Levant crisis - III

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 03 Dec 2016 17:23

UlanBatori wrote:
TSJones wrote:
that's because Mosul is a far tougher battle. the Iraqi government is not fighting guys wearing white helmets or clown suites like Assad is doing in Aleppo.
Ah! That explains it, thanks! Plus of course Mosul simply does not have its ground area covered with pediatric hospitals and kitten shelters.
IOW, it IS incompetence, no other excuse. Except maybe the "air superiority" is in providing accurate target info to BO's friends the Saudis/ISIS. "ISIS drones" - how the heck do those survive more than 2 minutes in the air if the USAF is allowed to do their job properly?

I guess those people in Aleppo wearing green medical scrubs are stone cold killers.....on the golf course......

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2016 18:06

The generals running the Mosul offensive would know: They seem to be either at the golf course or out to lunch. On Roman wine, sweetened with lead.
I should have known. BO's strategy has not changed. When the ISIS was unable to massacre Iraqi soldiers sleeping in their barracks etc as they did in Ramadi, the US persuaded the Iraqis to go charging into Mosul, where they came within range of the ISIS Air Force and the VBIEDs again. 2000 dead, vs. only about 300 massacred at Ramadi. Effective, I mean in stabbing them in the back.

Before their entire army is sent through the meat-grinder, the Iraqis need to wake up, order the US/NATO planes out of Iraqi airspace and bring in the Rodina Air Force. Sad to see this.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2016 18:18

And it gets better (for the Saudis/Turkey/ISIS/Clinton/Obama):
1600 Peshmerga soldiers killed in Mosul.

Hikmat added that nearly 10,000 members of the Peshmerga were wounded

This is plainly a genocidal trap.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2016 18:35

Meanwhile, Kitten-Shelter-bomber-supporter Peto Lucem reports why Putin is talking to Erdogan: Erdogan has been begging for a deal where the East Aleppo terrorists may be allowed to live, if they stop fighting.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 03 Dec 2016 19:07

UlanBatori wrote:The generals running the Mosul offensive would know: They seem to be either at the golf course or out to lunch. On Roman wine, sweetened with lead.
I should have known. BO's strategy has not changed. When the ISIS was unable to massacre Iraqi soldiers sleeping in their barracks etc as they did in Ramadi, the US persuaded the Iraqis to go charging into Mosul, where they came within range of the ISIS Air Force and the VBIEDs again. 2000 dead, vs. only about 300 massacred at Ramadi. Effective, I mean in stabbing them in the back.

Before their entire army is sent through the meat-grinder, the Iraqis need to wake up, order the US/NATO planes out of Iraqi airspace and bring in the Rodina Air Force. Sad to see this.

yeah send in the rodina. they'll teach them civilians a lesson they'll never forget.

russians and arabs are one tough bunch.....against civilians.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Dec 2016 20:05

As predicted they are launching multiple prongs from aleppo airport

watanisy ‏@watanisy
#SAA advancing beyond the Tell Sheikh Lutfi and cut militants supply route between east part of Sheikh Sa'eed district and Tell al Shertah

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Dec 2016 20:07

They are going after fateh haleb who are the more moderate rebels and more amenable to taking the exit

The zinki gangs they are leaving for last

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Dec 2016 20:36

Sorry to use dear TSJi as a diagnostic probe, but his reaction tells it all: Mosul operation has turned into an absolute disaster. I mean for the good guys.

Not though the soldier knew..
Someone had blundered.

A sickening Parting Betrayal by the BO-HiC gang.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Dec 2016 20:42

the peshmerga have been bled white for the land they have gained after the mosul thing started.

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The Peshmerga ministry spokesman Halgurd Hekmat revealed on Thursday that 1600 Peshmerga soldiers have been killed since the major offensive to regain the city of Mosul began on the 17th of October. Hikmat added that nearly 10,000 members of the Peshmerga were wounded in the fierce fighting that has been ongoing for the last six weeks in order to expel ISIS from Iraq’s second biggest city.

In addition to this, the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq said on Thursday that 2000 Iraqi soldiers had been killed in all parts of the country in November, and specifically in the battle to liberate Mosul from ISIS.

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the Syrian hezbollah combine use a different strategy I call "The Kompressor" in which they advance but then retreat quickly without much loss if counter attacked, then pound the area with artillery, then advance again...repeat N-loops .... this keeps their overall casualties lower than a grab and hold 1-loop plan. they have no choice as manpower is low and precious. they have to pick and choose their fights. the iranians also withdrew from El Eis and Khan Touman to aleppo outskirts without a toe to toe fight.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Dec 2016 20:46

both the iraqi and western media have clamped down on this sad news until today preferring to show Khan certified and equipped golden div/federal police pressing ahead....

the PMU the much maligned pariah dogs actually got the long straw and a easier time in the western sector ... tal afar is again going to be a bloodbath but again they are forbidden from entering the town. not much food or comforts in the desert but beats being in a daily urban meat grinder. the golden div ISOF after 2 months must be at the end of stamina with so many losses. Gen Al Saadi looks sleepless and haggard in latest photos.

his political bosses must be putting pressure and demanding daily progress and update to meet some upper management timeline.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 03 Dec 2016 23:45

Residents alarmed as Iraqi soldiers spray Shi'ite graffiti in Mosul
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... N13R298"We answer your call, O Hussein!"

