Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 18:39
by SSridhar
ramana wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:39
SSS, I think we need an all points seminar on "What does India know about China?"
We can rely on other sources.
If you were a decision maker what would you like to know about China?
Give me a 1-to n list of things. Please consider it as a serious request.
ramana
Sure, ramana. Will do so.
Hope there are so many Chinese watchers here who can also contribute to such a list.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 12 Sep 2023 01:35
by Leonard
The glittering Chinese growth stat's published world over -- might have pulled the WOOL over "most" of the Western CABAL/Elite ...
The real story is actually what happens in the rural areas ..
What is the level of education, health care, food security, etc etc ..
China’s growth has relied heavily on unskilled labor. Most of the workers who have fueled the country’s rise come from rural villages and have never been to high school. While this national growth strategy has been effective for three decades, the unskilled wage rate is finally rising, inducing companies inside China to automate at an unprecedented rate and triggering an exodus of companies seeking cheaper labor in other countries.
Ten years ago, almost every product for sale in an American Walmart was made in China. Today, that is no longer the case. With the changing demand for labor, China seems to have no good back-up plan. For all of its investment in physical infrastructure, for decades China failed to invest enough in its people. Recent progress may come too late. Drawing on extensive surveys on the ground in China, Rozelle and Hell reveal that while China may be the second-largest economy in the world, its labor force has one of the lowest levels of education of any comparable country. Over half of China’s population—as well as a vast majority of its children—are from rural areas. Their low levels of basic education may leave many unable to find work in the formal workplace as China’s economy changes and manufacturing jobs move elsewhere.
In Invisible China, Rozelle and Hell speak not only to an urgent humanitarian concern but also a potential economic crisis that could upend economies and foreign relations around the globe. If too many are left structurally unemployable, the implications both inside and outside of China could be serious. Understanding the situation in China today is essential if we are to avoid a potential crisis of international proportions.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 12 Sep 2023 01:52
by sanjaykumar
No body pulled the wool over anybody’s eyes.
Recall the stellar IQ results of Chinese students. They were from a few select schools in Beijing. Who conspired with the Chinese to widely disseminate those results?
Any fool could tell that there was a dearth of treated potable water and sanitation facilities in rural China. Who conspired to keep that from the hallowed pages of the NYT?
Even I could tell that vast economic activities were pointless.
Mining iron ore smelting refining turning it into steel to make the equipment to mine ore and transport it to smelters as well as providing energy for the same. There is not even an adequate descriptor word for such activity in the English language.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 13 Sep 2023 00:12
by SRajesh
Ramanaji
I think the war with CCP and China vs Rest will be more of dominance of :
1. AI tech
2. Advanced semiconductor/chips
3. Electric batteries
4. Rare earth
If pushed to a corner on these issues the Lizard may lash out
The rest of the Cartographic exercises are merely optics
Happy to be corrected
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
still relies on hynix memory chips from SK.. and presumably uses a more expensive method of "stacking" compared to more advanced techniques from ASML.Gurus can explain better.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 13 Sep 2023 02:03
by Cyrano
It's not just China that's publishing fake data. My gut feel is that there are a lot more emperors without clothes...
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 14 Sep 2023 06:41
by bala
What is Happening with Emperor Eleven and his military (CCCP controlled and subservient). Kya apna military dushman ho gaya hai, Emperor Ji err, Xi. Kitna samay baki hai, emperor ko?
More info on the chinese nuclear submarine accident:
The Nuclear Submarine 093-Long March 417 sunk of Shandong coast. 55 crew dead (apparently 1 alive which is surprising considering a submarine) - 22 officers, 7 students, 9 petty officers, 17 soldiers. Oxygen ran out. Another story says toxic gas. On Aug 15-16, 20 crew members got diarrhea - clear sign of radiation sickness. Close Family hasn't been notified about the deaths.
At the top there are sudden disappearance of high ranking officials. Defence minister is the latest in the list.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 15 Sep 2023 12:00
by g.sarkar
How many died in the Chinese Submarine Disaster? • What caused it & where?
As more details leak out, news of a Chinese Submarine sinking off the coast of China are getting confirmed. What caused this and how many perished?
Where did the incident happen? Are China's submarines safe?
......
