Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV
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Dilbu-ji,Dilbu wrote:After reading this article I am now actually more worried about Biden replacing Trump's policies.
Joe Biden "Unlikely To Replace" Trump's Indo-Pacific Strategy Vs China
Manny wrote:I from India voted for Trump yesterday! I voted down the list marked as REP. and one local city council man who had an Indian name "Sandeep...something". Got to support the desi...especially if you don't know him.
I had to go vote to counter a silly white woman who forced her dying father who was in his deathbed....He was a life long republican and she harassed him to vote for Biden and then posted on Tik tok what she did. I had to nullify her evil action.
It could also mean that India will make a play for GB with US blessings, and thereafter troops on the ground and alliance with Afghanistan is not out of the question. I think we'll know by next Spring...chetak wrote:after hearing doval say that we will fight on foreign lands, one hopes that we have not committed to boots on the ground in aid of the amerikis anywhere, especially not in afghanistan..
GB is our land.Cain Marko wrote:It could also mean that India will make a play for GB with US blessings, and thereafter troops on the ground and alliance with Afghanistan is not out of the question. I think we'll know by next Spring...chetak wrote:after hearing doval say that we will fight on foreign lands, one hopes that we have not committed to boots on the ground in aid of the amerikis anywhere, especially not in afghanistan..
Just saying so don't make it so. Actions are needed from GOI. In any case, that's not the point. Point is that GB could very well be the launch pad into Afghanistan.chetak wrote:GB is our land.Cain Marko wrote: It could also mean that India will make a play for GB with US blessings, and thereafter troops on the ground and alliance with Afghanistan is not out of the question. I think we'll know by next Spring...
I meant fighting in GB is not fighting on "foreign" land.Cain Marko wrote:Just saying so don't make it so. Actions are needed from GOI. In any case, that's not the point. Point is that GB could very well be the launch pad into Afghanistan.chetak wrote:
GB is our land.
And why not? Duval's speech is in the right direction. If Indian soldiers could fight in places like Flanders for a foreign nation, why the hell not in it's own backyard, for it's own sake?
Chetakji, I think India will have to, sooner or later, step up it's military footprint. And afpak will be where it happens. It's the only way to let the rest of India be in peace. That's where the real border is.chetak wrote:I meant fighting in GB is not fighting on "foreign" land.Cain Marko wrote: Just saying so don't make it so. Actions are needed from GOI. In any case, that's not the point. Point is that GB could very well be the launch pad into Afghanistan.
And why not? Duval's speech is in the right direction. If Indian soldiers could fight in places like Flanders for a foreign nation, why the hell not in it's own backyard, for it's own sake?
Doval does not mean GB.
I suspect that it more of a warning to xi about bhutan
It wasn't the IA that fought in flanders.
It was The British Indian Army that fought there, among other places and fronts and it was the main military of the British Indian Empire before its decommissioning in 1947.
Cain Marko ji,Cain Marko wrote:Chetakji, I think India will have to, sooner or later, step up it's military footprint. And afpak will be where it happens. It's the only way to let the rest of India be in peace. That's where the real border is.chetak wrote:
I meant fighting in GB is not fighting on "foreign" land.
Doval does not mean GB.
I suspect that it more of a warning to xi about bhutan
It wasn't the IA that fought in flanders.
It was The British Indian Army that fought there, among other places and fronts and it was the main military of the British Indian Empire before its decommissioning in 1947.
THis is a good point. If Afg is logistically difficult, how do they plan to get boots into Baluchistan I wonder...Prem wrote:Doval ji meant Baluchistan , this is why short stopovers were made in Iran by FM, DM to assure them of our move not against them.
Madhujimadhu wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08QuWqQHT10&t=1675s
Abhijeet Iyer at Sanjay Dixit's Jaipur Dialogues program states at 28 mins of the show that joe Biden is planning to bring equal representation policy to education system in America which is an American version of reservation. According to him this will make Indian's loose the opportunity to get into collages and jobs. can anyone please conform me this news. if true a link would be better.