The traditional battle cry of Shi'ite Muslims, expressing loyalty to the 7th century martyred hero of their sect, has been spraypainted across buildings in Mosul by soldiers as they push out the hardline Sunni fighters of Islamic State.

Troops and commanders say the slogan, sometimes sprayed over Islamic State's own graffiti, is meant to be an expression of victory for all Iraqis. But for many residents of the multi-ethnic but predominantly Sunni Muslim city, it is an explicitly sectarian taunt from the country's Shi'ite majority, signaling more violence to come.

"Look at this. The army should be neutral and not painting such things on walls," said Abdullah Shuwaib, a Sunni blacksmith who fled the fighting, pointing to a Shi'ite slogan painted next to a nearby grocery shop. "I'm not optimistic. Iraq won't improve after Daesh is gone."

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 03 Dec 2016 23:57

All roads linking Mosul to Raqqa are now under Shia control, the Shia militia groups PMU say

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 04 Dec 2016 00:40

I'm not sure anybody has told the perhmerga that they must invade into Mosul.

I'm not sure that they have been given the training and equipment to do so.

I'm not sure they have even bothered to ask for training in how to take a heavily defended city.

My impression is that these guys are a wild card bunch like the shia militias.

I think that the *fact* is there is *one* organization that has received US training and close coordination and that is the Iraqi sf/police brigades. especially on how to take cities.

and NOBODY is doing any cry baby wah-wah over their deaths and casualties, even though their casualties are considerable.

'nuff said.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 04 Dec 2016 05:15

Above reads like a cover-your-a$$ closing (defense) argument in the international criminal court...

And it gets better (for the Saudis/Turkey/ISIS/Clinton/Obama):
1600 Peshmerga soldiers killed in Mosul.
Hikmat added that nearly 10,000 members of the Peshmerga were wounded
This is plainly a genocidal trap.

The loss of human life and sheer magnitude is mind numbing. Most of this is blacked out in the western press/MSM, which is more interested in Trump's next irrelevant admin appointment or an irrelevant country's (read Italy) referendum.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 05:51

Pesh have not entered mosul but taken a large belt of towns and hamlets east and south east of mosul before the iraqi army moved through their lines and entered mosul proper

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 05:51

Armed rebel groups holding quarters in the Eastern part of Aleppo have shot down a Syrian Armed Forces aircraft killing the crew, according to the Lebanon-based Al-Mayadeen news channel.

Al Mayadeen reports that the incident took place not far from the Aleppo airport territory. The militants shot down the L-39 Albatros — two-seat single-engine trainer — which was produced by Czech Aero Vodochody company until 1996, the Baladi News portal reported. It is reported that the body of one of the pilots, Syrian Airforce colonel Jafar Hasan, has been found already. The search for the second pilot's body is currently underway.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2016 ... -aircraft/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 05:58

Its 60% now up from 40%
Al masdar

Led by the Tiger Forces and Republican Guard, the Syrian Arab Army stormed the Tariq Al-Bab, Karm al-Tarrab, and Al-Jazmati quarters of east Aleppo, striking the jihadist defenses from several axes, while the Syrian Arab Air Force (SAAYF) provided aerial support.

In a matter of hours, the Syrian Arab Army managed to break-through Fatah Halab'a defenses at Tariq Al-Bab, resulting in a major advance across this important quarter.

Following their advance in Tariq Al-Bab, the Syrian Arab Army seized several neighborhoods inside of the Karm Al-Tarrab and Al-Jazmati, forcing Fatah Halab and Jaysh Al-Fateh to frantically retreat from these quarters.

As a result of today's advances, the Syrian Arab Army is now in control of more than 60 percent of the east Aleppo pocket, leaving the jihadist rebels in a poor position around the remaining districts

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 06:01

The times

EU offers cash to Assad regime for Syria peace deal

The EU is offering financial support for a Syria still ruled by President Assad in a last-ditch effort to retain western influence on the outcome of the war, The Times has been told. As the battle...