Gautam
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 16 Sep 2023 05:47
by Vayutuvan
drnayar wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023 00:13
still relies on hynix memory chips from SK...
I think SKHynix has a couple of fabs in China. But all these people gaurd their IP much more zeal (actually even parfanoid to the extreme) than the US companies. US companies themselves are extremely secretive but they are not at the level of the leaks being "a national security risk".
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 23 Sep 2023 00:58
by bala
Is J20 of China a truly steath aircraft?
Air Marshal G. S. Bedi discusses all stealth aircraft in general and points out the deficiency in J20 design. Some discussion on TEDBF and DRDO/ADE Swift. He did not mention about AMCA.
// for India: R&D is still weak, budgets are small and failures (failures are the way to success) are not tolerated - could close the program down.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 23 Sep 2023 01:15
by chetak
Taiwan's Ministry of Defense just published a handy guide to US military bases in the region circa 2023.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 23 Sep 2023 02:16
by Cyrano
But its China that threatens the planet !
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 25 Sep 2023 14:55
by DavidD
Leonard wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023 01:35
The glittering Chinese growth stat's published world over -- might have pulled the WOOL over "most" of the Western CABAL/Elite ...
The real story is actually what happens in the rural areas ..
What is the level of education, health care, food security, etc etc ..
China’s growth has relied heavily on unskilled labor. Most of the workers who have fueled the country’s rise come from rural villages and have never been to high school. While this national growth strategy has been effective for three decades, the unskilled wage rate is finally rising, inducing companies inside China to automate at an unprecedented rate and triggering an exodus of companies seeking cheaper labor in other countries.
Ten years ago, almost every product for sale in an American Walmart was made in China. Today, that is no longer the case. With the changing demand for labor, China seems to have no good back-up plan. For all of its investment in physical infrastructure, for decades China failed to invest enough in its people. Recent progress may come too late. Drawing on extensive surveys on the ground in China, Rozelle and Hell reveal that while China may be the second-largest economy in the world, its labor force has one of the lowest levels of education of any comparable country. Over half of China’s population—as well as a vast majority of its children—are from rural areas. Their low levels of basic education may leave many unable to find work in the formal workplace as China’s economy changes and manufacturing jobs move elsewhere.
In Invisible China, Rozelle and Hell speak not only to an urgent humanitarian concern but also a potential economic crisis that could upend economies and foreign relations around the globe. If too many are left structurally unemployable, the implications both inside and outside of China could be serious. Understanding the situation in China today is essential if we are to avoid a potential crisis of international proportions.
What nonsense is that? China's urbanization rate stands at ~65%, and the tertiary education enrollment rate is ~60%. The issue in China right now isn't that there are too few qualified workers, it's that there are too many. Considering even Japan's tertiary education enrollment rate is only ~65%, China is producing too many college grads for its stage of economic development currently. Worse yet, Chinese youth are too used to the old ways of college grad = cushy white collar job in a big city that they're not willing to become baristas or waiters like many Westerners or move to smaller cities or god forbid rural areas to look for jobs.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 28 Sep 2023 02:33
by ramana
Please view and give your reactions:
1) What is she saying about Russia, China, and India
2)What areas she does not mention?
3) What is your overall impression?
4) What would you advise GOI wrt US, Russia, China, and India?
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 28 Sep 2023 07:05
by bala
1) What is she saying about Russia, China, and India
On the first video Madam Rice has not given anything new, at least from the US perspective. It is Rus bad, China bad and they ganged up against US in Ukr. The US thinks their forces are better than the Rus, just ask Scott Ritter and McGreagor about the will to fight and supplies in the US and you get a different answer. She also dismisses those who surround Putin as drunks, idiots and so on. She thinks Ukr people/language are different from Rus. This is a huge mistake considering she speaks Russian. The Ukr population is ethnically Rus on one side and Polish on the other. The in-between conversion relies on Russian. The Ukr think, breath, act along russian cultural lines, these habits are ingrained for centuries.