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what juridisction does a district court in seattle has over a contract between 2 companies in India?After Antrix had cancelled the satellite deal in 2011,
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Who would have thought that we would see a time when Bihar and US would be voting together and there would be much more chance of election results being accepted in a peaceful manner in Bihar than in the US.....#BiharElection2020 #USElections2020
First, I am hoping Atlanta run-off senate election will give Republicans control of senate (52-48)RajeshA wrote:Crossposted from Elections Thread
Even though USA under Biden-Kamala may continue Quad with India, there will be some irritants cropping up, which had almost disappeared in Trump's Presidency.
a) More vocal support to any criticism of India by USCIRF
b) Dravidianism, both conversion and separatism will get a new fillip
c) There will most likely be more riots and Shaheen Baghs in India, with USA always "talking down" to India for being against minorities and the culprit
d) Kashmir will again be in focus. There will be more cross-border terrorism from Pakistan and more stone-throwing, and US will show "concern" for lack of protection for "human rights" there. Basically back to the old script.
e) FCRA controls will be criticized more.
You get the picture.
Also, it could be that USA interferes (somehow) in WB elections. It could be through fomenting riots and criticizing Modi for it, for trying to polarize, etc.
For the next four years Biden-Harris will do everything to make Modi more unpopular in the world and in India. 2024 Elections in India are the target.
one would expect covert but gross interference both in WB and TN elections.RajeshA wrote:Crossposted from Elections Thread
Even though USA under Biden-Kamala may continue Quad with India, there will be some irritants cropping up, which had almost disappeared in Trump's Presidency.
a) More vocal support to any criticism of India by USCIRF
b) Dravidianism, both conversion and separatism will get a new fillip
c) There will most likely be more riots and Shaheen Baghs in India, with USA always "talking down" to India for being against minorities and the culprit
d) Kashmir will again be in focus. There will be more cross-border terrorism from Pakistan and more stone-throwing, and US will show "concern" for lack of protection for "human rights" there. Basically back to the old script.
e) FCRA controls will be criticized more.
You get the picture.
Also, it could be that USA interferes (somehow) in WB elections. It could be through fomenting riots and criticizing Modi for it, for trying to polarize, etc.
For the next four years Biden-Harris will do everything to make Modi more unpopular in the world and in India. 2024 Elections in India are the target.
Naah. I expect MAD to keep things tight when it comes to real interference. Occasional pointification notwithstanding, aint 'much they will do. Esp. if India buys some more US hardware, and along with it, the silence of GOTUS/POTUS. This is not to say that the Squad won't squawk but officially, nothing will change.chetak wrote:one would expect covert but gross interference both in WB and TN elections.RajeshA wrote:Crossposted from Elections Thread
Even though USA under Biden-Kamala may continue Quad with India, there will be some irritants cropping up, which had almost disappeared in Trump's Presidency.
a) More vocal support to any criticism of India by USCIRF
b) Dravidianism, both conversion and separatism will get a new fillip
c) There will most likely be more riots and Shaheen Baghs in India, with USA always "talking down" to India for being against minorities and the culprit
d) Kashmir will again be in focus. There will be more cross-border terrorism from Pakistan and more stone-throwing, and US will show "concern" for lack of protection for "human rights" there. Basically back to the old script.
e) FCRA controls will be criticized more.
You get the picture.
Also, it could be that USA interferes (somehow) in WB elections. It could be through fomenting riots and criticizing Modi for it, for trying to polarize, etc.
For the next four years Biden-Harris will do everything to make Modi more unpopular in the world and in India. 2024 Elections in India are the target.
both these states were of particular interest to the cash clintons, especially hillary.
