Trump has now approved to serve a full tenure as head of the FCC. The "Marketplace" host, Kai Ryssdal, went on about how Ajit Pai opposes "net neutrality". Thankfully no overt connection to Modi was made at that time.

And now, just two days after the March on Washington... beset with a crackling atmosphere of mass dissent and widespread fears about government suppression... you mention that Barkha Dutt is writing in the Washington Post comparing Narendra Modi's India to the days of the Emergency.

A campaign has been launched across multiple platforms to pull Narendra Modi out of relative obscurity and equate him, in the minds of a wider American public than ever before, with the evil Donald Trump. Pretty soon Modi's name will not be something that was only known to GOTUS functionaries, Foreign Policy wonks, and a smattering of business professionals and academics in America. It will be known to your NPR-listening, WaPo-(local news)-reading, slightly-more-informed-than-average American turtle-neck wearing liberal neighbour. And he/she will have heard of it in one context only.

Modi is like Trump! Trump is like Modi! Trump is a fool, and intolerant, and a liar... but that's old news. Here is the NEW news! India is ruled by this Hindoo-fundamentalist, Moslem-hating, intolerant, vicious, Modi!

They are going out of their way to present this distorted image of Modi in juxtaposition with Trump. Almost as if to create a scapegoat, to channel away some of the emotional opprobrium directed at Trump and redirect it to this other figure who is literally darker and figuratively more demonic.

Subconsciously, many white American liberals will welcome this new pinata being strung up before them. No matter how anti-Trump they are, they will, beyond a point, grow tired of beating on the home-grown white boy who is now their President. It will almost become a source of relief for these folks to be able to focus their outrage against a brown skinned, non-Anglospheric, and (above all else) non-Abrahamic target instead of Trump.

Next step, draw away more and more people who are currently agitating against Trump to the higher calling of saving India's democracy from this dictatorial, religious-fundamentalist tyrant.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Jan 2017 03:03

ramana wrote:KLNM, Minions like Barkha Dutt don't have options to choose. She has been re-tasked by her controllers.
Plan is to denigrate NaMo in WaPo while enjoying protection of foreign correspondent of WaPo.

She just wrote an article in WaPo claiming that NaMo is taking back India to 1970s.

Aka Emergency rule of Indira Gandhi.

What sort of protection and protection from what, do you mean? I doubt that, even without the WaPO shield, she or anyone else would be in physical or even career danger from NaMO's government for writing that kind of rubbish. It is fashionable to compare NaMO with Trump these days (for better and worse, we seem to crave validation by being same-same with a white guy), but NaMO is nothing like Trump when it comes to petty vindictiveness, or for that matter, much of anything else.

But I suspect there will be more scrutiny and more ridicule of such articles if they appeared in an Indian outlet, both from readers and from journalistic peers, whereas there is some kind of status barrier with the WaPO that would intimidate Barkha's detractors.

But mostly, I suspect the Barkhas don't need any overt controlling and direction--they made it this far in their field because they know what sort of coverage and writing will serve their interests at what time. Barkha the Radiagate survivor herself, would be an expert at this. So, I don't think you will find any smoking gun of anti-India controller passing secret directives to Barkha inside a hollow tree or whatever they have in spy stories.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Jan 2017 03:18

^^^
@Rudradev FWIW, The World, while it plays on many NPR outlet stations, is a BBC program, and not an NPR one. It seems to feature a disproportionate number of Indian-sounding correspondents, and for a time, anchor James Kumaraswamy. We all know how the Beeb and the Brit establishment views India.

If I may speculate wildly, I think that, under Obama, NaMO enjoyed a bit of immunity from attacks by the Indian progressives and their American allies, due to a unique rapport that NaMo managed to achieve with Obama. I suspect it has to do with both men realizing that they shared the trait of being seen as despised outsiders who had no business occupying the throne that rightfully belonged to their racial / caste betters.