She thinks China is a rising power and not clear whether it is both economic / military. She briefly mentioned the spat with India that the chinese had. She clearly mentioned that Emperor is a disaster as far as foreign policy goes. No mention of US mollycoddling the chinese, Clinton gifting WTO and rocket secrets to the Chinese, Bush era presided over a China rise that effectively screwed the US (remember CDS). She mentioned 1 child policy and zero covid both of them asinine/disaster for the Chinese. Nothing as far as the US wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
A rather disappointing lecture with nothing new to add. Condi Rice however gets credit for the 123 nuclear deal that Bush signed with India.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 28 Sep 2023 07:54
by ramana
Thanks for the response. I truly appreciate the effort.
Can you number it as 1) etc...
What about 2) and 4)?
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Ramana
Here are my thoughts on Condi Rice speech -
Context analysis: This is a talk at Hoover Institute where Rice is giving a lecture to bunch of (foreign relations) students. So she is acting like some teacher to them.
Key lesson topics:
Big power dynamics, expected behaviors
- Big power is someone who can bring the might of economic, technological and military to impose their worldview on others
- A big power must be able to address multiple challenges at the same time. You ain’t a big power if you can handle only one challenge at a time.
- A big power, by definition, must (be able to) impose its ideas and interests on others and make others to accept them
The big powers right now
- USA: got distracted for past decade+ but nothing that cannot be repaired
- China: is a big power. Before Xi, China was not playing at its weight despite US asking it but it is now doing it opposing USA
- Russia: is a declining big power.
Russia:
- Condi calls Putin as dictator but appreciates his pain of fall of SU leaving 25 million Russians as orphans
- Condi thinks team Putin is bunch of idiots (possible)
- Condi thinks Putin vision for Russia is flawed (Russian empire)
While Condi’s definition of US baseline is democracy and capitalism - she doesn’t think/accept Russia as democratic and capitalist.
China Condi is still thinks China can be accommodated in the world order because China is capitalist even though not democratic
USA
No one asked how come the democratic US is the one who started so many wars? If world is a democratic place; shouldn’t all nations get equal vote/say within the world democracy?
Others - EU
EU is loser in this whole game
Others - India
India has potential. Can bring full meal deal. Democracy, Capitalism, population, economy, technology and military
Others - Global South
Necessary voters in democratic world.
>>>
All in all Condi is presenting pure US point of view and mixing good portion of morals, global power to future satrap princelings
She thinks because democracy is moral value and US is the global power; that gives US moral right to impose its weight around.
But doesn’t accept the same for other global powers - because they aren’t democratic.
4) Which is why it is important for Bharat to
- Keep democratic face
- Keep growing economically
- develop home grown MIC
- focus on technology innovation
All being done by Modi Sarkar.
Modi sarkar also successfully brought/bringing global south on its wings. This is the reason for USA accommodating Bharat.
{India is a quasi great power wrt Global South by her definitions. Dont have to be an all round Great Power like US. Can be partial in select areas.}
Next 10 years:
Bharat should focus on becoming $10T economy; achieve AtmaNirbharata in MIC and at least 1-2 technology innovations and keep rolling out Indian digital infra to global south for free
Few Bharatiya solutions for global south nations:
1. Country based Aadhar & JDAM
2. Country based NMDC type and MUDRA
3. Country based digihealth
4. Country based digiyatra
5. Country based Bharat stack implementation
And make all the country based deployments integrate seamlessly for easy movement of people, money, logistics etc..
I think all these being done already.
>>>
Our proposal in 2035 to the world should be the baton moves from US to India (a democracy and capitalist and most populous and most importantly non-Abrahamic civilization) instead of China.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 28 Sep 2023 22:09
by ramana
Even though RamaY1 is banned he still reads BRF and resonates unlike many who are able to duck under the radar and do not contribute.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 29 Sep 2023 00:15
by Muppalla
bala wrote: ↑28 Sep 2023 07:05
1) What is she saying about Russia, China, and India
On the first video Madam Rice has not given anything new, at least from the US perspective. It is Rus bad, China bad and they ganged up against US in Ukr. The US thinks their forces are better than the Rus, just ask Scott Ritter and McGreagor about the will to fight and supplies in the US and you get a different answer. She also dismisses those who surround Putin as drunks, idiots and so on. She thinks Ukr people/language are different from Rus. This is a huge mistake considering she speaks Russian. The Ukr population is ethnically Rus on one side and Polish on the other. The in-between conversion relies on Russian. The Ukr think, breath, act along russian cultural lines, these habits are ingrained for centuries.