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 04 Dec 2016 06:04

Singha wrote:Pesh have not entered mosul but taken a large belt of towns and hamlets east and south east of mosul before the iraqi army moved through their lines and entered mosul proper

then the pesh have done their job. they paid the price that was required and helped secure their province nearby.

what was the alternative. bomb all those villages and civilians to pieces?

the iraqi government is not Assad.

they are attempting to build a federal republic and the price is steep.

enough of the sob sisters I would say.

freedom is precious.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 06:04

Iirc This is the cia sponsored unit given most of the Tow missiles. They had a fallout recently and were in doghouse but still retain most of the atgms must have hidden them after their leader was jailed...now desperately needed so a quick pardon

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha
Aleppo rebel court has released Fastaeqm's leader Abo Qutaybah for lack of evidence against him & out of military necessity

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 06:08

I personally doubt the peshmerga kia and injury figures. A lot of western reporters embedded with them during their move fwd and ignored the iraqi army and pmu except gold brigade as pesh are media friendly and khan certified

No evidence seen of the heavy fighting to kill and wound so many.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 06:11

Both pmu with kornet and pesh with milan are good at defeating vbied attacks. Pesh are trained by nato instructors on this as are their sniper teams

Isis has very little to no heavy arty

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 04 Dec 2016 06:15

TSJones wrote:I guess those people in Aleppo wearing green medical scrubs are stone cold killers.....on the golf course......

STFU w/your transparent and hypocritical trolling. Why is that with all their precision weaponry and surveillance US air power always ends up inflicting about as much "collateral damage" as the Russians? I think the answer is US planners for all their BS don't actually care very much.

Besides all this western outrage is so obviously fake as none of it is ever directed at Saudi Arabia who uses their PGM's to deliberately bomb wedding parties, something I've yet to see even the Syrians do.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Dec 2016 09:54

Singha wrote:The times

EU offers cash to Assad regime for Syria peace deal

The EU is offering financial support for a Syria still ruled by President Assad in a last-ditch effort to retain western influence on the outcome of the war, The Times has been told. As the battle...

I doubt and if there is such deal we have to look at finer points , more likely they EU will offer cash for Assad to quit in fixed time

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 11:20

He already has enough money and nowhere to go . He wont quit for a bribe...i am sure bribes were offered in past. They even tried to wean asma assad off him promising asylum.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 14:32

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 14:33

if that runway is some 4km long being a international airport, they have pushed east by some 1-2km

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 14:36

Haidar Sumeri ‏@IraqiSecurity 6h6 hours ago
Rumours swirling around that Da'ish leadership is looking to topple Al-Baghdadi and announce a new "caliph". I hope infighting is imminent.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 14:37

seasoned looking pmu kornet operator on overwatch at a hill nails a vbied from very long range

https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/statu ... 6488895490

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 14:40

another one https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/statu ... 2678785025

looks like they see a dozen a day

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 14:41

Haidar Sumeri
‏@IraqiSecurity
To clarify: area in red still under Da'ish. Nearest Iraqi forces to it are in Haditha. Area in green cut by #Iraq's forces during #MosulOp.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 14:43

elderly hashd fighter who could be a veteran of the iran-iraq war ... still willing to fight

https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/statu ... 8033099776

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 14:48

mashallah another vbied taken out near tal afar

https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/statu ... 4776131584

Haidar Sumeri
‏@IraqiSecurity
Great news from western #Iraq. Ops to liberate Anah, Rawah and Al-Qa'im might start soon as tribal fighters have concluded their prep.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 04 Dec 2016 14:53

Stories of 2000+1600 Iraqi and Kurds killed seem false. There is no indication of such super heavy fighting. Iraqi's are still primarily maneuvering to isolate, cut off and surround Daesh in Mosul while making light thrusts in defended areas. 400O killed means around 20,000-40,000 casualties, which seems improbable even with loads of VBIEDs.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 16:03

yes the Iraqi MOD has called it BS and asked the UN to stop releasing ISIS propaganda via their "open src news analysis"

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 16:04

some of the seasoned looking types operating with the PMU could be embedded iraqi or irani army technical cadre like the kornet men. it takes a steady nerve to face down death approaching directly and guide missile on target...its not a F&F weapon like javelin or hellfire and needs laser guidance.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 20:33

they are 2km away from the citadel. Al-Miysar looks like a wreck in photos.

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 2h2 hours ago
Syrian Army takes control of al-Miysar, Jowret Awad & Dahret Awad neighbourhoods as well as a number of buildings in al-Qaterrji & al-Sha'ar

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 37m37 minutes ago
Clashes ongoing in al-Qaterji, roundabout and eye hospital have not been captured yet

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 20:33

The 'Nimr' Tiger ‏@Souria4Syrians 7m7 minutes ago
US-backed "rebels" announce new offensive to break siege on East #Aleppo

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 20:35

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Dec 2016 20:36

Ali ‏@Syrianali_ 5h5 hours ago
JFS attack jaish al-islam and faylaq al-rahman HQs in aleppo and steal everything inside of them