I know it is almost de riguer on this forum to vilify Obama as some sort of empty-headed anti-Indian loudmouth, whose exit is only good for India, but I think he and Modi had a unique and personal understanding, and that it is not a coincidence that, with Obama out of the picture, the visa-denier knives are out for Modi. The late Praful Bidwai, writing in a paki paper after Modi was invited to America, advocated patience, and taking the long view, in punishing Modi, once he becomes vulnerable, as he eventually must. (Since he doesn't have the backing of the Lutyens elite and their global partners to be protected once out of office.)

( I have to add here that it doesn't mean that Obama as President would have been personally supervising what the "progressives" write about Modi and wagging his finger when it crosses the line; it is just that it is the nature of courtier-types to be careful about targeting those for whom the Big Boss is known to have a soft corner. )

I think that is what we are seeing here.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Jan 2017 03:36

KLNM, I agree with you regarding Obama. As US Presidents go I would not characterize him as anti Indian. While in his early years, he seemed to sideline US-India relations... probably in response to Hillary Clinton's "expert" prompting as Secretary of State... in the middle and later years of his Presidency he was about equally well-disposed towards India as George W Bush was.

Anti-Indian and Pro-Indian are relative terms. You will never find a US President who is even 50% as pro-Indian as, say, the Bhutanese King. Every US President has compulsions, some of them institutional, some of them personal, which are annoying or grating to India (such as nuclear arms control, aid to Pakistan, etc.) So all of them are going to be anti-India if Narendra Modi is your yardstick for labeling someone "Pro-India".

That said, Barack Obama and George W Bush were both strikingly pro-India relative to any other US President in living memory. Including Carter, Reagan, Bush I and Bill Clinton.

Hillary Clinton, if she had won, would have represented multiple-steps back in this regard. She would have been, by far, the most anti-India president in 16 years.

Trump, the jury is still out on. I think that his personal views (if he even posseses any sincerely considered personal views regarding India) do not matter. The collective institutional prejudices of the paleoconservative, EJ-friendly administration he is setting up, are what matter. And those prejudices are as anti-India as anything we have encountered since the Reagan era or before. Very different in every way from the Bush Jr. neoconservative Republican administration.

You may very well be right about the get-Modi brigade in the US being rejuvenated by the exit of Obama. We wrongly assumed that the get-Modi brigade in America was confined only to Hillary Clinton. In truth it is much broader than that, and includes multiple protagonists from both the "left" and the "right" of the US political spectrum. The get-Modi brigade will find willing allies amongst the Republicans as easily, if not more so, than it once did amongst a section of the Democrats.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Jan 2017 03:47

Rudradev wrote:KLNM, I agree with you regarding Obama. As US Presidents go I would not characterize him as anti Indian. While in his early years, he seemed to sideline US-India relations... probably in response to Hillary Clinton's "expert" prompting as Secretary of State... in the middle and later years of his Presidency he was about equally well-disposed towards India as George W Bush was.

Anti-Indian and Pro-Indian are relative terms. You will never find a US President who is even 50% as pro-Indian as, say, the Bhutanese King. Every US President has compulsions, some of them institutional, some of them personal, which are annoying or grating to India (such as nuclear arms control, aid to Pakistan, etc.) So all of them are going to be anti-India if Narendra Modi is your yardstick for labeling someone "Pro-India".

That said, Barack Obama and George W Bush were both strikingly pro-India relative to any other US President in living memory. Including Carter, Reagan, Bush I and Bill Clinton.

Hillary Clinton, if she had won, would have represented multiple-steps back in this regard. She would have been, by far, the most anti-India president in 16 years.

Trump, the jury is still out on. I think that his personal views (if he even posseses any sincerely considered personal views regarding India) do not matter. The collective institutional prejudices of the paleoconservative, EJ-friendly administration he is setting up, are what matter. And those prejudices are as anti-India as anything we have encountered since the Reagan era or before. Very different in every way from the Bush Jr. neoconservative Republican administration.

You may very well be right about the get-Modi brigade in the US being rejuvenated by the exit of Obama. We wrongly assumed that the get-Modi brigade in America was confined only to Hillary Clinton. In truth it is much broader than that, and includes multiple protagonists from both the "left" and the "right" of the US political spectrum. The get-Modi brigade will find willing allies amongst the Republicans as easily, if not more so, than it once did amongst a section of the Democrats.