She thinks China is a rising power and not clear whether it is both economic / military. She briefly mentioned the spat with India that the chinese had. She clearly mentioned that Emperor is a disaster as far as foreign policy goes. No mention of US mollycoddling the chinese, Clinton gifting WTO and rocket secrets to the Chinese, Bush era presided over a China rise that effectively screwed the US (remember CDS). She mentioned 1 child policy and zero covid both of them asinine/disaster for the Chinese. Nothing as far as the US wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
A rather disappointing lecture with nothing new to add. Condi Rice however gets credit for the 123 nuclear deal that Bush signed with India.
On the face of it looks same but there are few firsts:
(1) Acknowledgement of Russia and China as disruptors
(2) US (both sides of aisle) never ever defined great empires. Though she said bad things, she first acknowledged with definitions of great empires in the context of TSar and Chinese dynasty and wolf warrior model.
(3) Acknowledged that globalization is dead.
(4) She outlined the mistakes of great empires. Blatant occupation of Ukraine and Chinese stupid clubs based fight in Galwan.
Also if we dig deep the US establishment used to be one though it has two political parties. But off late the deep state itself is divided. She belongs to that old deep state and her voice has to be see from that perspective. If there was no disruption and no divisions in the establishment even the above acknowledgements would not have happened.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 29 Sep 2023 01:54
by Muppalla
This is like a quasi reply to Dr.Condi Rice two parts.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 29 Sep 2023 02:30
by bala
Muppala wrote:the deep state itself is divided. She belongs to that old deep state
I know tis China thread. However the Deep State needs to be fully understood. The Deep state in its former avatar controlled "Colonialism worldwide". They formed initially in Germany and spread their wings into Britain, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and France. The BritShitRaj was orchestrated by these Banksters (actual deep state owners) and the deep state made Britain their worldwide headquarters. Their single motive is to control worldwide money supply and worldwide resources. Most of the wars, chaos, illegal activities (slave trade, women trade, drugs, you name it) were controlled by them. The deep state really knows no boundarys (in terms of geographical, political, ethical, laws). They are an entity unto themselves and they make things bend their way. A branch of the deep state penetrated Russia and China. The deep state has fangs in India too. The US has become the inheritors of the BritshitRaj legacy and the deep state primary actors moved into the US. Their aims are the same - usurp wealth from nations, create chaos all around, run all kinds of illegal activities under the radar.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 29 Sep 2023 03:33
by ramana
2) What areas she does not mention?
What strikes you is what she does not mention.
For example, she discusses Ukraine and Russia without mentioning the EU. In her calculus, the EU does not matter in this death match. Yet they make daily headlines. She is right as the EU has been unable to secure their own future!
Second, while talking about China she does not mention Japan which was a big deal during the 1980s, nor South Korea or Australia. The last is an alliance partner in AUKUS, ANZUS, and QUAD!
And she barely mentions India.
What strikes me is even the US was never a real great power as Paul Kennedy writes. They could impose their will only on already disarmed nations like Iraq, Taliban Afghanistan, or Grenada. And the former two have managed to reverse it.
Maybe it's the nature of American power that causes this.
America is not an all-out imperial power like Rome or Great Britain.
While talking about authoritarian mode etc., America is authoritarian in its foreign policy as it is the domain of the President only.
Senate and advise and provide funds or not.
So they had a consensus on foreign policy.
Now that consensus is being disrupted by the neo-imperialists who started forming in the late 1890s.
Earlier the Americans believed in manifest destiny and spread out all over the North American Continent.
Took territory from the British and Mexico and bought land from France and Russia.
And they were content to be themselves.
After WWII the "let us remake the world in our mold" bug bit the foreign policy state. and once FSU collapsed this segment started dominating.
Condoleezza Rice talks about the CEO state and the NS state. I submit there is a third state which I call the Welfare State that wants to export the American model abroad whether it works or not like a cookie cutter.
This group works on exporting democracy and sees the world through that lens.
So the dichotomy is a democratic state uses an authoritarian model abroad to impose democracy!
More later...
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 29 Sep 2023 05:25
by KL Dubey
These ideas are outdated and the US establishment appears intellectually and ideologically exhausted. Unsustainability is a limitation of an opportunistic power, and there is nothing much they can do about it.