Hindutwa will take a major hit and max resources will be physically deployed by ameriki interests to demean this aspect.
missionary visas issued by India will see a huge upturn due to relentless conversion lobby pressures.
cashmere will be back on the front burners again
Excellent post. From what is being reported, Biden administration will restore relationship with traditional western European allies to coordinate how to manage China. In Asia, the emphasis will be bring back the TPP to undercut China's cheap goods from SE Asian countries including textiles from BD, but the Chinese will infiltrate and subvert whichever smaller Asian country it can. Ultimately, the Biden administration wants the US, Europe and China to manage the world. This is the goal.RajeshA wrote:Crossposted from Elections Thread
Even though USA under Biden-Kamala may continue Quad with India, there will be some irritants cropping up, which had almost disappeared in Trump's Presidency.
a) More vocal support to any criticism of India by USCIRF
b) Dravidianism, both conversion and separatism will get a new fillip
c) There will most likely be more riots and Shaheen Baghs in India, with USA always "talking down" to India for being against minorities and the culprit
d) Kashmir will again be in focus. There will be more cross-border terrorism from Pakistan and more stone-throwing, and US will show "concern" for lack of protection for "human rights" there. Basically back to the old script.
e) FCRA controls will be criticized more.
You get the picture.
Also, it could be that USA interferes (somehow) in WB elections. It could be through fomenting riots and criticizing Modi for it, for trying to polarize, etc.
For the next four years Biden-Harris will do everything to make Modi more unpopular in the world and in India. 2024 Elections in India are the target.
Excellent post!Vivek K wrote:I think that Indians need to stop looking for handouts. India is not Pakistan. India has the beginnings of an industrial base. If India and Indians believe in their ability to be a major power, they will get there and without handouts and criminal expenditures on imports. India needs to incentivize domestic industrial growth.
One:If India means business then discard the socialist policies built-in to its society. Stop giving farm loan waivers while at the same time stuffing industrialists into jail. The treatment of HAL by IAF is a poster child of all that is wrong with Indians Build a modern police and traffic management system - stop auctioning police stations to the highest bidders.
Two: Get serious with Pakistan instead of huffing and puffing to impress voters and stop wasting money on military expenditure. All this talk about being a responsible nuclear power is BS. Which of the powers has exercised a responsible nuclear policy? If you're not a problem, then you're never a part of the solution. Pakistan has always been the problem and that is why is always part of a solution. So India needs to stop licking its ----- and execute a visionary foreign policy dedicated to accomplishing India's desired geopolitical position in 20 years.
Three: Build the Indian MIC and stop ALL imports. Necessity is the mother of invention - this is not a phrase used only to write essays but a fact of life. Exercise it. Throwing money on someone else's industry like the Rafale gets you unemployment and economic productivity loss.
That seems like a bit of a contradiction in terms?Vivek K wrote:One:If India means business then discard the socialist policies built-in to its society.
Three: Build the Indian MIC and stop ALL imports.
Where's the contradiction. Promoting indigenisation != "Socialist" policies.Cain Marko wrote:That seems like a bit of a contradiction in terms?Vivek K wrote:One:If India means business then discard the socialist policies built-in to its society.
Three: Build the Indian MIC and stop ALL imports.
This is not about stopping imports of components. A weapon system is designed for mission requirements specific for India’s strategic goals. Importing entire weapon systems is not needed when there are suitable alternatives within India. The Tejas, Arjun, Dhanush, LCH, and others. Yes they may have 70% imported components, but the design, integration, deployment and logistics creates a huge technical and operational knowledge base within India. On top of that you have employment and a very skilled industrial technical base that compounds in value over time.Cain Marko wrote:Promoting indigenization is fine. Banning ALL imports sounds like an iron curtain. In a global economy, how exactly do you do this? Everything from the tejas to the alh uses imported components, no?
No problem with what you are saying and I daresay, nobody on the forum will have a problem with building local mic, but all imports cannot be stopped. It is neither necessary, nor truly possibleMort Walker wrote:This is not about stopping imports of components. A weapon system is designed for mission requirements specific for India’s strategic goals. Importing entire weapon systems is not needed when there are suitable alternatives within India. The Tejas, Arjun, Dhanush, LCH, and others. Yes they may have 70% imported components, but the design, integration, deployment and logistics creates a huge technical and operational knowledge base within India. On top of that you have employment and a very skilled industrial technical base that compounds in value over time.Cain Marko wrote:Promoting indigenization is fine. Banning ALL imports sounds like an iron curtain. In a global economy, how exactly do you do this? Everything from the tejas to the alh uses imported components, no?