We don't need to guess; we actually know who the get-Modi brigade are, in their own words:
U.S. Evangelicals, Indian Expats Teamed Up to Push Through Modi Visa Ban
By ZAHIR JANMOHAMED DECEMBER 5, 2013 6:27 AM

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jan 2017 04:00

RD, Today morning Julie McCarthy, NPR @Delhi was having an AAPTard Gautam Bhatia and Sunil Kihlnani now at King's College.
The latter was pontificating about NaMo and rise of nationalism in the world politics and suddenly it struck me these guys are pulling a Hitler on NaMo i.e. is European politics are influenced by Hindu right!!!!

KLNM/Lalmohan you can choose to believe what you want.

I am now at the age where Bottom Line Up front (BLUF) stage (also known as Inductive mode which means present the answer first and then the facts that lead to it). I present my conclusions and may present how I got there or not.
Depends on time.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Jan 2017 05:02

Rudradev wrote: A campaign has been launched across multiple platforms to pull Narendra Modi out of relative obscurity and equate him, in the minds of a wider American public than ever before, with the evil Donald Trump. Pretty soon Modi's name will not be something that was only known to GOTUS functionaries, Foreign Policy wonks, and a smattering of business professionals and academics in America. It will be known to your NPR-listening, WaPo-(local news)-reading, slightly-more-informed-than-average American turtle-neck wearing liberal neighbour. And he/she will have heard of it in one context only.

Modi is like Trump! Trump is like Modi! Trump is a fool, and intolerant, and a liar... but that's old news. Here is the NEW news! India is ruled by this Hindoo-fundamentalist, Moslem-hating, intolerant, vicious, Modi!
They are going out of their way to present this distorted image of Modi in juxtaposition with Trump. Almost as if to create a scapegoat, to channel away some of the emotional opprobrium directed at Trump and redirect it to this other figure who is literally darker and figuratively more demonic.

1. There is no such thing as 'bad' publicity.

2. Are you saying that Modi was considered as a saint before? Was it the Saint Modi did the Bush followed by Ombaba who was denied the visa? And wasn't the american doggini Angela who created the rift with Modi in Brazil world cup? Of course Modi was not evil then.

So why the long winded dhoti-shivering on why Modi will be considered evil now?

Okay if your take is that the NPR-listening, WaPo-reading, slightly-more-informed-than-average liberal neighbor will NOW consider Modi as evil given the juxtaposition with Trump., then think again. This are the same guys (and gals) who called Modi as hitler all through 2007-2014.

So Rudradev'ji - your analysis fails on the above two issues. Earlier your point was that Hillary's win will be good for India since the Dumbocrats will put screws on India and enhance Bakistan's standing thus creating a backlash from India and showing who the 'bad guys' are. Now your point is Trump's win is bad for India since the Trumpets will juxtapose Trump with Modi and since Trump is evil., Modi is more evil.

I am sure sir, that by now even Modi knows that he will receive no respite and will be castigated as evil.

But the fact is that Modi is being discussed within the context of US widely.

However the discussion started about the move of Darkha Butts to US. Is it a sign that the anti-India anti-Hindu (AIAH) Deep State is consolidating its attack on India or is it a sign that they are providing cover for their lost limpets.

Here history is the key., US provides returns to its dedicated foot soldiers who lost the war in terms of Green-Card and a sinecure. Check out the CBI mole and then check out Sagarika Ghose and Sardard Desai's sinecure at GeorgeTown University. And now Darkha Butt is joining them in US of A. Just an interesting side., Bill & Hillary clinton are also alumni of GeorgeTown University. So is John Podesta and Ivanka Trump.

Further, the attention of the AIAH pseudo-liberals is now divided since their own ramparts have been breached and they need to scramble to fortify their own base. Right now, the attack is on Trump and the AIAH pseudo-liberals are scrambling.

Hence the assertion that the minions like Darkha Butt have been re-tasked still stands.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Jan 2017 05:48

Disha ji, why not try actually reading what i have written, instead of concocting some complete rubbish, defining this rubbish as "my" position (presumably because you don't want to take responsibility for it), and then telling me that (what you call) "my" analysis has "failed on n number of counts?"