As Jaishankar spoke clearly just yesterday in UNGA, Bharat's "rise" (or return, to be more precise) will be different from all others that preceded. Bharat has been - and will be - the permanent power/bedrock of the human race. Rather than having to impose will, the rest of the world will willingly adopt our values without being coerced/brainwashed/converted/tricked/bribed. USA has never managed to achieve that.
That is not to say Bharat has no challenges/barriers to its return. More than the resistance from external forces, Bharat's biggest challenge/task is to educate and inspire its own people about their own civilization.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 29 Sep 2023 06:34
by bala
KL Dubey wrote:Bharat's biggest challenge/task is to educate and inspire its own people about their own civilization.
You nailed it! I have studied in the premium institutes in India and the US and one of the biggest education at least for me is from my own Nation - India. The amount of concepts, ideas, sheer breath of knowledge in various domains would overwhelm a serious scholar of Indian Knowledge system. You know there is a saying that if you were to just understand the Vedas, then that would amount to a handful of dirt from the mountain of knowledge extant in the Universe. But the Vedas are enormous and one can hope to perhaps understand a small portion of it in a lifetime.
All the western systems that I learned thus far I have gained nothing of value nor any great learning. It turns out that many ideas were pilfered from India and it turns out that all the greats of western system like Newton, Einstein, etc are borrowed ideas from India. The Greeks borrowed everything from India. Not saying everything is borrowed from India but a large substantial portion, many things of value have been a straight copy.
If the current generation of Indians spent time digging up their past Sanskrit tomes or just learnt sanskrit as a prime language then major progress can be made. Effectively, India needs to acquire its past knowledge base, and building upon such a base one can trail blaze a new path which is very unique to the world. That is the leadership Bharat requires.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 29 Sep 2023 08:55
by NRao
chetak wrote: ↑23 Sep 2023 01:15Taiwan's Ministry of Defense just published a handy guide to US military bases in the region circa 2023.
................................
Where are the USN submarines?
And, equally important, RU submarines.
Pretty much anything on the surface - on both sides - would be irrelevant.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 29 Sep 2023 09:20
by yensoy
DavidD wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 14:55
What nonsense is that? China's urbanization rate stands at ~65%, and the tertiary education enrollment rate is ~60%. The issue in China right now isn't that there are too few qualified workers, it's that there are too many. Considering even Japan's tertiary education enrollment rate is only ~65%, China is producing too many college grads for its stage of economic development currently. Worse yet, Chinese youth are too used to the old ways of college grad = cushy white collar job in a big city that they're not willing to become baristas or waiters like many Westerners or move to smaller cities or god forbid rural areas to look for jobs.
Tertiary education without being trained for critical thinking and expression is pretty much useless. Better to go to trade school. Indian colleges aren't far better when it comes to teaching (on an average) but at least there is a tradition of free thinking and expression which makes a difference.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
DavidD wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 14:55
What nonsense is that? China's urbanization rate stands at ~65%, and the tertiary education enrollment rate is ~60%. The issue in China right now isn't that there are too few qualified workers, it's that there are too many. Considering even Japan's tertiary education enrollment rate is only ~65%, China is producing too many college grads for its stage of economic development currently. Worse yet, Chinese youth are too used to the old ways of college grad = cushy white collar job in a big city that they're not willing to become baristas or waiters like many Westerners or move to smaller cities or god forbid rural areas to look for jobs.
David I am so glad you believe in CCP published & shangied Statistics ...
Yes, I have a Massive 2000 Sq Feet Condo for Free to give to you -- Unfortunately it's OWNED by EVEREST GRANDE real-estate corporation, part owned by Country Garden as well ..
Reminds me of my Grad Student days ..
Every Chinese Grad Student had Scored 100 % on their TOEFL exam ....
They were appointed as TA's in University & NONE of them could "put together" a proper sentence in English, explaining to Undergrad's who were paying $600 per credit in 1990.
Guess what -- Nothing EVER changed --> in 2017- 2022 -- still had Chinese TA's in Kids Universities -- had GREAT TOEFL scores - same ole story ...