It seems that your strawman has led you in a complete circle. You have invented what my position is, invented reasons why my supposed position is wrong, and thereby had a full two-sided debate with yourself. Since you have rendered unnecessary any substantive response from me on this matter, I can only applaud your victory while sympathizing with your defeat.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 06:22

Is Darka butt actually moving to Yoo Ess?
Also, I suggest that it is too early to make prognostications about the directions of the Trump administration. All that one can say is that they are into some wild actions and words. But so was Ronald Reagan in the early days. Consider:
1) He declared that he did not want anyone in his Cabinet that "needed the job". IOW, all rich crooks.
2) Attorney-Jarnail Ed Meese was quoted as saying: "Why would u be a suspect if u are not guilty?" thereby demonstrating immense respect for the American assumption of Presumed Innocent unless Proven Guilty By Jury Of One's Peers. Meese also has a long history of shady dealings/loans in real estate etc. Fine choice for Attorney-Jarnail.
3) Declared that he was going to scrap Dept. of Education. AFAIK, it is still around.
4) Declared that wanted to scrap EPA. Appointed someone to head it, that did a fine job along those lines. Eventually she came under huge pressure/proven crookedness etc. Reagan declared that he was "Behind Her 100%" - she was gone the next day.
5) His pick for SecDef was a certifiable wacko crony of the Mil-Ind Complex. Caspar Weinberger.
6) Scrapped the SALT treaty with the Soviets. Scrapped "Detente".
7) Coddled the Taliban in the WHOTUS as Equivalent To the Founding Fathers In The War Of Independence.
8 ) Moved Pershing missiles to the West German border, reducing the warning time for nuclear war down to a minute or so.
9) Fired the entire bunch of Air Traffic Controllers in the US, for going on strike. Basically broke strikes all over, broke the Labor Unions.
10) His Cabinet was like a revolving door. Hired and fired Secretaries practically every week.
11) Invaded Grenada.
12) Bombed Libya.
13) "Simplified" taxes.

Meaning, lots of nice deductions went out the door.
14) Introduced the PaperWork Reduction Act.
15) Scrapped Security Clearances for non-citizens. Made it very difficult to get jobs in NASA, DoD etc.

The World survived, so did America. And India. And Russia. And of course, Pakistan!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jan 2017 07:43

neither the Namo voters or Namo himself gives a rats behind to the antics of the US MSM. so its all cool, let them do what they want. there is nothing that one can do anyway - the US MSM have already sunk below the level of NDTVs credibility by keeping up the shrill page1 demonization campaign on DT- even the "liberal" white boys want to read news, not pravda type propaganda 24x7

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 25 Jan 2017 08:09

Trump kicking mush.
My peaceful friends, even those born here as citizens hate Trump and keep sending me jokes and nasty stuff about Trump in whatsapp.

What taqleef. But I love those guys, they are good people. But when it comes to Peaceful religion, their mind changes (they are not pakis).

Trump expected to announce executive orders on visa and refugee restrictions

President Donald Trump is expected to announce several executive orders Wednesday dealing with visas and refugees, a congressional source told CNN.
The orders, which make good on a series of immigration campaign promises Trump made, are expected to include restrictions on refugees, and people with some visas from countries including Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia and Libya.

Brace yourselves for lots of

s from Islam-pasand MSM.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Jan 2017 12:02

UlanBatori wrote:Is Darka butt actually moving to Yoo Ess?

She is reported to have a condo in manhattan. And of course she is connected to Columbia University.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Jan 2017 12:06

Rudradev wrote:Disha ji, why not try actually reading what i have written, instead of concocting some complete rubbish,

Rudradev'ji., thanks for your sympathies. All the verbal calisthenics to show taking a stand while not taking one at all.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 25 Jan 2017 12:39

I have an idea for the Donald.Get the Mexicans,labour,to build the wall for the lowest of low wages,or even pay to work on the project,and those who do so will be given the right to reside in the US,on probation for 20 years.If during that time they are found to engage themselves in criminal activities,then they will be deported any which-way! This way he WILL get the Mexicans to pay for the project!