Dept Secretaries who used be shell shocked - could / would not say anything in fear of being PC.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 30 Sep 2023 20:27
by bala
In Changing India China equations, there are enough indicators that China is recalibrating its thinking on India. Since 62, china has faced defeat with India whenever it tried to clash, many times receiving a sound thrashing at the hands of Indian soldiers. India's increased stature in the world is another headache that CCCP cannot digest. China's own problems internally are a grave threat to its continued existence. The transition of manufacturing from China to India is huge economic dagger thrust upon China by the West. Falling exports, falling employment, overcapacity in almost every area, empty highrise buildings, real estate value crashing, single child youth becoming increasing disillusioned with prospects in china are all alarming the chinese. Where this script will lead is anyone's guess, meteoric rises often end with meteoric crashes.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 03 Oct 2023 23:01
by NRao
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 05 Oct 2023 10:09
by ramana
Condi Rice says that two types of states drive US policy: The CEO state i.e business interests and the NS state which is driven by national security
I think she didn't mention the Welfare State i.e. exporting democracy state which drives the State Dept to do regime change willy-nilly.
This Welfare state is what gives a bad name to the US.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 06 Oct 2023 05:54
by sanman
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 06 Oct 2023 11:14
by SSridhar
ramana wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023 10:09I think she didn't mention the Welfare State i.e. exporting democracy state which drives the State Dept to do regime change willy-nilly.
This Welfare state is what gives a bad name to the US.
So very true, ramana. Totally agree.
The Welfare State has sub-states like suitably-masked evangelism, human-rightsism etc. Condi Rice must have subsumed the Welfare State under NS.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 06 Oct 2023 12:48
by sanman
ramana wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023 10:09
Condi Rice says that two types of states drive US policy: The CEO state i.e business interests and the NS state which is driven by national security
I think she didn't mention the Welfare State i.e. exporting democracy state which drives the State Dept to do regime change willy-nilly.
This Welfare state is what gives a bad name to the US.
The 3rd one is a combination of the first two
Remember the Chiquita Banana Company?
That's literally where the phrase "Banana Republic" came from
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 07 Oct 2023 06:04
by sanman
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 07 Oct 2023 08:56
by ramana
We now have a surplus of experts who do scaremongering on a routine basis on Youtube videos.
Not one has given a useful course of action.
Inid is not alarmed. Maybe the exfart is.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 07 Oct 2023 09:52
by sanman
ramana wrote: ↑07 Oct 2023 08:56
We now have a surplus of experts who do scaremongering on a routine basis on Youtube videos.
Not one has given a useful course of action.
Inid is not alarmed. Maybe the exfart is.
I think being alarmed is better than being apathetic and complacent. I don't see alarmed as a negative word here.
Vigilance is important.
Chinese missile-subs parked on the seafloor just off India's coastline is a nightmare we don't need.
We need to think of and discuss solutions to these threats.
I'm thinking maybe a fleet of underwater drones to seek out and destroy such subs hiding in our coastal waters.
Re: Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses
Posted: 07 Oct 2023 12:52
by chandrabhan
I have had some extended interactions with Chinese classmates in UK (2 of them are princelings). None of them want to return however, they don't say anything in presence of other Chinese. Chinese girls have this obsession to marry white guys, become legal residents asap. May be I will take one aspect of Chinese society (my observations) and continue to write one by one..
Education:
What I find surprising is that the whole lot of Chinese students who barely can speak or form a sentence score very high on take away assignments barely contribute anything in the join assignments done in university. One drunk friend (Chinese-Taiwanese) from LSE mentioned that there is an elaborate system of cheating devised by the Chinese state. 1-2 students keep their laptop with an App open during class and no it is not only the language translator but students are actively helped on assignments and papers by companies.
Some kids are no doubt smart. 1 of my classmate used to come in a Ferrari and 1 colleague in US also used to come in RR. They are obsessed with brands (European and American mostly).
CCP is actively encouraging Chinese to marry a caucasian in these elite universities. These spouses join policy making or banks and as they rise their kids are given families and scholarships. They are playing the long game. Koreans (specially Samsung) is encouraging their young managers posted in Europe to marry local girls (they get additional pays to support). They are brought back to Korea after 7/8 year sting with their white spouses (wives). Go back to the same country in another 5/6 years with local passports and now with kids and all they make policies - Germany/Australia/France/US..
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