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Jan 2017 14:04

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-e ... al-warring

Uncle is left behind. How Neo-Cons must be fuming.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 25 Jan 2017 14:09

https://epaper.telegraphindia.com/detai ... 24119.html

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Jan 2017 14:09

ramana, I am more than familiar with inductive vs deductive logic, hence my question on hypotheses. I'd like to think I am beyond the base level of understanding on this problem and am happy to engage in the next stages. if you chose not to reveal your rationale, that is fine too.

rudra/lilo and others - I maintain my view that India is not high on the agenda for the US - regardless of administration. they will 'deal with us' as an afterthought or an adjunct to a different problem or issue of self interest. EJ's or whoever are acting on their own initiative - sometimes that suits a governmental purpose, other times it doesn't. when it does, it is exploited.

my view (and I may be wrong) is that trump==modi is mostly touted by alt-jingo's. I think that modi is at least a order of magnitude or more capable as a leader than trump and equating the two does modi a disservice. additionally, the two have been elected with different mandates driven by different popular compulsions

komal · Post by **komal** » 25 Jan 2017 14:29

Lalmohan wrote:ramana, I am more than familiar with inductive vs deductive logic, hence my question on hypotheses. I'd like to think I am beyond the base level of understanding on this problem and am happy to engage in the next stages. if you chose not to reveal your rationale, that is fine too.

rudra/lilo and others - I maintain my view that India is not high on the agenda for the US - regardless of administration. they will 'deal with us' as an afterthought or an adjunct to a different problem or issue of self interest. EJ's or whoever are acting on their own initiative - sometimes that suits a governmental purpose, other times it doesn't. when it does, it is exploited.

my view (and I may be wrong) is that trump==modi is mostly touted by alt-jingo's. I think that modi is at least a order of magnitude or more capable as a leader than trump and equating the two does modi a disservice. additionally, the two have been elected with different mandates driven by different popular compulsions

+100

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 16:47

Restrictions on refugees from Yemen, yadayadayada but not Pakistan. Of course, WHO would wish to be a REFUGEE from Pakistan? ("If there be a houristan on earth, it is this, it is this, it is this!!") but per my sources in Dera Merkel Khan, most of the troublesome "Syrian refugees" are from Karachi and LaHore, with fake Syrian passports. Then again, maybe DT administration means: "No Syrian-passport refugees who speak Urdu".

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Jan 2017 17:01

http://time.com/4645541/donald-trump-wh ... al-office/

MSM of US is fast to create rubbish. Had DT not attacking MSM fellows on the regular basis, this lie would not have been corrected by Time.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 17:29

As someone said, the WHOTUS has Won the Heart and Mind of TIME's editors. :LOL

What the saga shows is how fake 'news' is generated. The entropy generated in the "correction" and "apology" processes is because TIME-Warner-AOL would have been banned from the WHOTUS for the next 4 years otherwise. I have no doubt that a message went out to TIME's top layer and then the kicks percolated down to the Darka of the editors. If you read it, one idiot "reported" from inside the WHOTUS, then another twisted that, another published that, the editors are the ones responsible for this pathetic lack of standards.

Now read any TIME report from/about India through this lens of clarity. These are pathological liars compounding the incompetence of idiots. I HAVE tried explaining that to them many times until I gave up and adopted other means, as Mr. Trump has wisely done after his decades of experience.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 17:55

Trump threatens to invade ~~Chicago~~Obamastan
High time too. 762 murders in a year. 38 (42 in Trump numbers) just this January.
Wonder if the invasion will be preceded by 6 months of saturation bombing to take out the power plants, bridges, water supply etc. per SOP. Leaving the kitten shelters intact of course.

Trump has previously encouraged Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel to ask for federal assistance. Emanuel has not addressed Trump's tweet, or spoken about the violence as it relates to possible federal intervention.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 18:20

What goes around comes around: Trump orders Major Investigation into voter fraud.
(Anyone see retaliation for BO investigation into "russian hacking"? Where was the "evidence" of that? Why didn't CNN etc say "Obama claims election hacking WITHOUT PRESENTING ANY EVIDENCE"? ) Two can play the game...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jan 2017 18:33

rahm emanuel is a obama mentor cum crony.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jan 2017 18:35

NYT is no more reporting news, it is passing off its opinion as fact. makes for a very ugly read both nyt and cnn. they have lost control of these senses.

Trump Promises ‘Major Investigation’ of Voter Fraud
By JONATHAN WEISMAN and STEVE EDER 11 minutes ago
Mr. Trump doubled down Wednesday on his fraudulent assertion that millions of illegal immigrants gave Hillary Clinton her 2.8 million-ballot victory in the popular vote.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 18:45

Even when Raygun Reagan took over, I have never seen such vicious infantile behavior from the US media, let alone the hordes of whiners. The most was the bumper sticker saying: "DON'T BLAME ME, I VOTED FOR XYZ". Using the word "fraudulent" against a billionaire, let alone POTUS, is, well... very interesting. Soosai vest behavior.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 25 Jan 2017 18:49

Philip wrote:I have an idea for the Donald.Get the Mexicans,labour,to build the wall for the lowest of low wages,or even pay to work on the project,and those who do so will be given the right to reside in the US,on probation for 20 years.If during that time they are found to engage themselves in criminal activities,then they will be deported any which-way! This way he WILL get the Mexicans to pay for the project!

Lovely, Sir

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jan 2017 18:56

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 20h20 hours ago
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A photo delivered yesterday that will be displayed in the upper/lower press hall. Thank you Abbas!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jan 2017 18:56

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 11h11 hours ago
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Congratulations to @FoxNews for being number one in inauguration ratings. They were many times higher than FAKE NEWS @CNN - public is smart!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Jan 2017 18:59

Isn't that a blank space I spy at the left lower corner? I presume that this is the BO inauguration with DT painted in? :LOL
Interesting that a painting by Abdul bin Mohammed Abbasi will now hang in the ~~Oval Office~~ (oh, I see! Right in the faces of the Mediots!!)

DT will probably send a Thank-u note to Shalabh Koomar for the kind gesture by Hindoos.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Jan 2017 19:22

#alternativefact 1 - Trump won the popular vote

What? He lost by close to 3 million?

#alternativefact 2 - they were all illegals.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Jan 2017 20:02

Singha wrote:rahm emanuel is a obama mentor cum crony.

he was his first chief of staff...
wonder why he changed jobs

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Jan 2017 20:05

UlanBatori wrote:Even when Raygun Reagan took over, I have never seen such vicious infantile behavior from the US media, let alone the hordes of whiners. The most was the bumper sticker saying: "DON'T BLAME ME, I VOTED FOR XYZ". Using the word "fraudulent" against a billionaire, let alone POTUS, is, well... very interesting. Soosai vest behavior.

there were a lot of reports around election time that no evidence of illegal voting was found - by the various state and federal election commissioners. I expect that this paper took legal advice before using the term "fraudulent"... but to be seen

by trump saying it repeatedly, it becomes "true" in the eyes of his fans... that's the game in town

as for whining - why do you object? do you not want to have a healthy opposition movement? or do you prefer one party rule? is that the American way?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Jan 2017 20:40

disha wrote:
Rudradev wrote:Disha ji, why not try actually reading what i have written, instead of concocting some complete rubbish,
Rudradev'ji., thanks for your sympathies. All the verbal calisthenics to show taking a stand while not taking one at all.

Disha ji, the "stand" I am taking is quite straightforward, and readily accessible to anyone who actually reads my posts (with a 7th-standard or greater proficiency level). Good luck!

Meanwhile, I must marvel at this act of verbal calisthenics:

disha wrote: Earlier your point was that Hillary's win will be good for India since the Dumbocrats will put screws on India and enhance Bakistan's standing thus creating a backlash from India and showing who the 'bad guys' are.

You have described this as being "my point" but it is quite unrecognizable to me. In fact, I have no idea what it is even supposed to mean.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 25 Jan 2017 21:01

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Jan 2017 21:51

emerging news of steve bannon having registered to vote in more than one state... waiting for the explanation for this one!!